Sceners Threaten to Destroy BitTorrent, “One Step at a Time”
Written by enigmax on January 07, 2008SuperTorrents recently fell victim to an attack by alleged ‘Scene’ members who revealed the site owner’s identity. Further action was promised against torrent sites and today another tracker admin’s life has been turned upside down. The attacker’s message: “Destroying The P2P’s, One Step at a Time”
At the end of last year we reported on the unfortunate fate of Ersan, the administrator of SuperTorrents. He suffered multiple security breaches which revealed his identity along with the loss of $2000 in donations. Scene notices (text files carrying news/other info) carried lots of the gory details, with one ending in a threat: “cellkill is next”.
It seems that the administrator of a torrent site known as FTN has become the group’s latest BitTorrent victim, exactly as promised. In yet another notice with the header “Destroying The P2Ps, One Step at a Time”, part of the justification for the attack reads:
“Many have heard of him, but have never spoke to him, for a p2per word of him has come far as the scene. [real name removed], the owner of a torrent site known as FTN. His Torrent site steals thousands after thousands of releases from the scene, and then he has the nerve to go and say to other P2P’s STOP STEALING RELEASES FROM US?!??!? ILL BAN YO ASS! But wait, how is this even possible??
[real name removed] isn’t on the “Staff” page yet he’s still banning people, posting news and running the entire site. Mr. [removed], did you really think you were gonna leave without us giving you a goodbye present? Guess again ;-)”
The grim reality becomes clear as detail after detail of this admin’s personal life is revealed. His real name, date of birth, place of residence, personal email addresses, home ISP and IP address, places of education, friends, family - it’s quite a grim read. The claim that the admin is currently studying ‘Computer Security’ must pile on the embarrassment in spades. Family and friends who have also had their identities revealed can’t be too pleased that their FaceBook profiles are now public information.
Does this action against FTN signal the end of this ‘war’ on BitTorrent or will the MPAA and RIAA be rubbing their hands with delight on a regular basis? At least one other admin has been threatened for helping the admin of SuperTorrents after the original attack but there aren’t any more specifics at the moment.
The attackers left with this message: “We have yet again erased another torrent admin from existence. Other Groups, do your part to make the scene what it was in the beginning. Secure.”
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270 Responses
They “erased another torrent admin from existence” by…revealing his personal information? Hmm.
Cowards.
3rd post yay!!
I seriously think these ‘hackers’ are like 10 years old..
get a life you fucks. nobody gives a shit, go cry to mommy and suck your daddys dong.
Pretty much all the info they gathered could and probably would be on some social networking site anyways and getting the ISP/IP is very easy.
It would be a great laugh if some super hacker could get them.
Also I’m with Anon I don’t know how this stops the site forever or kills off the admin =/
“cellkill” is the group that released the information, please learn how to read the name of scene releases… the administrator they are talking about has tried to get himself leave for a while because he needs the time, nothing strange about it.
I think the point is that if his information is posted on the net it makes it easier for the MPAA and RIAA to build a case as there is little recon to be done.
If his private information is out there for everyone then he will no longer want to admin a site that could get him in allot of trouble.
Administrators go to great lengths to protect their privacy.
Yup ‘I think’ is correct.
The thing is that I do not get why they are doing this. Do they want to stop P2P as the title says? Or as said later in the post, do they want to take down the people that make P2P look like a joke or something?
If that is the case then I dont mind. Yet, if they want to stop P2P just for the hell of it then that is not cool at all. I will wait for some more extra info on this.
How the fuck is the leaks from the scene an security issue? Lets strike back and reveal the scenes identity, name, birth and credit card numbers :D
It’s interesting to see how much the majors and the scene have in common.
Maybe they should venture together…
This is an interesting P2P sandwich, we’ve got the MPAA/RIAA pushing from the top and the hacker anarchists pushing from the bottom. Who knew the scene could get this complex and dramatic.
I wonder if it’s the pirates that actually sell content for money who are really behind these “outings”.
P2P destroyed the market for copied movies and albums for the REAL pirates.
Those are the individuals that have bad feelings about p2p.
“Other Groups, do your part to make the scene what it was in the beginning. Secure.” is really funny reading. They blame the administrators of some p2p sites for the scene to be unsecure. But anyone reasonable understand that if the scene is unsecure, it’s because of all the wannabe teens. 99% security breeches are human, the scene can blame it self.
Anyways, the scene network has gone quite public nowadays (read: they are a bunch of wannabes that like to expose themselves). There are other hc network that exist peacefully in the shadow of the scene…
… “they” want to make the scene as it was before, secure?
It’s not the fault of the admins, that the bittorrent protocol isn’t secure, wanne go underground?
instead of hacking you could just help in improving security i.e. by writing a superior tracker script or thinking about a ways to make the protocol anonymous … you d*mba*s
“With friends like these…”
It’s hilarious that these idiots are accusing the torrent site operators as “stealing” from Teh Scene — Cellkill are proving themselves to be cowardly wankers!
I guess they’ll find friends in the RIAA?
Half of the people posting don’t understand what’s going on. Or maybe they don’t know what the scene is.. Heres a hint, scene =/= P2P.
Well what happens next?
Well, at least the last big busts in the german “scene” were done by the GVU, using rats inside the scene. So I bet even if BT or p2p as a whole would disappear, the scene will still be targeted and single groups busted on a regular basis.
Catch me if you can.
[quote comment="257310"]I seriously think these ‘hackers’ are like 10 years old..
get a life you fucks. nobody gives a shit, go cry to mommy and suck your daddys dong.[/quote]
word!
Brandon leaved P2P before this info was posted.
Those scene kids sure need to get a life.
FTN told users not to seed packs leeched at that site to other places, or face being banned.
It was a fucknut rule, I’m sorta glad this happened.
“The Scene” should be happy bittorrent and other file sharing exists. When was the last time you saw a private FTP group go down in a raid? How about some DC++ users? You don’t, the jerkoffs in the cocaine…errr I mean movie/music industry only go after public stuff, like TPB, Torrentspy, Demonoid, Limwire, etc…
Having this public outlet takes attention away from them, and they should STFU and be happy their butts aren’t in jail. Cuz if they get caught and it is found out that THEY are the REAL people responsible for illegal sharing of copyrighted content on the net and not some young mother or teenage boy in Iowa or somethig, they gonna get a LOOONG time in prison. Any some new boyfriends.
Unfortunate my ass, Ersan deserved that shit.
“It’s not the fault of the admins, that the bittorrent protocol isn’t secure, wanne go underground?
instead of hacking you could just help in improving security i.e. by writing a superior tracker script or thinking about a ways to make the protocol anonymous … you d*mba*s”
you can not have anonymity without centralization, as packets need to know where to go. the closest thing to the idea of anonymity is http://www.torproject.org/ but you can read about the weaknesses there, also
p2p IS NOT and CAN NOT BE anonymous simply due to the reason that packets need a destination :) you could have a server/s that acts as a centralized router and the only one knows where the packet needs to go, but you’d also have to trust people running the server AND RIAA and others could easily track them down
If I were the admins, I would have used passwords over 40 characters, that would make me the Secure Scene King.
I doubt this group even did any work on this one. It’s not the first time his info has been leaked, last time it was somebody who knew him personally who leaked it through wikipedia.
It’s also no secret that he’s studying. They probably got that top secret information from any of the forums posts or irc chats where his student status is mentioned.
Oh look at me daddy, I can read wikis and write nfos!
Further proof that ‘The Scene’ is just a breeding ground for attention whores.
good job guys,,, destorying each other
The scene would be a whole lot better off without P2P, since there would be much less pressure on authorities to crack down on the scene if the vast majority of people didn’t have easy access to the releases.
But the point is that no one is cracking down on the scene. All you here about is this BT site and that individual user get whupped on. As someone else said, “Teh Scene” should be grateful for all these sites taking the heat off them
P2P would be alot better off from the scene, giving them fame and potentionaly profits fom being known while getting nothing P2P could get by itself..
P2P dont need the scene, the scene needs P2P otherwice they wouldnt be known, and they DONT want to be unknown whatever you hear, their doing it for status, its a race and then you/your group have to be known. the more known the better status the better the race!
I think eventualy scene and P2P will be so intigrated it will just be one, scene already takes a ton of content from P2P, why fight it? just chill and let it keep evolving :)
i’m not really sure, if there weren’t any p2p-sites for them to go after there’d be more recources for them to get sceners…
i have never seen such a bored geeks fucks as you…get a life u bitch
ROFLLMFAO. More soaps.
THX scene , this is better then primetime. I think the scene will lose this one, but, it’s not even halftime yet. I love that they want to keep themselves hidden, but they put there stupid 3 letter name all over releases, and then cry when people figure them out. I grew up and stopped being so horney for cred, hopefully the scene will as well.
Sceners, how amazing they are. We get all of our files from them and yet we flame them when they are targeted due to our stupidity. I really do hope this motivates admins to step up security a few nothces as they’ve been slacking quite a bit lately.
So what ever happened to the motto of “We fight for the free exchange of data” or am I living in the past?
When filesharing becomes legal, the scene will have p2p to thank. For 20 years the sceners have been sharing files but have kept their doings hidden.
They have accomplished nothing. In just a couple of years however, p2p has created a revolution when it comes to copyright and filesharing.
The scene are just a bunch of attention-starved idiots who’s main drive is to be as “elite” as possible.
I wonder what would happen if all p2p users with direct access to the scene (aka uploaders)gave away all the info they knew to the feds. Guess the scene wouldn’t been so happy when their sensitive ftp info went public.
They think that isolating themselves will make them more secure, that’s just bullsh*t. They only thing they are after is being elite, nothing else.
[quote comment="257432"]Sceners, how amazing they are. We get all of our files from them and yet we flame them when they are targeted due to our stupidity. I really do hope this motivates admins to step up security a few nothces as they’ve been slacking quite a bit lately.[/quote]
they get more of theirs from us nowadays, they are stealing we a sharing, they want a locked up network amongst themselfes because their greedy and selfish, we share and give and mostly want open networks.
the scene is a bunch of greedy thugs trying to justify their stealing with personal use and claim others steal them to put it on internet.. most sceners have guys high up in the industries, is what they do justified then? P2Pers share with their friends, most of them buy the stuff themselves and then share it.
copyright is the criminal, not scene or P2P… fight copyright isntead of these useless baby wars..
If the scene really really wanted to, they could stop the spreading of rls’s by solving the following problem:
releases are usually (not always though, in the cases of grp’s spreading their stuff themselves) made available to p2p, like torrents etc, by the groups. What i mean by this is that they usually “publish” their cracked/ripped/capped material to certain private ftp sites. If they went through each individual properly and decided who they can trust to have their releases (i.e. who its intended for) then they can give those certain ppl access to the files. These topsites are the source of pretty much all files.
If they got rid of all racers (who they affiliate with, just for more “scene” attention) potentially they could get rid of all leaks. Its simple.
The reason the scene kiddies are exposing ppl like Ersan and now FTN ex admin Brandon is that they want to believe that they themselves are NOT the cause of the leaks. If they invested just a little money for their own private servers they could keep it to themselves.
I myself am not against selling of warez IF, and ONLY if you are the person responsible for cracking/ripping and encoding (i.e. ppl in the groups). A lot of ppl in the scene DO sell and thats a fact, its just very frowned upon and can be punishable to those who become jealous. If the sceners sold releases for a while they could get money to pay for AWESOME servers…
thanks for reading my 2 pence…im sure a lot fo you will disagree and probably find flaw’s in my arguement. Bring it on though, I would like to discuss this further.
xx
cuxxial
Anonymous you know not of what you speak.
Where to p2p releases come from? The fucking scene. They do NOT need p2p, p2p has decimated the scene and made release groups a household name.
P2p NEEDS the scene, or it’s just 1 giant demonoid style cluster fuck.
These scene pussies doing this just goes to show you they don’t even do it for the reasons they quote anymore.
Yes it’s a race, WITHIN THE SCENE, it has nothing to do with limewire, bittorrent, or any other p2p program. It’s a race against the other scene groups to get your release pred and uploaded to topsites first.
The scene doesn’t want to be ‘known’ they want to be respected by other scene groups, not us lowly torrent users.
Trust me kiddies, I’ve dealt with these people, they is a very small core that are still in it for the thrill, the rest are selling warez, or are to stupid to protect themselves.
P2p makes the scene to public, but it does NOTHING to reveal the people, or help you nail them. They do that by selling warez, and being greedy and selling invites into their little clubs, or just being plain dumb and filling an FBI / MPAA server full of warez.
A merger of p2p with the scene would spell disaster, and the complete end of the piracy movement we know and love today.
The scene will NEVER embrace torrents, that’s a fact, as it’s about as unsecure as selling pirated DVDs infront of your local police station.
No one is “stealing” releases from these groups, THEY upload them to topsites, THEY allow users to access them and THEY take NO measures to stop their releases from getting on torrent sites.
Their responce? A few emails, a ddos or two, and their latest pathetic narcing.
Go ahead and DDoS as many torrent sites as you can, and go ahead and reveal the personal info. Anyone stupid enuff to run an illegal torrent site that can easily be linked back to them with little or no effort, is hurting all of us.
If it was that easy for these guys to get that info, just think what the mpaa/riaa/fbi could know having the law on their side, and the sneak and peek provision, seeing as downloading torrents is a form of terrorism.
Big deal, we know the name of the admins, who cares? How is that destroying them? It’s not, rather, it’s going to backlash in their faces as most unconnected people are finally getting a hint of what the scene is really like, and would probably turn on them in a second.
So here’s where I’m at, if I was still running a dump, or had any direct connection to any of the groups taking part in this nonsense (which I do not) I would flip on them in a second, I would call the fbi/mpaa whoever I needed to, to help setup a nice little sting and see how these little punk bitches like prison, cause that’s where they’d be going.
I think the scene should get back to what it does best, releasing warez, and bickering back and fourth like retarded third graders, any of the groups wanting to push this further should be scene banned for being fucktards.
Yeah … good way, fighting each others. NOT … bunch of moroons.
I have supplied some promocd’s to a friend, who is a scener. This simply forces me to stop that and releases them to public trackers. There are more than enough ways to stay anonymous with that.
I also have seen some of my rips,
which i uploaded to OINK, being released by the scene. Scene is just nothing, nada, noppes without their suppliers.
So Mininova, TPB, torrentbox, etc … here i come.
For fuck sake.. The millions of people who use the Bittorrent protocol have uploaded much, much more than you “sceners” ever have. Stop being jealous, you can have your releases and keep them to your little private communities. Pointless.. but if that’s what you want.
this entire thing is just really immature. i understand that the scene blames p2p for bringing filesharing into the spotlight, but do tehy really think that nobody would know what they were doing were it not for BT? And the fact that they attacked him for stealing their stuff and then not allowing it to be spread further is the most hypocritical thing ever. according to him he was doing, by definition, EXACTLY what the scene does.
and to the users who have stated that FTN does not allow users to share their packs, that’s what MOST 0-day sites do if you haven’t notices. discogs and movie/tv packs are usually internal compilations that sets each site apart.
Interesting…
[quote comment="257341"]This is an interesting P2P sandwich, we’ve got the MPAA/RIAA pushing from the top and the hacker anarchists pushing from the bottom. Who knew the scene could get this complex and dramatic.
I wonder if it’s the pirates that actually sell content for money who are really behind these “outings”.[/quote]
+1, insightful.
[quote comment="257444"]If the scene really really wanted to, they could stop the spreading of rls’s[/quote]
Therefor what can we deduce? Perhaps that not everyone in “Teh Scene” are total douchebags and may too embrace the idea that information/knowledge wants to be free.
Honestly, I think many in Teh Scene have good cause to be security paranoid, they are responsible for millions of dollars of copyright infrigement (if you believe in that kind of thing, and the FBI does) afterall, but it’s very nieve for anyone to believe the claim that they’re going to stop P2P. The non-scene layers of contnt distribution are nescessary to the continued success of the internets (assuming the point is to get us all wired and consuming, one giant global consumer-indexed database), but obviously for those providing the content there is a need to ensure that the “leaks” between Teh Scene and P2P are secure.
No “rogue” site-ops welcome is the real story here, imo.
good going, keep it up. Destroy all the scene trackers!
Wow. Wow.
So, we all need to ignore the scene and get hold of DVD’s and rip them ourselves and leave these poor little boys to themselves. Shit, DVD Decrypter and Virtualdub work fine. Is it just me, or does this all look like the Scene are the only people in the world who know how to rip a DVD? Shit, my PC is average, my skills minimal but even I can do the work with decent quality. Sounds like far too many egos involved.
what is the actual purpose of the scene, and their releases? to distribute amongst each other, or to other groups? i dont get it. surely filesharing is about sharing files, regardless of who its with? meh.
the scene isn’t run by 11 year olds as people say. it run by 18 plus who have lots of money to pay for servers and leech accounts on other servers. this was a smart move on the scene side cause their helping the mpaa/riaa take down the bigger bt sites. the scene is only composed of 20 or 30 thousand members, thats nothing compared to the total amount of users on various p2p sites. the next site to be attacked will be ScT, if any of you read scene notices you would see that ScT is a big problem. same goes for swedvdr, swebits, norbits etc…
TO ALL SCENERS:
Go watch some more of the show ‘ The Pick-Up Artist ‘ because we all know none of you have a wizard sleeve in which to put your wands. When it comes to having meaning in the REAL WORLD, you’re all played as chumps.
[quote comment="257424"]P2P dont need the scene, the scene needs P2P otherwice they wouldnt be known[/quote]
Where the fuck do you think the releases come from?
[quote comment="257479"][quote comment="257424"]P2P dont need the scene, the scene needs P2P otherwice they wouldnt be known[/quote]
Where the fuck do you think the releases come from?[/quote]
People going out… Buying a DVD and ripping it?
Fortunately, there are plenty of decent people in the Scene. For the fucktards in there, though, let me present to you a warning:
The public knows shit all about what you are doing in the Scene. The authorities aren’t very informed. Most P2P users, even most admins, aren’t. But the crews in charge of the largers sites do know, in detail, what goes on and has what it takes to obtain further knowledge. DO NOT force this. You have the content, we have a means for distribution. What this also means, is that we have ways for our words to reach further than any of you - if you are truly interested in maintaining “security” in the scene, kindly stfu and go about your business. We don’t fuck with you, and you certainly don’t want to fuck with us. Kthx.
From my downloading experience I’ve found a lot of scene MP3 releases to be lower quality than rips I’ll get from non-scene users. Pile that on top of obnoxious file naming and tagging schemes, as well as the pointless dickwaving egotism that they present, and they can just go fuck themselves.
[quote comment="257469"]Wow. Wow.
So, we all need to ignore the scene and get hold of DVD’s and rip them ourselves and leave these poor little boys to themselves. Shit, DVD Decrypter and Virtualdub work fine. Is it just me, or does this all look like the Scene are the only people in the world who know how to rip a DVD? Shit, my PC is average, my skills minimal but even I can do the work with decent quality. Sounds like far too many egos involved.[/quote]
LMAO a scene DVDrip goes through multiple steps to achieve high quality. i seriously doubt you could get hold of a DVD a month before store date. take a look at aXXo’s DVDrips, most of them are re encoded scene releases.
[quote]take a look at aXXo’s DVDrips, most of them are re encoded scene releases.[/quote]
He encodes DVDs, just like the scene.
There was a time we had to fear RIAA, MPAA. Now we have to fear little wannabe prepubescent scenester hackers…
What’s wrong with the world?
I think what pissed them off was that FTN makes a lot of packs of various scene materials and then tagged the as their own, not giving credit to the real groups. Also the siteops at FTN have big egos and think that they actually run shit because they are paying for topsite axx. And I dont see torrent sites being a security problem for the scene, as they aren’t the source of the material they are spreading. If anything torrent sites are doing the scene a favor by taking the heat from the riaa - because they are too stupid to find the real source of all the piracy.
so they make the scene safe by terrorising people. good call kiddos
anyone stop to think that this might be another ploy by the mpaa/riaa/your favorite media cartel to bring down p2p? I remember a while ago, they were hiring hackers to help them better track down filesharers for their lawsuits… This may be a side project…
Oh_what_a_fucking_retards_!
@57
No, he reencodes. I guarantee it.
However, I agree with 56. The scene is doing all of the P2P goers a favor. They risk themselves to get the DVDs before they’re released. The MPAA would LOVE to find out who’s leaking their movies to the Scene. You think that if they found out, they’d just arrest the guy? No. They would ask him who he’s selling them to (aka the Groups in the Scene) in exchange for a lighter sentence.
All the Scene is doing is trying to protect itself. Most groups know what they’re doing (Razor1911 is a good example, I believe. Sure they had a raid; but they still release and have been since 1985).
Without the Scene, we would never have access to everything we do now. The Scene doesn’t need P2P. They do it for themselves. P2P needs the Scene. Without it, torrent sites (if we even developed BitTorrent if the Scene didn’t exists) would be crappy sites with low-quality releases. Go to any decent site and check out their top 10, 100, or whatever.
What’s always the top downloads? Oh yeah, Scene releases.
So all of you saying “Fuck the Scene”, you need to learn how it works (which I certainly DON’T; I have a basic knowledge but I can still gather enough) and stop complaining and just be thankful the Scene exists.
Is this attack really coming from the scene?
aXXo did not encode DVD’s just like the scene. He RE-encoded stuff released by the scene and then called it his own.
When will you people get it into your heads that the scene is where all these releases ORIGINATE. Do you really think all the pre-release dvd rips, screeners, mp3’s get uploaded to torrent sites first?
Read up and educate yourselves how the scene and then p2p works before posting ill-informed rubbish.
you guys are so l33t
Fuck the RIAA, Fuck the MPAA, Fuck the Hackers who work for them!
The stronger we stand, side by side, the better chance piracy will become legal :D
These guys bitching about steeling? WTF. They’re prirates for fucks sake.
Fuck them and their childish bullshit.
Mr Anon. Sceners are “special” pirates. They just like to keep the stuff within themselves. They dont like to share. So kind sceners release stuff in to the p2p.
So it’s p2p Vs MPAA+RIAA & Sceners
Sceners baby we are on your side ;-)
Original scene notice is available here [ http://www.sendspace.com/file/ex8rsb ], thanks to RLSLOG for the link.
would MediaDefender stoop this low? Perhaps. These companies routinely violate the law when they access your PC without consent. The feds look the other way and congress passes laws for them like dmca in exchange for political donations. They’ll do whatever they think they can get away with, no matter how illegal it is. They think they’re untouchable.
I just downloaded pictures of Brandon and other info from a torrent site(not saying which one)
not that I’m going to do anything but dam poor bastard. no one deserves this
What’s their problem? filesharing is just about that - SHARING!
selfish bastards!
There is no good reason for the Scene to want to do this, since they could be hit with the same tactics. I smell the MPAA RIAA breaking the law.
Destroy P2P!!
[quote comment="257448"]Anonymous you know not of what you speak.
Where to p2p releases come from? The fucking scene. They do NOT need p2p, p2p has decimated the scene and made release groups a household name.
P2p NEEDS the scene, or it’s just 1 giant demonoid style cluster fuck.
These scene pussies doing this just goes to show you they don’t even do it for the reasons they quote anymore.
Yes it’s a race, WITHIN THE SCENE, it has nothing to do with limewire, bittorrent, or any other p2p program. It’s a race against the other scene groups to get your release pred and uploaded to topsites first.
The scene doesn’t want to be ‘known’ they want to be respected by other scene groups, not us lowly torrent users.
Trust me kiddies, I’ve dealt with these people, they is a very small core that are still in it for the thrill, the rest are selling warez, or are to stupid to protect themselves.
P2p makes the scene to public, but it does NOTHING to reveal the people, or help you nail them. They do that by selling warez, and being greedy and selling invites into their little clubs, or just being plain dumb and filling an FBI / MPAA server full of warez.
A merger of p2p with the scene would spell disaster, and the complete end of the piracy movement we know and love today.
The scene will NEVER embrace torrents, that’s a fact, as it’s about as unsecure as selling pirated DVDs infront of your local police station.
No one is “stealing” releases from these groups, THEY upload them to topsites, THEY allow users to access them and THEY take NO measures to stop their releases from getting on torrent sites.
Their responce? A few emails, a ddos or two, and their latest pathetic narcing.
Go ahead and DDoS as many torrent sites as you can, and go ahead and reveal the personal info. Anyone stupid enuff to run an illegal torrent site that can easily be linked back to them with little or no effort, is hurting all of us.
If it was that easy for these guys to get that info, just think what the mpaa/riaa/fbi could know having the law on their side, and the sneak and peek provision, seeing as downloading torrents is a form of terrorism.
Big deal, we know the name of the admins, who cares? How is that destroying them? It’s not, rather, it’s going to backlash in their faces as most unconnected people are finally getting a hint of what the scene is really like, and would probably turn on them in a second.
So here’s where I’m at, if I was still running a dump, or had any direct connection to any of the groups taking part in this nonsense (which I do not) I would flip on them in a second, I would call the fbi/mpaa whoever I needed to, to help setup a nice little sting and see how these little punk bitches like prison, cause that’s where they’d be going.
I think the scene should get back to what it does best, releasing warez, and bickering back and fourth like retarded third graders, any of the groups wanting to push this further should be scene banned for being fucktards.[/quote]
The scene is becoming ever more useless these days.
Their music releases are unnecessary these days - the scene standard is still V2 MP3. In the meantime, private torrent site users have embraced perfect FLAC copies.
DVD rips? Once again, the scene comes behind. They strip out extras or re-encode it down so it fits on a single DVD or a few CDs. Users unaffiliated with the scene provide complete copies.
TV? Users who know how to encode properly can beat the scene every time. The scene rips TV episodes for speed, not quality.
Applications and games are the only categories where the scene continues to provide useful, high quality releases. The fact of the matter is, peer to peer doesn’t need the scene for a lot of things anymore, and using scene releases often results in lower quality shit.
[quote comment="257547"]There is no good reason for the Scene to want to do this, since they could be hit with the same tactics. I smell the MPAA RIAA breaking the law.[/quote]
I agree, I think this is done to try to break appart the p2p revolution.
The scene wouldn’t want to be doing this, it’ll only bring massive attention to them.
[quote comment="257393"]If I were the admins, I would have used passwords over 40 characters, that would make me the Secure Scene King.[/quote]
40 characters would take a long time to brute force. they most likely arent hackers just annoying Script Kiddies who know how to brute force.
Sceners need to lower their ego a notch or two. It’s not that big of a deal, you just gotta have a LOT of free time hehe.
MPAA/RIAA is trying to fool us to believe “hackers” are destroying P2P. They are using this mafiaa techniques.
Wow i Downloaded his stuff (from sendspace ) and no one deserves this.
Most of the people are losers with no friends, and are over hyper immature brats. I talked to a small group of them in an irc channel once; still regret a year later.
Does anyone know of them?
A lot of you guys don’t understand what’s going on, again (As with when the incident with Ersan/SuperTorrents), usually the sceners are where we get our goods from (To those of you who use BitTorrent), so it’s a difficult situation. I too think this is over-exaggerating, if there’s any protocol or means of getting scene goods I think it should be BitTorrent (As opposed to scene access, which not everyone can have). I think it still has a pretty informed userbase, as opposed to something like Limewire, DC++, eMule, etc.
If anything, we should work on improving the BitTorrent protocol, something which many other sites like TPB have talked about doing.
But yeah, it’s not ‘hackers from MediaDefender’ or anything of the sort, it’s sceners, people from which we get our goods, so it’s a very delicate situation. We should try and negotiate or comply in one way or another, not necessarily by submitting to their wishes of eradicating BitTorrent, but through some type of agreement. Maybe we should educate the majority of the BitTorrent userbase on how to use BitTorrent correctly, and advise people from using cesspools like TPB and other public torrent sites where all types of crap is uploaded. Then, private torrent trackers should begin to play by rules set forth by the scene.
It’s either this, or no more cracks, pre-releases, good quality goods. We might still be able to survive by doing something where we upload our own things. For example say you bought a movie or something, rip it and encode it then upload it. So we might be able to do, but most definitely it won’t be the same as when we had scene goods.
Then again, I doubt EVERY scene group is for what these guys are doing, that is getting rid of BitTorrent. It could be that those will continue to release to BitTorrent in one way or another, and if there are conflicts with what they are doing, then there might be a little ’scene civil war’ or something, or the groups that support BitTorrent might just create their own little ’scene’.
Screw the scene, it’s mostly filled with the REAL pirates who sell the stuff and funnel the money into other criminal activities anyway. I wish that the scene WOULD die…
P2P’ers.. you know, the SHARERS, would get our stuff anyway, sure it wouldn’t be prerelease but we’d get it on or after release and we wouldn’t even notice the loss of “early” stuff after a while (we’d even end up cracking it ourselves.. BIOSHOCK anyone? even “teh scene” stole that one), and that way the companies might make more of a profit which might shut them up a bit. It’s in EVERYONE’S best interests if the scene were to disappear.
Die, scene, DIE!
P2P does not need the scene. If anything, the scene gives P2P a bad name, not vice versa. P2P is about people sharing their own stuff, not about a bunch of 14 year old fuckwits that like to call themselves l33t h4×0rs in some kind of underground circle jerk.
[quote]No, he reencodes. I guarantee it.[/quote]
Prove it?
[quote]Without the Scene, we would never have access to everything we do now.[/quote]
Wrong…
[quote]He RE-encoded stuff released by the scene and then called it his own.[/quote]
Did it ever enter your little head that he encodes scene DVDs?
Simple.
The Scene gives itself the bad name for peddling in the lives of mortal P2P users. They should just ignore it. You can’t stop people from copying material. Communication is one of the foremost human needs.
I wish there were some way both the scene AND private “scene” torrent trackers would disappear.
The great thing about BitTorrent is that it has the potential to remove the dichotomy between artist and audience. On TPB, you can upload your own albums, or remixes, overdubs, whatever, and it’s every bit as visible and available as the latest from Sony BMG.
But sceners rip, and these “scene” trackers pass on, commercial stuff only. It’s a step backwards for freedom and the progress of art. If you only download scene releases, if you use SuperTorrents or FeedThe.Net, only MPAA/RIAA stuff will be visible to you. You won’t see Steal This Film II, or any of the tens of thousands of movies and music albums made by artists who WANT their work shared — all that remains invisible to you.
Which HELPS the MPAA/RIAA, because as long as they’re seen as the ultimate sole source of quality entertainment, they retain their power.
So fuck the scene!
It depends how you look completely at this situation. The scene uses the Darknet (wiki it if you dont know), and most of the wiki stuff on warez is probably written by people from the scene. But this makes it harder to gain access due, just because of the way that the darknet works.
You can get to know some of these people, but how do you think people get access to the scene, they either pay or have to earn it the hard way. Through finding the connections on sites. Its sad to see the scene thinking that the torrent sites are hurting them. At the end of the day which one are you more likely to get caught on, public BitTorrent or SSL FTP transfers?
Why should they be worried about the security of the admins on the torrent sites, when its probably these people who gave them access to the scene to begin with. Just get the scene access revoked, god damn it you run the scene you can remove who you like.
But to be honest its all about the race, some people take this stuff seriously while others just download the stuff, see if they like it and still go and buy the DVD/CD.
What is worse for the scene, having all of the industries they “use” suddenly disappear, or having a few people ‘leak’ their giving releases to a few sites that are easy to find a few hours behide the scene it self!
Well so many questions, and so few answers! :D
The “Scene” needs to stick to it’s bread & butter and that is releasing quality warez. The crackers/hackers that bring us quality software is greatly appreciated but it can only end up on torrent sites if it is released by someone from one of the scene groups to the torrent site itself. The scene needs to stay away from music/movies as cd/dvd burners can make anyone a self-proclaimed AxxO. No disrespect towards the scene here but they should not be focusing their angst towards P2P site admins but focusing on who in their hierarchy is “letting the goods loose.”
[quote comment="257299"]The attackers left with this message: “We have yet again erased another torrent admin from existence. Other Groups, do your part to make the scene what it was in the beginning. Secure.”[/quote]
Yet again…No.
See, they did it once.
Then they did it again.
For them to do it _yet_ again, they need to go after a third;
yes, they definitely will, its just interesting to note that their righteous anger has dulled their other intellects (ie linguistic and logical) in favor of sounding all-powerful and superior.
Congratulations, you trashed someones digital stuff. That’s about as cool as pissing in their mailbox, and as useful.
The neutral impasse between “The Scene” and the torrent community has been appreciated. The deep-cover sceners stay deep-cover, the sharing-sceners keep sharing; communities within communities, that’s fine, that’s cool.
I’m not convinced its been broken yet, either, except for some hotheads vandalizing a bloke’s data.
Hades, I’d say if I were they mafIAA, this would be a great way to start a civil war amoungst my opponents!
Honestly, deep-cover Sceners, by all means stay deep cover, there’s no hard feelings. Your sub-communities should be isolated enough to operate independently.
But for the sharers amoung you, thank you; and honestly, for the curious geniuses amoung you, even cooler than sharing content would be helping improve p2p architecture/infrastructure:
you hold a dislike for / you despise p2p because it is so traceable/leakable/vulnerable? Then please, help code it better!
Peace.
89th post :(
Fuckin’ Word ‘Mark Hamill’.
They’re just cocky little fucks.
P2P would be just fine w/out the scene. People who download pre-release material would suffer, but the vast majority of pre-release material is garbage to begin w/. Getting your hands on a lousy Hollywood movie 3 months before it’s released on dvd doesn’t make it any less of a lousy Hollywood movie. The best thing that can be said for the scene is that at least they keep people from buying this corporate crap. P2p is important b/c it makes a large amount of genuinely good art available to a large number of people for free.
[quote comment="257584"]The “Scene” needs to stick to it’s bread & butter and that is releasing quality warez. The crackers/hackers that bring us quality software is greatly appreciated but it can only end up on torrent sites if it is released by someone from one of the scene groups to the torrent site itself. The scene needs to stay away from music/movies as cd/dvd burners can make anyone a self-proclaimed AxxO. No disrespect towards the scene here but they should not be focusing their angst towards P2P site admins but focusing on who in their hierarchy is “letting the goods loose.”[/quote]
aXXo transcoded from scene releases.
[quote]aXXo transcoded from scene releases.[/quote]
He probably did, but from scene DVDRs.
ZOMG, please Mr. Lame Ass Scene try to hack, cough cough, I mean “exploit” me. I hope the Scene is destroyed Bit by Bit, as their egos need a fixing.
[quote comment="257576"][quote]No, he reencodes. I guarantee it.[/quote]
Prove it?
[quote]Without the Scene, we would never have access to everything we do now.[/quote]
Wrong…
[quote]He RE-encoded stuff released by the scene and then called it his own.[/quote]
Did it ever enter your little head that he encodes scene DVDs?
Simple.[/quote]
Sorry but you are wrong here. aXXo most definitely re-encodes all his releases. He does not personally acquire screeners or DVD’s, he takes the videos already released, and encodes them to a shitty bit rate to fit on a 700mb CD.
They didnt really wipe him out of existance so much as make him become staff again.
From the site in question.
At least two members of CELLKiLL sell ftp leech, I find that funny considering they talk about being secure.
Here’s one member..
KENNETH BIGLEY
23 W Haywood Ave
Struthers OH, 44471
330-755-4791
Yet more in the immaturity category, brought to you by the “scene”! Ah, what a bunch of idiots.
We need the scene? No. We needed it, but these days it’s rather redundant.
Also, really people: What makes a scene member superior to any other releaser? I mean, aside from the ego. Sure, they occassionally run into pre-release stuff, but I personally couldn’t care less about it. Woe us, we have to wait a week!
Wether you’re in the scene or not has nothing to do with your ability to rip & transcode DVDs, crack software, etc. It’s just a heap of likeminded people that just loooove stroking eachother egos.
Here’s a quote from the site:
“I must say, it feels kinda cool to become an overnight celebrity.. I should be thanking the people in question, because this is what I needed to put me back into the game.
You see, I left FTN because of a few reasons, not just because of school. Sometimes people get tired of work, we move on and pursue new and exciting things. Well, looks like my excitement just came back to life.
After I left, many other torrent administrators and staff members contacted me. It was quite amazing to see the level of companionship and bonding made between many sites after such a small thing (at least in my eyes) had happened. It also brought a new perspective into my eyes, as personally it was quite an unexpected notion.
So, lets talk about a few things here.
First off, the info in the nfo you guys are all scurrying around about isn’t entirely legit. I’d first like to point out that you have no proof that any of that info is even mine, or even real. Second off, to prove it.. Please give me a call on the phone number supplied. I’d love to chat with you all, but I don’t think I’ll be at the other end of that call. You shouldn’t always believe what you see, and I’m sure most of you know I’m not dumb enough to just allow my life to be an open book.
Honestly, I feel a bit sorry for CELLKiLL because that NFO was embarrassing on their part, and I still don’t even believe it was them. After seeing the thing on ersan, where he was hacked and abused.. And then seeing one about me where they supposidly just copied info from facebook? Oh come on.. How proud can you be for copy pasting info anyways. Making claims about not wanting me to be your computer administrator yet you cant even hack me? Anyone can use google, anyone can go to facebook and look up people. You only made yourself look stupid with that one.
It’s not wise to kick a horse that’s already down. I had left ftn far b4 this attack was made, and I can’t say there’s any honor in what they did. But as a treat to CELLKiLL, who “took down yet another admin (ehem, sysop? hello? at least get the rank correct..)” who was already gone?? LOL. Ladies, Gentleman, I’m back.
Guess your plan backfired on you CELLKiLL. By the way, I’m still very much in scene, come and find me. Oh, and if you wanna stop by my address (which is just a college street on campus lmao) please do. We can hang out or something, maybe laugh about how lame your desperate attempt was.
At this point, FTN has a new outlook on the torrent community. I ask all those torrent administrators who have been in contact with me, as well as any others to unite together and continue to work as a team. Please, don’t pm me saying you’re sorry about what happened, because no harm has come to me from this.
//Brandon
ps: At least two members of CELLKiLL sell ftp leech, I find that funny considering they talk about being secure.
Here’s one member..
KENNETH BIGLEY
23 W Haywood Ave
Struthers OH, 44471
330-755-4791″
Scene does not need P2P
P2P does NOT need the Scene
P2P DOES benefit from Scene
but P2P does not NEED the Scene
After all, Napster was not famous from scene releases. Most files were rips from CDs purchased by those participating in the network.
Same can be said of the websites I download material from. There are scene releases and there are rips made by site members.
Fuck the scene… Who cares what they think? Keep working and releasing good stuff you bitches. Work for us, my slaves. For me people like the scene are like a slave that provides me pleasure, nothing more. If they aren’t happy with what they are doing, why they release stuff online? They should rip shit and share among themselves, period. We, the P2P made their fame…
FUCK ALL YOU THIEVES
VIVA LA GFY.COM
What’s GFY.com ?
Is that Gay Female Yodelers?
I think I’ve heard about that site.
Here at what.cd nobody can get our names or info. We will never be stoped! Fuck the scene!
From that NFO it looks like they’re targeting rushbits next. Nice to see Brandon turn the tables and drop dox on one of them though.
Why don’t we strike back already? Seriously the could never match our numbers, put them out of business.
To all members of the scene who share these views it quite simple get your heads from up your own arses
THE SCENE SUCKS DONKEY DICK. UR OWN WAYS ARE OVER. UR NO BETTER THEN THE MPAA TORRENTS HAVE TAKEN OVER SO MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY U OLD JUNKY ASS PISS TARDS.FUCKING WIMPS
[quote comment="257383"]“The Scene” should be happy bittorrent and other file sharing exists. When was the last time you saw a private FTP group go down in a raid? How about some DC++ users? You don’t, the jerkoffs in the cocaine…errr I mean movie/music industry only go after public stuff, like TPB, Torrentspy, Demonoid, Limwire, etc…
Having this public outlet takes attention away from them, and they should STFU and be happy their butts aren’t in jail. Cuz if they get caught and it is found out that THEY are the REAL people responsible for illegal sharing of copyrighted content on the net and not some young mother or teenage boy in Iowa or somethig, they gonna get a LOOONG time in prison. Any some new boyfriends.[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Buccaneer
here ya go…
First off, all I’ve heard about the scene is indirect references etc; but I have learned a fair bit about functional societies, and the Scene certainly is one of those.
I picture the true scene, the hardcore scene, as brilliant, eccentric, geeky computer lovers who have obsessively spent most of their entire lives (be they 20 or 60) playing with computers, learning every nook, trick and cranny.
I’ve had a taste of programming, and of how amazingly much fun it is to build something.
Likewise, a taste of cracking (more like phreaking, but close) and it too is an exhilarating rush.
I know that if I had fallen in love with computers years ago, and spent my life up to this point playing with them and chasing that rush of creating and of cracking, profit would never have entered into the equation; just pure fun and exhilaration.
So yeah, I imagine the true/hardcore Sceners actually _are_ geeky, eccentric, brilliant computing gurus who do this stuff for fun (sometimes they race, w/e).
Some of them leak to general p2p, sure, that’s their choice; for the majority though, the race/trip is all the fun.
PS - Although I’m sure they take digital steps to ensure their safety, I highly doubt that they all belong to some organized cabal of suit-wearing Skulls and Bones, with monthly meetings and world-domination (or even money/profit) agendas. Not that organized. Just a bunch of gurus doing what they love.
[quote comment="257725"]THE SCENE SUCKS DONKEY DICK. UR OWN WAYS ARE OVER. UR NO BETTER THEN THE MPAA TORRENTS HAVE TAKEN OVER SO MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY U OLD JUNKY ASS PISS TARDS.FUCKING WIMPS[/quote]
Not defending anyone, but as far as I am aware, most sceners are unhappy that the files they put online are being re packaged as someone else’s over bit torrent, most of the stuff you get over p2p started from some ftp and eventually trickled its way down….my 2 cents
Perhaps this isn’t Scene related at all. the anti-p2p crowd may be doing this to promote infighting. It’s a guerrilla tactic that’s been in use for a long time.
So let me get straight. They hacked the torrent site to get the admin’s personal information and then revealed it. Are they idiots. They’ve committed a felony and if they get caught they are going to jail. And because the identity of the admin was obtained illegally, that info is inadmissible in court. So, the hackers are actually being counter productive to their own cause. Question: ARE THEY IDIOTS?
Someone get these fucks’ personal information.
Lol @ all you bashing the scene. You all forget Brandon is scene? He run’s a topsite and everything. Just wait for him to get SCENENOTICED now with his scene nick… it will be coming soon. Not sure why everything think’s Brandon is the shit, he sits at home all day alone, he’s spoiled by his parents, is like legally blind on disability or someshit and the gov’t pays for his schooling cause of it lmfao. Brandon is a fuckin loser, just wish better info had pred on him kinda dissapointing imho. Oh well, maybe some1 will come up with something better to get this asshat to stfu and stop makin up stories.
OK idiots, Cellkill is a coder on Supertorrent.org, that is the reason they use the name, its not a scene group. Before you start talking shit about sceners you need to know what you’re talking about. Also, sceners do this because torrents make their community insecure. The info they post is not necessarily to make their info public to the masses, it is to give their info to the scene, since scene access is IP dependent other scene top sites can check their access lists and block his IP’s. Its all very simple and there is a reason behind it.
[quote comment="257738"]So let me get straight. They hacked the torrent site to get the admin’s personal information and then revealed it. Are they idiots. They’ve committed a felony and if they get caught they are going to jail. And because the identity of the admin was obtained illegally, that info is inadmissible in court. So, the hackers are actually being counter productive to their own cause. Question: ARE THEY IDIOTS?[/quote]
lol you have no clue what you’re talkin bout. no1 hacked feedthe.net n00b
to all the scener’s go choke and die all the music ever upped by me was my own CD so put that in your crack pipe and smoke it
Does it matter where the files originally come from? Sharing is sharing. If it makes it easier to get a hold of the files then repackage them. Just give some credit to the original pirate. I hope someone stops these assholes before we lose all the people that host our trackers. “The Scene”. I hope someone kills you all.
[quote comment="257742"]OK idiots, Cellkill is a coder on Supertorrent.org, that is the reason they use the name, its not a scene group. Before you start talking shit about sceners you need to know what you’re talking about. Also, sceners do this because torrents make their community insecure. The info they post is not necessarily to make their info public to the masses, it is to give their info to the scene, since scene access is IP dependent other scene top sites can check their access lists and block his IP’s. Its all very simple and there is a reason behind it.[/quote]
omggg FINALLY some1 with knowledge who understands this! all these P2Pers on here going “omg my poor brandon” dont understand shit.
I can’t imagine that the scene has politics similar to the corporate types they hate so much. =.=
Dude that’s fucking fine by me.
Maybe 10% of the stuff I download is scene anyways, V0 rips ftw!
hackers leaves trails, it would be interesting if these misguided attacks on torrent sites lead police right to their own back doors. Not only would they be arrest for violations of privacy and computer trespassing and mis-use, but massive copyright infringement.
*waits patiently for some vengeful hacker to get his lulz.
FIGHT BACK! GET RID OF THE NFO’S OUT OF THE FILES THEN SAY U RELEASED THE FILES THEMSELVES. THAT WILL TEACH THOES DICKS WHOS IN CONTROL.
If you understood.
You would know.
But you dont.
Everything has a reason.
And every reason, its purpose.
Set aside a little time for knowledge.
You will see things quite clearly.
Sorry, is this where I order my KFC?? o.O
n00balz
apparently none of you people are actually musicians. we work to write music and are more dedicated to it than most people are to their regular jobs. when you download music without paying for it, you are basically spitting in our faces and saying “i like your music that is a result of years of work, but i’m not willing to reward you for what youve contributed to the world.” the record industry is corrupt in some aspects, true. however, independant artists don’t have a large corporation to support them when record sales come to a hault. with the advent of internet video, live performance numbers are dwindling. sooner or later, there will be no serious musicians making music because WE CAN’T SURVIVE WITH NO INCOME.
i hope you enjoy your free music.
The scene needs to get their tampons out of their asses. The scene is digging it’s own grave…I honestly hope it is destroyed, now.
[quote comment="257762"]apparently none of you people are actually musicians. we work to write music and are more dedicated to it than most people are to their regular jobs. when you download music without paying for it, you are basically spitting in our faces and saying “i like your music that is a result of years of work, but i’m not willing to reward you for what youve contributed to the world.” the record industry is corrupt in some aspects, true. however, independant artists don’t have a large corporation to support them when record sales come to a hault. with the advent of internet video, live performance numbers are dwindling. sooner or later, there will be no serious musicians making music because WE CAN’T SURVIVE WITH NO INCOME.
i hope you enjoy your free music.[/quote]
I’ll put a wager on the fact serious musicians will be the only ones still producing good music.
It’s all the crap that’ll get weeded out.
The Scene = RIAA/MPAA
Pansies!!! CTI is on your Tail.
suddenly i don’t feel like downloading anything if were relying on such babies. id rather buy the dvd or cd then have to kiss the asses of these so called scene people.
All of you are useless pieces of shit off a donkeys ass!!!
Wake up to your worthless pityful selves!!!
Shackers-Paradise is the place to be.
I dare anyone to ride our jock!!!!
FUCK YOU!!!
[quote comment="257689"]Fuck the scene… Who cares what they think? Keep working and releasing good stuff you bitches. Work for us, my slaves. For me people like the scene are like a slave that provides me pleasure, nothing more. If they aren’t happy with what they are doing, why they release stuff online? They should rip shit and share among themselves, period. We, the P2P made their fame…[/quote]
I seriously ROFLMAOed :D
[quote comment="257689"]Fuck the scene… Who cares what they think? Keep working and releasing good stuff you bitches. Work for us, my slaves. For me people like the scene are like a slave that provides me pleasure, nothing more. If they aren’t happy with what they are doing, why they release stuff online? They should rip shit and share among themselves, period. We, the P2P made their fame…[/quote]
I LOLed
Hey Michael Cole (#123),
Thanks, indeed I am enjoying MY free music. Now STFU and write me some more.
If you don’t like it, go flip some burgers.
All of you are useless pieces of shit off a donkeys ass!!!
Wake up to your worthless pityful selves!!!
Shackers-Paradise is the place to be..
I dare anyone to ride our jock!!!!
FUCK YOU!!!
difference between the scene and p2p people? well the scene are thieves of course. real gutless slimy animal thieves that ruin the industry. your not cool with your shitty bot nets. your a pack of looses that wouldn’t know how to throw a punch in real life if there life depended on it. keep this shit up and you scene people will be REPLACED.
Michael Cole,
Blame the RIAA and the music industry for the position you’re in. If the studios had had any foresight, they’d have started selling music downloads first and Napster might never have been invented. Of course, giant corporations have never been too eager to try new things and when they do, the product is almost always less than people want.
Look at iTunes; It seems to be doing well, even though it has serious drawbacks. You have to use the iTunes software which only works on Mac and certain versions of Windows and the songs are usually in a DRM protected format that limits what you can do with them. Also, the DRM songs will only play on an iPod.
Now imagine if buying a song was as easy as buying a CD online. You go to any online business, find the song you want, pay a one-time price and download a high-quality MP3 (or whatever format) file that can be played on any MP3 player or burned to CD. “But the files would get pirated!” you say. Guess what? That happens already!
People use the P2P networks because the selection is larger (trying finding obscure 60s songs on iTunes!) and the files don’t have DRM.
Collectively, the music and movie industries have tried to kill or cripple every major technological advance for the last 40 years. If they had their way we wouldn’t have VCRs, DVRs, recordable CDs/DVDs, or even cassettes and you’d need a government license to own any kind of recording device. As it is, we’re stuck with Macrovision, CSS, AACS, region coding, broadcast flags, etc. Which do nothing to stop piracy, but which inconvenience honest customers. Not to mention that the media corporations have completely perverted the idea of copyrights and all but erased the concept of anything ever becoming public domain. And what happened to the promise of lower CD/DVD prices once the initial cost of changing over from cassettes/VHS was finished?
Maybe if the industry had kept pace with the times and given people what they wanted, this whole mess could have been somewhat avoided. Unfortunately now the genie is out of the bottle and it’s not going back in anytime soon.
As for me, I don’t download music, mainly because I’m not really into music. I do like movies though, and I can’t help noticing that even as the MPAA is claiming that piracy is killing the movie industry, Hollywood just had a record year.
Torrents don’t make their community insecure - if anything, it provides decoy targets. MANY important people in the scene realize this, but are afraid to speak up. I would actually postulate that most people in the scene are good people. Right now, it’s just the fucktards that are endangering everyone. That’s right - if anyone is threatening the security of the Scene, it’s the people responsible for this shit. Pissing off people who know who you are and what you do, or can easily find these things out, is not a good idea.
[quote comment="257762"]apparently none of you people are actually musicians. we work to write music and are more dedicated to it than most people are to their regular jobs. when you download music without paying for it, you are basically spitting in our faces and saying “i like your music that is a result of years of work, but i’m not willing to reward you for what youve contributed to the world.” the record industry is corrupt in some aspects, true. however, independant artists don’t have a large corporation to support them when record sales come to a hault. with the advent of internet video, live performance numbers are dwindling. sooner or later, there will be no serious musicians making music because WE CAN’T SURVIVE WITH NO INCOME.
i hope you enjoy your free music.[/quote]
You should be exploring other ways to market your music such as http://www.projectopus.com/
Or
http://bandzoogle.com
i think people in the scene have every right to be upset. The p2p scene puts the real big guys who actually rip dvd scrnrs and what not at a much greater risk.
If you don’t know how, then you don’t know shit.
who the fuck needs the scene faggots anyway?
[quote comment="257794"]who the fuck needs the scene faggots anyway?[/quote]
they bring you everything you d/l ya dumbass lol
I was under the impression that the point was to liberate content and make it available to all… not to keep it for a select few in some self-defined “scene.” It’s hypocritical to distribute the creations of others and then bitch about those rips finding their way onto p2p sites. To do so is to try to control that content without having even been responsible for it in the first place… which is an even less defensible stand than that of the MPAA or RIAA, in my opinion.
[quote comment="257797"][quote comment="257794"]who the fuck needs the scene faggots anyway?[/quote]
they bring you everything you d/l ya dumbass lol[/quote]
lol so all the CD’s i’ve upped are from the scene? nope they were from CD’s i brought same with my movies and games
It seems these “sceners” want to keep files, music, rips and such to their own private insular clique. Sounds very selfish to me, and completely against the grain of what the net is for.
If they don’t want to be good little boys and share like they’re supposed to, then they can go sit in the corner and be little crybabies like the RIAA and MPAA.
[quote comment="257728"][quote comment="257383"]“The Scene” should be happy bittorrent and other file sharing exists. When was the last time you saw a private FTP group go down in a raid? How about some DC++ users? You don’t, the jerkoffs in the cocaine…errr I mean movie/music industry only go after public stuff, like TPB, Torrentspy, Demonoid, Limwire, etc…
Having this public outlet takes attention away from them, and they should STFU and be happy their butts aren’t in jail. Cuz if they get caught and it is found out that THEY are the REAL people responsible for illegal sharing of copyrighted content on the net and not some young mother or teenage boy in Iowa or somethig, they gonna get a LOOONG time in prison. Any some new boyfriends.[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Buccaneer
here ya go…[/quote]
7 years ago…so ?
The sceners can’t get their heads around the FACT that not everything P2P originates from the scene.
Also, and this is an honest question and not trolling, why do we have all these private trackers that only allow scene releases? The scene keeps making it clear, through actions like these and in nearly every .nfo created, that they HATE P2P!
Because scene releases are supposedly high quality.
(If you scoff at this, fine, so do I, but a lot of people still feel this way.)
No honor among thieves
[quote comment="257800"][quote comment="257797"][quote comment="257794"]who the fuck needs the scene faggots anyway?[/quote]
they bring you everything you d/l ya dumbass lol[/quote]
lol so all the CD’s i’ve upped are from the scene? nope they were from CD’s i brought same with my movies and games[/quote]
well, you have fun on your public sites which isnt as secure. this whole discussion is about brandon and the private scene tracker he runs. only scene uploads allowed.
[quote comment="257805"][quote comment="257728"][quote comment="257383"]“The Scene” should be happy bittorrent and other file sharing exists. When was the last time you saw a private FTP group go down in a raid? How about some DC++ users? You don’t, the jerkoffs in the cocaine…errr I mean movie/music industry only go after public stuff, like TPB, Torrentspy, Demonoid, Limwire, etc…
Having this public outlet takes attention away from them, and they should STFU and be happy their butts aren’t in jail. Cuz if they get caught and it is found out that THEY are the REAL people responsible for illegal sharing of copyrighted content on the net and not some young mother or teenage boy in Iowa or somethig, they gonna get a LOOONG time in prison. Any some new boyfriends.[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Buccaneer
here ya go…[/quote]
7 years ago…so ?[/quote]
The article sites more raids, I wasn’t trying to have a “I told you so” moment, I was simply giving him information to the question he asked… but yea, you should probably read up a little more, ftps that go down arent sent little love notes from riaa/mpaa, they are raided by the respective Governments.
The scene is always going to be something that is undeniably superior in the eyes of other sceners… they may have good releases and they may have the dumps and topsites… but they dont have the desire to share. The idea of the scene shouldn’t be to horde the material between themselves, it should be to spread the material… does/should method really matter???
The scene is always going to be something that is undeniably superior in the eyes of other sceners… they may have good releases and they may have the dumps and topsites… but they dont have the desire to share. The idea of the scene shouldn’t be to horde the material between themselves, it should be to spread the material… does/should method really matter???
If the “scene” doesn’t feel secure, maybe they need to look within their own ranks for the problem. Somebody has to leak their uploads, and it’s damn sure not one of us “regular” guys.
They also need to check their egos at the door. Bit-torrent will do just fine without them, and anyone who doesn’t think so, is just fooling themselves. P2P lives and dies by it’s users, not a buch pricks with big egoes. This “the scen puts out most of whats on bit-torrent bullshit, is just that, bullshit. I’ll give them credit for early releases and such, but c’mon sheeple, don’t sell yourselves short here. Some of you overrate these guys.
To Michael Cole,
I upload music for free, because the industry still hasn’t gotten it right yet. iTunes is shit, and renting music for a monthly fee is just plain stupid. I also refuse to pay near CD prices for lossy DRM infected files. Those that use these services, are morons. Especially anyone using iTunes.
If I download your music for free, it’s to check it out. If it’s good enough, i’ll buy it. If it’s not, I won’t. If it’s decent, but not worth buying, look at it this way, at least I am listening to your creation, and am possible free advertising. Wouldn’t you rather your music be heard by as many people as possible, or would you rather just lock it away and remain an obscure blip on the radar?
The bar has been raised. Put out good music, and you’ll sell albums. Put out crap, or middle of the road drivel, and your music will not sell. Your lucky people want to steal your music, the way I see it.
I am sorry, but that is just the way it is now-a-days.
how can you steal something, what is already stolen?
They’re hacking the Gibson!!!
I Bet It’s MPAA hiring 10 year olds to the this Shit like everything else that goes wrong bittorrent or filesharing it gots MPAA name all over it
Would Be Nice For Us Form Some Kind of group and DOS the Shit of the them hackers
[quote comment="257310"]I seriously think these ‘hackers’ are like 10 years old..
get a life you fucks. nobody gives a shit, go cry to mommy and suck your daddys dong.[/quote]
You know, this is what I was hoping for. Torrents are making the Scene insecure and it isn’t fair to see the original Scene killed my torrents.
When was the last time you saw XDCC bots? How about FTPs?
I’m glad people are finally realizing that torrents make the Scene usable by any stupid computer user. Eventually it will make authorities wonder, and more and more busts will be made. The private scene will still exist, and they will never go down.
Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work.
respect to tfreak for leaving out the private info.
hacking is clearly more illegal than hosting a torrent file but don’t expect the government or any authority figure to do anything.
the scene hackers get their material from industry insiders who might be squeezing their 0-day access to unreleased material, forcing the hacks to go after torrent sites just so they can hog their so-called scene releases for themselves.
go ahead and wreck whatever torrent site you can find with ‘your’ scene release but taking out every torrent on the site is just plain ass fucking yourself. There are people who spend their time releasing torrents that they worked on themselves, not ’stolen’ from other thieves.
and taking out torrent sites that share ‘their’ releases to the public is similar to what the MPAA and RIAA are doing, going after the distributors rather than the source. If these ’scene’ assfucks can hack into torrent sites, why can’t they even check who among their ‘elite’ assfuck members are leaking the files in the first place. SO MUCH FOR BEING ‘ASSFUCKING’ ELITE.
[quote comment="257871"]You know, this is what I was hoping for. Torrents are making the Scene insecure and it isn’t fair to see the original Scene killed my torrents.
When was the last time you saw XDCC bots? How about FTPs?
I’m glad people are finally realizing that torrents make the Scene usable by any stupid computer user. Eventually it will make authorities wonder, and more and more busts will be made. The private scene will still exist, and they will never go down.
Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work.[/quote]
the scene is being destroyed by scene-members who leak the files out to the torrent community. attacking BT because one of their own likes spreading their files and making the scene unsecure won’t solve the problem. BT users will move onto something else and still get their hand on the files until they kill whoever it is inside the scene is releasing their stuff.
Arent pirates suposta stick together?
Comon now, cant you see, open your eyes…this is just a clever way of the anti pirates, and they know who they are to destroy the torrent/scene crowds all together. We have to unite as one. This is obviously some hacker for the anti pirates, disguised as a scene person.
[quote comment="257871"]You know, this is what I was hoping for. Torrents are making the Scene insecure and it isn’t fair to see the original Scene killed my torrents.
When was the last time you saw XDCC bots? How about FTPs?
I’m glad people are finally realizing that torrents make the Scene usable by any stupid computer user. Eventually it will make authorities wonder, and more and more busts will be made. The private scene will still exist, and they will never go down.
Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work.[/quote]
You do realize that ftp is less secure than some P2P ( they say “Destroying The P2Ps, One Step at a Time ” ) .
And i don’t really see the problem.The stuff released via BT is the same stuff you can fid on warez boards. So there’s no difference in security for the scene ( they do have less control over it )
B. is fine. FTN is fine. This was rubbish, I highly doubt that these kids are from “The Scene” at all…
Nice, anyone who tells people not to
upload “our” releases to other sites
deserves to have their butts kicked ..
I have to agree with Astaroth. Unless they actually take down the sites that are mentioned and make them unusable, all they’ve done is just mess around with somebody’s private information. And I also agree that they are not from “The Scene”, they probably are in that stupid 4chan group Anonymous.
The point is, how can FTN tell people not to leak releases when their releases are in some way leaked?
who cares about the scene people. i do not , there is a world with real sunshine outside i am there. i am not losing sleep if all torrent sites go
Even if the p2p goes down and piracy rampant among THE SCENERS. MPAA & RIAA will come after your asses after they are done with the p2p, as the would def milk the cow they fed grass aint it?
Lolz at all the talk of new releases and leaks. Is that all you torrent? How sad for you. True Romance, Casablanca, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Leon, al movies that are not new. And then there’s TV, Top Gear and BSG. Just because you got it before everyone else did means little with the release windows as they are now, so good for you feeling exclusive. Thats just great you’ve found a way for your ego to feel big. I’m glad its working out for you.
isn’t that breaking rules of privacy ?
by revealing ther name etc.etc.
Robert Karp says hi
Pirates complaining about other pirates stealing their stolen warez. Epic LULZ!
SET SAIL FOR FAIL!
17 year old virgins wanting cred on the scene for “nailing” p2p-admins. Get a life and grow up.
You can’t tell me The scene can manage to keep out feds but not P2P leakage. They probably consider P2P a minor nuisance and can’t really be arsed to really do something about it.
And if they did they wouldn’t do it like this. I’m guessing a fair deal of the Scene hangs together by trust. So making info like this public doesn’t really sound like something they would do. Besides its very ineffective.
No this guy is probably just a scriptkiddie with a few connections.
The scene is important for P2P’ers because it’s STANDARDIZED. Each release is done within certain guidelines, to ensure a relatively high level of quality. Furthermore, there are many knowledgeable people who are verifying the scene releases for quality, nuking those that aren’t up to snuff.
Truth is, though there are SOME good releasers that aren’t affiliated with the scene, but not many.
The standardization is a strength and a weakness, as it’s inflexibility and sometimes arbitrary rules are actually not condusive to enhanced quality. There was a time when 1CD or 2CD rips made sense, but I’ve not come across CDR media in ages. And they systematically encode with XviD, even though there are far superior codes available (namely x264).
Let’s be honnest too; the more releases floating around available to the general public, the more attention the scene receives. And the federales are probably more interested in the people that bring the content to the streets, rather than the guy in south america that’s downloading it.
Someone should tell these “scene” guys that the 90’s are over.
And for all you pompous, arrogant asses try googling a bit on the P2P Hydra concept. The genie is out of the bottle and you can’t put it back in
Well well.. Looks like I just made history \o/
But ya know what? Today, even more history will be made.
I must say, it feels kinda cool to become an overnight celebrity.. I should be thanking the people in question, because this is what I needed to put me back into the game.
You see, I left FTN because of a few reasons, not just because of school. Sometimes people get tired of work, we move on and pursue new and exciting things. Well, looks like my excitement just came back to life.
After I left, many other torrent administrators and staff members contacted me. It was quite amazing to see the level of companionship and bonding made between many sites after such a small thing (at least in my eyes) had happened. It also brought a new perspective into my eyes, as personally it was quite an unexpected notion.
So, lets talk about a few things here.
First off, the info in the nfo you guys are all scurrying around about isn’t entirely legit. I’d first like to point out that you have no proof that any of that info is even mine, or even real. Second off, to prove it.. Please give me a call on the phone number supplied. I’d love to chat with you all, but I don’t think I’ll be at the other end of that call. You shouldn’t always believe what you see, and I’m sure most of you know I’m not dumb enough to just allow my life to be an open book.
Honestly, I feel a bit sorry for CELLKiLL because that NFO was embarrassing on their part, and I still don’t even believe it was them. After seeing the thing on ersan, where he was hacked and abused.. And then seeing one about me where they supposidly just copied info from facebook? Oh come on.. How proud can you be for copy pasting info anyways. Making claims about not wanting me to be your computer administrator yet you cant even hack me? Anyone can use google, anyone can go to facebook and look up people. You only made yourself look stupid with that one.
It’s not wise to kick a horse that’s already down. I had left ftn far b4 this attack was made, and I can’t say there’s any honor in what they did. But as a treat to CELLKiLL, who “took down yet another admin (ehem, sysop? hello? at least get the rank correct..)” who was already gone?? LOL. Ladies, Gentleman, I’m back.
Guess your plan backfired on you CELLKiLL. By the way, I’m still very much in scene, come and find me. Oh, and if you wanna stop by my address (which is just a college street on campus lmao) please do. We can hang out or something, maybe laugh about how lame your desperate attempt was.
At this point, FTN has a new outlook on the torrent community. I ask all those torrent administrators who have been in contact with me, as well as any others to unite together and continue to work as a team. Please, don’t pm me saying you’re sorry about what happened, because no harm has come to me from this.
//Brandon
ps: At least two members of CELLKiLL sell ftp leech, I find that funny considering they talk about being secure.
Here’s one member..
I just realized, I don’t want to be like you.
The only thing the scene is good for in regard to p2p is the somewhat standardised release rules, meaning you know it will be good quality (even this is BS sometimes, groups like pFa, etc)
One p2p area that definitely CAN survive without the scene is HD content. the scene sucks for this. p2p stuff is higher quality, more abundant and released quicker. HD is the future, the scene days are numbered.
.oo much drama for p2p. “The Real World, Geeks edition” lawl
The Funny thing is that with this action they make themselve stand out also.
I mean the guy must be getting those downloads from somewhere right?
Eventually by setting him in the spotlight (+others) it wil backfire ….
say hi to bubba …..
aAd who do u think wil get the biggest punishment scener boys?
[quote comment="257313"]Pretty much all the info they gathered could and probably would be on some social networking site anyways and getting the ISP/IP is very easy.
It would be a great laugh if some super hacker could get them.
Also I’m with Anon I don’t know how this stops the site forever or kills off the admin =/[/quote]
Spot on, this could all be found by finding out the admins bloody email address. A myspace search by the email address and a whoisquery could find most of that information in about oh….20 seconds.
this really doesnt actually sound like its from the scene.
If it is i miss axxo.
Axxo owned them and they couldnt do shit to stop his releases being vastly more popular than all of theirs. ha.
Teh scene is just as much thieves as p2p sharers.
i guess the sopranos series finale affected everyone differently..
What I find funny, is if anything ever did actually happen to this admin from this, I doubt he’d disagree to helping the feds take down plenty of scene sites.. My guess is these “sceners” who released this are either idiots, or not “sceners” at all. Way to secure scene idiots, make another enemy and then put him in the spotlight to get revenge at you.. heh
I have had this happen to me. I run an anonymous p2p site (http://www.Dargens.com) that works like Bit Torrent but hides users’ identity.
I had my home address and telephone posted to several websites including Slyck with threats and insults calling me businessman who is ripping off the p2p community.
This is despite the fact that my software in not commercial and open source (http://code.google.com/p/kerjodando/).
It seems many people/governments do not like the idea of p2p OR any form of anonymous communication.
I survived but only just, both my wife and kids were upset and I seriously wondered if it was worth carrying on.
So beware p2p is full of dirty tricks, some by individuals and some by undercover operatives working for governments.
Ez
Hypocrisy. Unchain the software, free the video games itp. but not on torrents. “We are cool, cause we have cool undercover life”. Go and die.
Haha man some of the responses in here are priceless. Some of you have absolutely NO idea what the scene does.
1) they are the ones who crack all the games and programs you use. You think some torrent tard knows how to break secureROM/whatever protections they use now?
2) They are the ones who get the advance releases, the promos, etc.
3) They have been doing this since the 1980s on bbs’s. How many of you teenagers even know what a fucking bbs is? Try doing a little research. Start with Fairlight or Razor1911.
4) They established the rules for distribution, as in 15mb rar’s (used to be 1.44mb, then 2.88mb rars), sfv’s, nfo’s, diz’s, etc.
You may no realize it now, but damn near everything you download originates from the scene, a small, incredibly smart group of individuals who risk their freedom every day for no profit, just the glory and satisfaction of being a member.
And the response that torrents are taking the heat off the scene? HAHAHA. Goto the the doj.gov website and type in warez. There are hundreds of members rotting in jail right now (friends of mine) because their risked their freedoms to give you guys what you want for free.
Now I’m not condoning the hacking/revealing of identities; that’s just total bullshit behavior. But for all you guys who think that napster invented the mp3 need a goddamn history lesson before you open your mouths.
[quote comment="257762"]with the advent of internet video, live performance numbers are dwindling. sooner or later, there will be no serious musicians making music because WE CAN’T SURVIVE WITH NO INCOME.
i hope you enjoy your free music.[/quote]
When I start moshing in my kitchen like I do at their concerts? Slap me.
When I get speakers loud enough to blow my-and-everyone-in-my-neighbourhood’s brains out? Slap me
When I would rather sit in front of a computer monitor watching my favorite band perform, instead of fighting my way through hundreds of screaming fans in a blackout mosh pit at 100 degrees and 200 decibels and finally making front row standing while I scream the words right with the lead singer and the music is so loud it blows out my eardrums but so good I can’t get enough - kindly, beat the shit out of me!!!!
@ 190
As an owner of a public private torrent site I wouldn’t want to talk to the police to help to take those sites down as he is the owner of a torren tracker. P2P causes more damage to the media industry than the scene does because P2P is on a much bigger scale. And when you follow the articles published about people getting busted you can see more people are getting sued for using P2P than being a part of the scene.
However there are also lots of raids especially directed to harm the scene.
But it’s for those organisations a lot easier to sue a P2P user than someone of the scene because it’s a lot easier to find them, and they won’t waste a chance when they have one.
Oh yeah;
and if you’re a slower performer (good acoustic, stuff like that, I like slow melodic music too) then by all means, I would much rather pay 5-10 bucks (15 if you’re good, 20 if you’re legendarily good) to see you in concert and hear every note of that guitar perfectly in the ambience of that venue (smoky jazz bar or blue-lit lounge, w/e); much rather go to that then watch an HD youtube rendition.
Brandon would never help the authorities.. The CeLLKILL’s guys info was taken down pretty fast and hopefully that will be end of all this stupid info posting.
And stop referring to this an attack by the scene! One or two members of a torrent site do not represent the whole torrent community, just as one or two members of the scene far from represent whole scene. The scene is fairly big these days and opinions of individuals with access differ a lot.
all of you are next, i plan on it
script kiddies……..there everywere
Show some respect to the scene. 90% of all releases out there are from scene groups… They are the ones who get screaners, they are the ones who crack software, they are the ones who get album promos or buy them. They are the ones who make things available even before they are available to the public!
We were never supposed to see scene releases unless we were in a group so just be thankful you can even download one release now.
They don’t have to give us anything even if they steal it themselves. It’s like me and some of my friends making copies of DVDs amongst ourselves and millions of people around the world saying we have to share it with you people we don’t even know. It’s ridiculous.
Scene releases are supposed to be shared only between scene groups! who the fuck are we to demand their releases? if we want releases we rip it ourselves. period. :)
We taking money out of your pocket? No? Then shut the fuck up and go back to work you god damn nerds. I need my illegal music, movies, apps and games ASAP.
Thank you,
The Public
@ 193
You claim that scene members “risk their freedoms to give you guys what you want for free.”
Did you even read this fucking article? They are doing these things because they DON’T want their releases getting to the public.
to james: cutting edge music is usually the result of inspiration from no names. weed out “the crap” and progress will be slowed.
to ghosx,
glad youre enjoying your free music. perhaps you were attempting to make a joke? i’m not sure. you smell like garlic and HIV.
to rekrul,
I understand people’s desire for convenience. after all, laziness is the most universal human characteristic. however, people fail to realize that downloading music for free, no matter how convenient, is like using he excuse of “it’s faster to just walk out with a laptop from bestbuy than to go throught the process of paying for it” not a perfect analogy, but music is a product, and using it without paying for it is stealing. i have no poblem stealing from people who are abusing the consumer class, however, stealing from people who are living in vans pulling trailers and surviving on show money is wrong. but hey, i guess you can’t make something easy to steal and expect people to practice morality. the fact of the matter is that most people are too stupid to realize the implications of their actions ie global warming, inflation, obesity, religious warfare, etc etc.
to raiders:
I am aware that the industry hasn’t got it right. steal from people using marketing schemes, trends, and popoganda to sell music. steal everything from them.
but be honest with yourself; how many p2p files have you downloaded and listen to regularly that you have actually gone out an bought after downloading? even if you personally buy all of them, that is as rare as a sasquatch.
also, as far as “put out good music, and you’ll sell albums” i have two responses: 1) “good” is subjective. you’re talking about being marketable, and that is usually the opposite of being artistic. and 2) i have an acquaintance here in louisiana that goes by the stage name “lil boosie”. you may have heard some of his music. however, I watched him nearly quit making music because noone actually paid for cds. he’s written several songs about it. and he’s the most marketable artist i know of.
the way it is now-a-days is the same as it has always been. people will fuck over other people to get what they want as long as they can’t see the direct results of their actions.
to tfk in concert bitch:
i am glad you think that way man. but this is coming from a person who actually knows how fucking awesome it is to see a band live. a lot of people have never gone to a concert. keep going to shows man!
TO ALL YOU PEOPLE SUPPORTING P2P SHARING OF INDEPENDANT ARTISTS:
I HOPE SOMEONE FINDS A WAY TO TAKE YOUR 9 TO 5 PAYCHECK AND TTHAT YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
[quote comment="258409"]Show some respect to the scene. 90% of all releases out there are from scene groups… They are the ones who get screaners, they are the ones who crack software, they are the ones who get album promos or buy them. They are the ones who make things available even before they are available to the public![/quote]
90% of all releases my ass. That’s just absurd to even suggest, let alone think. Sure, maybe 90% in the case of screaners and promos, but that is far it could possibly go. There way more of us non-secen people who hsare, and you can bet our uploads account for a hell of a lot more than theirs, when all combined.
If they are behind 90% of all releases on bit-torrent, then i’ll give them thanks, but I have my doubts. Like I said, i’ll buy into the idea of 90% of screaners and promos. Hell, i’ll even give them thanks for those right here and now, but the thing is, I don’t download screaners, and rarely do I bother with promos. I am more than sure that most of what I get, are from those I request the files from.
If I am wron, then so be, but I have good reason to believe I am not.
[quote comment="257784"]Collectively, the music and movie industries have tried to kill or cripple every major technological advance for the last 40 years. If they had their way we wouldn’t have VCRs, DVRs, recordable CDs/DVDs, or even cassettes and you’d need a government license to own any kind of recording device. As it is, we’re stuck with Macrovision, CSS, AACS, region coding, broadcast flags, etc.[/quote]
Here’s an example:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Hyper-CD-ROM-An-Increase-of-the-Storage-Capacity-for-Up-to-One-Hundred-Million-Times-27822.shtml
How many of you knew that there is a possible alternative (in terms of storage capacity) to current Blu-rays and HD-DVDs? An alternative several hundreds to several thousands times more efficient (10-100TB)?
Not a very mediatised invention, isn’t it? Especially with the astronomic sums of money invested in the development of HD-DVD and Blu-rays, money which have to be recovered…
If you are skeptical (as was i when i first heard this), here are some links:
http://www.storextechnologies.com/
and the results of a search after the inventor’s name (Eugen Pavel) in the US Patents database:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=eugen&FIELD1=&co1=AND&TERM2=pavel&FIELD2=&d=PTXT
Good post Michael Cole. I am glad to see you can keep a level head about this issue.
[quote comment="258454"]to raiders:
I am aware that the industry hasn’t got it right. steal from people using marketing schemes, trends, and popoganda to sell music. steal everything from them.[/quote]
Lets now share a double standard here. It’s either right or wrong. If you don’t like people infringeing on your music, you shouldn’t wish it on others.
[quote]but be honest with yourself; how many p2p files have you downloaded and listen to regularly that you have actually gone out an bought after downloading? even if you personally buy all of them, that is as rare as a sasquatch.[/quote]
That I listen to regularly? That’s a good question. From my calculations, I bought 136 titles in 2007. I only download in .flac, unless I just have to have something that just will not come available in that format. I know I only downloaded 129 .flac sourced album uploades, but I amsure there were at the very least, 30 or so MP3 sourced albums. I do know that somewhere around 100 of the official releases I bought in 2007, were .flac albums I uploaded and enjoyed. Mind you, some were carry overs from 2006.
I am not going to do the math, but I am sure it’s a pretty good % ratio in my favor. Take note, some of what I upload in .flac, is out of print. The ones I haven’t gotten yet, are either hard to find, or I haven’t got the funds. There is only so much of my income that I can spend on music, and I do feel I do my part as best I can.
I am not saying my digital and CD-R music collection is 100% legit, but I am working on it.
[quote]also, as far as “put out good music, and you’ll sell albums” i have two responses: 1) “good” is subjective. you’re talking about being marketable, and that is usually the opposite of being artistic.[/quote]
Very true, good is subjective. What I was getting at, is that the pressure is on more now than ever before. It’s a “try it before you buy it” market. Despite music being very subjective, one must cater towards those who they think will enjoy their music the most, and make sure they put out something that consumer feels the need to purchase. I know it’s a lot easier said than done, but that is the path that digital music has led us down.
[quote]and 2) i have an acquaintance here in louisiana that goes by the stage name “lil boosie”. you may have heard some of his music. however, I watched him nearly quit making music because noone actually paid for cds. he’s written several songs about it. and he’s the most marketable artist i know of.[/quote]
Never heard of Lil Boosie, but that is very sad to hear. It sounds like the fans of Lil Boosie’s music, are slackers. I mainly listen to Progressive Rock, Metal, Blues, and Jazz Fusion. I have found the fans of that sort of music to be a little more passionate than others. Maybe Lil Boosi might want to move into a different musical direction, or forget trying to make a liveing off of it, and just do it for fun. I tend to think that some musicians forget what first got them into makeing music to begine with.
[quote]the way it is now-a-days is the same as it has always been. people will fuck over other people to get what they want as long as they can’t see the direct results of their actions.[/quote]
I agree with this, and it’s a sad truth. The thing is, most of the bit-torrent community isn’ this way. At least not those who I deal with. Of course there are always going to freelaoders and the likes of, but that is te nature of the beast. Like I mentioned already, most of the fans of music that I deal with, are passionate. They want ot support their favorite artist.
I find that most of the downloaders who don’t seem to care, or freeload, are into disposable pop music, commercial rap, and other forms of mainstream music. Not that I am trying belittle fans of that sort of music, as I think it is more t odo with the sheer number of those sort of fans, than it does anything else.
Anyhow, you have made good points, and I can promise you this, if were to download your music, or Lil Boosie’s music, and liked it, I would buy the albums as soon as possible.
Well, guys, i’m a scene guy from 1992.
This is unheard of !
All that scene do, is done FOR FUN and of course it must be free.
The purpose of scene is to have fun giving ppl fun
@ Michael Cole: after reading some of the more reasonable posts, you know how inconvenienced someone in the USA can be for being a buying customer. Now you multiply that by two and you have my current situation. As soon as you’re not member of a large distribution market (and my small country doesn’t fit in one) you can be a willing customer that doesn’t get served. It has been this way for a long time and my hope that distribution via the Internet would change regional and national issues has left me in the meantime.
In short, that’s the reason why I only put ~100 instead of 200 usd per month into the whole entertainment industry. I of course download worth more than the difference but that’s not a necessary negative as well: there have been many movies or music artists I have later bought because I found out about them from (scene)-releases. Why not go to the artists website or amazon/etc to listen for a few tracks? Because they’re as user unfriendly as they come. As we’re talking about torrent p2p here it’s easy to see the advantages: the bare information is available and it’s all in the same easy accessible format. Not one commercial music distribution can get near this comfort, that’s why you guys are all moaning.
On another note about the whole cellkill-fake-group-name and their actions … if what Brandon said about them is right then they’re the biggest hypocrites ever. Selling warez that are not even theirs - and if they’re selling some leech access it’s a chance they’re some site owners and not releasers. So where do they come into the focus, except for their own plagiarism?
If you love v2 or worse audio, apps purged of extras, games missing music and maps, and movies spread over 2-3 cds, then yeah, scene is full of quality. Come on guys, it’s 2008. People have these newfangled things called DVD burners and 100+ GB disk drives. Very few groups release actual high quality rips. Those few groups aren’t throwing a tantrum over it, as it’d bring unwanted attention. It’s these guys that release utter shite. Scene for movies, apps, audio, and games became obsolete around 2004, when IRC piracy started to die. On the other side, if you want quality cracks and keygens, scene is the only way to go. Thankfully, groups like CORE and FFF know how to build apps so people can’t steal credit. Scene (for everything but cracks/keygens) needs P2P for recognition, which is the only reason they exist. P2P does not need scene at all. People will wait for movies to be released as DVD rips, and won’t give a second thought to the missing R5 rips with shitty audio, or the screeners. I love how scene is trying to take credit for aXXo’s rips, and has offered not a single shred of evidence. Surely it can’t be that hard to come up with *something* with that kind of accusation, right? Or are you guys just full of bs?
Eh, if the current people in the scene went away, new people would seek out resources to do the same things the scene does now, only maybe not try to keep it to themselves like the current scene. Sure, there might be a lull… a downtime of a few months (that’s if the entire scene magically said “I quit” at the same time), but after the lull there would be a new surge.
I would buy a lot more music directly from the artist, and pay for a lot more music, if there were a better online payment method.
As it is, cash at a record store is much more convenient and safe than online payments to, say,Jonathan Coulton: no middle man, no extra fees, anonymous (surprisingly a big one, if only as a matter of principle; disturbs me to see my gov’t etc watch every transaction I make).
I really distrust online transactions for anonymity and for safety; I have more confidence in not getting mugged at the mall than I do in every step of my transaction being hacker-and-snooper proof.
And that’s a crying shame.
Its the 21rst century.
Electronic money should be sufficiently developed that we can have the same faith in it as we do in cash.
Its the broken online payment model which is _the_ single biggest barrier to creators being paid for their work.
Because honestly? I would rather hear a song I like, download it to double check, then go to the artists page and give him a few (2-5) bucks for that kick-ass song, and leave him a “I love ____; that song kicks ass!” comment in the commentbox.
That would be much better than stealing; and when I buy the latest Linkin Park album from the record store, even at a reasonable price, I’m starting to think I’m handing over the money to Satan himself;
make it easy for me to pay the artist, and I will pay the artist.
This means you Linux community!!!!
You guys all have the wrong idea,
“scene already takes a ton of content from P2P”
what the fuck.. seriously.. could you get any more stupid.
Scene releases come from scene groups who acquire the content themselves,
eg: they buy the cd and rip it and release it.
P2P is full of junky releases and should never be compared to the scene.
P2P steals releases from the scene because they cant be fucked to make their own quality releases.
The scene is about quality.
Anyone who uses P2P should not even be aloud to download files, they are the ones who bring all the media attention, the scene remains hidden for a reason.. to stop you faggots from fucking it up.
So stop crying when your torrent sites disappear. The internet is better off without you.
[quote=Anonomous (sic)]Scene releases come from scene groups who acquire the content themselves,
eg: they buy the cd and rip it and release it.
P2P is full of junky releases and should never be compared to the scene.[/quote]
I would just point out that in regard to non-advance music releases, I’d trust a reliable uploader on a private torrent tracker far more than I would some random scene group to provide me with a quality FLAC rip using EAC in test and copy mode with proper settings and offsets.
Music sharing has in many respects best shown what p2p is best at… allowing people spread across a great geographical distance to discuss bands, genres and movements and share their collections with each other while doing so. The model is not trickle-down, but spread-the-wealth.
I’d estimate that 98-99% of my p2p downloads are non-scene. While I certainly respect the efforts of those in the “scene” who obtain and release movie screeners and advance album copies and such, p2p is far, far more than just a rider on their coattails, and would survive just fine without them.
Actually, the quote in my post above was from “Anonomous”… my apologies for any confusion.
@ 214/caravan70: it’s already been mentioned earlier but there are areas where the scene is leading with their releases and others where they cannot hold a candle to the quality and amount available from (private) p2p communities.
Were the scene to disappear from one day to the other or if they were able to block all outward traffic, there would certainly be a vacuum for the first couple of days. Pretty soon though areas like tvrips, dvdrips and music releases in various forms would be covered again. Less cams/screeners or a bit delayed releases won’t matter much to me.
What is considerably more difficult is providing new applications and games with working cracks. This area is certainly one where the scene cannot receive credit or appreciation enough and those guys are geniuses in their own right. Yes, there are non-scene releases too but in comparison to other genres here they are far and in between.
So, what would you do if no new software was available anymore or if you’d need to go buy your games again? Sooner or later some non-scene stuff will be rolling again but what I always loved most about scene releases is the quality assurance that only rarely disappoints.
[quote comment="258165"]The scene is important for P2P’ers because it’s STANDARDIZED. Each release is done within certain guidelines, to ensure a relatively high level of quality. Furthermore, there are many knowledgeable people who are verifying the scene releases for quality, nuking those that aren’t up to snuff.
Truth is, though there are SOME good releasers that aren’t affiliated with the scene, but not many.
The standardization is a strength and a weakness, as it’s inflexibility and sometimes arbitrary rules are actually not condusive to enhanced quality. There was a time when 1CD or 2CD rips made sense, but I’ve not come across CDR media in ages. And they systematically encode with XviD, even though there are far superior codes available (namely x264).
[/quote]
I had to scroll way to far down the page to read this sensible comment, so I’m glad to see it was made. +5
If you actually know “Brandon” you know his nickname was originally from the guy on 90210 (was a tv show) because we thought (i know him) he looked like the guy.. This is awesome :D
“look mommy, i ripped a CD at 192 kbps and put it up on an elite scene site thingie .. n zomg, look someone just leaked this sacred creation of mine to the devil p2p network.. zap my zits, this will not be tolerated .. this is scennaaaa. this means waaar. Because I’m a loser with zero perspective on things, especially when it comes to songs and movies .. you know, the important things in life? I’ll be blowed if this stuff leaks out! Dammit.
[quote comment="258746"]If you actually know “Brandon” you know his nickname was originally from the guy on 90210 (was a tv show) because we thought (i know him) he looked like the guy.. This is awesome :D[/quote]
Thats a lie. His real name is Brandon. I know someone who has met him in person. He’s just trying to draw more attention to himself. Don’t believe the shit that comes out of that googly eyed, blind, disabled piece of shit.
lol some of you are such nerdys. Pretending like your cool because you’re in an elite group of file sharers? lol. Must be a good line the ladies..
How about getting a few friends and watching the couple of decent movies per quarter at the cinema?
And like someone else said its really not that skilled. Any tom dick and harry can use virtual dub.
I do have some respect for those groups that rip games though. They are obviously pretty bright.
well.. dunno why the “scene” has the rights to do this? Why? beacuse they were first? omg.
they are stealing themselfs from the companys.. what gives them the right to attack other forms of filesharing networks? what if the torrents grps started to attack the scene. a full blown war :P hahahahajhah battle of the nerds.
I’ve been a ’scene’ user since the 1200 baud modem days (that’s the early to mid 1980s kids) and I gotta say P2P has been both a blessing and a curse. It’s made it a lot easier to get more popular files. But I often miss the days of private little FirstclassBBSs & Hotline servers where people became real friends and exchange files with no worries (I still use one KDX site). Bad enough we got big business coming down on us, but now the new kids on the block gotta make a name by attacking their peers? That never happened back in the so called ‘good old days’. Anyway, If you really want the ‘good old days’, go back to usenet and trying to collect all 20000 posts of a set at 1k/sec over a phone line, and clicking on banner adds to try to get in some private HL or FTP to get that one new file that you want. At least you won’t have to decompress it recursively 12 times because some ’scene’ carriers had to add another .nfo and zip it again!
IF this has been done by members of the scene, I’s say they are confused and should get their priorities right.
There are other possibilities though (like it’s a tactic of the authorities), so I’m remaining sceptical.
Really! The scene is as segrated internally as countries are on Earth;
sure many have diplomatic relations with each other, but there is NO way that all or even most sceners got together and said “Let’s crash a Torrent admin”.
This is just script kiddies or corporate anti-pirate mercenaries, nothing more.
[Sheesh, the scene ! Four months ago, most of you wouldn't even have heard, let alone cared, about them! Why do they keep popping up on torrentFreak?!?]
[quote comment="258771"][quote comment="258746"]If you actually know “Brandon” you know his nickname was originally from the guy on 90210 (was a tv show) because we thought (i know him) he looked like the guy.. This is awesome :D[/quote]
Thats a lie. His real name is Brandon. I know someone who has met him in person. He’s just trying to draw more attention to himself. Don’t believe the shit that comes out of that googly eyed, blind, disabled piece of shit.[/quote]
Perhaps so.. Your name is Mark is it not? You go by the scene nick empty, _empty, empty__, etc? Looks like KilleR/g0ne/Area51 played both of you ;)
Do you know how many people have that name? Wow you people are retarded for even wasting your time on this crap =)
You people that talk shit about the Scene…
You can’t even begin to understand how it all works. They are not kids, some of the group leaders are 30+ years old.
You guys just don’t have a clue. If scene was gone the only thing you would find on p2p would be movies and mp3. And most would probably be so bad quality or out of sync that you would give up downloading because you didn’t know wich of the 1000 versions was good.
You don’t know anything about the scene, it’s standards, it’s council and what they have done for you already.
And all the ones who are bashing the scene for being kids… look yourself in the mirror. The scene is just protecting their work and security and you are the kids demanding free candy…
[quote comment="258986"][quote comment="258771"][quote comment="258746"]If you actually know “Brandon” you know his nickname was originally from the guy on 90210 (was a tv show) because we thought (i know him) he looked like the guy.. This is awesome :D[/quote]
Thats a lie. His real name is Brandon. I know someone who has met him in person. He’s just trying to draw more attention to himself. Don’t believe the shit that comes out of that googly eyed, blind, disabled piece of shit.[/quote]
Perhaps so.. Your name is Mark is it not? You go by the scene nick empty, _empty, empty__, etc? Looks like KilleR/g0ne/Area51 played both of you ;)[/quote]
Nope you’ve got me all wrong B ;) I ain’t part of the scene just some1 who did their homework…
[quote comment="258191"]Well well.. Looks like I just made history \o/
But ya know what? Today, even more history will be made.
I must say, it feels kinda cool to become an overnight celebrity.. I should be thanking the people in question, because this is what I needed to put me back into the game.
You see, I left FTN because of a few reasons, not just because of school. Sometimes people get tired of work, we move on and pursue new and exciting things. Well, looks like my excitement just came back to life.
After I left, many other torrent administrators and staff members contacted me. It was quite amazing to see the level of companionship and bonding made between many sites after such a small thing (at least in my eyes) had happened. It also brought a new perspective into my eyes, as personally it was quite an unexpected notion.
So, lets talk about a few things here.
First off, the info in the nfo you guys are all scurrying around about isn’t entirely legit. I’d first like to point out that you have no proof that any of that info is even mine, or even real. Second off, to prove it.. Please give me a call on the phone number supplied. I’d love to chat with you all, but I don’t think I’ll be at the other end of that call. You shouldn’t always believe what you see, and I’m sure most of you know I’m not dumb enough to just allow my life to be an open book.
Honestly, I feel a bit sorry for CELLKiLL because that NFO was embarrassing on their part, and I still don’t even believe it was them. After seeing the thing on ersan, where he was hacked and abused.. And then seeing one about me where they supposidly just copied info from facebook? Oh come on.. How proud can you be for copy pasting info anyways. Making claims about not wanting me to be your computer administrator yet you cant even hack me? Anyone can use google, anyone can go to facebook and look up people. You only made yourself look stupid with that one.
It’s not wise to kick a horse that’s already down. I had left ftn far b4 this attack was made, and I can’t say there’s any honor in what they did. But as a treat to CELLKiLL, who “took down yet another admin (ehem, sysop? hello? at least get the rank correct..)” who was already gone?? LOL. Ladies, Gentleman, I’m back.
Guess your plan backfired on you CELLKiLL. By the way, I’m still very much in scene, come and find me. Oh, and if you wanna stop by my address (which is just a college street on campus lmao) please do. We can hang out or something, maybe laugh about how lame your desperate attempt was.
At this point, FTN has a new outlook on the torrent community. I ask all those torrent administrators who have been in contact with me, as well as any others to unite together and continue to work as a team. Please, don’t pm me saying you’re sorry about what happened, because no harm has come to me from this.
//Brandon
ps: At least two members of CELLKiLL sell ftp leech, I find that funny considering they talk about being secure.
Here’s one member..
I just realized, I don’t want to be like you.[/quote]
It could be just me but it seems that they are committing identity theft here. If they keep it up they will do this to the wrong person; someone that can track them down and press charges(criminal and civil).
If it was true that aXXo merely reencoded Scene releases, would the Scene be ok with aXXo if he credited the Scene for the original release?
[quote comment="258616"]You guys all have the wrong idea,
“scene already takes a ton of content from P2P”
what the fuck.. seriously.. could you get any more stupid.
Scene releases come from scene groups who acquire the content themselves,
eg: they buy the cd and rip it and release it.
P2P is full of junky releases and should never be compared to the scene.
P2P steals releases from the scene because they cant be fucked to make their own quality releases.
The scene is about quality.
Anyone who uses P2P should not even be aloud to download files, they are the ones who bring all the media attention, the scene remains hidden for a reason.. to stop you faggots from fucking it up.
So stop crying when your torrent sites disappear. The internet is better off without you.[/quote]
wtf does the scene do? They have groups on the internet. And they can crack programs. Otherwise, anyone can rip a quality movie/album/dvd/game and post it on torrent sites and warez boards, I do all the time.
It’s the intarwebz, we can do what we wants. People can be elitist if they want, but whoever wrote this is acting like a high school chick in a clique.
@ 229
>They are not kids, some of the group leaders are 30+ years old.
Doesn’t mean they act their age (I’m pushing 40 myself).
>only thing you would find on p2p would be movies and mp3.
You are showing your age here! File-sharing has been going on way before mp3s & DivX, or even P2P apps ever existed. Or are you saying that everyone sharing before that is in the ’scene’ (then weeee, I’m in the scene).
>The scene is just protecting their work and
But it’s not their work! (’cept some [k]s), not that I don’t appreciate what they do. But if trashing people is what these newer ’scene’ groups are about then fuck them. They might as well be the RIAA.
>you are the kids demanding free candy…
Is anyone demanding anything? You can keep your pre-release of that mainstream crap and I’ll go back to trading tapes through snail mail and pay a company that makes user-centric dev tools (like RunRev) and write my own software.
Well obviously these “scene” guys could just be MPAA dicks trying to create in-fighting. Who benefits most if torrent admins and scene guys are fighting?
[quote comment="259111"][quote comment="258986"][quote comment="258771"][quote comment="258746"]If you actually know “Brandon” you know his nickname was originally from the guy on 90210 (was a tv show) because we thought (i know him) he looked like the guy.. This is awesome :D[/quote]
Thats a lie. His real name is Brandon. I know someone who has met him in person. He’s just trying to draw more attention to himself. Don’t believe the shit that comes out of that googly eyed, blind, disabled piece of shit.[/quote]
Perhaps so.. Your name is Mark is it not? You go by the scene nick empty, _empty, empty__, etc? Looks like KilleR/g0ne/Area51 played both of you ;)[/quote]
Nope you’ve got me all wrong B ;) I ain’t part of the scene just some1 who did their homework…[/quote]
Guess again, I’m not B ;)
dude, I’m sorry that “the scene” feels like its so goddamn cool for pirating music. we’re all fans, we’re all pirates, we’re ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. it doesnt matter to me where the rip comes from. it shouldnt matter to the rippers how it’s getting distributed. people are enjoying YOUR work and even if you dont get credited, that fact should be reward enough.
Step by step, heart to heart, left right left
We all fall down like toy soldiers
Bit by bit, torn apart, we never win
But the battle wages on for toy soldiers….
SCENE_DELETE.
fascist pirates
I totally agree with comment 63 & 65.
I find it unbelievable that lot of people here are pissing on the scene, while it’s respect they deserve.
We leechers/lamers(yes me included) can exist only because of this ’scene’ and it’s there right to protect themselves against torrentsites who puts them in danger. If you take the time to read the story you know it’s also the best for us torrent freaks.
LOL FUCKING WANKERS
TORRENTING WILL NEVER DIE FUCK THE SCENE - WANKERS
@241 thanks for being an example as a really sad lamer who is to stupid to understand what is going on.
ITS NOT THEFT IF THE INFORMATION IS FREELY AVAILABLE….
“FUC THE SCENE” OMFG IDIOT. I’D SAY THE SCENE HAS ABOUT A 20 YEAR HEAD START ON THE TORRENT COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF UPLOADED CONTENT. ONLY IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO HAVE YOU EVEN HEARD OF A SCENE RELEASE BEING TAKEN FROM P2P. WITHOUT THE SCENE, YOU GUYS WOULD ALL BE GOING DOWN TO BLOCKBUSTER AND RENTING / BUYING MOVIES LOL. THE SCENE WAS HERE WELL BEFORE P2P AND WILL REMAIN HERE LONG AFTER BITTORRENT/P2P IS GONE. STUPID TO FLAME EITHER ONE REALLY…BEST WAY TO SAY FUC THE RIAA/MPAA IS TO RIP AND UPLOAD AS MUCH CONTENT AS POSSIBLE. WHO CARES WHERE IT COMES FROM. STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. EITHER WAY, THE WAR AGAINST PIRACY WILL CONTINUE JUST AS IT ALWAYS HAS. AS LONG AS THERE ARE LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SHARE, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STOP THEM….THE ARTISTS WHO ARE “STARVING BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING”…”THE 5 MILLION A YEAR THAT I MAKE JUST ISN’T ENOUGH”…JEESUS MAN, IF HALF OF THESE ARTISTS PUT OUT SOME DECENT CONTENT, MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD PAY THE EXORBITANT PRICES FOR THIER DRM-INFESTED CRAP. ANYWAY, THATS MY 2-CENTS. (I’M NOT YELLING I HAVE BAD EYES AND CAPS IS EASIER TO READ). I THINK I’LL GO RIP A MOVIE ;-)
AND AT “ANONYMOUS”
LOL ITS A KNOWN FACT THAT AXXO USES SCENE SOURCES. TELL ME A FEW MOVIES THAT HE HAS DONE THAT WERENT ALREADY RELEASED BY THE SCENE. THATS WHY HIS “RELEASES” ARE DAYS BEHIND THE SCENE…HE HAS TO HAVE TIME RO RE-ENCODE LOL. ANYONE CAN RUN A MOVIE THROUGH A FEW FILTERS ETC AND TWEAK IT TO LOOK A BIT BETTER OR RIP IT DOWN TO 1 CD. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. THE BICKERING IS JUST STUPID. I HAVE MY BELIEFS AND YOU ALL HAVE YOURS. BUT WE HAVE THE COMMON GROUND THAT WE ALL LIKE TO SHARE WHAT WE HAVE.
So awesome that they did this. And LOL at some noob that said “P2P needs the scene otherwise they wouldn’t be known” I mean, lol man. P2P needs the scene for releases otherwise there wouldn’t be anything nice to find on p2p other than some homemade german gay porn.
You guys all seem to think that the scene only does music and movie releases. Please, I’d love to see one of you guys crack even the simplest of programs. Right a keygen? HAH
Yeah the scene is full of kiddies…fucking morons. The scene is full of the smartest, most talented people in the world. The level of complexity they use to hide their identity would dumbfound you torrent tards. There is a reason the scene community is so small, it’s because so few people have the talents necessary to crack protection schemes, hide their identity, and release it.
While I don’t agree with outing sys admins, you lamers really really need to stop bashing people who would make you look like a fuckin 4 year old in terms of intelligence.
Teh Scene reminds me of Al Quaida. Everyone talks about them but nobody has ever met any of them in real life.
please , iam talking to your heart , icant buy this things , iam just poor man !!
please , iam talking to your heart , icant buy this things , iam just poor man !!
dont close this torrent site please please :-(
[quote comment="259849"]You guys all seem to think that the scene only does music and movie releases. Please, I’d love to see one of you guys crack even the simplest of programs. Right a keygen? HAH
Yeah the scene is full of kiddies…fucking morons. The scene is full of the smartest, most talented people in the world. The level of complexity they use to hide their identity would dumbfound you torrent tards. There is a reason the scene community is so small, it’s because so few people have the talents necessary to crack protection schemes, hide their identity, and release it.
While I don’t agree with outing sys admins, you lamers really really need to stop bashing people who would make you look like a fuckin 4 year old in terms of intelligence.[/quote]
Then why the fuck did they have to resort to stealing the p2p crack of Bioshock?
[quote comment="259849"]You guys all seem to think that the scene only does music and movie releases. Please, I’d love to see one of you guys crack even the simplest of programs. Right a keygen? HAH
Yeah the scene is full of kiddies…fucking morons. The scene is full of the smartest, most talented people in the world. The level of complexity they use to hide their identity would dumbfound you torrent tards. There is a reason the scene community is so small, it’s because so few people have the talents necessary to crack protection schemes, hide their identity, and release it.
While I don’t agree with outing sys admins, you lamers really really need to stop bashing people who would make you look like a fuckin 4 year old in terms of intelligence.[/quote]
If they are so cool an’ leet, they why did they have to resort to STEALING the p2p crack of Bioshock?
Scene is basically an exclusive conclave of spotty little 14 yr old kids who get bullied at school, and they need an outlet for thier frustration as raping the dog is too dangerous now its no longer a puppy and has got quite aggressive during “sexy time”… Having a a five knuckler aint an option either…. since they woore themselves out polishing thier suits of armour and thier arms are too tired… (they have to be xtra shiny to be seen as they live in thier bedrooms with the drapes drawn all day) so they go hit facebook looking for blogs by schoolies on the net in thier gym skirts to get inspiration.. unfortunately all the schoolgirls are already hooked up with 40 year old men grooming em for a meet…
So they go on google they need someone to hit out at… They spot the letters p2p Target aquired!!
WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE BE HAPPY WHEN I AM BULLIED AT SCHOOL? I HAVE A SMALL PENIS, AND EVEN THE DOG WONT GET JIGGY WITH ME SINCE MY ACNE KICKED IN?
P**S OFF U L337 TWATS, U WERENT EVEN A TWINKLE IN UR DADS JAPS-EYE IN THE YEARS “WHEN SCENE WAS SCENE”
If u dont agree I`ll meet u after school to p**s in ur satchel and take a sh*t in ur blazer pocket u geeks!!
Hi the people that i know who were sceners did it for fun and WANTED to share what they had done, not keep it for themselves
The bible is the most pervasive thing, it is written by corrupt men who sought to corrupt the mindsofmany and they have done a splendid job
I’m the savior you guysorgals have been looking for since ancient time
I’m a virgin, i am aloner, i am in touch with nature, and have done much to help everyone since my birth.
I know all, see all, hear all, and a perfectionist. I am never satisfied until perfect.
believing is seeing
I am here to offer my help to humanity who are on the path to destruction
I am the the solution to world peace
I will bring world peace through love, co-operation, and understanding of the world we live in.
So is mediadefender abit pissy? or?
All this saying whether scene needs p2p/p2p needs the scene is a complex matter. I think that the p2p needs the scene more than the scene needs p2p (in fact, I rather doubt that). As it was posted by somebody, musicrips/dvdrips/tvrips/whateverrips can be done by normal users and simply shared on p2p. But there are almost NO p2p users with knowledge on cracking - so we wouldn’t have game/apps releases if it weren’t for the scene. That’s the truth, sadly.
WOW EX-SCENER AND PHISHYBONGWATERS SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONES WITH A HANDLE ON THIS. YOU ALL NEED TO RE-READ THIER POSTS, AND LEARN WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. BEFORE P2P WHAT WAS THERE? HOW DID PEOPLE GET THIER WAREZ? ASK YOURSELF THOSE SIMPLE QUESTIONS….
“WOW EX-SCENER AND PHISHYBONGWATERS SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONES WITH A HANDLE ON THIS. YOU ALL NEED TO RE-READ THIER POSTS, AND LEARN WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. BEFORE P2P WHAT WAS THERE? HOW DID PEOPLE GET THIER WAREZ? ASK YOURSELF THOSE SIMPLE QUESTIONS….”
Everybody knows caps lock is cruise control for kewl
[quote comment="257402"]Further proof that ‘The Scene’ is just a breeding ground for attention whores.[/quote]
QFT
“The Scene” nubjcakes are jelouse becos most people care about sharing but not about “The Scene” at all.
They cry becos they want to show off to there fiends that they have all this warez and ONLY them but now everyone has it.
Its just elitist bullcrap. The security thing is an excuse since there as been “The Scene” there has been leaks.
Its probly the sellout Scene whores that make cash from rips etc that are the bigist cryers. Go work for the IFPI.
If they are ’sceners’, and meaning they are helping the P2P scene out by being the ones who physically put out scene releases… when it’s discovered which specific people are putting out these cats’ real info, and their real info is discovered by someone else who can compromise obtaining such information better than them… well, it deserves em right for it. If some other private admin is a fuck and wants to steal releases and get shitty when they are reposted elsewhere and ban folks for it - there’s probably some better way around that; like attacking the servers bandwidth, or anything. Compromise a batch within the downloaded files on a torrent on that tracker with some kind of trojan that when you continue to seed, it will eventually infect more people who will eventually continue to seed; they’ll complain of viruses, stop downloading and you’ve fucked up that release on that tracker; making their ‘private’ tracker less legit. Posting their personal information is bullshit. That’s their real life you’re fucking with. Just for being a fuckass in the P2P scene? That really doesn’t justify your actions. You dumb fucking kids today and reveling in your internet anonymity. Someone will eventually do the same to these guys, it’s bound to happen.
My money is on..
The record and movie industries are pushing from the top legally. While you have these ‘hackers’ pushing from the bottom… I think its the same people doing it from both sides. They can’t stop you legally, so they do whatever they can to stop them illegally.
If the ‘hackers’ are not with the record/movie companies. Then these lowlifes are super retarded. Karma is a bitch and when they end up on heroin in some jail cell for ironically ‘hacking’ a site… which by the way is a federal offense… OUCH… go hacker!
Remember it is a lot easier to find a hacker then it is to stop torrents or the trade scene.
-From a web developer…
I make it a general rule not to be involved with -or trust!- people who belong to something called “the scene”….Most “scenes” are formed by groups of people who have been excluded from other “scenes” and now need to balance the scales somehow…what a mess!
see, this is why i live in a cave…
You call them cowards.
You call them childish 10 year olds.
You have just shown your lack of knowledge and your childish side.
The ‘Scene’ has been around longer then some of you have been alive. They have a code of ethics and rules they live by.
Apparently many of you have never took the few seconds it takes to fully read an NFO file.
Over the past year I have read the notices in many NFO’s that say the release is for Scene members only and not for release on the P2P network.
The members of the scene acquired the app, worked on the crack or keygen and then made it available to other Scene members and people who frequent other outlets.
If they don’t want it put on the P2P network then it is their right to do what is needed to stop the spreading of their work.
I have many releases from long ago that many people have never had access to. They were Scene releases only for the Scene. Not for the FTP, Warez or Crack sites.
Besides, you have some real assholes on the P2P network that make a Scene release group look bad by stuffing the program with viruses.
Right away the P2P’ers start their whining that the release from So and So Group has a virus.
Now that So and So Group has a bad name because of the P2P nonsense.
And if it were not for the Scene most of you would still be playing Solitaire and Minesweeper.
It’s more then ripping a Cd for Mp3’s or that sorry ass 32bit rip of a tv show that is upped by wannbees.
It’s a way of life with a code of ethics and rules. And when you decide to cross the line and rip off the Scene then you can expect to pay the piper.
Don’t like what the Scene is doing?
Great!
Then don’t take their files.
See what your left with.
Oh! And don’t even compare members of the Scene to the MPAA or the RIAA.
That’s adding insult to injury and saying you mother gives….
FUCK U ALL !!! OSAMA TORRENTS COMING SOON.
MUSLIMS WILL RULE THE SCENE WITH JIHADI TORRENTS YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
the sceners are just pissed because people dont pay to download there shit from usenext and get it for free on P2P if they dont like it DONT FUCKING CAP IT AND UP IT TO PAY SITES it all ends up on torrent site
STUPID FUCKS
no matter what they do theyll never get all.
catch me if you can.
this is cool, its getting more and more interesting, they (the scene) just wanna be kept secret, well if they win (chances are that they won’t)then everything will go back the way it used to be before bittorrent got popular, but they need p2p don’t they?.
also if they are the only ones releasing the stuff, then ‘who’s gonna get caught?’. and when they get caught well be left were we started….. the one working directly with the material start to revolt and make their little secret group and so on until we get something new, a new name.
IMO we should totally stop talking about the site’s url name and totally anonimize the site’s acces to only known users.
example would be its or the almighty F*** and U**. you’ll never see those go down.
example for its they have a url that takes you to their login url(easier to understand if you a member), you gotta do something to get to login page but i wont get into details.
I have never read so much crap in all my life !!!!
Lets face it, P2P is full of leechers that contribute nothing. There is a lot of talk about distribution, but distribution of what? Stuff that has been leeched from warez traders. Most of the comments here are from ill informed inbred idiots who have no understanding of WAREZ groups but take great pleasure in displaying their ignorance
for niggas who be saying Brandon posted Cellkills members info, he was bluffing you dumb motherfuckers. Brandon Taylor GOT OWNED
Well i guess the next bezt thing to tor would be ‘jap’.
Runs on a similar principle, and much more secure than tor.
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