Australian Web and BitTorrent Filtering Scheme Delayed
Written by enigmax on December 26, 2008The proposed Australian Internet filter is causing controversy before it even gets off the ground. The trial, which is to include attempted BitTorrent blocking, was due to start two days ago but generating further embarrassment for the government and surprising no-one, it failed to launch.
Trials for the ‘great firewall of Australia’ were due to start a couple of days ago but adding to other concerns, the testing has been delayed. Developed ostensibly for the protection of minors, there is widespread concern that not only will it fail in its stated primary aim, but will affect regular net users from going about their business by slowing everything down. The government even plans to attempt the blocking of BitTorrent traffic.
According to a report, the Federal Opposition says it is “not surprised” that the government’s filtering scheme has been delayed. The latest update is that the trial will commence mid-January 2009, with the ISPs involved being announced at the same point.
iiNet, one of Australia’s largest ISPs, has been most vocal about the minimal chances of success for the filtering scheme, even going as far as to say that it was only participating in the trials to show that it will fail. iiNet chief Michael Malone even labeled the architect of the plan, Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy, as “the worst Communications Minister we’ve had in the 15 years since the [Internet] industry has existed.”
An Australian Senate member since July 1993 and previously the Shadow Minister for Defense, Nick Minchin is the Shadow Minister for Broadband and he believes that the filtering system would drastically slow down the Internet.
He told ABC, “The laboratory trial that the Government conducted this year showed potential effect on speed of up to 87 per cent slowdown in the speed of the internet, he said, adding “And this is from the Government that wants to install a National Broadband Network so we can all have high speed broadband.”
“I think that’s a major flaw in the scheme but there are many, many others.”
So, three weeks from now the trial is supposed to start. It won’t take a fourth week to realize that it is doomed to fail.
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when did the TF say that this was to start (including users) today or yesterday?
Whilst I'm not a fan of this policy whatsoever I'd hardly call Rudd a moron – or anyone else that's manouvered their way into leading a political party – and presuming that the people who voted him in are any less intelligent than you is a bit much.
Thing to consider before banning bittorrent traffic "Torrents are also used for legal purposes"
What freedom???
Things like this should cause opposition, not mere controversy.
That is because it is the same truth which I state. Truth is something that remains constant, although sometimes with temporal dependence, but constant all the same.
I don't advertise any website called "10 chan." I do have a website, but it is not called "10 chan."
Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy, is “the worst Communications Minister in 15 years.
The rare ones who can make a "real" difference will not play the political game for a lot of very good reasons.Hopefully Right will beat Might in the end……………
and when they do it i shall tell every australian how to defeat it……muhahaha
We will take pride in being on of the first teams to break this filter. What they build we will tear down.
No one owns the internet, and we will prove that this is out of there control.
Mid-January… interesting timing. Someone from Australia should clarify/verify, but up north, that's when Winter Break ends and everyone goes back to school to use their networks. It being summer in the southern hemisphere, I don't know when break ends, but if it is about the same time, they may well use that to report success…
the wild west didn't stay wild forever. eventually the law came to town and the bandits and bushwhackers (freetards) were forced back to the shadows from whence they came. they still exist to this day of course, just not out in the open, parading around, shooting off their pistols whenever they please because now there are repercussions.
same thing with the internet.
The FREE LUNCH MOVEMENT to which you all belong is anti-commerce and anti-industry. the people in power across the globe are pro-commerce and pro-industry. this will be an uphill battle for you the entire way. there is no end in sight.
the hardiest of nerds will always pirate, nothing anyone can do to stop it. when someone is completely unburdened by a healthy social life they have all the time in the world to find the entertainment companies realize this, i'm sure. their plan is to make sure filestealing on a massive scale goes back to being a niche activity rather than the mainstream ascension it is currently.
i wish them all the best on that front.
whoops! weird missing text…
Should read: "when someone is completely unburdened by a healthy social life they have all the time in the world to find ways around any online obstacle."
This is like banning scotch in a liquor store just because some people abuse it. They want to protect kids, educate the parents and don’t allow the kids to browse the net without supervision if they are that young! Install Net-Nanny or something similar that blocks inappropriate sites etc, it’s not the ISPs roll to monitor the users. It should be the parents roll to monitor their kids. As if the speeds here aren’t slow enough already compared to the rest of the world, up to 87% reduction in speed! Not to mention they block BitTorrent…I hope Vuze sues them for this, wait no…bad idea cause we’ll be paying for it from our taxes. The same taxes funding this great plan that will without a doubt fail. $30 mill now that could (start to) help fix the education system and hospitals. Conroy must be living under a big rock if he thinks this is in anyway going to work. Time for a new government already…
I swear, you say the same thing every time. It seems as if you are on a script or something. Do you ever say anything new? And you don't make any sense either. Like this for example:
"the people in power across the globe are pro-commerce and pro-industry" – no, they are only pro-industry to the extent that it is good rather than bad. Otherwise, they would have continued to promote the tobacco industry.
"I swear, you say the same thing every time. It seems as if you are on a script or something."
that is absolutely hilarious coming from you.
i second that, Roze you say the same thing in different words all the time.
What I wanna know is.. why do advertise such a horrible website? 10 chan? Reminds me of AOL days.
Way to go Australia. Isn't there some sort of, I dunno, 'financial crisis' at the moment? Gee, I can't think of a better way to waste millions, than on something that people will find, within a few days, a way around.
Remind me again how these guys got into power?
That is because it is the same truth which I state.
I don't advertise any website called "10 chan."
That is because it is the same truth which I state.
I don't advertise any website called "10 chan."
That’s unacceptable. The Companies will not be pleased.
In all my years of browsing the web since AOL 3.0 I have never “stumbled upon” CP or similar content. Everything I have viewed has been what I have been looking for. Any action like this will take the less desired spaces of the tubes to further and seedier depths.
Leave the internets alone and let the users govern what they create and look at.
wohooo!! hope the ausiees live in freedom!
This is Roze is a nutshell,
The Straw Man fallacy,
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position"
The Questionable Cause fallacy,
"The Questionable Cause Fallacy is actually a general type of fallacy. Any causal fallacy that involves an error in a reasoning due to a failure to adequately investigate the suspected cause is a fallacy of this type"
The Appeal to Popularity fallacy,
"The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim"
Biased Sample fallacy,
"This fallacy is committed when a person draws a conclusion about a population based on a sample that is biased or prejudiced in some manner"
Appeal to Ridicule fallacy,
"The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument.""
Appeal to Common Practice fallacy,
"The basic idea behind the fallacy is that the fact that most people do X is used as "evidence" to support the action or practice. It is a fallacy because the mere fact that most people do something does not make it correct, moral, justified, or reasonable"
Poisoning The Well,
"This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person." <- "omg your a plant" ect.
And finaly, the Two Wrongs Make a Right fallacy, "
Two Wrongs Make a Right is a fallacy in which a person "justifies" an action against a person by asserting that the person would do the same thing to him/her, when the action is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A. This fallacy has the following pattern of "reasoning"
Far from speaking the truth, you speak nothng but crap, over and over and over and over.
This is Roze is a nutshell,
The Straw Man fallacy,
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position"
The Questionable Cause fallacy,
"The Questionable Cause Fallacy is actually a general type of fallacy. Any causal fallacy that involves an error in a reasoning due to a failure to adequately investigate the suspected cause is a fallacy of this type"
The Appeal to Popularity fallacy,
"The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim"
Biased Sample fallacy,
"This fallacy is committed when a person draws a conclusion about a population based on a sample that is biased or prejudiced in some manner"
Appeal to Ridicule fallacy,
"The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument.""
Appeal to Common Practice fallacy,
"The basic idea behind the fallacy is that the fact that most people do X is used as "evidence" to support the action or practice. It is a fallacy because the mere fact that most people do something does not make it correct, moral, justified, or reasonable"
Poisoning The Well,
"This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person." <- "omg your a plant" ect.
And finaly, the Two Wrongs Make a Right fallacy, "
Two Wrongs Make a Right is a fallacy in which a person "justifies" an action against a person by asserting that the person would do the same thing to him/her, when the action is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A."
Far from speaking the truth, you speak nothng but crap, over and over and over and over.
Hey mate,
Our summer school holidays started on the 9th December (private schools) and on the 19th for public schools… And we all go back to school on the 1st of February or some time around then… So this trial will take place smack bang in the middle of the school holidays.
Don't worry about the filtering at scjool – that's BEYOND FILTERING. It's absurd…
Godammit I hate being Australian at times. Can't believe I find myself in agreement with a statement from Nick Minchkin, that's a first.
What a complete waste of time and money…
the krudd filter will fail. more so than bush
Welcome to a Brave New World, Huxley style…
iiNet is my ISP and glad they are standing up against this madness…
We'll all know stfu/ freetard/ reasoned mind are the same tool posting their social engineering which they have been paid to do. You have don't have pull here & thats out in the open for the rest of the readers here to see. That post right there proves your a plant, everything you say proves your a plant, so if you want keep repeating yourself so are we. Were actually telling the truth though, all your doing is trying to do is come up with more lies & more social engineering to make the readers think your not a plant, your a plant your a plant your a mafiaa plant your a riaa plant your a mpaa plant.
Suckers of satans c__k each & every one of your aliases…..
hahahahahahahahahaaa
when did the government say that this was to start (including users) today or yesterday?
The government was supposed to start TRIALLING it around now, and that was WITHOUT the inclusion of internet customers!. It was supposed t be an internal trial with the participating ISPs.
Where are you getting your facts from Torrentfreak? I used to read your articles with the hope that you knew what you were talking about but with this and a few recent articles, I'm beginning to think you are just listening to hearsay.
Pick up your game.
fuck yeah, no filters…. yet. I would go insane when these filters come in. We are getting nowhere by slowing the internet with filters and trying to speed it up with the National Broadband Network…. epic failure from the government.
Guess some Aussies are going island crazy… what a waste of roughly 30mil.
That same money could have been spent on getting better speeds, education of parents to install software on their home machine etc etc… heck even to save the coral reefs/dolphins/whales/sponsor kids in less well to do countries… the list goes on and on.
Its always the case, morons get elected into office because they can convince other morons they are the best, but the ones who can actually make a change… cant play the political dirty games required or get eaten up by the slime already there.
Take care my Aussie pals, we know how you are feeling, we have a dumb bitch in office here as well (Beatrice Ask)..
http://www.eZee.se
Got some Australian friends who play world of warcraft, guess how they get updates ? only via Bittorrent, they have been told by their government that all torrents are bad and illegal and looks like they are going to be banned from the game due to not being able to get updated clients…
Australia ROCKS!
Like I give a crap if you think I'm a plant. I just sit here and lol because you're that stupid and paranoid that no one can have a different opinion than you without apparently being paid by the man. You're pathetic really and if the rest of the freetard brigade are as smart as you then the music and movie industry have little to worry about. Those of us with some intelligence and the ability to think critically will keep eating them alive while you bunch of whiners just carry on whining while achieving nothing except showing the rest of the world that p2p has its fair share of idiots. I doubt you even read my last post, becuase you are affraid of actually learning something about reasoned debate, and the difference between truth and fallacy. Carry on being a retard, makes no difference to me.
The only thing that this proves is that you know how to search the phrase "logical fallacies" on Google, and copy paste some words from http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/onto here. Moreover, for someone who has been reading upon logical fallacies, you sure have not been paying attention to your own. Hint: next time, point out the other person's fallacies rather than simply make the unsupported assertion that the other person has, indeed, committed such a fallacy. If you think that my statements are incorrect, then if you want to disprove them, then you should address them directly, something which you have not yet done. For example, you have not addressed my statement that governments are pro-industry only to the extent to which they do not cause harm; otherwise, they would have continued to support the tobacco industry.
In fact, you have not pointed out how any of my arguments have contained any of the aforementioned logical fallacies. The fact that copyright is essentially a control on what people are allowed to think remains a fact: that it prohibits people from replicating or transferring ideas or thoughts, either in a CD, hard drive, or other media, or in one's own mind – for example, by memorizing a song and performing it, which is prohibited by copyright – which essentially goes against freedom of expression and freedom of thought.
Yep, I too have read this a couple of times… seems like a copy-paste job.. and wishful thinking ;)
Goddamnit guys. I’m pretty sure they’re just looking at filtering torrents, not blocking them altogether.
Either way it doesn’t matter, because I think that Mr Conroy should shove his filters up his arse.
Offshore VPN FTW
Well, it sure seems like you care enough, or are worried enough to stay on this blog and carry on the discussion.
It is not that one cannot have a different opinion without being paid; rather, it is that one cannot have an opinion which is clearly false, which only someone out of their mind would have – without being paid. The fact is that you clearly have no case for your position, and it would make no sense for anyone to posit such a position for so long without being paid.
By the way, discussion, or "whining" as you call it, is not fruitless, since the exchange of ideas between people is very important.
FreeTard/stfu/exct is im sure the same tard i have seen on a stack of other sites forums saying the same basic shit over and over, he/she is eather 1. employed by the mafiaa or 2. somebody who makes money from adds and by selling content other people make/create.
I saw almost the exect same post a wile back about adblocking, how its anti industry/commerce, when the fact is most ppl wouldnt block adds if they wherent so damn annoing, we already pay to have internet why should we have to deal with annoing flash/shock adds when doing it?
I pirat stuff, Not gonna say i dont, but fact is when i pirat stuff Its normaly because i REFUSE to buy it thanks to limmitations like EA games where i can only install the game 3-5 times b4 i get the fun of BEGGING EA to let me have "one more please" (utter bullshit!!!!!)
these copyright laws need to be revised to keep up with the times and socity, content makers can still make BANK selling their wares be it moveis, music, games/programs or whatever It is a FALICY that these companys are being killed by piracy If you make a ggood product and price it so that people can afford it IT WILL SELL, looks at sins of a solar empire, NO DRM, avalable on damn neer any torrent/ed2k site, yet its sold MILLONS of copys, infact many "pirats" have bought it same with Oblivion, hell i know ppl that HATE the game who bought it because it was DRM free and they waned to support that!!!!
Of course you give a crap if i think your a plant your still commenting here. Here comes some more social engineering "you're paranoid" ooohh you must not be a plant its just my paranoia hahahahahaha. Movie/Music industry has nothing to worry about you fool, it's the mpaa/riaa that are worried & their employees namely YOU. Yes you do eat the industries alive don't you once you fill them full of FUD then claim to protect their rights with a farcical law which is only aimed at making money off them & taking away their rights. Achieving nothing….we are achieving plenty, otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. I read your last post & laughed so hard, poisoning the well aaahahahahahahaha been on google have you. We are here cause we want to be here, you are here cause you are made & paid to be here. It is plain as day in your posts, if you weren't paid to be here you wouldn't be here posting your negative comments about file sharing.
Suck that big scaly pecker…SUCK IT!
It amazes me how the government always finds convenient ways to waste money on things like a filter for the internet (as if Australia and the world doesn't have more important issues) but for things that people need or care about, there isn't enough money. Why not put the millions of dollars wasted in this into education, health care, infrastructure… something that has a purpose?
With Stephen Harper and the Conservatives in power here in Canada, I fear that we'll be seeing this here soon. That, and the new copyright law and that stupid bill that was supposed to make unlocking your GSM cell phone illegal.
Ahh government. You never cease to amaze me.
"all your doing is trying to do is come up with more lies & more social engineering to make the readers think your not a plant, your a plant your a plant your a mafiaa plant your a riaa plant your a mpaa plant."
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the only things this tells me is you have a sub-high school education.
the word is "you're".
aaaaahahahahahhahahaaha you should know as Roze already corrected you freetard/ stfu/ retarded mind, didn't think i saw that did you, poor boy. Just goes to show you didn't make it out of kindergarten. Couldn't help yourself could you, had to post under your aliases & not directly reply to my comment just to try & make us all think you didn't respond.
That ego is getting pretty bruised isn't it
You lose again donkey, try dropping free off your name hahahahahaha
Say hi to satan & don't forget to do that special thing he likes.
Such truth should shake the very souls of all those who set their eyes upon it. Sadly this will not occur, for the very same reasons which spurred Roze to type this comment in the first place. It's a sad world we live in today and the outlook is bleak indeed. Many victims of the holocaust allowed fear and denial to overtake them, and this ultimately resulted in their most untimely deaths under terrible circumstances.
Will we learn from history and will we heed the advice of those who witnessed or even experienced such atrocities? It appears we will not, and by ignoring these points we damn ourselves as well as our children to lives of slave labor at best, or at worst horrific suffering and premature death.
It is my hope that millions begin to awaken from their privileged slumbers, even as a large portion of the globe starves to death for no reason other than to increase the profits of a few U.S. and British corporations. I say, if there is a 'god' or higher consciousness, may it help us all. We're in a lot of trouble.
No wonder… Our prime minister speaks Chinese, Australia has tightened relationships with China, and now we are going to have a great firewall of Down_Under, similar to the great firewall of China, only this one will be approached with different attitude: she'll be right mate, from ever taking it easy Aussies.
Good work Australia.
is'nt it caNTONEese?
These guys are soooo afraid not to lose control of the propaganda machine it's not funny.
Currently in Australia there is a media monopoly (Rupert Murdoch & Co) and it's very easy for the government to brainwash the population.
They'll do it any cost. Guess who'll be implementing the filtering and will be in charge of what goes on the "list" – the Australian Federal Police. They will be logging user's online behavior etc apart of restricting access to sites they find a threat.
Bravo Australia you are leading the way to fascism. The lucky country – what a joke.
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