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Seized Sports Streaming Site Makes a Blazing Comeback

Firstrow, one of the sites that had several of its domain names seized by the Feds yesterday, is furious at the US Government. Convinced that the service they are providing does not violate the law, the site continues to operate under a new domain name. One of the owners told TorrentFreak that they don’t intend to stop until a court shuts them down.

sportsrowYesterday, several sports streaming sites had their domain names seized by the Department of Justice and Homeland Security’s ICE unit.

Leading up to the Super Bowl this weekend, a total of 307 domain names were seized, 16 of which provided access to online streams of popular sporting events.

Commenting on the actions, ICE Director John Morton was quick to declare victory, but perhaps this came a little too soon. Firstrow, one of the largest sites which had several of its domains taken over by the US government, is not planning to give up the ‘battle’ anytime soon.

Quickly after its firstrow.tv, firstrowsports.tv, firstrowsports.net and firstrowsports.com domains were seized, the service was operating as normal under a new domain – Firstrowsports.eu. Talking to TorrentFreak, one of the owners said that the US has stepped out of line by simply taking away their property.

“The US has prided itself on their ‘innocent before proven guilty’ mantra, yet is clearly hypocritical when it comes to this,” the Firstrow co-owner told us. “Numerous times the US has seized domains, before the defendants have been proven guilty in a court of law.”

“What is the point of trying to approve SOPA and PIPA if they do the same without these laws,” he questioned, referring to the pending US bills that would make it even easier to seize allegedly infringing domains.

The response of Firstrow stands in sharp contrast with that of ICE Director John Morton yesterday.

“In sports, players must abide by rules of the game, and in life, individuals must follow the laws of the land. Our message is simple: abiding by intellectual property rights laws is not optional; it’s the law,” Morton said.

This comment forms the base of the dispute. What is the law of the land? The people who operate Firstrow don’t live in the US, and neither are their servers located there. In fact, Firstrow says that their site is perfectly legal where they are based, so they will continue business as usual.

“Since we don’t live in a third-world country here, the courts decide if something is illegal not the entertainment industry lobbies. We will continue until a court decides that the site is illegal, but for now we’ve seen three court decisions on this matter that say it is not.”

Firstrow’s co-owner is referring to the court cases in Spain, where sites that merely link to copyrighted works have been declared legal. Rojadirecta, a site very similar to Firstrow, won in Spanish courts twice.

In the US, however, things work differently. Two operators of streaming sites have already been arrested and await criminal trials. And if the domains are linked to foreigners, the US believes it has the authority to take them over if they are deemed to infringe copyrights.

This stance has raised eyebrows among foreign governments. A few months ago the European Parliament adopted a resolution which criticized US domain name seizures. According to the resolution these measures need to be countered as they endanger “the integrity of the global internet and freedom of communication.”

Yesterday’s actions show that the US authorities are not impressed by the international critique, just as Firstrow refuses to change course after yet another domain seizure. Firstrow says ICE is wasting its time and continues to provide access to sports fans all across the world, who are otherwise unable to see their beloved games.

“ICE must have a lot of spare time if they can waste it on these domain seizures,” Firstrow’s co-owner says. “They should invest time in the real important stuff , instead of chasing people who have no other option than to watch a sports game for free.”

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  • Jack

    They should change from .EU to .CH as that is the safest TLD (ie. wikileaks.ch)

    • Alistair Kirton

      Yes .EU domains can be shut down too easily like myp2p.eu was.
      Big streaming site 1channel.ch & letmewatchthis.ch has been up for a long time

      • Ashamed

        “This stance has raised eyebrows among foreign governments.”

        And foreign governments should be concerned. When the America runs out of virtual domains to seize, they’ll surely be emboldened enough to turn their eye on physical ones. Then what are you going to do? No amount of domain changing will help you then, unless you start doing some seizing of your own.

        Of course it’s hard to blame the US government. After all if you thought you had a real chance at successfully taking over the world, wouldn’t you give it your best attempt? You might think I’m joking, but look at the history of their military conflicts and the justification they’ve made up to justify each of them.

        Mark my words, some day the corporations are going to be the ones in charge of us all. In fact based on your typical government official (lawyers and businessmen), one could argue they already are. I fear that in the end, there will be only one way to fix this travesty we the common folk have allowed to happen, and it’s the same tried and true course of action we’ve been forced to use throughout human history.

        • Ashamed

          I don’t quite agree with your assessment.

          “they’ll surely be emboldened enough to turn their eye on physical ones. ”

          Not really. Remember, the U.S. has more to lose in a war against another major power than it has to gain. It can exert pressure economically, but taking active military action against another major country risks a level of military entanglement and strategic burdens (like having to move deterrence artillery out of formerly allied states.)

          I doubt this will need to come to an armed revolution either. Remember, the economic power of corporations is great, but they possess little symbolic power. Without symbolic power or civil society groups, they don’t have the base needed to directly control the population, and without that direct control being exerted, most people won’t feel the need to bike.

    • Anon

      No domain is safe they are already working on distributed system now to get around these laws. The problem is in 2012 we are FINALLY seeing the end game grab for ownership of the internet. Some of the best academics have been warning us of this for years.

      The only way to stop it is to make this a part of your vote when you vote for any elected official. Make it clear to political parties copyright reform and a free internet is a vote winner. This is up there with health, teaching, defense and the econemy now. Make them see it.

      • Guest

        LET’S KILL THEM ALL!

        “The only way to stop it is to make this a part of your vote”

        No. The only way to stop it is to kill all these corporate parasites right now.

        How? Simple World wide boycott! If at least only 50% of their customers stop buying anything from them for long enough It can be done!

        This is just entertainment dam it! We can go without this for a while without problem don’t we?

        Not buying anything from them mean:

        -Stop paying for you cable TV and TV satellite services.
        -Stop paying for satellite radio.
        -Do no rent movies.
        -Do not go to the movie theaters.
        -Do not go to concert.
        -Do not buy movies under any form.
        -Do not buy music under any form either.
        -Do not buy stuff like band mugs or tee-shirt related to a band a signer a movie or a actor.
        -Make sure the investors know about the boycott so that they freak out and crash their stocks.

        This is just entertainment dam it! We can go without this for a while without to much problem don’t we? Internet, our freedom, our democracies are in the balance big time. This is worth some effort does not it?

        LET’S KILL THEM ALL!

      • Ramsey839

        There will be new ways to distribute content without needing a domain, hosting or anything like that in the future. We already have this kind of technology but it needs to be improved upon and made available to everyone. When this happens it will be the beginning of a new internet

    • Admin

      Moving to ICANN accredited domain suffix is an act of suicide. The only real option is to go the OpenNic route and host your own site with one of their custom TLD’s like *.free *.indy *.geek *.bbs… The only problem is that all the people that would want to see their site and get to their content would have to join the OpenNic network (assign OpenNic DNS servers for name resolution), which is actually quite trivial to accomplish.

    • Koecrew

      Are .org’s not controlled by ICANN?
      Last I saw, .org domains where the only TLDs of which the feds don’t have complete, control.

      I hope IPv6 ushers in a divide between “the internet” and big corporation’s T.V. style internet.

      I don’t see regular site owners paying $270k to a non-profit orginisation “register” a domain and a further $25k per year as a “maintenance” fee.

      I have made a promise to myself to upload 1TB of warez for every domain I use that these idiot feds are taking down.

  • JohnCena3

    how much does this cost to move to a different domain like that?

  • Anonymous

    cut off a head, 10 more take its place.
    they never learn.

    • Tonybalony44

      Except when the “10 more” do pop up, the once pooled files in the original site that was shuttered become fragmented into different niche sites that take a while to find out about. At this rate, two years from now you’ll have to belong to 20 diff specialty sites to get a decent variety going…and they’ll all be invite only with a bunch of ridiculous hurdles to jump over in order to get access (i.e. what.cd’s “interview” process)

      • Indeed I am a walrus

        Nah, don’t think so.

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I think that is pretty awesome. Oh yeah!
    surfing-anon.tk

  • RobertPaulson

    Move to .ch domain like Wikileaks they will never touch you there

    • Anonymous

      Do you not have to like in Switzerland?

      • RobertPaulson

        No. Anyone can register…

    • Cabbage

      Switzerland signed ACTA just for the record… ^_^

      • RobertPaulson

        No they haven’t actaully signed it.

  • Kr0nZ

    “What is the point of trying to approve SOPA and PIPA if they do the same without these laws,” he questioned

    SOPA is so they will be able to seize domains NOT operated by a registrar in the US

  • NFL

    What’s funny is that this site got all the free publicity! I love it! Thanks USA!
    I didn’t even know this group of sites existed! So Cool! I can see my games now!

    • Anon

      LMAO, Neither did I

      • Richard Zuber

        same here bookmarking now

    • http://www.facebook.com/newton.antony Newton Antony

      lol come to usa to make it big , if ur a artist or a pirate site i love it here!

  • Xxx

    MUST fight FBI cos they think they will control the internet

    HOPE its not their MOTHER or FATHER who invented the internet

    • Guest

      The Internet? I think you fell a bit short there. The World is what the USA want.
      The internet is a nuisance. A network of sedition. Control that, there is no information leakage. It’s just the first step to world domination.

      • Anonymous

        Didn’t the us create the Internet for military purposes before they released it to the world to allow anyone to use it? Not saying they should be allowed control of the Internet, just saying your claim they hate the Internet doesn’t make as much sense if you acknowledge they created the Internet and then chose to allow free access to it.

        • Anon

          The US military created a computer network which was designed to survive a nuclear first strike; ARPANET. This was the grand daddy of the internet. It spawned a precursor to TCP/IP. CERN in Europe hosted first website and Sir Tim Berners Lee (English man) developed HTTP. So the modern net we know now exists as a result of many people/companies/governments. The infrastructure its self (descendant of ARPANET) spread from US military to US universities then across the Atlantic to the UK universities. From there private interests and governments helped spread and expand the network around the world resulting in what we now know as the internet.

  • Anon

    How the fuck did they get the firstrow.tv domain name are the media companies that fucking unaware of what the internet is? Perhaps this is the media companies way of getting domain names that they like but have already been registered.

    • Kr0nZ

      dot-tv is operated by Verisign a US company

      Verisign also operate: .com, .net, .name, .cc, .tv, .jobs, .edu

      they also operate TWO of the world 13 DNS root servers, which is more than any other company.
      Verisign is also generate the ‘root zone file’ for the other DNS servers, which is what tells your DNS where to go to get info regarding a TLD

      • LazyDave

        And to expand what Kr0nZ explained, all that are managed by tangible assets and people who are also bound by any applicable law in the jurisdiction they’re operating in.

  • Rese

    well strange thing is they advertised all of this be4, (download your favorite show online) and even mpaa signed with bittorrent years ago to distribute movies. Now they claim piracy is robbing them blind while reaping in the most ever profits and bribing the whole world and trying to take away the internet for something they did. Hiprocrits, may they enjoy eternal hellfire, more than they would already, as they deserve it.

  • Kenny

    I think they can relax until the next Super Bowl. No other sports company have enough to push for any type of shut down or seizing.

  • Guest

    “Our message is simple: abiding by intellectual property rights laws is not optional; it’s the law,”

    Its probably the same thing Slave Owners said a 160 years ago.

  • RobertPaulson

    Soo.. What IS the safest TLD then???

    • Mr. Putin

      It’s not possible to give you an answer since the ones that haven’t been seized are unseized because FBI hasn’t tried or they are actually safe. So it’s tricky to tell, we can say what ones haven’t been seized before but that doesn’t mean they can’t be seized.

      Just find a registrar which is hosted in a ‘safe’ country and uses a gTLD.

      For example, tonic.to sounds safe as they don’t publicly show WHOIS data. You’re very wrong… they’ll show your WHOIS data upon request and also they are located in the USA which makes it just as easy.

      In conclusion, sorry but I can’t recommend any services since it’s not possible to tell but I can only merely advise you on what’s the best way to go about it.

      • LazyDave

        “and uses a gTLD.”

        Last I checked, all the gTLDs’ authoritative Registries are in the U.S. A ccTLD or country code domain might be the next best thing, but they too are subject to their respective countries’ laws.

  • Guost

    thumbs up to those guys, though i wouldn’t be watching sports on tv, even for free

  • Anonymous

    This will make you laugh. FBI conference call discussing online groups.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3spwzUZfQ

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Probably funny, but I couldn’t bear to listen to it…. it would probably get my blood-pressure going way too high.

    • Anon

      Actually, this is BIG news! You go Anonymous!

    • Guest

      Who doesn’t LOL at 4:43? :)

    • Anon

      IMO the best bit in this hacked FBI conference call is when the english law-officer calls one of the members of a hacking group an idiot. So these Hackers are idiots – so how come they managed to bypass all your security protocols and record your phone calls. Also the law-officer know he’s investigating someone for hacking the Steam membership but openly admits he has no idea what Steam is! Classic Anonymous Hacking Group release – keep up the good work guys.

  • KiRE

    ‘innocent before proven guilty’ has been one of the biggest inside jokes of the US government since inception…

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  • Ihonestlydoubt

    I honestly doubt that this site is just a merely link site. They at least seem to broadcast themself events or pay to some streamer. I believe that they have nothing to do with the Rojadirecta case. Also for legal reasons it is very interesting to note that this person can be easily extradited to the US, while Roja’s admin (also for legal reasons) can not be extradited.

  • Totkm

    By the way this site is a Swedish one not a Spanish site where tpb owners have been sentenced to prison (it has no sense to refer the case to the Rojadirecta one since both countries have different laws in this matter).

    • RiT89

      How you know this guys is not from spain and have a server in sweden?

      • Kenny

        As far as I know, the operators are from Portugal and India. They also have a few streamers in US that cover some of the US sports

        • RiT89

          and you know the laws in portugal and india?

        • Cartman

          The point is that they are refering to Rojadirecta’s case in Spain and that has no sense since they are not Spanish residents.

        • RiT89

          If the laws in Portugal and Spain is the same have all the sense and the other case must be myp2p that win in netherlands court.

        • Totkm

          1st: The myp2p case was a civil case in the Netherlands, it has absolutely nothing to do. Secondly that was the first case, the new case between myp2p and the premier league and others I think it was lost by myp2p.
          2nd: None of those examples has absolutely no value in a Portuguese criminal/extradition case and much less in an Indian case.
          3rd Regarding the laws of Spain and Portugal, they are obviously different law, they are completely different countries.

          Also take into account that it is not that easy, even if the law is in favor of the operator it is very likely that the extradition could go ahead like it might happen with that British webmaster or with Kim Dotcom (Rapidshare also won many cases).

          Usually every case is different, specially if we talk about websites in different countries.

          Also I really doubt that this websites is not broadcasting by themself or paying streamers like many of them are doing. As far as I know the only two sites who have been not broadcasting or paying streamers are Rojadirecta and myp2p

        • RiT89

          That is strange you say ones brodcast and the others no. Dont try to say ones are legal and the others no. Guess you belong to one of the legal ones.

        • Totkm

          A similar site can be legal while another could be a illegal. A good example is rapidshare vs megaupload. Why do you think Rapidshare lost its leading position against Mega? IMO it was because Rapidshare was not a pirate site while Mega could be.

          What you say has no sense. If I were saying that simply because I am part of one of those sites I probably wouldn’t support the other site (a competitor) as I am doing (I would just say the site I am part of). If I am telling that those two sites (I am also going to include the russian site livetv) are probably the only big ones that seem to not broadcast illegally or pay streamers for illegal contents, it’s because of facts I am aware of.

        • RiT89

          I can tell you that alot sites in roja and myp2p belong to the mods there so is the same as far as the linking to illegal content one site have the embed code (one way link) others send to the other site that have the embed code ( two way link) is exactly the same.

        • Totkm

          1st. The mods are just part of a forum that has nothing to do with the indexing part of the site. 2nd the purpose of the mods in the forum has nothing to do with copyright. 3rd a mod is just a normal user who can moderate posts under some circumstances who collaborate for free, they are not employees of the company nor something like that. 4 As far as I know no mod in Rojadirecta has any channel, the same goes to the russian livetv (it might be true what you say about myp2p but in any case they are just mods of the forum that work for free in the forum, that is not relevant at all).

        • Totkm

          The problem is not who links, whether it is a mod, a user or the admin of the site. The problem is that in some sites (none of the three I mentioned before) the admins seem to be broadcasting by themselves and/or paying broadcasters to stream copyrighted material without authorization. That has nothing to do about what you are talking about.

        • RiT89

          forget that we all seen what you want

        • Totkm

          What I want? I do not want anything. I am just saying my opinion; it is completely stupid to argue that a site is legal because two very different cases in two very different countries. Also IMO the three sites I told are legal (not criminal) in the US (and in almost any country) while some of the seized ones are illegal (criminal) in the US (and in almost any country).

        • RiT89

          I check that russian site they have the streams in their site they have ads so is the same as any other, about rojadirecta redirect to sites that is supposed to be illegal like you say and appear sponsor by rojadirecta. So is all the same thing and is funny you say roja is legal (not criminal) in the US when was also siezed

    • Totkm

      I did not said that linking is illegal. I am saying that broadcasting unauthorized copyrighted content and making money with it is illegal (criminal). The same if you are paying to broadcasters for it. myp2p, rojadirecta or livetv, none of the do things like that.

      About the russian site: Having ads in an index site is not illegal and much less criminal.
      About roja: Pages are showing a banner of Rojadirecta. How the hell is that illegal?
      About the Rojadirecta seizure; are you aware that they have sued the US Government and that dajaz1 was also seized and it was not illegal?

      • Totkm

        BTW I bet this site is not going to sue the US Government and I believe the reason is because they have many things to hide.

      • RiT89

        For me is the same and you say that russian dont stream only if you are inside people homes you can know that. As far i can tell all stream or tell others to stream maybe ones hide is a little better. But you win for us dont spam the comments :) .

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Welcome to the new United States of Fascist America guys.

    A corruptocarcy in which YOUR elected politicians no longer act on your behalf, but in the interests of businesses rich enough to buy YOUR “elected” lol paid-for political puppet.

    This is so-called democracy US-style, and I don’t like the taste. Do you?

    • uhey

      Its the same all over, mate. Evil criminals rule the world

  • http://mineshafter.appspot.com/ download13

    They might actually want to grab a .su ccTLD. It’s the old extension for the Soviet Union, which apparently is still up. I recently read an article about .su being the new safe haven for after a crackdown on .ru addresses.

    • Anonymous

      Forget the .su or .ru domainI think they should all go to a .fu domain. Safer there. FU! :)

    • Mistr-l

      can you help out with confirmation?

      • http://mineshafter.appspot.com/ download13

        Here’s the source:
        http://www.abuse.ch/?p=3581
        I assume if it works for botnet operators, it’ll work for torrent sites.

  • Steve

    So is torrentfreak going to be taken too since it links to sites that link to sites that have illegal content. Maybe the US will institute a 7 degrees of separation law that if you link to a site and in 7 clicks I can get to a site that has illegal content your site will be shut down. I love this country but hate some aspects of the government. Mark Zuckerberg for President. =)

    • Joormudder

      Mark Zuckerberg is a Yes man. F*ck him. He’s for Acta and Pipa AND SOPA AND TPP yes alot of acronyms I know

      • 1ofmillions

        pipa,sopa. e,f,g, why won’t they share with me.

        saftey in numbers….natures way

      • guest1

        you sir are an idiot.do some research before you post your shit talk!,zuckerberg has said several times that he is against them

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  • Robert

    SOPA and PIPA were just smokescreens for ACTA. It encompasses it all and not just for the United States.

  • Weihhih

    FUCK THE FEDS FUCK THE FEDS FUCK THE FEDS

  • Anonymous

    It’s all over the news, and I don’t know whether to demand that Newt Gingrich get the Joel Tennebaum (http://joelfightsback.com/) treatment to the fullest extent of the law, or make Newt the Poster Child for online sharing of music.

    He can’t possibly get off with no charges, and if he does, so should every other person who mistakenly (??) uses another’s music without permission. IE: buying it.

    If he can ‘share’, well, we all can share. It’s the American way, dontcha know.

    Newt for President! ROFL!!!!!

    http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1125686–composer-sues-to-keep-newt-gingrich-from-using-eye-of-the-tiger?bn=1

    • SororPisces

      Remember when a KKK member used a Bryan Adams song at his rallies? Oh…our BA was less than amused.

  • Firstrow will live on

    So what domain is working now? Cheers

  • Tuong rtthhh

    testing testing blah blah blah

  • Alyssa Blindy

    “What is the point of trying to approve SOPA and PIPA if they do the same without these laws,” he questioned, referring to the pending US bills that would make it even easier to seize allegedly infringing domains.”
    Exactly. And as I pointed out in the previous comment in yesterday’s article, SOPA means sweep. So this fake sweep thing? ICE is basically saying that with their actions and their operation name. They are saying that they are enacting SOPA, even though it doesn’t pass. You may think the operation name is ridiculous and just a coincidence, however, if they just wanted an operation name, I could think of many others that have no SOPA connection.
    They could have called it Operation Patriotic Giant (the two teams playing in the game). They could have called it Operation Good Sport. They could have called it Operatin Sports Car. Lol.

    • LazyDave

      Ideally SOPA and PIPA were to provide a more convenient, more categorical way to address criminal copyright infringement less the current hassles. Ideally, anyway. In any case, both SOPA and PIPA are done away with so it’s currently moot at this point, although there’s now ACTA to talk about.

      • Jort

        I heard ACTA was bullshit meant to force Europe to adhere to US demands.

        Something about the government branch that signs ACTA has no authority to sign anything on behalf of the US government…

        So one part of the government signs ACTA, but the other part, the one that should enforce ACTA, just says “hey we’re not required to enforce ACTA or do shit about it”.
        The idea is that Europe finds about this trick only after signing ACTA and thus is bound to respect an agreement with the USA while the USA doesn’t have to respect its part of the deal.

        Of course the USA might still enforce ACTA anyway, but it doesn’t seem likely. It’s good to protest ACTA just in case (can’t be too safe with stuff like that) but better also make sure this doesn’t distract Americans from other important issues. Governments distract the public’s attention all the time that way. While you’re all busy arguing over pointless ACTA, they might be preparing SOPA 2.

  • Anonymous

    “Since we don’t live in a third-world country here, the courts decide if something is illegal not the entertainment industry lobbies.”

    I hadn’t realized the prevalence and power of third world entertainment lobbyists.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Actually, in the third world, if the government says that you are breaking a law, sometimes there is no trial…. that is what he was referring to.

      • Anonymous

        Whaaaaaaaaa

      • Predator

        “.Actually, in the third world, if the government says that you are breaking a law, sometimes there is no trial…. that is what he was referring to. ”

        If there is no trial how do they know if someone broke the law?

        Also if the law has been broken how can they be a trial since the law is now broken and no longer work?

        Ha!

  • Anonymous

    ‘the European Parliament adopted a resolution which criticized US domain name seizures. According to the resolution these measures need to be countered as they endanger “the integrity of the global internet and freedom of communication.” ‘

    shame the EU hasn’t got the clout or the balls to do anything. it’s a waste of time. full of nothing but bullshit! they are still signing bills the US tell them to sign and individual EU countries are still doing what they want, eg blocking websites, contrary to the EU saying it’s ‘not the European way’!

  • Anon

    Why I stand behind the switch to a distributed domain name system instead of a centralized one.

  • Anon

    Must sya these people must have the biggest balls ever.

  • whatever

    Im an American and I condemn what ICE is doing outside the boundaries of the United States. You all should do the same.

  • Psyatika

    Awesome…i had been using a couple other sites, and now i know about one more to add to the list. Thanks ICE!

  • Mistr-l

    mutha foiker, someone reply with some good info on what domain extension we should all be using , with reasons why.. geesh, help a person out here

    • RiT89

      .eu enjoy

      • Mistr-l

        so, being in canada, i can register .eu, and it becomes mine and europes posession? just one question..what about my ISP? will i need satelite europian?

    • [+]

      Go for .ch (Switzerland) if you can (it might be difficult if you are not a citizen or live there – I’m not sure about the rules – but maybe you can find a Swiss person on the Internet who would agree to register and sub-rent a domain to you.

      Switzerland has some really good Internet laws. You can’t be disconnected and I don’t think your domain can be seized… (maybe it can but to my knowledge that would be a first). At most, the servers could be seized if they were located in Switzerland but if you just have a domain name I think the Swiss legal system can’t do anything against you or your website.
      Switzerland is pretty cool on piracy anyway (downloading is legal, uploading is not but the police don’t enforce it – copyright holders must sue people themselves).

      I’m also pretty sure if you only host torrents, links or embedded videos, you’ll be legally covered (but do check into that, don’t take my word for it!).

      I’m pretty sure about what I posted here. However, I don’t know any .ch streaming/file-sharing websites so I’m wondering if maybe I could be wrong. I knew some .ch file-sharing websites a few years ago, but I don’t know if they’re still operating (I forgot the names too so I can’t check).
      Basically, I never heard any .ch website being taken down, but the .ch TLD is not very popular either and I am not sure why (maybe it’s just not very well-known, or perhaps it’s because you must have association to Switzerland to get a .ch URL).

      It’s worth looking into at least.

      • [+]

        Oh and I forgot… Switzerland, unlike some European countries, does not have a habit of taking it up the ass from the USA. A lot of websites were hosted in Europe to be protected against US law, but this did not always work (example: Pirate Bay and Megaupload).

        Switzerland is not going to shut down your website overnight just because the US government is asking. And even if Switzerland did bend to US pressure, you would hear about early: the Swiss government would issue public warnings that it plans to attack file-sharing websites so you would have time to prepare. And again, they would attack your servers, not your URL, and that’s not a problem anyway if your servers are not in Switzerland.

        I think Switzerland is the most reliable country in Europe when it comes to not being the pawns of the USA.

  • foff

    What I don’t like about this domain seizure shit is the guilty before proven innocent approach that this chickenshit ageny is playing. It is like going through airport security if you bring something you should not it is gone regardless of the motive and getting back is impossible unless you want to miss your flight. This is the same, they take your domain and it takes an act of god and months if not years to get it back if you have done no wrong. We need legislation the requires them at the least to send a cease and desist letter prior to any action.

    The funny thing is these seizures are probably the weakest way to stop what they claim to be stopping. Anyone selling counterfeit goods are out of their minds if they think they can put up a .com site and not be shut down in due time.

    As I have said before there also needs to be legislation requiring these companies to provide a stream. People watch stuff on the internet and like tv they should be subjet to rules the force them to provide a stream. Who would stream anything if they could get a decent connection for free with commercials or for a small fee.

    Why do these fuks expect the internet to be shut down and that it is ok not to provide a stream. What do they expect those that have no cable but do have a computer and internet connection?

    • LazyDave

      “The funny thing is these seizures are probably the weakest way to stop what they claim to be stopping.”

      If anything, they’re attempts. After all, trying is the least anyone can do, right, especially if they currently can’t realistically go after the actual perpetrators?

      “As I have said before there also needs to be legislation requiring these companies to provide a stream.”

      And who’s eventually going to pay for that? Unlike, say, food, clothing and shelter, watching streaming videos aren’t exactly things people can’t afford to live without, are they?

  • Mistr-l

    i think there could be a connection with fb, signing over rights for advertising, and getting music and movie streaming?

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  • impropiracy

    hahaha this is like a big fuck u 2 the MAFIAA…keep up the “pain in the butt shove in the face biznez” 2 the ICE butthurt old farts ^^

  • PelouzeTF

    phuck me….I know you guys aren’t gormless. You have technology at your fingertips…..are you saying that you “can’t” create anything????? ……nothing at all to say ” I created this, its new and original, enjoy”

    jeebus. back in the day. you had to learn your shit, take a risk…..if you arent the sickness of creativity, i don’t know what is ?

    • Guest

      You’re the one that says pirates can’t create anything.

      Incidentally, Evan Stone and Andrew Crossley have been outed as trolls. Why none of you are crying for his support is beyond me. I hear that they’re proud pirate hunters.

  • Malloc

    If they are also streaming commercials who gives a fuck?

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  • Gguest

    In my opinion it is quite ironic that we are telling all these sites to STAY AWAY from American domains and hosting YET TORRENTFREAK is hosted in the USA… It would be a good idea to move this site out of the USA as a statement.

  • True North

    ty TF for the site`s!! I would`nt have known bout these if it were not for you !!!

    NOW i can catch the superbowl without having to search arround for a streaming site today (saturday)

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  • BIG-NUTS

    These operators got some balls to stand up against the US Govt. I will see the day the CIA kidnaps these guys and transfer them to US soil where they will stand trial. I think that will be the next step if they cannot make the government co-operate with them in arresting the owners.

    • GREASED-YADDA

      The USA already assassinate on foreign soil with impunity
      Soon, you are unlikely to be ‘transferred’ anywhere.

      • Anonymous

        Maybe someone should pay the US a visit and start “dealing with” some corporate leaders…

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    Fuck the feds. If you ever doubted that america was an empire, I hope you’re learning your lesson now.

  • Colt

    If they stream the commercials along with the game where is the damage? How does that not HELP them? Now the advertising they are selling is being viewed by a MUCH larger audience. The sports industry should be donating money to these sites to make sure they don’t have to pay for providing this service themselves with their own bandwidth.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t figure out why the Department of Homeland Security, created to centralize counterterrorism efforts, is getting involved in copyright infringement cases. I’m not trying to argue that copyrights aren’t being infringed; it just seems like misuse of power for the DHS to be involved. I don’t want to see Army soldiers issuing parking tickets and I sure as heck don’t want Homeland Security budgets repurposed for corporate interests that have nothing whatsoever to do with protecting the lives of American citizens.

    Someone should be looking into this stuff, but I have a hard time seeing why it’s the DHS.

  • Quickflick

    .ch is safer than .eu domains

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  • M15

    There is undoubtedly a huge amount of controversy over these and similar sites being shut down by the government but I know of a comparable site that is unquestionably legal. I’m not sure I would have known about it if I didn’t work for DISH but it’s free to everyone and offers tons of shows and movies available instantly. It’s DISHOnline.com and DISH customers can log in to access even more content. Customers with the Sling Adapter connected can even watch their recordings and live TV. It’s definitely worth a look.

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