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	<title>Comments on: Sharing 2999 Songs, 199 Movies Becomes &#8216;Safe&#8217; in Germany</title>
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		<title>By: movie downloads</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;we do not know what consequences it will have or if all prosecutors in Germany will follow the new guidelines.&quot; 
awesome, so what are my odds of getting one of the cool prosecutors? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;we do not know what consequences it will have or if all prosecutors in Germany will follow the new guidelines.&quot;<br />
awesome, so what are my odds of getting one of the cool prosecutors? </p>
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		<title>By: web design</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[web design]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is good news for all P2P sharers in germany]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good news for all P2P sharers in germany</p>
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		<title>By: Xander Delores</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xander Delores]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;sharing&quot;, who in bittorrent actually shares 3000 songs at once, surely some ppl have packs but it&#039;s usually just a couple albums at a time, your not really sharing the other stuff you keep on your hdd&#039;s even if you have more than 3000 songs

i wonder like some rls&#039;s come out as 1 big mp3 file with cue&#039;s, is that considered one song or? ;}

also new movies still in theaters?, in germany? or in the US? cuz like what if a movie is in theaters in US but not yet in germany or might not even be shown in theaters in germany or movies that aren&#039;t even shown in theaters? (limited or straight-to-dvd), there are even movies (often non-US) that are already out on dvd but then appear in theaters

law needs to be more specific]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;sharing&#8221;, who in bittorrent actually shares 3000 songs at once, surely some ppl have packs but it&#8217;s usually just a couple albums at a time, your not really sharing the other stuff you keep on your hdd&#8217;s even if you have more than 3000 songs</p>
<p>i wonder like some rls&#8217;s come out as 1 big mp3 file with cue&#8217;s, is that considered one song or? ;}</p>
<p>also new movies still in theaters?, in germany? or in the US? cuz like what if a movie is in theaters in US but not yet in germany or might not even be shown in theaters in germany or movies that aren&#8217;t even shown in theaters? (limited or straight-to-dvd), there are even movies (often non-US) that are already out on dvd but then appear in theaters</p>
<p>law needs to be more specific</p>
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		<title>By: non-comercial filesharer</title>
		<link>/sharing-2999-songs-199-movies-becomes-safe-in-germany-080814/#comment-486124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[non-comercial filesharer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always stayed away from the new movies ( also because they are low quality cam crap) lol, and honestly what is the new music? All the good music was already written, done so these new musicians will all suck because they can&#039;t do anything new &amp; good. 15 Euros/ movie is ridiculous !
I agree with Trabb- this is pathetic to let you commit the crime ( and u don&#039;t realise it ) then they send you the check ?!! Pathetic. I don&#039;t think this will ever happen in EU. It&#039;s non-sense. To all those morons who bring the word nazzi here-go get a life you fanatic twats-Gernany is now less nazzi then most of the countries I&#039;ve been too ( including US), and I&#039;ve been to most EU countries &amp; US. stupid cunts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always stayed away from the new movies ( also because they are low quality cam crap) lol, and honestly what is the new music? All the good music was already written, done so these new musicians will all suck because they can&#8217;t do anything new &amp; good. 15 Euros/ movie is ridiculous !<br />
I agree with Trabb- this is pathetic to let you commit the crime ( and u don&#8217;t realise it ) then they send you the check ?!! Pathetic. I don&#8217;t think this will ever happen in EU. It&#8217;s non-sense. To all those morons who bring the word nazzi here-go get a life you fanatic twats-Gernany is now less nazzi then most of the countries I&#8217;ve been too ( including US), and I&#8217;ve been to most EU countries &amp; US. stupid cunts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@45
Finally, yes, perhaps the original creator needs money. But other people should have their right to do what they see fit with it, other than immoral things like plagiarism. If somebody else wants to sell it, why shouldn&#039;t they? All that is needed is that the other person who sells it must pay a royalty to the original creator. But for the original creator to say &quot;I want this person and NOT that person to sell it for me&quot; is simply unwarranted tyranny of the original creator over others.

If this does not make enough, especially since the ability to re-create it has a price of zero, then how will they make a living without artificially inflating the price and forcing everybody either not to have it or to pay them, you say? Government tax can fund them, if you want them to make a living so much. Give them permanent welfare. You should have no problem with that, since it should be about getting them money.

But I think it is better, instead of being funded for past works, instead to be funded for every new work the create. The motivation to create would be strengthened because they would have to create a new thing each time to get money, and there would be much more creativity if such a thing were to happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45<br />
Finally, yes, perhaps the original creator needs money. But other people should have their right to do what they see fit with it, other than immoral things like plagiarism. If somebody else wants to sell it, why shouldn&#8217;t they? All that is needed is that the other person who sells it must pay a royalty to the original creator. But for the original creator to say &#8220;I want this person and NOT that person to sell it for me&#8221; is simply unwarranted tyranny of the original creator over others.</p>
<p>If this does not make enough, especially since the ability to re-create it has a price of zero, then how will they make a living without artificially inflating the price and forcing everybody either not to have it or to pay them, you say? Government tax can fund them, if you want them to make a living so much. Give them permanent welfare. You should have no problem with that, since it should be about getting them money.</p>
<p>But I think it is better, instead of being funded for past works, instead to be funded for every new work the create. The motivation to create would be strengthened because they would have to create a new thing each time to get money, and there would be much more creativity if such a thing were to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@45
Indeed, it must be treated differently. It must exempt all non-commercial activity. For example, when creating a copy, you can still return the original copy to the friend. You are not keeping the original copy, so you are not stealing the original copy. The other copy was CREATED, not stolen. It makes no sense to say that the CD is in the possession of the original creator when it is clearly in the possession of somebody else.

For example, when you borrow a hammer, perhaps you had some kind of ability to make hammers, and perhaps you wanted to make a copy of it. Why shouldn&#039;t you? It does not deprive anyone of anything.

You say that it must be &quot;approached differently&quot; but the only difference is that it is dirt cheap to create CDs whereas it is more expensive to have the scrap material for a hammer and more arduous to create a hammer (whereas the computer does everything for you in an instant). There is no need for any cost - because it doesn&#039;t cost anything to create it. To artificially inflate the price from 0 to something really expensive is not anything reasonable - it is a forced extraction of money. You may think that creators would then not get any money, but why can&#039;t there be a better solution? If it were merely about getting the creators money, then we can simply levy a general tax on the whole population to pay them. That should be enough.

Think about it. Wouldn&#039;t the world be better if there was some dirt-cheap method of creating food, since nobody would go hungry? But then by your logic would argue that the farmers would get no money, and farmers need a way of making money. That is exactly what the computer is doing to software and other media, and to prevent the public from accessing it and creating it en masse and to try to extract money from people for it, is nothing other than stealing from the public good.

You may think that the only motivation for creativity is money - this is as far from the truth as you could get. Perhaps you are too corrupted by the money world to see anything differently, but you must realize that money is meaningless, and that people are creative essentially because it is MEANINGFUL. They want to communicate their ideas to the world, make the world a better place, or to spread their ideas to other people and earn prestige for such great ideas. If you do not think people would do such things for such motivations, then you must be blind to the whole humanity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45<br />
Indeed, it must be treated differently. It must exempt all non-commercial activity. For example, when creating a copy, you can still return the original copy to the friend. You are not keeping the original copy, so you are not stealing the original copy. The other copy was CREATED, not stolen. It makes no sense to say that the CD is in the possession of the original creator when it is clearly in the possession of somebody else.</p>
<p>For example, when you borrow a hammer, perhaps you had some kind of ability to make hammers, and perhaps you wanted to make a copy of it. Why shouldn&#8217;t you? It does not deprive anyone of anything.</p>
<p>You say that it must be &#8220;approached differently&#8221; but the only difference is that it is dirt cheap to create CDs whereas it is more expensive to have the scrap material for a hammer and more arduous to create a hammer (whereas the computer does everything for you in an instant). There is no need for any cost &#8211; because it doesn&#8217;t cost anything to create it. To artificially inflate the price from 0 to something really expensive is not anything reasonable &#8211; it is a forced extraction of money. You may think that creators would then not get any money, but why can&#8217;t there be a better solution? If it were merely about getting the creators money, then we can simply levy a general tax on the whole population to pay them. That should be enough.</p>
<p>Think about it. Wouldn&#8217;t the world be better if there was some dirt-cheap method of creating food, since nobody would go hungry? But then by your logic would argue that the farmers would get no money, and farmers need a way of making money. That is exactly what the computer is doing to software and other media, and to prevent the public from accessing it and creating it en masse and to try to extract money from people for it, is nothing other than stealing from the public good.</p>
<p>You may think that the only motivation for creativity is money &#8211; this is as far from the truth as you could get. Perhaps you are too corrupted by the money world to see anything differently, but you must realize that money is meaningless, and that people are creative essentially because it is MEANINGFUL. They want to communicate their ideas to the world, make the world a better place, or to spread their ideas to other people and earn prestige for such great ideas. If you do not think people would do such things for such motivations, then you must be blind to the whole humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@45
No, I am saying that everybody else should be able to do what they want. I am not talking about other people selling the inventor&#039;s inventions. I am talking about having other people to be able to communicate the other person&#039;s inventions, and for them to make their own derivative inventions.

The fact is that Rush is not to be respected as long as they use force, and as long as they have any delusion that it is &quot;stealing.&quot; I do not respect Rush at all - why should I ever pay them? Payment is through respect, and respect is earned, not given.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45<br />
No, I am saying that everybody else should be able to do what they want. I am not talking about other people selling the inventor&#8217;s inventions. I am talking about having other people to be able to communicate the other person&#8217;s inventions, and for them to make their own derivative inventions.</p>
<p>The fact is that Rush is not to be respected as long as they use force, and as long as they have any delusion that it is &#8220;stealing.&#8221; I do not respect Rush at all &#8211; why should I ever pay them? Payment is through respect, and respect is earned, not given.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=562&amp;doc_id=153909&amp;f_src=flffour&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;going after the big guys helps, but isn&#039;t the solution.&lt;/a&gt; How long does it take for a new one to come out? they&#039;ll always be one step behind. I think going after individual users is the key (getting them scared enough that they rather spend a couple of bucks)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that <a href="http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=562&amp;doc_id=153909&amp;f_src=flffour" rel="nofollow">going after the big guys helps, but isn&#8217;t the solution.</a> How long does it take for a new one to come out? they&#8217;ll always be one step behind. I think going after individual users is the key (getting them scared enough that they rather spend a couple of bucks)</p>
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		<title>By: Boal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marc (43), I&#039;m German as well and you are wrong as well.

There are indeed plans for copyright owners to bypass courts and go to the ISPs directly, but they wouldn&#039;t get any data from that.
Why?
1) The Constitutional Court is right now dealing with the data retention law that might have been a source for data - it has already made clear that the data, if data retention is not revoked altogether, may not be used for anything but SEVERE crimes. That&#039;s not one of them.
2) ISPs are not allowed to keep data if it&#039;s not necessary for billing purpose. I have flatrate, most of us do, hence they don&#039;t need any data. Just write a letter to your ISP asking wether he keeps IP/connection data. If he does, demand that he deletes yours and does&#039;t save it anymore. If he does not comply, terminate your agreement immediately and go for another one who doesn&#039;t keep data.

And, to another commenter: It&#039;s true that the article only deals with NRW&#039;s attorney. But you should know that others have already announced that they would adopt a similar stance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc (43), I&#8217;m German as well and you are wrong as well.</p>
<p>There are indeed plans for copyright owners to bypass courts and go to the ISPs directly, but they wouldn&#8217;t get any data from that.<br />
Why?<br />
1) The Constitutional Court is right now dealing with the data retention law that might have been a source for data &#8211; it has already made clear that the data, if data retention is not revoked altogether, may not be used for anything but SEVERE crimes. That&#8217;s not one of them.<br />
2) ISPs are not allowed to keep data if it&#8217;s not necessary for billing purpose. I have flatrate, most of us do, hence they don&#8217;t need any data. Just write a letter to your ISP asking wether he keeps IP/connection data. If he does, demand that he deletes yours and does&#8217;t save it anymore. If he does not comply, terminate your agreement immediately and go for another one who doesn&#8217;t keep data.</p>
<p>And, to another commenter: It&#8217;s true that the article only deals with NRW&#8217;s attorney. But you should know that others have already announced that they would adopt a similar stance.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[39 - Then by the same token, the inventor of some useful object can have no rights to it once he shows it to someone else. It&#039;s not hard to see how that can really hurt the inventor if someone else comes along and sells his invention. What is his motivation to share an idea with the world if he knows it will be taken from him? How can he hope to earn a living? 

Intellectual property must be treated differently from physical property. If you loan your friend a hammer, there is still only one hammer. If you loan your friend your CD or give it to him without making a copy, there is still only one CD. But when you copy it you are creating something that was not there before. 

It is interesting to note that Benjamin Franklin did not take out a patent on his Franklin stove because he was confident in his ability to build and sell a model that would compete with anyone who tried to copy his design, so maybe he would have been on your side.

But for me, it is simple. One of my favorite bands, Rush, is a hard-working honest group and they have stated very clearly &quot;please don&#039;t steal from us&quot;. regardless of my own opinion in the matter, should I not respect the wishes of the musicians? There have been several who have made their stuff freely available for download, but in general I don&#039;t think that works for them as a business model - they need to pay their bills too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>39 &#8211; Then by the same token, the inventor of some useful object can have no rights to it once he shows it to someone else. It&#8217;s not hard to see how that can really hurt the inventor if someone else comes along and sells his invention. What is his motivation to share an idea with the world if he knows it will be taken from him? How can he hope to earn a living? </p>
<p>Intellectual property must be treated differently from physical property. If you loan your friend a hammer, there is still only one hammer. If you loan your friend your CD or give it to him without making a copy, there is still only one CD. But when you copy it you are creating something that was not there before. </p>
<p>It is interesting to note that Benjamin Franklin did not take out a patent on his Franklin stove because he was confident in his ability to build and sell a model that would compete with anyone who tried to copy his design, so maybe he would have been on your side.</p>
<p>But for me, it is simple. One of my favorite bands, Rush, is a hard-working honest group and they have stated very clearly &#8220;please don&#8217;t steal from us&#8221;. regardless of my own opinion in the matter, should I not respect the wishes of the musicians? There have been several who have made their stuff freely available for download, but in general I don&#8217;t think that works for them as a business model &#8211; they need to pay their bills too.</p>
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