Only the mentally challenged and those one-week-fresh to the Internets go to those sites. And strangely enough, those tend to be the same people with a VERY limited “sphere” of taste and culture. No offense to anyone living in a trailer.

@Reasoned Mind

I know you have a vision. A return to innocence, in which we merry band of pirates will be tamed by draconian legislation, or by some technological silver bullet.

I submit to you a different future. One in which the artist does not need to work for years to pay back their production advances. One in which the middle man cannot pocket the majority of the artists revenue, for however long their contract lasts.

This is what the labels truly fear. Filesharing is a known risk. A ‘loss’ they cannot adequately demonstrate, but can at least lobby against.

No…

The thing they fear will destroy them is far more straightforward; they fear that the world will wake up to the fact that they are just not needed any more.

The day will come when artists can connect with fans, and fans can connect with artists. All without the ‘assistance’ of the labels.

That someday soon, the internet will make them irrelevant.

You make absolute no sense and your a complete moron.

Your point is no more true then our point, stop thinking you know wtf your talking about and your somehow above everyone else.. your seriously pathetic in all ways.

Lets see if we can make your retarded brain understand this.. ok.. CAR STEALING = Taking a physical object away. FILE SHARING = Copying numbers infinite amount of times.

If I could copy a car, I would.

F*cking retarded donkey.

“You human…”

Oh, where are you from then? ;)

@ ernesto: true true true!

You human are just a bunch of sheeps folowing each other without thinking. If one fall of the clift the others follow.

No offence but many species are smarter than that.

And to be honest, if it wasn’t for the internet with the wide supply I wouldn’t be into the bands I listen too today.

NOTE: Britney sucks

The only torrent site, tracker, that is focused upon is TPB, also in connection with numbers that for TPB doesn’t make sense.

Oh, but the last histogram was at least pretty.

http://www.prsformusic.com/monline/research/Documents/The%20long%20tail%20of%20P2P%20v9.pdf

The same goes to the arts when people say that someone was influenced by others what they’re really saying is that he/she copied bits and pieces from others.

As for countries the USA copied the Europeans, the Japanese copied the Americans, the Chinese copied everybody looking at those patterns I risk saying that sharing knowledge is pretty important for the development of good and just societies which some industries think otherwise.

Well something it does or otherwise they wouldn’t spend millions lobbying congresses around the world to change laws LoL

And it’s not about “sticking to the man!” is about not being criminalized for doing what is only human like I don’t know sharing(pirating) and having access to information that could benefit the whole of society and no just a few chosen ones.

” you may notice that bit torrent, for instance, has some very cosy deals with Fox, Paramount, Warners, etc. – but still its adherents believe vehemently that they are crazy rebels out on the fringes, sticking it to the man, without anything more than a few anecdotes to back up this self-identification. i suppose it’s a bit like evangelical christianity, or those right-wing libertarian militia groups.”

Dude, you totally lost me??!! Are U comparing me to a religous fanatic? Go f U C K yourselves…seriously!!

need to be spelt with an “ie” (not in my family anyway).

extraordinary to come back to this page a few days after leaving my comment.

most of the comments resemble those of an isolated but fanatical religious community, united by a leap of faith, blind to all contradictions.

the strange thing is that pirating is by now a perfectly mainstream activity, does no harm to multinational corporations whatsoever – you may notice that bit torrent, for instance, has some very cosy deals with Fox, Paramount, Warners, etc. – but still its adherents believe vehemently that they are crazy rebels out on the fringes, sticking it to the man, without anything more than a few anecdotes to back up this self-identification. i suppose it’s a bit like evangelical christianity, or those right-wing libertarian militia groups.

Only kids who haven’t heard of Rolling Stones would get satisfaction listening to Britney.

What next? Paris Hilton?

Gimme a break!

If you believe that your work has been copyright infringed to the point of a crime, then you should be filing a report with law enforcement. I’m sure they will gladly explain to you how the law works in your region.

Trying to take away P2P in order to keep unknown artists from being able to compete against multi-billion dollar corporations is wrong.

Copyright theft engaged in by multi-billion dollar corporations to deprive artist of their work is wrong.

Lobbying to take away the public domain and prevent people from doing with their own creations as they wish is wrong.

And since you ask, yes, the Robin Hood philosophy dictates that stealing from rich people is better than stealing from the poor.

Anybody who downloads anything featuring Britney is banned from internet forever and gets his testicles removed surgically.

I second that.

Make a torrent out of your album. Upload it to TPB. Put a donation link on your website. Give gifts to the donators like hand signed posters or T-shirts so as to encourage them.

You scratch my back and I will scratch yours. Simple as that.

That’s all you have to do to drive the labels into extinction.

Evolve or Die !

(anyone who downloads “B-S”, britney’s shite, SHOULD go to jail for a long time)

Very interesting read. It really puts alot of things in perspective but more in particular how the movie/music industry is failing to evolve.

Enjoy.

http://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/download-decade/how-the-ipod-changed-everything/article1133329/

If I could get my music heard by 10.000 people in the short time that P2P/internet allows .. I’ll be through the roof, 10.000 is a fucking big number!!! People tend to forget that when comparing to internationally pushed artists like britney.

Jamendo has had the development of a sane alternative to the collection societies as one of it’s primary goals since it started. It’s one of the things that drew me to it as an artist.

Commercially licensing music is one of the main sources of revenue for mainstream artists and I find it puzzling for it not to have come up in the discussion- hence actually posting, which I rarely do…

So in answer to the question that was posed earlier, how does an artist like Rob Costlow make a living? He would have to answer himself to be sure, but I expect it is a combination of live shows and merch, which includes cds, but also commercial licensing, not to mention donations (check out Costlow’s Jamendo profile and you can see he has a steady stream of donators… not getting rich and famous, but making a living, that’s commendable.

And to those that insist that sharing=stealing, please recognize the difference between freely sharing and profiting from others work- if someone is selling bootlegs, that could be considered stealing, but freely sharing, that only looks like stealing from the Othodox Neo-Capitalist perspective that views everything through the lense of Artificial Scarcity (control supply, create demand => create a perpetual cycle of unfulfilled need)… but I suppose you feel the need to use peer based guilt to make us feel bad about our “sin” against the Church of Neo-Capital ;-P

They are permanently FREELEECH on the site. Even people not even remotely interested in them download them just to seed for ratio.

I know cause i’m What & Waffles :P So this is unfortunately a complete BS comparison.

@17 – r.barry:

I believe you are right about PRS being a non-profit and fairly balanced organisation. Probably pretty accurate claims stated in their report as well, but being a professional musician, producer and former Indie-label owner myself + a dedicated pirat, I can guarantee you, it has not captured the whole picture on what effects, especially positive ones, bittorrent has on upcoming artist’s, and their capability to promote themselves through it!

Besides, my friend, carefull with your hastely conclusions on Pirate Bay’s supposedly huge profiteering on website commercials!! Not even the biased judge from the TPB-trial really bought into that rubbish (I read the real trial-transcript on the original language, not the manipulated translation made public by IFPI). You risk making yourself guilty of the exact same allegations you have towards this article…

“But it helps small artists…”
Yeah and so? Pirating is still wrong – (in theory) we should pay for the goods we get.

Mr. Car Robber: “Yeah but everytime I steal a car, mr. Police man gets overtime and he is now able to afford buying a new TV – I am doing a good deed!.”

Mr. Bank Robber: “Yeah but I always use 10% of the heist on the local burger joint so I help the local economy – I am doing a good deed!.”

I simply dont get it.
Why do we need to argue about this?

Pirating is wrong.

Does helping / promoting / downloading from unknown artists make it 5% less worse?

p2p could actually replace the distribution system now in place and all the free loaders (mpaa/riaa/sgae/ifpi etc) would have to get real jobs

Britney today is talentless. Back before she went crazy she was a good entertainer as she looked good and could pull off entertaining choreography. Today though, today she looks like shit and can’t even dance worth a damn. Her last album sucks and the videos are horrible as well. Her current tour is a joke with no live band or remixes or any real dancing on her part.

All in all, Britney up to 2004 was great, even Blackout has some good points but she lost it. The writers who write her songs and whoever works the synthesizer are incredibly untalented as her music nosedived as had her and her performances.

Honestly, I’m glad. Ever since Britney made her ignorant comment about Obama and black people finally being equal and support for same-sex marriage I haven’t cared for her as a person, now I don’t care for her career either.

so putting your music out for free is a good way to get some exposure; but i think more artists should pull a radiohead and put their music up for donations, give as much or as little as you want.

I would love to make sure these artists don’t fade away sending them a little money out of my severely limited funds. I will be looking into ways to do that when there are no donation options on their websites. My idea is to get a traveler’s check made out to them.

Being an American, now why would the American Music Publisher’s have a problem with that? Yes, exactly, because they want me listening to albums that they sell.

So if you are a musician or music group, get a website, and put a donation option on it!

http://blog.brokep.com/2009/05/14/bad-news-mr-judge/

Serious stuff!

Britney?? Isn’t she that two-dollar crack whore hanging down on the corner??

Oh, she’s the one on the tube…prff, big difference!!

Will someone please ban BuggerMeButtocks?

Why do you want to ban me?
I have as much right as you to say if someone is talking Turds or not.
Ban >_> please…He is talking turds.
Thankyou.

When I read the sentence in the introductory paragraph about there being no potential for filesharing, I just had to raise an eyebrow. I don’t know what sort of organization the PRS is, but I bet you it’s on the side of the media industry.