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“Shoot the Pirate” Copyright Campaign Descends Into Real Violence

While observers criticize Western companies for their ‘aggressive’ anti-piracy campaigns, elements of the creative industries in South Africa are taking things to a whole new level. With their “Shoot the Pirate” campaign, music and TV industry players have taken to the streets with threats to “fight violence with violence.” Hacks into Sony computers to obtain content and warnings of a blood bath only add to the bizarre mix.

According to figures from the Recording Industry of South Africa (RISA), artists and the recording industry lose millions to music piracy every year, a claim echoed by the RIAA and every other RI-XX group in their respective homes worldwide.

Last month a man in South Africa was arrested and discovered to be in possession of logins and passwords which he used to download products directly from Sony Music Entertainment’s computer systems. But it’s when items like these are burned to disc and sent out onto the streets that the real action begins.

The Creative Workers Union of South Africa, a group of music and TV company representatives, warned on Sunday that their piracy fight is really getting out of hand. Perhaps not such a surprising claim when one learns that their current nationwide anti-piracy campaign – and this isn’t some sort of a joke – is called ‘Shoot the Pirate‘.

Creative Workers Union of South Africa president Mabutho “Kid” Sithole said that people involved in the campaign had already received death threats with one label owner being forced to hire bodyguards. Sithole says that artists are so angry the government must quickly intervene to prevent another “Soweto Uprising“, a reference to a series of protests in 1976 that brought 20,000 students onto the streets and resulted in 176 deaths.

While Sithole’s projections hopefully prove to be an over-dramatization, claims that the police aren’t helping led several artists supporting “Shoot the Pirate” to take to the streets last week to confront the pirate vendors. It didn’t go well.

A brawl ensued which at its height involved artists, vendors and police, who reportedly beat up the artists’ supporters. The protesters then moved on and had another brawl with more pirates at another location.

Gospel artist Lusanda Mcinga was arrested along her son who reportedly had to have 10 stitches in his head, an injury sustained after he allegedly attacked a pirate. Mother and son appeared in court on Monday.

David du Plessis, operations director at the Recording Industry of South Africa, said there’s not much they can do about the problem.

“As long as there is a market for it, there will be piracy,” he said.

But despite the mess and the difference in the physical piracy world described above and the one being fought on the Internet in the West, the same old propaganda and claims of lost sales still exist.

Only last week the manager of rising star “Zahara” said that piracy was “destroying our game” and despite hard work “at the end of the day we do not get anything.”

Zahara is on TS Records, a label run by ‘TK’ – the man who had to hire bodyguards due to his support of the Shoot the Pirate campaign.

“The people have spoken! It has never happened before that a newcomer sells 100,000 units within a few days,” he said in September commenting on Zahara’s “unthinkable” success.

On or offline, the problem is the same. Piracy will never be stopped or, it seems, the sales of good music in spite of it.

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  • anonco

    When I saw the title, I tought it will be about RIAA or MPAA. But I bet in coming month it will be true… I can already imagine the RIAA and MPA’s militia invading our streets and homes !!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      It’s called ICE. They’ve already invaded plenty of homes in the name of copyright.

      • mike hell

        ICE is immigration and customs enforcement… The only reason they would raid a house in the name of copyright is it was smuggled from out of country/state.

        • Anonymous

          I’m not so sure about that one, ICE has disabled several domains OUTSIDE the USA, the legalities are uncertain, probably illegal if it were a EU domain and EU decided to press charges.

    • https://thepiratebay.org/ Anonymous

      Man the barricades, load the shotguns, treat them all like the zombie scum that they are!

  • Anonymous

    Shoot the Pirate should be us going after the RIAA & MPAA SCUMBAGS !

  • Onyx889

    im from SA and i havent heard a single thing about this……

  • Reader

    Generally people that sell illegal materials tend to be aggressive due to their financial circumstances, right? Why would anyone be shocked that they would be aggressive in defending their method of income? >_<

  • CHRONOSSANGRY

    NOTE to self , actors and musicians number a small part of society , DO YOU REALLY WANT VIOLENCE?

    WE’D KICK YOU LILLY LIVERED JERK OFF GREEDY ASSES THEN RAID YOUR HOMES FOR FOOD, ITEMS AND PAYBACK

    time to give right back

  • CHRONOSSANGRY

    NOTE to self , actors and musicians number a small part of society , DO YOU REALLY WANT VIOLENCE?

    WE’D KICK YOU LILLY LIVERED JERK OFF GREEDY ASSES THEN RAID YOUR HOMES FOR FOOD, ITEMS AND PAYBACK

    time to give right back

  • Shithole

    Sithole nice name bro

    • http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

      “He comes from a long line of Sitholes…”
      (say the above fast)

      and like all Sitholes is affiliated with the RIAA who are the biggest Sh!tholes.

    • Oli

      I had to read that phrase several times before I finally saw there was no ‘h’.

    • Gae

      They are all Sitholes and Sitheads

      • Glib

        I know someone with that last name, he pronounces it “shi – theed”

  • http://twitter.com/ScytheNoire ScytheNoire

    Wait, so a MAFIAA organization starts a campaign called “Shoot the Pirate” and then gets upset when the ‘pirates’ want to defend themselves and shoot back?

    WTF?! Who thought that would be a good idea to begin with? What did they think would happen?

  • Danny

    This campaign would probably be better suited to Somalia no?

  • Danny

    This campaign would probably be better suited to Somalia no?

    • Ursaring93

      Ya, the autocratic militants their would just love this.

  • Cet

    Peace and Luv, they’d better go relax at http://www.deviloid.net

  • ndmushroom

    Am I the only one who thinks there’s a very clear distinction between people who download stuff on the internet for their own personal use and then decide to share it with others (for the joy of sharing) and people who copy someone’s music, burn it into CD and than go out in the streets and sell it in order to make a profit? It’s pretty clear from the article that “shoot the pirate” (however unfortunate the title) is directed to the latter category (a situation that is common in most developing countries, where the “counterfeit” market is very real, very big and very profitable), which I have no intention of being associated with, and neither should Torrentfreak. The fact that MAFIAAs worldwide are desperately trying to convince the world that counterfeit product vendors and home filesharers are the same thing doesn’t mean anyone should fall into the trap, let alone TF.

    • Anonymous

      I agree. I’m disappointed that TorrentFreak would create the association between itself, its readers, and the other topics it covers and commercial copyright infringement through counterfeit goods. That, in my opinion, is stealing. You are taking a sale from the original vendor for yourself.

      Way to play into the stereotype that downloading a file at home is stealing.

    • Ogra

      I’m not sure I understand the difference. I mean, this whole campaign is about the MAFIAA not being able to tell us what we can or can’t do with our own property, right? So, why can they tell us not to sell our own property, but they can’t tell us not to give away our own property? It seems to me that there isn’t much of a difference besides making money. If the musicians don’t want counterfeiters to succeed, they should do concerts. Movies get shown in theaters. Games should have some server connection. Seems like that’s a more ethical way for them to fix the problem that doesn’t rely on restricting our rights.

      • Anonymous

        The difference is that I wouldn’t buy an album or film, but I’d download it and/or listen to it for free on a stream. The artist doesn’t lose any money because I wouldn’t have bought it (and at my current income- sitting at a public terminal writing this- I can’t even afford the internet access to do either of those things, much less a TV or media.)

        When you download and manufacture copies with the intent to sell them to people that are able/willing to buy them, the artist loses out on money they’d have made because you’re making it instead.

        Now, if you’re selling your counterfeit copies for less than the originals, that can be argued both ways. Regardless of the argument, I think most people can agree that as most movies gross billions of dollars, counterfeit film vendors should be left alone- movie studios overprice the plastic crap out of those things. Music is a little different, because artists barely get any of the revenue from album and track sales, but they still get some of it.

        That’s why I’m all for downloading/streaming for personal use, mass production of counterfeit films, small production (e.g. a family member or friend) of counterfeit music but against mass production of burnt CDs.

        Of course, from a legal standpoint it’s all copyright infringement. Though I’m of the opinion that should change to anything noncommercial being fair use.

        • Ven

          Devil’s advocate here: counterfeiting in Africa for profit is rarely a lost sale. People in these societies barely manage to feed their families. They are still charged the going global rate for music and movies (which is usually set by the United States). They can’t afford to spend a year’s wage on a movie, but if the guy in the street is selling it for 3 cents they may take it.

        • Anonymous

          That’s fair, Ven.

        • Ogra

          Again though, why should it matter if a sale is lost? Why should that be my concern, and what business does the law have in that? It’s still an infringement on my property rights. If I have a copy I acquired legally and I can make more, why shouldn’t I be able to sell them? If the government says I can’t, isn’t that still a restriction of my rights?

        • Anonymous

          Ogra, you don’t/shouln’t have property rights to that piece of digital information any more than a record studio should.

          Fair use does determine that you can sell, rent, or give away the copy when you’re done, but not that you own it.

        • Ogra

          I own my copy of that piece of data. That piece of data exists in a form on my hard drive, and I own that specific copy of the piece of data, and should be able to copy and But if you want to take the digital aspect out of it, I can do that. Say I have a CD with music on it. That is undeniably a physical object, and I have the means to make new copies of that physical object. Why should it be illegal for me to do so? If I can make a copy and give it away (filesharing), why can’t I make a copy and sell it? Why can the government dictate what I do with my property in one instance, but not the other?

        • ndmushroom

          @Ogra: That’s a very dangerous line you’re crossing. Where does your ability to copy (and sell) physical products stop? If you can copy and sell your own (legally acquired) CD, can’t you just as well copy and sell your own (legally acquired) concert ticket? Airplane ticket? And, if you’re a bit more technically proficient, who’s to say you can’t you copy and sell your own (legally acquired) 100 dollar note?
          There’s the law, and there’s your own (or your society’s) morality and ethical code. To my own personal morality, making money out of the hard (or not so hard, that’s not the point) work of someone else is wrong.

        • Ogra

          Airplane and concert tickets represent a permission slip to use limited space. The actual objects have no physical worth. When you make a new one of those, you’re taking someone else’s service. You are placing a burden on someone else by making them accommodate you, not just making something. To put it simply, making the concert or airplane ticket is fine. When you use it though, you place a burden on someone else, and that’s when it becomes harmful. If I’m selling a CD, I’m causing no harm. This same argument applies for money.

          So, now it’s immoral to sell counterfeit CDs? You know, I’m pretty sure that the MAFIAA say that my filesharing is immoral too. Your claim of ethics holds as much weight as theirs. The only factor of ethics is “do I directly cause someone else harm?”. Counterfeiting does not do that, so why shouldn’t I be able to?

          And here’s a question; why is it OK if I’m giving other people access to someone else’s hard work for free (filesharing), but as soon as I start making money from doing it, it’s wrong. Sounds like people just hate profit.

        • Anonymous

          Ogra:
          If you want to charge people for the time and media for a copied CD, go right ahead. The morality isn’t really a question- it answers itself. Why would you do that when YOU got it for free? Because you’re hypocritical and greedy… just like the studio before you.

      • Ven

        ——
        “If the musicians don’t want counterfeiters to succeed, they should do concerts. Movies get shown in theaters. Games should have some server connection. ”
        ——

        And how does that help the development, distribution, and retention of cultural art? It doesn’t. Instead, all of the best art is seen once and forever lost. You may feel the urge to respond and try to tell me that the music and videos should be offered for free. That is not how business works. If you take away the incentive to record music, they will stop doing it. If you take away the incentive to make games that work offline, they stop doing it (just look at the outcry Blizzard is dealing with right now for not offering offline play). Movies will no longer be made to be distributed, and quality will suffer for it.

        They will still use their money to control all the venues, and make sure that only their artists and movies and games are the ones that get to use the platform. Nothing will change except it will be impossible to make a living as a free artist.

        • Ogra

          First, I’m not saying music should be free. I’m saying anyone should have the right to produce and sell their own copies. If that means copies are given away for free, fine. Businesses will have to adapt.

          So, essentially, your argument is that in order to ensure artistic development, we have to curtail property rights… I’m don’t quite accept that premise. I should be able to sell copies I produce, and I find the reality of being told that I’m not allowed to do that more troubling than the reality of somewhat decreased artistic production (if that’s even what will happen).

        • Anonym

          “If you take away the incentive to _____, they will stop doing it.”

          Maybe we artists could get REAL jobs and admit that artistry is a hobby. Money isn’t an incentive, any more than a burger-flipper loves his job because of the paycheck.
          *We wouldn’t get ripped off- the content and money we make would be OURS. Not some multi-billion dollar company.
          *We wouldn’t feel like our lives are awful because no one buys our (often crap to everyone but us) content.
          *We wouldn’t get angry when people do want it, and get it in the most efficient way possible.

          “Nothing will change except it will be impossible to make a living as a free artist.”

          Career artists aren’t free, for the reason I listed above.

          Career artists usually go the way of career athletes and career politicians. Ashamed of their wasted life at fourty, wishing they’d done more, and interested only in themselves.

        • Guest123

          @Anonym

          You do realize that if people can’t make money from making their art, they’ll stop, right? And don’t give me any of that “a real artist wouldn’t quit” bs, because we all know that life isn’t as perfect as that, and when push comes to shove, people will choose working for a paycheck and doing something relaxing over something that will consume a lot of their time.

          This goes particularly strongly for games and movies, which can easily take months to make. People won’t just do that as a hobby, not nearly to the same degree as they currently do.

          There is nothing wrong with an artist making money off of their work. It helps promote the creation of art, while rewarding those who are good enough that other people enjoy their art. It maximizes production while encouraging quality. The downsides are minimal compared to the benefits.

        • Anonym

          Guest123:
          “You do realize that if people can’t make money from making their art, they’ll stop, right?”
          FOSS, CC, and you obviously aren’t an artist.

          “And don’t give me any of that “a real artist wouldn’t quit” bs, because we all know that life isn’t as perfect as that, and when push comes to shove, people will choose working for a paycheck and doing something relaxing over something that will consume a lot of their time.”
          I worked a few dead end jobs as an adult, it didn’t ruin my life. Get a real education, job, and move up in the business. You’d be what’s called a Theory X manager. There are many Theory Y employees in the world.

          “This goes particularly strongly for games and movies, which can easily take months to make. People won’t just do that as a hobby, not nearly to the same degree as they currently do.”
          Again FOSS, CC, and you obviously aren’t an artist.

          “There is nothing wrong with an artist making money off of their work. It helps promote the creation of art, while rewarding those who are good enough that other people enjoy their art.”
          Creating good content isn’t what helps people enjoy art. Hit up YouTube sometime and watch a few accidental and/or crap videos.

          “It maximizes production while encouraging quality. The downsides are minimal compared to the benefits. ”
          When you live in a society that understands fully that there is noise in our media, quality isn’t important. i.e. I can look through a dirty window and know that it’s dirty, I don’t assume the person behind it has streaks on their face and decide I don’t want to be their pal. Today, people want content fast. They don’t want it high quality. If they have to choose between the two, many aren’t going to wait.

    • Anon

      ndmushroom, it’s a nitpick distinction for you with no difference for us.

      Whether you copy and distribute for free, or charge access to the dl site, or just put ads against the traffic, or copy and sell physical product in the street, the net for the artist is the same. They do the work preparing to sell, you possess and enjoy and they get nothing for it.

      You don’t “own” a copyrighted file even when you purchase the right to possess and enjoy it, and you know it.

      Piracy is killing an artist’s chance to sell digital copies in a free marketplace. Don’t be surprised when they begin to return the favor.

      • Predator

        Shut up pay troll. Nobody is interested in your fake opinion.

        Sorry.

      • Anonymous

        “Piracy is killing an artist’s chance to sell digital copies in a free marketplace.”

        No… that would be the major studios and their fear of allowing artists to manage their own businesses (and chose to use that free marketplace.)

      • Anonymous

        if you and your like were that concerned about ‘Piracy is killing an artist’s chance to sell digital copies in a free marketplace’, you would make them more available, at a sensible price, drm free and in the required formats. instead, you restrict the availability, keep the file loaded with drm, it isn’t available in the required formats and you want to charge the same price as a purchase of a physical disk.
        you say ‘Don’t be surprised when they begin to return the favor.’ then you shouldn’t be surprised when the buying public tell you ‘we’re not paying your rip-off prices for downloads and you and your like can shove your plastic disks right up your fucking shit chute as well!’

        • Anon

          We’ll create what we want and we’ll format and package it as we see fit and bring it to market only when we are ready and how we decide. You can purchase it at a price we tell you to pay or you can pass and don’t purchase it as is absolutely your right.

          But if you use your bogus excuses to justify making unlawful copies to get copies of our work without paying us, we’ll partner with our industries and governments to monitor your activities online and and testify against you to prosecute you to the fullest extent the law will allow.

          And if we don’t think the punishment is high enough yet we’ll work with our legislators to get the surveillance and punishments we need to change your life. Over a file.

          Don’t believe us? Read the news lately?

          Think you can stop us?
          Bring it.

        • Fredrika

          > “But if you use your bogus excuses to justify making unlawful copies to get copies of our work..”

          Again you seem confused, obviously lacking the most fundamental knowledge about how society works, and in what direction legislation affects.

          Pirates don’t have to justify anything. The only thing that should be justified is the copyright monopoly’s intrusion into peoples property, which is stealing from them, since that intrusion and theft is what is unnatural.

          Obviously people never have to justify why they don’t want their physical property, that they own, intruded into, or stolen from them, by a legislative monopoly.

          Again this is some of the most fundamental facts about how society and legislation works, yet you seem to have missed this fact.

          > “..without paying us”

          Obviously no one shouldn’t be paid anything, when people manufacture copies with their own physical property, that they own. You get paid when you sell something. No sale = no pay.

          Everybody knows this fundamental fact about how the market and society works. Unless you are advocating communism, or a planned economy?

          Other than that, your comment in its entirety speaks volume about your politics and morals. It’s basically fascism 101.

          Well, to bad legislation and technical obstruction can’t stop F2F, which is the next technically unstoppable and legislatively inaccessible evolution of filesharing.

          You brought it for the last ten years, nothing you did helped, and now you lose once and for all.

          Aah, those windmills.

        • Anonymous

          Anon:
          I’m not sure why you’re using the words “us” and “we.”

          I’m pretty sure, from factors such as your comment about artists doing ‘the work preparing to sell” (which is what studios do in mainstream media) and that consumers “possessing” and “enjoying” content equates artists “getting nothing for it,” (money isn’t the reward, making the art is) that you aren’t -and have never even talked in depth with- an artist.

          Career athletes, artists, and politicians all say the same thing in the end: “I wish I had just [ enjoyed the experience | created something amazing | made a difference ] instead of making it all about the [ fame | job security | money | power ].”

        • Ballsdeep

          The ‘Anon’ cocksuckers are back again. SHLURP SHLURP! Not had your fill of MAFIAA jizz yet?

          The real artists have already abandoned your dead distribution platform – get over it. No amount of legislation will stop them from interacting directly with their audience and there’s not a goddamned thing you can do about it.

        • Ballsdeep

          The ‘Anon’ cocksuckers are back again. SHLURP SHLURP! Not had your fill of MAFIAA jizz yet?

          The real artists have already abandoned your dead distribution platform – get over it. No amount of legislation will stop them from interacting directly with their audience and there’s not a goddamned thing you can do about it.

      • Fredrika

        > “Whether you copy and distribute for free, or charge access to the dl site, or just put ads against the traffic, or copy and sell physical product in the street, the net for the artist is the same.”

        Precisely zero. What other people do with their physical property obviously has zero effect on the artist.

        > “They do the work preparing to sell, you possess and enjoy and they get nothing for it.”

        Obviously on a free market they should have nothing, if they manage to sell nothing. Or are you advocating communism or planned economy?

        That they fail to sell anything is their problem, it’s their responsibility. Failed entrepreneurs obviously have no place on a free market, and no right to any monetary reward.

        Do you not understand basic market rules, such as that fundamental fact?

        > “You don’t “own” a copyrighted file even when you purchase the right to possess and enjoy it, and you know it.”

        That is completely incorrect. You do most definitely own the physical copy that’s in your possession, It’s yours. You do not buy “the right” to “enjoy it”, there’s no need for such, since no law forbids you to enjoy culture or a copy you have in front of yourself.

        Please stop spreading lies and disinformation as you just did.

        > “Piracy is killing an artist’s chance to sell digital copies in a free marketplace.”

        As usual you seem very confused. That is called competition, which is a natural normal effect on a free market. Did you not know this fundamental fact about how the free market works?

        > “Don’t be surprised when they begin to return the favor.”

        Piracy is the act of not accepting a monopoly’s intrusion into people own property, that they own. It’s not a natural right to be privileged with such a monopoly over other peoples property, or favour. On the contrary, it’s unnatural to be given such a favour in the first place.

        When the copyright monopoly no longer works, and stops being privileged to the author as a favour, what exactly do you mean would constitute returning the favour? You seem confused about which party that was favoured in the first place.

      • ndmushroom

        @TF: see what I mean? :-)

        @ Anon: No, the “net for the artist” is not the same. In fact, the artists (which for some strange inexplicable reason you associate yourself to) are very clear when it comes to “physical” piracy, i.e. selling counterfeit CDs on the street, but not so clear when it comes to your average fan downloading an album in advance, or a rare album, or an album for demo purposes, or sharing his favourite music with the world. It makes sense, too: the filesharer buys music (more than the non-filesharer), buys concert tickets, buys merchandise and promotes the work of his favourite artists, which results in extra revenue via ads, compilations, airplay etc. The counterfeiter treats the CDs as, come to think of it, the record labels themselves: just another grocery product to squeeze the last penny out of, regardless of quality or personal taste.
        Next time, try harder.

        • Anon

          That’s like justifying auto theft because you might also purchase custom hubcaps, car washes and contribute cash to the common good via parking tickets.

          Are you saying you are entitled to for-sale products at no charge because you may be inclined to purchase another? oh really.

          lol

          There’s no point in arguing with stupid.

        • ndmushroom

          @ Anon (again): true, there’s no point in arguing with stupid. Am I trying to justify filesharing? No, others have done this before me. I’m just pointing out the difference between filesharing and physical piracy. For fuck’s sake, even if we had a lobotomy and thus bought your “music is a cabbage and therefore copying is stealing” argument, one is “theft” and the other is “theft AND fencing”, i.e. D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T. Get it now?
          Nah, didn’t think you would. But trolls are not known for there intelligence, are they?

    • Anon

      ndmushroom, it’s a nitpick distinction for you with no difference for us.

      Whether you copy and distribute for free, or charge access to the dl site, or just put ads against the traffic, or copy and sell physical product in the street, the net for the artist is the same. They do the work preparing to sell, you possess and enjoy and they get nothing for it.

      You don’t “own” a copyrighted file even when you purchase the right to possess and enjoy it, and you know it.

      Piracy is killing an artist’s chance to sell digital copies in a free marketplace. Don’t be surprised when they begin to return the favor.

  • Anonymous

    1: Can someone explain this article to me, it seems a bit vague…
    2: Why not start something called SHOOT THE BIG 3 RECORD COMPANY EXECS? (used to be Big 4 until EMI got taken over recently)

  • Guest

    After reading the article I think the title should have been:
    “Shoot the Pirate” Anti-counterfeiting Campaign Descends Into Real Violence

  • Guest

    After reading the article I think the title should have been:
    “Shoot the Pirate” Anti-counterfeiting Campaign Descends Into Real Violence

  • Jimbo

    the entertainment industries have no idea what they have started. this is going back to the days where people were tortured, even hung, in respect to copyright. i dont condone it for 1 sec, but i wont be in the least bit surprised if it becomes a reality. and all because of keeping dying industries from adapting to the 21st century and their execs in the mega-rich bracket. what the hell is happening to the world? unbelievable!!

  • Jimbo

    the entertainment industries have no idea what they have started. this is going back to the days where people were tortured, even hung, in respect to copyright. i dont condone it for 1 sec, but i wont be in the least bit surprised if it becomes a reality. and all because of keeping dying industries from adapting to the 21st century and their execs in the mega-rich bracket. what the hell is happening to the world? unbelievable!!

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    Um, wow. just wow. I really have nothing else to say about this.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    Um, wow. just wow. I really have nothing else to say about this.

  • JaredLeeLoughner

    I googled this ‘Kid Sithole’, and all I got was the FBI…
    :)

  • Guest

    “Recording Industry of South Africa, said there’s not much they can do about the problem.”

    Yes there is something they can do about the problem: Go out of business or die Quickly, whichever come first.

  • foff

    Ok I will say it one more time. These agencies that claim millions in losses are full full of shit. Simple example: I have a limited budget 99.9% of the stuff I download I would and could never ever have bought. I would have seen it for free at a friends house or on tv or listened to it on the radio or never at all. My budget for buying any pre recorded media is about $30 per year. With or without the internet that does not change. There is no fucking lost revenue from me. I recently got cable because it was included with my high speed internet. I still download all my shows because I don’t want to watch it when it is on and I don’t want to sit through 20 minutes of commercials for shit I will never buy.

    The point is there is no lost revenue from my downloading stopping downloading will net them zero . In fact they will lose money because I can’t tell anyone to watch a movie or buy a training video I have not seen. My isp is will lose because my need for high speed will be significantly reduced.

    If some half smart judge would realize that the amount of losses the copyright industry are claiming is really about 1/100 or less of what they claim they would realize the draconian blocking that these orgs want is ridiculous.

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  • Guest

    “The people have spoken! It has never happened before that a newcomer sells 100,000 units within a few days,” he said in September commenting on Zahara’s “unthinkable” success.”"

    Ya Right! the people has not spoken yet! Run for your life Zahara! Run!!! fool!!!!

  • Iampirate

    Animals… All of em!!!!!

  • Pure_Insanity_Inventions

    pffff C4 Planted … let them come

  • Pure_Insanity_Inventions

    pffff C4 Planted … let them come

  • SororPisces

    Hi People. I’ve lerked this site for a couple years now, but now I think I’ll say something. TF is bringing us very important news here. I’m thinking of the American Tea Party and the “Put the constituancies that are not Republican in the Crosshairs” (paraphrase), and “If ballots don’t work, bullets will” (direct quote, I believe). What was the result? An unballanced individual who thought it was o.k. to shoot down childrdn, elderly men, and an elected official because they did not hold the proper views. Considering the lenghth that certain organizations will go to, the novel “It Can’t Happen Here” comes to mind. If anyone is interested, first: I am impressed with the level of debat I’ve seen, one of the reasons I come here. Second: I am an alumna of Marshall McLuhan’s alma mater. I look forward to reading more insightful comments.

  • SororPisces

    Hi People. I’ve lerked this site for a couple years now, but now I think I’ll say something. TF is bringing us very important news here. I’m thinking of the American Tea Party and the “Put the constituancies that are not Republican in the Crosshairs” (paraphrase), and “If ballots don’t work, bullets will” (direct quote, I believe). What was the result? An unballanced individual who thought it was o.k. to shoot down childrdn, elderly men, and an elected official because they did not hold the proper views. Considering the lenghth that certain organizations will go to, the novel “It Can’t Happen Here” comes to mind. If anyone is interested, first: I am impressed with the level of debat I’ve seen, one of the reasons I come here. Second: I am an alumna of Marshall McLuhan’s alma mater. I look forward to reading more insightful comments.

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  • TTFN

    Sounds like an old tigers last roar. The next sound will be a whimper. Smartphones with 3/4g and Pandora have made mp3 obsolete.

    Add this as another example for college professors to explain how the music industry made every wrong move at every turn and inevitably sealed their own fate.

    • Ven

      They will lobby against unlimited phone plans (which will go extinct anyway). And Pandora, while great, will pay royalties to the labels. IIRC a song played on radio gains the copyright holder 9.1 cents per play, Once a person listens to a radio stream of a song 8 times, they have made the label more money than they would if they had purchased the song.

      • TTFN

        Pandora already pays royalties, granted they’re due to increase by ~50% in the next three years. Unlimited data plans would likely cease due to more available bandwidth which equals more consumption but they’ll be plenty high enough for hours of music streaming a day.
        I guess my point was people who were willing to buy legit CD’s and pay $1 per mp3 prefer a quality streaming subscription. After missing their opportunity to turn Napster into iTunes they missed it again with streaming subscriptions. Instead this is their strategic move, Shoot the Pirate? If it weren’t so sad/scary it’d be hilarious.

        • Ven

          Shoot the Pirate is very far removed from the battle to sell music over the internet. This movement started and will end in an area of the world that is also used to shooting the apple thieves and the peaceful protestors and the guy with better shoes than you.

        • Ven

          Forgot to post my point (have I mentioned before my distaste for Disqus?).

          Pandora (or moving music listeners to streaming music instead of purchasing) is a win for the labels. It gets them more money, and it moves it through the PROs where they can double dip on it.

        • TTFN

          Agreed, Disqus is terrible. Your attitude is a bit too defeatist but I share your concerns. The social and political implications are disturbing.

          I disagree, they hate streaming and mp3. Printing presses, warehouses and shipping trucks = record labels. With regard to how royalties are worked out, double dipping etc is irrelevant. A (paying) consumer has a choice to use said service or not. The free market will find it’s way.

    • Ven

      They will lobby against unlimited phone plans (which will go extinct anyway). And Pandora, while great, will pay royalties to the labels. IIRC a song played on radio gains the copyright holder 9.1 cents per play, Once a person listens to a radio stream of a song 8 times, they have made the label more money than they would if they had purchased the song.

  • TTFN

    Oh yeah, the dumb itch who’s son got injured, she should be brought up on child endangerment charges.

  • Anonymous

    I kept readjng his name as shithole

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  • DTS

    I’m sure we’ve already come to this conclusion several times, but now is an extremely relevant time to say:

    The threat of death will not stop piracy; you, who attempts to enforce this, has long since lost the game.

  • DTS

    I’m sure we’ve already come to this conclusion several times, but now is an extremely relevant time to say:

    The threat of death will not stop piracy; you, who attempts to enforce this, has long since lost the game.

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  • Jk

    RIAA can hire some gun toting teabaggers and the results would be the same as in Africa. shoot the pirate would be a pipe dream for RIAA employees

  • Jk

    RIAA can hire some gun toting teabaggers and the results would be the same as in Africa. shoot the pirate would be a pipe dream for RIAA employees

  • dib

    Can we please not confuse piracy with bootlegging? If I’m getting the gist of this report, they confronted bootleggers who were selling their ill-gotten materials for personal profit.

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  • Guest

    Africa. That is all.

    • Ven

      Hey, it’s gonna take a lot to drive me away from you.

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