Six Ways File-Sharers Will Neutralize 3 Strikes
Written by enigmax on January 02, 2010After extended legal battles, France’s President Sarkozy finally got his way. This year will see some of the most aggressive anti-piracy action against citizens which, if ministers are to be believed, will dramatically reduce online piracy. This might be possible, if the measures weren’t so easily circumvented.
After some epic legal wrangling, vote after vote, and protest upon protest, the French government finally got their way. In 2010, those caught sharing files illegally in France will be subjected to the much-touted “3 strikes” regime.
When ‘caught’ uploading copyright works for the first time, the owner of the Internet connection used for the alleged infringement will receive an email warning. On allegations of a second offense, a physical letter will drop through the door. On the the third, the account holder will be summoned to appear before a judge who will have the power to fine, or even disconnect them from the Internet.
French senator Michel Thiolliere has told the BBC that the so-called Hadopi legislation will have the desired effect, with nearly everyone warned a second time abandoning illegal file-sharing for good.
“What we think is that after the first message… about two-thirds of the people (will) stop their illegal usages of the internet,” he explained
“After the second message more than 95% will finish with that bad usage.”
It is, however, much more likely that after getting a first warning, or even before, French Internet users will try to find a way round this system. They will discover that it’s surprisingly easy.
6 Ways Savvy Internet Users Will Neutralize Hadopi
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MP3 Search Engines
One of the simplest ways to find music online is to use an MP3 search engine. That won’t be difficult as there are dozens to choose from. Sites like Skreemr, Songza, beeMP3, MP3Realm and AirMP3 are very simple to use and since there is no uploading, they drive a cart and horses through Hadopi. For those who don’t mind getting their hands dirty, Google offers similar functionality with their filetype: search operator.
Direct Downloads
During 2008 and 2009, the continued rise of blogs and forums that link to music, movies, tv shows and games stored on so-called cyberlocker sites was difficult to ignore. Although links can get taken down very quickly by copyright holders, they are often replaced just as swiftly by the communities that frequent such sites. The international music industry is particularly worried about the phenomenon, as tracking those that download from sites such as Rapidshare and MegaUpload is completely impractical.
Of course there are also perfectly legal alternatives, such as the excellent Jamendo.
Streaming Music and Video
While there are dozens of sites to visit directly, for those who really can’t be bothered to look any further and don’t mind closing a couple of slightly annoying popups, OVGuide is a huge portal to thousands of movies, TV shows and general video. With the assistance of the DivX plug-in, most content can be streamed directly in compatible web-browsers.
Music fans who don’t mind to stream tracks in their web browser actually have a few dozen legal alternatives. Grooveshark is one of the most elaborate music services. It holds more content than the average download store, supports playlists and it will roll out an iPhone app.
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Overseas MP3 Sites
Just over the English Channel from France lies the UK. Research carried out there recently by the BPI indicated that usage of MP3 pay sites had increased by 47%. While users do have to hand over money to use these services, at a tiny fraction of prices they would pay in their homeland they prove attractive to those on a tight budget.
Newsgroups
Using Usenet, or newsgroups as they are commonly known, is one of the most secure ways of downloading movies, TV shows, music and video games.
While the learning curve on Usenet is considered by many to be quite steep, once an individual discovers .NZB files – the .torrent of the newsgroup world – everything is hugely simplified. Within seconds of starting a transfer, the user’s connection will be completely maxed-out.
On a practical basis, and certainly as far as Hadopi is concerned, paying a few euros each month for a decent newsgroup account means that French citizens need never fear being disconnected from the Internet. Indeed, not even the first warning email will arrive.
Anonymous VPN
While the above options require that Internet users modify their behaviors, by spending a few euros a month on an anonymous VPN account they won’t have to change any of their habits at all. They can continue to use BitTorrent, eD2K or any other P2P method of file-sharing.
Once subscribed to a service such as Netherlands-based ItsHidden (who also offer a free, but speed-limited service), Hadopi file-sharing investigators will believe that the user behind that IP address is from another country and simply move on.
As the failed and now largely abandoned campaign against file-sharers in the United States proved, scare tactics simply don’t work. There are millions of file-sharers in France and many will simply carry on their activities in the belief that the odds of being caught are extremely slim.
And they would be absolutely right.
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110 Responses
Work with pirates, not against them. I wonder how long it will take the French gov’t to recognize this simple truth.
Very informative article, tho. And I second the mention of Jamendo; it’s a great site with some great (and FREE and LEGAL) music on it.
viv la france
These ’solutions’ are all good. I just wish we didn’t have to get to this point in the first place. I wonder how long it will be until we have government bodies and similar who aren’t so blind and stubborn.
It says “When ‘caught’ uploading copyright works”, but what about downloading?
When one side it restricted by rules and law, and the other side don’t follow any laws well its not hard to see who is gonna win
Well, it says nothing about DOWNLOADING copyright works, just UPLOADING them.
@4:
In many country’s is it allowed to download evry stuff as long you use it to your private use, and as long you have an original product of that you are downloading.
BUT, on the other side og the coin, it is STORNGLY firbiden to share, Upload or any other kinde og distribute it to others.
And that’s whay many get busted for it, in allmost every country
Why you need all these, just don’t live in africas colonies like France :)
Unless you want your car burned every week :)
Viva la torrents and unlimited fiber at hove with ISPs dont giving a shit…
@8
Yeeh right mister smart, and where would that be after all.
where do you live, behinde the Moon, since you have all the freadom like this??
Okay, so who is doing the “catching”? The police? The ISPs? How many people are being dedicated to doing the “catching”? How much money is being spent? Is it being secretly funded by the RIAA and MPAA? Do the people of France even know the answers to these questions?
Does anyone know what the premium itshidden maximum speed is? They refuse to return any emails that ask for support unless you’re already a premium customer.
I seriously doubt there will be enough 3rd strikes. And I doubt even more that ppl who eventually receive the physical letter will stop sharing with many services and the internet informing you about such services that will make you anonymous.
Ppl say vpns are not safe but even if they do keep your billing data MAFIAA would have to first go to the country the ip was registered, get a judicial order to make the vpn provider hand over such data (considering they keep logs on who used which ip) then move to the 3-strikes country (ie France) and issue the first strike. Then the user would move vpn service to a more anonymous. Then…
I guess we have seen where this’ll get. I’m using ItsHidden to download stuff from public trackers when I need it and more recently put.io…. So yeah, this law will work wonders. [/sarcasm]
@10 skot
The media corporations will no doubt have ‘media monitors’ that operate special software that contains a database of it’s content ownership. This software will automatically scan the sharing networks and when their algorithms find a match the software then fires off a notice to the ISP whom in turn forwards it to the customer. The same process repeats for the second and third warning which should be fairly obvious.
Naturally this would all be churned out automatically without verifying that the file being shared is actually an unauthorized file. This could mean every childs school report about Harry Potter could result in warnings, fines and disconnections. This could also mean helping vindictive people take revenge on their targets by spoofing their online IP addresses. The target is always assumed guilty with proof or evidence.
Hacking encrypted wireless networks is very easy and a miscreant can easily commandeer a wireless connection and have a finger point at any unsuspecting victim. All it takes is to get some ’special’ software, a laptop with wireless connection, find the victim, park your car outside their home and scan for a wireless network. Hack the wireless key and start downloading the media corporations most highly prized content. You can even leave your laptop/vehicle unattended for long periods checking back once a day to find out if they changed the key (which would mean they got the first warning). The process is repeated, etc.
This tactic can be used on anyone including lawmakers themselves, either hacking their wireless or spoofing their IP address. Both are very very easy to do.
Anyways, this article is correct that those who get the first warning will instantly become a VPN/amonymizer customer. These companies are going to become wealthier.
In the end, all of the laws and three strikes will become useless, and the media corporations will change their tactics again, all the while not trying to evolve or change their obsolete and dysfunctional business model, and forcing privacy technology to evolve much quicker driving customers deeper out of site. At least the media corporations are helping technology evolve whole driving themselves closer to obsolescence and extinction.
Miss Spotify much?
Probably the best free music service
Won’t programmes like peerblock help?
It’s nice to live in Finland, where internet access is a civil right ^_^
Two thirds and ninety five percent? Have they simply applied a standard deviation on a binomial curve?
@14
Spotify isn’t available freely to all…so in the meantime piracy will have to do. Again.
besides http://www.ovguide.com/,
there is another GREAT site for streaming movies and series;
http://www.ninjavideo.net/
ive just had a thought but could we all park near the mps houses and crack their wifi and download from their accounts eventually getting them all disconnected and as the isps disconnect im sure a few disgruntled employees would gladly leak out whos been cut off …just a thought but not too hard to achieve
It must be also noted that this law is deeply different from the original “Création et Internet” and the commonly defined “graduated response”.
As Gibus from La Quadrature du Net has reported: “anybody found guilty with the “fast track” procedure has the right to oppose to it, and then an usual trial has to take place (and yes this is before the suspension is triggered).”
The crime involved in HADOPI 2is counterfeiting, so even after the 3rd strike, in the fast track procedure, counterfeiting needs evidence from the prosecutor. It will be difficult that a judge may consider evidence for counterfeiting a collection of IP addresses.
Furthermore, the right to appeal (if found guilty in the fast track procedure), and suspend the disconnection until a regular trial is set up, destroys the aim of the intellectual monopoly industries to have automated mass sanctions for mass infringements.
http://www.laquadrature.net/fr/qui-a-gagne-la-bataille-hadopi
I’m pretty sure they will try to send the first letter to everyone after whitch conroversy will arrive about the accuracy of the claims.
Riots will form and so on and so forth France the once glorious freedome fighters will decay into dictatorship.
Another way around these measures:
USE PIRATED WIFI for all questionable downloading. WEP Keys can be decrypted easily, and is still widely used today.
One that i didn’t see mentioned was that there are numerous sites out there, where you paste in a link such as a youtube video and it rips the audio from the video and gives you a download link for the audio file.
24 that’s not an alternative. Youtube’s quality is hurting the ears.
Thanks for the tip about ItsHidden – I didn’t think there were any free VPN services. I don’t expect them to last too long though – they’re based in China (according to the whosis entry), so if the government decides it doesn’t like them…
Yes, Europe is already using alot that…especially Direct Downloads and MP3 engines…. I dont think France will keep the law around too long. We all know that the french arent fat and lethargic like Americans. They will eventually protest (violently too) against this once it becomes a hassle.
Also, I use Jamendo in Rthymbox. It’s pretty good to discover unknowna artist but damn the stupid artist need to fill out he ID3 tags and titling properly…jeez. They do realize they are versing a hundred thousand other artists for plays?
How about the millions of people just continue downloading and see if the broadband service companies really wished to lose millions of customers?
Anybody wanna make bets on how long it takes for HADOPI to go down in flames after it starts sending warning emails to innocent old grandmas, dead people, and inanimate office printers?
I give it a little less than a month.
to 26 .its not based in china its bases in netherlands
The main thing to consider is that downloading in most cases is a lot less traceable than uploading. Most Newsgroup providers do not keep logs.
As for any three strikes legislation lasting very long – simple answer is it won’t. ISPs know that p2p use is a cash cow, and when they start losing customers in huge numbers, such laws will become increasingly unpopular. There will be lawsuits as a result.
And recording streams yourself is an option.
@24 i like the program you mentioned but I need a program to rip audio off of downloaded video I already have. Any suggestions thanks.
I think I will pay the $10 on itshiden to get the open connection Thanks.
Australia censors anti-censorship site http://ow.ly/RAyb and http://ow.ly/RAye Not a good start to year
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3203448/NZs-cyber-spies-win-new-powers
O_o
I suggest everyone seeds “extra hardcore” in protest. Seed ‘em if you got ‘em. Allocate most of your spare upload speed to sharing! And NEVER, EVER give one red penny to the MAFIAA (RIAA, MPAA, or their equivalents overseas)! Every bit helps. When you feed the beast, they give us laws like our French comrades have been given. Don’t reward their evil!
We’ll win this one if we just follow those simple principles (boycott and upload as much as you can). Support independent artists and go to concerts if you can.
33 Jan 03, 2010 at 05:12 by m3
VLC, FFMPG, AVIDEMUX, VirtualDUB, MPlayer(Memcode) and a lot of others will strip the audio from a video I use it all the time(ffmpg)
I think a lot of people who share also read CNN as the comments for this article shows how people really feel.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/01/ebook.piracy/index.html
For trying to neutralize the 3 strikes well laws take years to pass and they take even longer to be readjusted unless people are willing to break the law in mass I don’t see any serious change of that adjustment happening in a timely manner,
In Australia, NZ and Japan the years starts grim. Japan starts to make it illegal to download anything for personal use.
I will wait until anonymous software is available because right now is not that commom and is difficult to use it in linux but it will happen.
Google’s Filetype option is useless. They apparently have filters on it to prevent people from using it to find copyrighted material. Try searching for “britney” and “filetype:mp3″. You’ll get a full 9 matches. Click on the link to show the omitted search results and the number doubles to a whopping 18! Unless you expect me to believe that there are only 18 MP3 files on the entire net with the name Britney in them. Forget the Filetype and just include “MP3″. Sure, you’ll get a lot of crap matches, but you’ll have better luck finding actual song files.
Unless what you’re looking for is even slightly obscure. Then all you get are links to web sites have nothing to do with what you searched for or that claim to have whatever you’re looking for and you can watch all the episodes once you sign up for a membership. Unless there really is a show called “Brain-Dead Corporate Morons from Hollywood”.
@38: Don’t wait, its here: https://bitblinder.com/
Sure its still semi-closed beta, but looking good.
Japan is fine with Share.
Many more are coming, check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_P2P
Yes they will make downloading illegal, then they will make “unauthorized software” illegal (no more free open source, etc), They will probably push “trusted” computing making mods (ala console) illegal; the enemy never rests.
We counter with Anonymous p2p, and they will be forced to search everyone physically, thus losing their advantage and nullify their laws.
Direct downloads suck and will be put quickly under control, thats a dead end no different to old school 0day ftp sites.
Anyone got any good How-To’s for USENET?
For those that are tech saavy in the UK I recommend just reading up on WEP and WPA cracking as well as all the other MAC spoofing, etc if there are no unsecured wireless points in your neighbourhood.
You will note that no one has ever “walked” from punishment even if their wireless was left open or hacked. You’re guilty no matter what, so what the heck?
Oops…and France too. xD
no 41 try slyck.com
Yes, we have entered the bureaucracy serving big corporations’ period.
Notice that it’s exactly what the former so-called communist dictatorships were about : 1 citizen, 1 spy behind the citizen.
And the funniest part… It’s happening in countries that fought the evil “communist countries” until they dislocated.
Nowadays, every member of every government has ’stalin’ as a middle name.
FOR YOUR OWN WELL BEING PEOPLE ! lol
visit http://torrentwiki.tk/
Or just use your neighbor wireless connection :-)
Just use your neighbor wireless connection
visit http://torrentwiki.tk/ !!!
Don’t forget sites like tvshack and Watch-movies-online.tv which allow you to stream movies and tv show through hosts such as megavideo (part of megaupload) in pretty decent quality
Direct downloads? You must be kidding, it’ll be super-easy to find the downloaders & uploaders once the RIAAs & MPAAs see Rapidshare etc. as worthy target. They are very likely to log every download & upload on their servers and if they’re not currently doing it (unlikely), they can be forced to.
Anyone who thinks those sites make them safe is an idiot. Use something like i2p if you want to stay anonymous.
start hacking the french to pieces everyone
show them all how stupid it is to blame someone that doesn’t even know how to fileshare
GO GO GO
Not too much chance of me getting caught then… i already use both anonymous VPN in combination with usenet!
So, 1 other way to neutalize the risk… DL on the weekends?
The panel is entirely French. you really think a french government worker is going to work the weekend?
Question: Whatever happened to democracy in all of this?
I usually just break into someones home, rape everyone then kill them then rape them again then download whatever I want and not even need to my portable rapelaptop and then move on to the next house.
That’s roughly how the world sees a filesharer, yes?
Oddly enough, it comes closest to the real description of how the industry moves through their consumer base when they’ve finished logging their IPs legally thanks to buying enough governments to enable their lawsuits..
Well, happy new year!
@ 35 >> “and that people who weren’t committing criminal offences had little to fear.”
where the hell do these people get off saying that, that`s the biggest croc o crap i`ve seen / heard of…so that just makes it all ok…i mean really wtf?
thanx for the link btw :)
[quote]Hacking encrypted wireless networks is very easy and a miscreant can easily commandeer a wireless connection and have a finger point at any unsuspecting victim. All it takes is to get some ’special’ software, a laptop with wireless connection, find the victim, park your car outside their home and scan for a wireless network. Hack the wireless key and start downloading the media corporations most highly prized content. You can even leave your laptop/vehicle unattended for long periods checking back once a day to find out if they changed the key (which would mean they got the first warning). The process is repeated, etc.
This tactic can be used on anyone including lawmakers themselves, either hacking their wireless or spoofing their IP address. Both are very very easy to do.[/quote]
Sounds good, just hack the official’s networks, D/L, and once they recieve their first E-Mails and Letters, I’m sure they’ll be quick to change the law again…
Thanks god Austria isn’t infested yet, but it can’t take too long anymore, I fear :(
Good article, but all mentioned alternatives are not as stable and future-proof as truly distributed anonymous P2P.
Why not? Because they are FEWER endpoints/servers/… than there are individual file sharers. And fewer always means easier targets for the MAFIAA.
We need to move to truly anonymous P2P networks a la GNUNET, I2P and Freenet soon, and not delay the inevitable by falling back to direct download server and VPN providers that WILL inevitably be MAFIAA’s next target.
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Can someone please modify BT clients to report false IPs to swarm? IPs of idiots who voted for 3 strikes. Let’s keep them offline.
Can someone please modify BT clients to report false IPs to swarm? IPs of idiots who voted for 3 strikes. Let’s keep them offline.
(By false IPs of course I mean DHT and PEX, I know one’s own can’t be faked).
Option 7: Offshore Seedbox
I don’t know how I could live without it.
i-m not the most tech savvy person so the following may be retarted.
I’d assume that the addresses are being got via the ISPs….so aafter you get the letter couldnt you just change your ISP and sign up with a different name? then when you get a letter on the new ISP, change ISP again.
These solutions is bulshit. it is just runing avai from problems not solving them
it is time to deal with these goverment initiatives in one strike.
Bittorent protocol must me modified in a way to make it hardly possible to punish anyone.
Internet is anonymous by design. so just fake source ip and that it, no more way to identify who is uploading. You just receive your files from void space.
Another option is to hack your neighbours wifi connection…
Hello people.
I also recommend that you used encrypted P2P, so that deep packet inspection techniques can’t be used to identify ‘pirated’ content.
Additionally, as your glorious leader, I recommend that you look at Tor, since the ‘piracy’ investigators would then need the logs from each Tor node to track back through to get to the source of content. Since tor doesn’t keep logs, they’ll be kind of screwed.
Remember, the real pirates are the record labels, and big content businesses. They have enjoyed ownership of government ministers for a long time, and can price fix and plunder freely, just like any a typical sleazy Somali pirate.
‘Piracy’ wouldn’t exists if prices were reasonable, and some company with an obsolete business model didn’t want to take a big slice of profit for ‘distribution’, with the content creator only getting a small fraction of the price you pay.
Remember, buying from record companies encourages terrorism, just using lawyers, instead of guns, or explosive pants.
““unauthorized software” illegal”
Yes until they make internet itself illegal and by then people would have migrated to a wifi Peer to peer network that does not even require an ISP. And then what?
Make Wifi illegal? Then make computers illegal?
Well. I suggest we make corporations illegal and retake back our countries and our governments. That will definitively solve the serious problem we are having with corporate parasites.
Seedboxes are the way to go.
Not only do you get way faster download/upload speeds, but you also never have anything being uploaded at all from your home connection.
I loves me seedbox :)
“after you get the letter couldnt you just change your ISP and sign up with a different name? then when you get a letter on the new ISP, change ISP again.”
It might work because I sincerely doubt that their bureaucracy can take care of this. However you will need to have enough choice of ISP such as at least 5 for the trick to work I believe.
One could also use a tool such as Per-Guardian. This will not completly iliminate the threat but It will reduce it almost to zero.
Plus they will be a feedback. The strategy can be reconsidered if you ever receive and Email warning.
Another method would be to use an anonymous P2P software such as Ant, Winny or Mute. For Video it is too slow but for music this is perfect.
SO, pirates are willing to go through all this, but not ready to shell out the money..I thought that pirates were ready to pay money if there was easy and ready access of content..Seems like it was all a lie..I mean..If y’all are going to work soo damn hard not to get caught, to get it for free, then its defenitely about the money..and not about ethics..lol….You people are a joke..
so theres no concesquences for downloading off of usenet?
Check out netsukuku – a peer to peer wifi internet.
I always understood that copyright law says unauthorized reproduction is illegal – so if I download from you, then it’s actually *your* computer (i.e. you) doing the reproduction, not mine. That why I understood that only uploaders are targetted.
This is good news.
And, I like how all of the “solutions” address downloading, when the article states that the legislation addresses uploading. Confused much, TF?
You idiots will do or say anything to convince yourselves that you are winning.
Face it, this is the beginning of the end.
And, you all talk tough, but I’m sure you’ll be second-guessing your need for free songs and movies once that 2nd strike hits and you get that letter dropped off at your door.
Yeah, I know it’s just France right now…but, soon, it will spread.
Long live intellectual property rights!!!
Get a 3g pay as you go dongle, and only pay cash for the top-ups….
How would they catch you then?
@#75 : Yeah, long live the right to milk Elvis Presley for 75 years.
Long live Lars Ulrichs right to snort
a couple million of his hard-earned dollars up his nose and waltz around
pretending it’s the fans who are criminals ..
I want to get paid for 75 years after I’m dead to ..
How ironic, Zarkozy dreams up die Endlösung der p2p-frage and it’s just more of the same old Gestapo-crap .
Hahaha popeye you should stick to what you know (sailing ?) because you argument of *you* pirate when *I* download something from you is really funny.
When someone downloads something from a peer it doesn’t make an extra copy that is sent to you and then destroyed. It works that way : your computer reads a file (which I may or may not be holding rights to posses) and then writes the same file to your computer. The downloader is copying, not the uploader. Furthermore the problem is not in the file-copying itself but in the fact you put some copyrighted work available to anyone without any way to ensure that only authorized people will get it.
I agree with “ha ha ha” that it seems to be a big win for copyright enforcement but he seems to have other problems to understand whats really happening (and what the article is about).
Indeed, letters will never arrive in case of direct downloads son. Read again if you have difficulties.
This legislation is still a big win for CR holder for two main reasons. First, it will considerably decrease the number of people sharing and/or uploading in France (but may have no effect on people downloading). It will thus reduce the efficiency of shared networks.
Secondly, it will set ground for future, tougher AP laws when politicians will realize effects on downloading is far less impressive than what they expected.
As a side note of those two remarks, you can note that if all countries were to enforce such laws, shared networks as we know them would soon die of inefficiency. People would probably turn their attention on faster paying services… and when you are ready to pay for hacked stuff its just sad… and yeah you are an @ss and deserves to be fined (a lot).
Conclusion is : this law may be the beginning of the end for this great era where internet users were pioneers that lived in a free virtual world where rules were only dictated by common usage and what was technically possible.
Never forget that you once lived in that now soiled utopia.
There has to be something sinister behind the agenda to curb filesharers.
Just read any entertainment news and you’ll know the Mafiaa is not losing any money, infact it is the total opposite, movie sales has been going through the roof. Avatar just made over 1 billion dollars world wide.
@#79 Anonymous
Their is nothing sinister behind their intent at all, its just simply greed!
At 61 (and 62): some trackers do this in some way already – notably, the Pirate Bay’s did when it was still active. It would generate fake peers in order to throw off the efforts of anti-piracy companies spying on a given torrent swarm.
Of course, that also meant that if the tracker software generated a real IP address, one which wasn’t even involved in the torrent, there was chance that companies like Logistep/Digiprotect/Video Protection Alliance and ACS:Law would get your information and falsely accuse innocent people of copyright infringement.
THIEVES!
Why anybody thinks this isn’t stealing and justifies it just shows how far we’ve sunk.
I’d like one of you snot-nosed lazy asses to work for a year on something, put your own money into it, then have everybody steal it.
Then maybe you’d have the right to have a valid opinion. Otherwise, just play Doom and work at Mickey D’s.
I”m pro choice. If a band wants to give their stuff away, I’m all for it. But if I DON’T, I shouldn’t have to. You see, I OWN IT, you DON’T!
And don’t tell me it’s because “music is too expensive.” So are BMW’s, go steal one of them!
And lastly, EVERYTHING is too expensive when you work for minimum wage!
What a bunch of losers.
@82
Obvious troll is obvious.
Yes. We gonna have a little war, it’s gonna be like 1940 all over again, Maginot line and all …
@83
Its just Reasoned Mind with another of his sock puppets! Just ignore him!
THIEVES!
Nick, you didn’t create the Internet. I did.
You don’t like it, you don’t like the milions of $$$ you and company made. You and the rest of …… like you came uninvited for a sole purpose of making profit.
Game over, there will be a internet. This time, one for you, and one for the rest of Us.
Good night.
#75 hahaha: “Face it, this is the beginning of the end.”
No, sorry to disappoint you. It’s the beginning of the next evolution. Right now, we already have censorship resistant anonymous P2P networks like Freenet, I2P, Gnunet, … The only problem with those networks is that we don’t have enough participants.
Now, HADOPI-style legislation is a god-sent to finally push more people to those P2P networks. The more their laws go overboard, the fuller those anoymous networks will become… and the more useful too.
I personally welcome those fascist laws a la 3-strikes: they are a good kick in the butt for all those lazy file sharers who didn’t switch to anonymous yet… or who foolishly think that direct download servers and seedboxes would last forever (hint: they won’t, being the next on the MAFIAA’s target list).
“the account holder will be summoned to appear before a judge who will have the power to fine”
So, account holder will be prosecuted for something he has not done? Law upside-down? Innocent ppl have to proof their innocence, and this is in FRANCE?? Sounds like new revolution is needed.
You completely missed the idea that the French can just simply stop uploading completely on BitTorrent. If the entire BitTorrent community loses uploads from France it won’t be that big of a deal. Has anybody ever seen a French uploader in their peer list?
il faut préciser que le juge est “virtuel”, la coupure internet sera automatique et d’une durée de 1 an.
Hadopi se basera uniquement sur l’adresse ip. Si le propriétaire de l’adresse ip n’est pas coupable, il sera quand même condamné pour “non sécurisation de son accès internet.
http://www.torrentnews.net
France SURRENDERS
i can tell you, our politicians really sucks at INTERNET !!!
(they don’t even know what web 2.0 means…)
we’ve got time…for sure, lot of
Here in France all you have to do is have a good IP blocker,working proxy,or go buy a burger at Macdo’s,they all have wifi or your local médiathèques who has real good wifi
@83 “Nick- re: THIEVES”
Nick, why do you assume the right to make a living from making a music track? It certainly never used to be that way and it is certainly not the reason copyright laws were created.
It is a sad misconception you are suffering from and not any affects of the civil law of ‘copyright infringement’, to give it its proper name. It is a very recent concept that one should be able to make a simple music track and make a proper, even prosperous, living forever after on the back of it.
Are you just too good to work for a living? You position yourself socially beyond somebody with real responsibilities such as the Macdonalds employees you refer to.
You sound bitter, presumably driven by a failed investment in yourself. You seem to have, rather arrogantly, decided that this is not due to your own inadequacies (see previous paragraph) or lack of musical or business talent and trot out the same old rubbish that online file sharing is the real reason for your failure.
You maybe failed to market your creation well, you maybe failed to take advantage of opportunities. Perhaps your creation lacked mass market appeal. Who am I to say either way.
What I can say is that the civil crime of ‘copyright infringement’ is not theft, in the same manner as playing music so loudly as to annoy the neighbours is not murder. It simply isnt, despite much PR (notwithstanding that of your own making) to that effect.
I can also say that despite your self-belief and subsequent (perhaps poor) investment you are not the first to not generate hoped for returns on that investment. It’s true to say that many, obviously excluding yourself, go as far as creating actual businesses and do real actual work only to have those businesses and investments fail. Doubtlessly they also would seek to apportion blame elsewhere.
Personally I would consider it wise to accept personal responsibility for failures and learn from it. As you say, you are pro choice. Maybe you chose unwisely? Perhaps next time you will leave your ego out of the equation, as with most business in the big bad world, and make a more prosperous choice.
Investments do not, by nature, guarantee a return.
PS. Please feel free to copy my work (aka text) here, I have no expectations to make a living from it. You understand there is no difference don’t you?
@73, “SO, pirates are willing to go through all this, but not ready to shell out the money..[...]If y’all are going to work soo damn hard not to get caught, to get it for free, then its defenitely about the money..and not about ethics[...]”
Didn’t attend logic class, did we, Mr Anonymous? If going “through all this” is a nuisance (even a bigger one than paying, as implied by your words), then not resorting to the lesser nuisance (paying) clearly proves the exact opposite of your thesis: that is is not about money (nuisance) but about ethics (rights).
amen @95
Rapidshare FTW.
French2English Translation of #91:
it should be specified that the judge is “virtual”, cut Internet will be automatic and one duration of 1 year. Hadopi will be based only on address IP. If the owner of address IP is not guilty, he will nevertheless be condemned for “not security of his access Internet.
Thanks so much!
I love it when they pass such stupid laws–articles like these pop up, and I discover new ways to ahem “pirate”!!
This is stupid. The first 2 warnings require no judicial oversight at all, only with the third can you really protest your guiltiness. Why is this legal?
@90
yes i have ,and more than once…
obviously you don’t know what you are talking about.
go back play with your marbles and leave the men do the “real” talking!
racist…-(
and by the way there are a few french scene groups that provide excellent content with perfect quality(as you would expect from the scene…;)).
but how would you know about it,stuck into your little just-barely-speak-english-only world?
try to learn different languages (if your little brain permits…) and widden your horizons, you might see a bigger world than you thought there was.And it could even lead you to expand your knowledge (well only if you can admit that you don’t know everything!)
good luck to you in your quest for a brain,
a friend who has found the “path”.
@Absolutely NOYB #95
I completely agree! Musicians have no right to earn money by recording music. Creating music, writing books and software, journalism, etc, are purely hobbies, and it’s unreasonable that anyone should be able to make a living. But of course, profiting from third-party’s recordings without compensating the artist is a perfectly valid career if you live in Russia (or work for a major label). I’m looking forward to the day when studio recording is replaced by crappy live recordings to be freely shared. Why should anyone waste hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars trying to make music that sounds good?
@104 Neal (from the studio)
I think you’ll find the music sounds just as good without the vastly profitable and greedy middlemen who are, after all, the ‘rights holders’. Not the artists.
Of course it is not unreasonable to make money from making music, it is not however a mathematical equation that music=money. If business were only that simple.
It is also not true that ‘a downloaded track’='a lost sale’, which is again best left to PR men employed by fatcat ‘rights holders’. It is however, or should be, patently obvious that music fans like music. Quite why anybody would think it good business to destroy free targetted advertising is beyond my logic.
It would be fairly easy to avoid all thes costly laws and free a lot of energy if we all made a library like arrangement for the internet. All countries pay a sum determined by their internet use for services and downloads. If you generate money by the use of the internet you pay if you contribute to the internet with movies music or books or other intellectural services you will be payed by this library fond according to the amount of downloads you generate. And you get payed according to a fixed scale agreed by all participants not the imagined value you invent yourself. So like with the climate change this can be fixed if there is a common will to do so. Or we can destroy the internet and the earth by greed and ignorance – you choose.
I’ll have jandek over bono any day
Good points, I think I will definitely subscribe! I’ll go and read some more! What do you see the future of this being?
Too bad this law doesn’t affect French metro workers or truck drivers.
I love their crazy actions to strike and protest things, even if it’s very inconvenient…
Blocking all the motorways or stopping the Paris metro would show Sarky!
Maybe all French schoolkids and university students could strike for a day??>
It’s problematic in Europe when a large and important country does something, the smaller countries soon start taking after. We really don’t need this.
I imagine that the use of the internet will be free for all to upload and download from, if you think you should be paid for your efforts you fill out an application and are judged by the number of downloads you get. Maybe we will not see the big hollywood productions apply for return and they still want to keep their profitable shows to themselves well let them, mental health and sound view of the world will be better if they do. Culture will be exchanged more freely without them. so eventually they will see the light. Their mission beeing that of creating public opinion that will allow them to keep the system locked to their ideas. How a freely shared internet will evolve with a library like system is difficult to say but I think it should be clearer what is busyness internet and what is cultural exchange internet
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