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		<title>By: heh</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-502883</link>
		<dc:creator>heh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet the slogan of their new DRM will be: &quot;DECE it !&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: laugh</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-502063</link>
		<dc:creator>laugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the DECE news item from the link above...

&quot;The consortium plans to design a logo that will be placed on products and websites to let consumers know that those products and services are compatible with DECE standards.&quot;

Wow, a really big move here by the big boys to design a logo!

&quot;We will be developing a ... specification that services and device makers can license. They can use the logo to associate their device, knowing that when the consumer goes to buy the content, they know it will play,&quot; Singer said.&quot;

What we want is non DRM stuff. This already plays on everything, so why bother big boys.


And the logo should be DIVX as I have lots of DIVX enabled products like my DIVX DVD player and also my PC/laptops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the DECE news item from the link above&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The consortium plans to design a logo that will be placed on products and websites to let consumers know that those products and services are compatible with DECE standards.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, a really big move here by the big boys to design a logo!</p>
<p>&#8220;We will be developing a &#8230; specification that services and device makers can license. They can use the logo to associate their device, knowing that when the consumer goes to buy the content, they know it will play,&#8221; Singer said.&#8221;</p>
<p>What we want is non DRM stuff. This already plays on everything, so why bother big boys.</p>
<p>And the logo should be DIVX as I have lots of DIVX enabled products like my DIVX DVD player and also my PC/laptops</p>
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		<title>By: none</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-501544</link>
		<dc:creator>none</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea exactly, if piracy was banned by isp&#039;s too, then alot of use wouldnt need such high speeds and im sure alot of people would downgrade there package, i only have 10mb line but its only for films if my isp filtered and made it awkward to get them id go back to the 4mb line

and about sonys new drm thing,i would never pay for a digital download as id much rather a copy on cd\dvd if it wa costng money, something i can physicly hold, swap or sell ig get bored with it, i only get the digital downloads now as there FREE! 

i still buy my vinyls tho xD

http://xanthophobia-64.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea exactly, if piracy was banned by isp&#8217;s too, then alot of use wouldnt need such high speeds and im sure alot of people would downgrade there package, i only have 10mb line but its only for films if my isp filtered and made it awkward to get them id go back to the 4mb line</p>
<p>and about sonys new drm thing,i would never pay for a digital download as id much rather a copy on cd\dvd if it wa costng money, something i can physicly hold, swap or sell ig get bored with it, i only get the digital downloads now as there FREE! </p>
<p>i still buy my vinyls tho xD</p>
<p><a href="http://xanthophobia-64.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://xanthophobia-64.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Borderliner</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-501141</link>
		<dc:creator>Borderliner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53

Don´t really agree with ISPs gaining something from cooperation - yes, downstream would be spared and can so be oversold more, but why would anyone even want that much bandwidth if  there´s nothing to do with it. Why on Earth would you need 10+ Mbit? Do you really download that often legal material that you need so much speed? Some dozen Linux ISOs, a handful of black and white movies whose copyright has expired, some HD videos meant to promote the  medium... then what? YouTube &amp; friends? 2-3Mbit is more than enough for those, all that extra that you´re paying for just sits there idly...
In other words: piracy drives the Net, wether ISPs accknowlede it or not all that access that they can sell is, atleast partially, made possible by pirates who want to get more and more stuff faster and faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53</p>
<p>Don´t really agree with ISPs gaining something from cooperation &#8211; yes, downstream would be spared and can so be oversold more, but why would anyone even want that much bandwidth if  there´s nothing to do with it. Why on Earth would you need 10+ Mbit? Do you really download that often legal material that you need so much speed? Some dozen Linux ISOs, a handful of black and white movies whose copyright has expired, some HD videos meant to promote the  medium&#8230; then what? YouTube &amp; friends? 2-3Mbit is more than enough for those, all that extra that you´re paying for just sits there idly&#8230;<br />
In other words: piracy drives the Net, wether ISPs accknowlede it or not all that access that they can sell is, atleast partially, made possible by pirates who want to get more and more stuff faster and faster.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-501012</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is this person stupid or what . sony still manufacture and selling dvd writer camcorder and related stuff that MPAA claim to be main cause of piracy .  I wonder who would listen to such nonsense .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this person stupid or what . sony still manufacture and selling dvd writer camcorder and related stuff that MPAA claim to be main cause of piracy .  I wonder who would listen to such nonsense .</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>piracy is for poor people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>piracy is for poor people</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-500491</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recon the reason why the Music industry is loosing money (so they say) is because people DON&#039;T WANT TO BUY CRAP MUSIC!!! and now they don&#039;t have too either...

I like to mix drum and bass. I have around 500 tracks and i still want alot more. If i payed for the records it have cost me 3000 Pounds.. Plus i wouldn&#039;t know about all the less popular artist. 

So if they manage destroy piracy, they destroy my hobby of mixing drum and bass to a certain extent at the same time..

Its sad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recon the reason why the Music industry is loosing money (so they say) is because people DON&#8217;T WANT TO BUY CRAP MUSIC!!! and now they don&#8217;t have too either&#8230;</p>
<p>I like to mix drum and bass. I have around 500 tracks and i still want alot more. If i payed for the records it have cost me 3000 Pounds.. Plus i wouldn&#8217;t know about all the less popular artist. </p>
<p>So if they manage destroy piracy, they destroy my hobby of mixing drum and bass to a certain extent at the same time..</p>
<p>Its sad</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-500481</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An annual loss of 200 billion is probably a deliberate overstatement used to fuel animosity towards &quot;piracy&quot; (I hate that word), but I hope it is true. Filesharing is the best way to boycott ginormous industries while still obtaining the product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An annual loss of 200 billion is probably a deliberate overstatement used to fuel animosity towards &#8220;piracy&#8221; (I hate that word), but I hope it is true. Filesharing is the best way to boycott ginormous industries while still obtaining the product.</p>
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		<title>By: maxibon</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-500462</link>
		<dc:creator>maxibon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK SONY</description>
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		<title>By: Unnamed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unnamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only good part of sony is Sony Computer Entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only good part of sony is Sony Computer Entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: pirate it all</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-500454</link>
		<dc:creator>pirate it all</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is amazing that ISPs are not helping, they have everything to gain from lowering downloads. the less the average user downloads, the more they can oversubscribe their bandwidth, that = profit. but with the prices going down for upstream, i guess it is about quality of service and the fears of losing customers if they start to filter.

saying that, the RIAA should learn a little something. the days of elvis are DEAD, they need to update their long dead business model of screwing the ethnics out of owning their own music and white fat cats owning all of the music. they have offered nothing new for what they have been peddling since before i was born... they should give more. make dvd instead of cd and put tour clips, things of this nature... maybe then i will patronize... but buy a cd with two songs and the rest filler?? please... and i say that since their movies blow nuts.

have a great day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is amazing that ISPs are not helping, they have everything to gain from lowering downloads. the less the average user downloads, the more they can oversubscribe their bandwidth, that = profit. but with the prices going down for upstream, i guess it is about quality of service and the fears of losing customers if they start to filter.</p>
<p>saying that, the RIAA should learn a little something. the days of elvis are DEAD, they need to update their long dead business model of screwing the ethnics out of owning their own music and white fat cats owning all of the music. they have offered nothing new for what they have been peddling since before i was born&#8230; they should give more. make dvd instead of cd and put tour clips, things of this nature&#8230; maybe then i will patronize&#8230; but buy a cd with two songs and the rest filler?? please&#8230; and i say that since their movies blow nuts.</p>
<p>have a great day</p>
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		<title>By: brickedin21</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-500453</link>
		<dc:creator>brickedin21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>screw this guy, the only reason why he wants to shut down piracy is because he isn&#039;t making 5 million a year hes making 4.8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>screw this guy, the only reason why he wants to shut down piracy is because he isn&#8217;t making 5 million a year hes making 4.8</p>
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		<title>By: crashguy</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/sony-urges-isps-to-cooperate-against-piracy-081001/#comment-500448</link>
		<dc:creator>crashguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They loose two billion dollars a year due to piracy.. I assume this is based on the idea that if people can&#039;t/won&#039;t pirate then they&#039;re going to go out and buy it?

If they were going to buy it, why are they pirating it?

The logic is out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They loose two billion dollars a year due to piracy.. I assume this is based on the idea that if people can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t pirate then they&#8217;re going to go out and buy it?</p>
<p>If they were going to buy it, why are they pirating it?</p>
<p>The logic is out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Izkata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izkata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like they&#039;re just trying to recreate Valve&#039;s Steam...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like they&#8217;re just trying to recreate Valve&#8217;s Steam&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find how much big content &quot;loose&quot; is entirely irrelevent to the question as to whether we should lock down the internet. these are new times, gtfo with your drm and lawsuits</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find how much big content &#8220;loose&#8221; is entirely irrelevent to the question as to whether we should lock down the internet. these are new times, gtfo with your drm and lawsuits</p>
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		<title>By: And what did Sony invent ?</title>
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		<dc:creator>And what did Sony invent ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes you got it - The Walkman. 

Possibly the worlds first reason for mass music pirate copying. Then along came digital with its perfect copy every time  - OOps what a stupid time to get into the content game.

You got rich on the instruments of piracy so stop bleating and live with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes you got it &#8211; The Walkman. </p>
<p>Possibly the worlds first reason for mass music pirate copying. Then along came digital with its perfect copy every time  &#8211; OOps what a stupid time to get into the content game.</p>
<p>You got rich on the instruments of piracy so stop bleating and live with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Meocross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meocross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that they balantly IGNORE COMPLAINTS FROM THE COSTUMERS IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED, they knew DRM made buyers angry, all this new DRMECE is going to do is accelerate the birth of Zero Day Cracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that they balantly IGNORE COMPLAINTS FROM THE COSTUMERS IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED, they knew DRM made buyers angry, all this new DRMECE is going to do is accelerate the birth of Zero Day Cracks.</p>
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		<title>By: TehStalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TehStalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omfg... the only reason I haven&#039;t got a PS3 yet, is because it isn&#039;t hacked!

so Sony.. STFU :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omfg&#8230; the only reason I haven&#8217;t got a PS3 yet, is because it isn&#8217;t hacked!</p>
<p>so Sony.. STFU :)</p>
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		<title>By: Lovely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lovely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, SONY, the next Four Letter agency that cant seem to keep its nose in its own busziness!

http://www.anonweb.eu.tc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, SONY, the next Four Letter agency that cant seem to keep its nose in its own busziness!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anonweb.eu.tc" rel="nofollow">http://www.anonweb.eu.tc</a></p>
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		<title>By: numbnuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>numbnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off topic but relevant I think ...

ISP&#039;s are doing something about it.  Well, ours is at least.  They have just imposed their &quot;Fair Usage Policy&quot; on us.  We have no idea what the value is that they set for this but it must be coming down.  They are now throttling our connection down to 25kbs.  Been using them for years without problems.

Currently using eclipse internet in the UK.  Anyone know of a better ISP in the UK with good track record?  Were moving with MAC code in hand  :-)</description>
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<p>ISP&#8217;s are doing something about it.  Well, ours is at least.  They have just imposed their &#8220;Fair Usage Policy&#8221; on us.  We have no idea what the value is that they set for this but it must be coming down.  They are now throttling our connection down to 25kbs.  Been using them for years without problems.</p>
<p>Currently using eclipse internet in the UK.  Anyone know of a better ISP in the UK with good track record?  Were moving with MAC code in hand  :-)</p>
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