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By: name

name — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:26:37 +0000

Think about prices before sell anything.
I need to move to Spain!

By: stfus pal

stfus pal — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:29:02 +0000

Always after the last word aren't you troll, you'll never have it as we all know freetrard/ stfu/ nubcakes/ eric/ reasoned mind are the same retard or retards pushing the same social engineering that you've been paid to do otherwise you wouldn't be here. We come here cause we want to not cause were made/paid to.

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By: stfus pal

stfus pal — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:05:15 +0000

Probably not because your stupid. If anyone hear is candidate for being a plant its probably you, get em to reveal themselves so they can be rounded up and shot. You know Hitler had people just like you, who pretended to be on the side of "good". Your single minded views have gotten old, no one gives a crap about your opinions, you're just a boring little person with no clue about the real world, and yes if ever someone did fit that stereotypical view of a spotty 40 year old locked away in their parents basement downloading kiddie porn to fap to with their employers its stfu

Thanks for telling us all the truth about you, great that its finally come out in your comments i just edited it for you so its acurate =0)

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By: freetard

freetard — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:26:53 +0000

whenever roze says "in fact…" or "the fact is…" you can be rest assured that whatever follows is the farthest possible thing from a verifiable fact that could possible have been cited.

the fact is, roze's views are about as far removed from reality as the ambiguously-pubescent japanese cartoons he jacks off to.

By: Jack

Jack — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:35:22 +0000

Actually, it is less trivial than you think. It is not at all merely about "getting and downloading stuff." In your deluded mind, it is, but in reality (which, of course, does not correspond to your deluded mind), the issue of copyright has, in fact, much greater implications. __________________________ http://tinyurl.com/4rdhmc

By: stfu

stfu — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:05:13 +0000

As usual Roze goes and just makes shit up. Nothing i have said even remotely suggests support for totalitarianism, you're just an idiot who can't read. i dont care what people do in the privacy of their own home, I dont care if they download crap. Do you understand that? Probably not becuase your stupid. If anyone hear is candidate for being a plant its probably you, get em to reveal themselves so they can be rounded up and shot. You know Hitler had people just like you, who pretended to be on the side of "good". Your single minded views have gotten old, no one gives a crap about your opinions, you're just a boring little person with no clue about the real world, and yes if ever someone did fit that stereotypical view of a spotty 15 year old locked away in their parents basement downloading porn to fap too its Roze. Can I haz rightz? Kthxbai. Boo hoo, gestapo this mafiaa that you're a sum bag freetard who probably steals their neighbors internet, squats in someone elses house and steals food from the local supermarket, and all becuase you've got some self appointed right to take whatever you want. You are a loser, Roze.

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By: freetard

freetard — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:15:20 +0000

You really do have to be extra special form of retard to suggest that the video game industry subsist solely on the "commercial use" of their products.

Anyone with an average IQ would immediately wrinkle their brow at the mere thought of something so inherently, obviously dumb.

Maybe if there was an age requirement for leaving comments, none of us would have to suffer through page after page of Roze's spam.

By: Roze

Roze — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:59:06 +0000

Destroying the MAFIAA is a good thing, especially with all the recent efforts to turn the internet into a police state. Nobody here is saying that copyright should altogether be abolished, but rather that it be reformed: that only commercial usages be reserved for them. And they could easily make more money from the commercial usages. Yet, they don't, and the only reason that they do not is that they just want to retain control over what other people do with such ideas or thoughts.

By: Roze

Roze — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:58:57 +0000

You are most probably an industry plant. Don't say that they don't exist: they do.

By refusing to support the MAFIAA, of course one is protesting. File-sharing is, in fact, refusing to support the MAFIAA.

Also, you are completely retarded when you say, "rip people off." No, it is not ripping anybody off. It is simply the communication and transmission of ideas. You are the one without morals, wanting to impose a MAFIAA Gestapo to control what other people do with ideas and thoughts, based on the idea that some "owner" who "owns" a thought or idea can control what other people do with a thought or idea, and impose a police state on the internet. You are just totalitarian scum.

By: stfu

stfu — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:55:24 +0000

@ whoever

"Nigga, please. Your whole message is that nobody should ever protest against the MAFIAA, and that everybody should stop downloading copyrighted music and movies.
I'm forced to wonder, are you actually trying to make it more and more obvious that you're a hired MAFIAA plant with every single comment you make?"

This plant crap is getting tedious. Let me put it to you this way i can pop over to a certain site, log in on my admin account and view the account details of hundreds of thousands of bittorrent users, so no, I am not a plant, my views on the use of bittorrent differ from yours, but in your tiny mind that makes me some sort of industry plant? Its called an opinion and I am as entitled to mine as you are to yours.

By refusing to support the media industry in any way shape or form you are protesting. Of course that is too much for some of you becuase you cannot live without them. You are sad little people who cant go without your daily fix of axxo rips and scene releases. While that in itself is not an issue, those of you who can find nothing better to do than whine about your non existant right to rip people off only shows those of us (that at least have some morals) that there is no limit to the lowness a freetard will stoop to achieve their goal of destroying the media industry. You do not really care about changing it for the better, because better is not good enough for you. You will not be satisfied untill the only one who has rights is yourself and your ilk. If ever that day comes there will be no one left for you to rip off, then what will you do, when there in nothing left worth downloading? You are 100x more destuctive to the cause commited to the reform of copyright, because you have proven than no matter what, you will never be happy and you will always feel hard done by.

By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:31:30 +0000

Actually, if there was an age requirement, you would be the one who is not here.
Moreover, the only reason why you think that commercial usage of their products cannot create enough profits is merely because you are retarded. There are plenty of commercial usages for anything. It is much more fruitful to make money for usages which actually make money, than usages which make no money at all. In fact, the idea of subsisting on people using it for non-commercial purposes is retarded itself, since it is infinitely better to actually use it in an operation that does make money. Ideas, after all, such as that contained in video games, are meant to be used, not concealed or controlled, and under copyright, they have the exclusive right to use it commercially. The only reason why they would fail to subsist, is their own failure, since there is no inherent right to make money off of other people. In fact, to control usages of an idea or thought, which make no money at all, is tantamount to thought police, since it is the control over what people do with a certain idea or thought, eliminating freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:25:29 +0000

Actually, if there was an age requirement, you would be the one who is not here.
Moreover, the only reason why you think that commercial usage of their products cannot create enough profits is merely because you are retarded. There are plenty of commercial usages for anything. It is much more fruitful to make money for usages which actually make money, than usages which make no money at all. In fact, the idea of subsisting on people using it for non-commercial purposes is retarded itself. The only reason why they would fail to subsist, is their own failure, since there is no inherent right to make money off of other people. In fact, to control usages of an idea or thought, which make no money at all, is tantamount to thought police, since it is the control over what people do with a certain idea or thought, eliminating freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

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By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:05:59 +0000

@42 stfu and @44 Anonymous
Actually, they are quite the Gestapo. They are using copyright to turn the internet into a police state. After all, copyright does regulate what people can do with their private property – and, if ever actually enforced, would, in fact, require a MAFIAA Gestapo, elements of which have already come into existence.

The fact is that to oppose the MAFIAA Gestapo is a good enough cause for civil disobedience. Civil obedience have changed business practices in the past, like sit-ins, for example.

Roze

By: InsuX

InsuX — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:53:57 +0000

CopyParty’s are back <3

By: stfu

stfu — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:47:56 +0000

WooT! I love Spain :D

By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:21:48 +0000

Well, in order for boycotts to be truly effective, one must also propagate the idea to other people, rather than let the boycott remain confined to oneself.

By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:19:31 +0000

The thing is that I am quite sure that there is a substantial population of people who think that file-sharing is a good, and that the recent actions to install a MAFIAA Gespato are bad – the only problem is in mobilizing these people, who seem somewhat apathetic right now about their rights.

By: Spanish ‘Pirates’ Share Files on Government Doorstep | CyberLaw Blog

Spanish ‘Pirates’ Share Files on Government Doorstep | CyberLaw Blog — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:53:51 +0000

[...] Spanish ‘Pirates’ Share Files on Government Doorstep [...]

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:45:13 +0000

Good work Spain

By: Isaac Hacksimov

Isaac Hacksimov — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:50:23 +0000

here some more stuff to check:

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subtitles in english:

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By: www.10ch.org

www.10ch.org — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:41:58 +0000

WRONG AGAIN.
When file-sharing, one is not taking without permission. If a friend is giving a copy of something, the fact is that the friend owns the copy, and since the friend is giving it, one has the permission of the friend to take the copy.

So, freetard, if your goal was to turn yourself into a total laughingstock, then pat yourself on the back, son. Mission accomplished.

By: www.10ch.org

www.10ch.org — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:39:18 +0000

Actually, a MAFIAA Gestapo is exactly what the industry leaders are striving for. A law which regulates uses of private property requires a MAFIAA Gestapo to enforce it – and that is what they want.

By: www.10ch.org

www.10ch.org — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:37:32 +0000

Actually, the prospect of a MAFIAA Gestapo is getting closer and closer. If you think that a MAFIAA Gestapo is not what the industry leaders want, you must be blind. After all, copyright regulates what people do with their private property – and the only way to do that is to have a MAFIAA Gestapo.

By: Dan

Dan — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:20:59 +0000

Some interesting points above with some terrible analogies (Godwin’s Law in full effect).

I believe that most downloaders see it as a petty crime (if a crime at all) and until it hits them in the pocket they’ll carry on doing it. STFU’s correct when saying people wouldn’t want to break other laws to continue this practice.

However, all attempts by the industry to stop this are pretty much of the sledgehammer to crack a nut approach. If the industry carry on with three strikes and trying to enforce disproportionate punishments people will protest (read a Davenport Lyons thread).

Me, I’ll carry on boycotting games with DRM, and won’t buy a DVD for as long as they put that “you wouldn’t steal ..” crap on it.

By: isaac Hacksimov

isaac Hacksimov — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:50:04 +0000

We are just starting to stand up a global campaign to promote P2P as the most powerful tool ever created for spreading culture, you will receive some news really soon, any international colaboration will be appreciated ;-)

Let's show that network acts now, and we will fight not just to stop "P2P criminalization", but to promote the recognition of this tool by our governments.

By: Aninhumer

Aninhumer — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:36:19 +0000

The concept of “intellectual property”, that artists have an inherent right to control the use of their works has no moral reasoning. The concept has just become so ingrained, because of copyright laws, that people assume that it is a moral argument.
There IS a moral argument that artists should be supported, but copyright is only one means to facilitate that, and one which is becoming increasingly obsolete in the modern era.

By: weemikey

weemikey — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:13:12 +0000

thanks binsy, i enjoyed your video. some very salient and cogent arguments. good stuff :)

By: Joe

Joe — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:46:44 +0000

I think this argument will always come full circle, products that I purchase should entitle me to share them or give them away to who ever I want. When we start getting into the technical aspects of the actual content on the physical media format, there really is no separation of the physical disk and the content which has been encoded on it. I’m not really concerned with the contracts that come with the disk/format, because the law supersedes any wishy washy contracts between the customer and the company.

I don’t feel like I’m stealing from anyone, if someone didn’t want to share his/her copy of our culture, then he/she would not have posted it up on a P2P site or software. The people who take the position of “it’s piracy”, are shortsighted and have very simplistic views of copyright laws.

By: freetard

freetard — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:34:58 +0000

"FILESHARING IS NOT THEFT, ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD 'THEFT'."
——————————————————————————————————————————

DEFINITION(S) OF "STEAL"
1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force
2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal

so anon, If your goal was to turn yourself into a total laughingstock, then pat yourself on the back, son. Mission accomplished.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:26:01 +0000

stfu: "You don’t have to. Don’t buy their movies, don’t buy their music don’t download anything they produce." Hahahah. Nigga, please. Your whole message is that nobody should ever protest against the MAFIAA, and that everybody should stop downloading copyrighted music and movies. I'm forced to wonder, are you actually trying to make it more and more obvious that you're a hired MAFIAA plant with every single comment you make? You're gonna get fired :( Lying Mind: "If I worked my ass off on some digital file of work intending to sell and you stole a free copy ...." First of all, Ricky Retardo, it's impossible to steal a free copy of anything. Helpful Hint: You should at least wait until you graduate Kindergarten before you start posting on the Internet. Second, if you're going to just repeat the delusional fallacy that filesharing is stealing, then I'm going to keep pointing out these two simple facts for the benefit of your poor reality-challenged little mind: 1. FILESHARING IS NOT THEFT, ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF EVERY STATE, PROVINCE, PREFECT, AND NATION ON THE FACE OF THIS ENTIRE PLANET. 2. FILESHARING IS NOT THEFT, ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD 'THEFT'. So when you call filesharing "stealing", the only thing you're doing is letting everybody know that you inhabit an ass-backwards fantasy world. If your goal was to turn yourself into a total laughingstock, then pat yourself on the back, son. Mission accomplished.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:19:48 +0000

MAFIAA gestapo? ROFL, you dipshit Roze. Way to relate two organistions, one organised crime and another an secret police force.

Ridiculous.

@38 : I doubt it will come to that. If filesharing or encrypted traffic ever become too hard to use by whatever means there’s always stenography. This involves encrypting content in such a way that it’s undetectable as encrypted content or as anything like whatever the content actually is.

So you might hide a music file inside a PICTURE FILE for example.

See http://stegoshare.sourceforge.net/index.html

By: Manuel

Manuel — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:17:18 +0000

@stfu and others:

The aim of the action was to get attention from the media, create a public debate, make public that there are people who are against the restriction and control of the Internet and for free culture.

I think we achieved it. Before this action and some others, Government was complying his plan for the Sarkozy’s model and against P2P networks acting like if no one cared about it.

Now, they have to defend themselves, the decisions are on the newspapers, they won’t be able to pass their decisions through the backdoor anymore.

By: stfu

stfu — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:15:15 +0000

@ Roze

“Ignoring them complete does not solve the fact that they are trying to force everyone to live under a MAFIAA Gestapo”

For god sake get it through your thick head, they are not the getapo, they are a business, and they only way to get a business to listen is by boycotting them and their goods.

As long as you are downloading their crap you are showing them that you are interested in what they have to offer, the net result of which is an interest in controlling that. If you show disinterest then you effectively eliminate any control they have becuase their control stems from want, you want what they have to offer. You do not need civil disobediance, you just want to cause trouble. The alternative are not good enough for you because you want want want. You are a product of them, and you are only showing here that no matter what you say, they STILL have control over you. The sad think is you are too blind to see it.

By: SplitIce

SplitIce — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:55:14 +0000

Good on them, I wish we had laws like that in Australia.

Splitice
http://thewarezscene.org

By: Actually i said htis a year ago

Actually i said htis a year ago — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:19:34 +0000

once it becomes hard to do this via the net we’ll do it via laptops and extranl drives
we’ll travel around and trade city to city town to town and one way or antoher YOU will get it free.

until they stop being stupid aobut taking OUR rights away like htese secret ACTA meetings on anti counterfeiting stuff aimed at the people that pirate and sell things.

What are they sooooo AFRAID OF TELLING us that IT HAS TO BE DONE IN SECRET??????????

By: iiZNZNZNZNZ!!

iiZNZNZNZNZ!! — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:12:50 +0000

This looks more like a presidential debate.

Who are you voting for? ;)

By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:34:01 +0000

@35 stfu
Ignoring them complete does not solve the fact that they are trying to force everyone to live under a MAFIAA Gestapo. A MAFIAA Gestapo does not go away just by ignoring it. The fact of the matter is that a MAFIAA Gestapo will interfere with everybody using copyright as the excuse.

Boycotting them is all fine and good personally, but unless one establishes an organized way to boycott, and an organized way to get people who are not boycotting already to boycott, then it will not make a dent, and merely be ineffective. That is why organization and unity is much more important.

Civil disobedience is not stooping to their levels, nor is it an endorsement of them. It is simply an act of resistance against control by the MAFIAA Gestapo.

Roze

By: stfu

stfu — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:04:15 +0000

You don’t have to. Don’t buy their movies, don’t buy their music don’t download anything they produce. Ignore them completely. Download free music by independant artists, download and use open source or free software. Vote with your wallet. Don’t give them the fuel they need to stoke their fire, only then will they see that the way they do business is socialy unacceptable, only then will they realize that society does not need them and they will take a pounding. If you continue to download and distribute their crap, you are half doing their job for them, you are helping them to advertise their wares, and though you may not pay for it in terms of money you are paying for it by being their tool. There are better ways of achieving your goal than stooping to their level.

By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:42:19 +0000

@33 stfu
The right not to live under a MAFIAA Gestapo is a right worth fighting for.

Roze

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:24:04 +0000

roze is just a kid behind a computer with delusions of grandeur.

even his pirate cohorts don’t understand half of his long-winded, meandering, irrational, opinions.

he is about as far removed from reality as one could possibly be.

By: stfu

stfu — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:09:34 +0000

They are not taking away your rights. They cannot take away that which you never had in the first place. As soon as you understand that the sooner you can get on with your life. Untill then you are simply in a state of denial, fighting for something that doesn’t exist For it to exist would require a total collapse of the system that supports it. That is unlikely to happen, but if it does, there will be nothing left for you to fight for becuase it that very system producing the very thing you are fighting for. You would be the victim of your own success, and it would be an empty victory.

By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:51:26 +0000

“Dictate to anyone about anything”? Sorry, you mistake us for the industry. I do not see how you can say that we are taking their websites down, or how we are leading them to arrest, or how we are extorting money from them through FUD. It is the industry dictating to us, not the other way around.

It is the industry who is trying to take away our rights. This is why we cannot just sit around and wait until our rights are taken away. It is as clear as day, that if we do not do something about it, this is what will inevitably happen.

Roze

By: Reasoned Mind

Reasoned Mind — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:43:10 +0000

“It is about time that something was simply done about the unjust law.”

Yeah. Good luck with that, Roze. If I worked my ass off on some digital file of work intending to sell and you stole a free copy or changed it and then put it back out there or made illegal copies and gave them away, taking my value with nothing for me, you’d spend your kids inheritance on lawyers before I was through with you.

It’s narrowminded anarchist thinking like Roze’s that has compelled the legal problems we have with this issue. Only Roze has rights, apparently. Industry lawsuits were not an action, Roze, they were a REaction to an illegal activity. We’ll keep this simple. Pay the price or pass on possession and we have no problem. Take my work for free and I’ll do everything within my human limitations to crucify you.

By: stfu

stfu — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:41:14 +0000

Yeah because saying that someone should not have the “right” or “privilage” to copy a cd and give it away to tightwads is soooo horrendous. Jesus you people just have no clue do you. I am not the one perched on a pedistal of moral superiority, I could care less if people download. I make no value jugements on people who do, I mind my own business. I just do not think any of you have the right to dictate to anyone about anything. Your twisted view of society and reality is obvious. You have no argument, you have no REAL support from the public at large, no one cares about your opinions, no one can be bothered to go shouting about how they like to commit copyright infringement “Hey look at me, I know you’ll all think I’m scum because I cant be arsed to pay for anything”. Hahaha. People do not want to attract attention to themselves. People are like me, they will carry on doing whatever it is they are doing without feeling the need to protest about it. People like you are retarded, they are attention whores, and they give the rest of us a bad name. Am I a troll, maybe, no doubt if you had your way you’d remove my right to free speech becuase you don’t like what I have to say, I do not agree with you, my opinion is threatening to your so callecd cause and I point out the sheer absurdity of your argument. Well aint that just tough.

By: Roze

Roze — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:15:43 +0000

@25 stfu
How about you STFU. Your trolling is a waste of time anyways. The idea that private usages of property like copying, which, in fact, does not interfere with other people’s activities at all, is so ridiculous, that it would have to be spun up by a moron. Simply put, there is no “right” to interfere with what does not interfere with other people’s activities. The only “right” it violates is the “right” to interfere other people’s abilities to do what never interfered with other people’s activities at all. Using common sense, there is no way copying a CD, and handing it to a friend interferes with the activities of those rights holders. Natural reason sometimes is necessary for the initial reasoning, but at the end of the day, when the reasoning is done, and all obvious things have been concluded, there will always be the denialists who can never see the truth, and have the delusion of somehow feeling morally superior, when, in fact, it is the other way around – one of which includes you. You say that it is a “right” but in reality, it is merely the “right” to do horrendous injustice upon other people. Your twisted sense of morality is, in fact, immoral. Polite discussion is bloody politics – it is time to simply denounce people like stfu as advocating the right to do immoral things. It is about time that something was simply done about the unjust law.

Roze

By: Roze crap more

Roze crap more — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:10:53 +0000

If Roze spent perhaps one tenth of the time it spends writing on this blog about abstract ideas in it’s own mind and exhorting other people to prosecute actions – just one tenth of the time, actually DOING SOMETHING for itself such as organising actions like this then perhaps it would be worth listening to.

As it is all we have is a bunch of long-winded opinions about how things should be and what people ought to do according to it all written from the relative comfort of it’s desk in front of its computer.

In other words it is a mindless windbag who’s ideas will never come to fruitition except by the hands of others. Although of course it will be “along for the ride” in it’s own mind by continuiong to type crap here and achieving precisely jackshit.

By: stfu

stfu — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:35:08 +0000

@ mememe

Come back when you finish grade school, maybe then you too can have an adult conversation.