Movie Industry Wants “Speed Bumps” for Pirates
Written by Ernesto on June 01, 2009In just a few weeks the UK government will announce their new anti-piracy legislation that aims to put an end to most illegal file-sharing. The exact nature of the proposals are still unknown, but installing “speed bumps” for pirates is a good option according to the film industry.
The UK entertainment industries are desperate to stop piracy, but haven’t managed to make up their minds on how to tackle the problem. Instead, they simply throw some new ideas in the direction of the government, hoping that at least one will stick.
Just two weeks ago a coalition of several British “creative industries” called on the UK government to implement legislation that would make it possible to disconnect repeated copyright infringers. At the time they were convinced that the French model was the right way to go, but it appears they have already changed their minds.
The UK film industry – backed by some of the same organizations that previously called for the disconnection of pirates – now think this approach is too extreme. Instead, Internet service providers should slow down repeated offenders, in the hopes that this will stop their defiant behavior.
“We see the use of technological measures as similar to creating road humps – they will make potential copyright infringers pause and think twice,” Lavinia Carey, chair of Respect For Film said in a comment.
In addition, the movie industry group vaguely mentions the possibility for ISPs to block access to ‘pirates sites’ or at least warn their customers that they could end up in court if they continue to download copyright infringing content.
By itself, the speed bumps are an interesting approach to the ‘piracy’ problem, but we seriously doubt it will have much effect. A reduction in available bandwidth will surely annoy people previously used to downloading a lot of content, but will it also stop them from return to their old habits when the bumps are gone?
Or phrased in the speed bump analogy; will speed bumps on a road still have an effect on the behavior of drivers when they are removed? It might very well be that the restrictions are only effective when they are in play, which makes them useless as an anti-piracy tool.
Nevertheless, the UK government has committed itself to helping the entertainment industries tackle the piracy problem. In the words of David Lammy, Minister of State for Intellectual Property: “We know that the copyright industries in the UK are suffering huge losses due to illegal downloading.”
The use of the term ‘copyright industries’ by Lammy is telling. Meanwhile, Minister Lord Carter is tasked with making sense of all the industries’ piracy solutions. The legislation he comes up with will be announced on 16 June.
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The ISP’s is gonna get so much shit for that, since no matter what the customer uses the connection for, he/she still have paid for the speed.
So – the moment this happens, your ISP is degrading your service beyond the terms of their contract – allowing for a breaking of that contract?
Hell – the moment they announce it they are changing the terms of the contract which allows you to walk away.
Which ISP won’t play policeman?
I despair that the UK Pirate Party can’t get their shit together and offer an actual choice. Especially now the entire system is collapsing.
Maybe it’s time to go into politics…
it won’t stop anything. people will simply upgrade their line or go with a different provider. the entertainment industries seriously need to take a step back and look at ‘illegal piracy’ objectively. there’s a huge opportunity to make massive amounts of money if these companies would simply realize that the internet isn’t going anywhere and that for every hinderance, there’s a way around it…
This won’t work, why would ISPs care about what you are downloading. They just don’t as the could lose money via disconnecting.
Virginmedia is already applying a type of very annoying speed bumping, just have a look at their traffic management policy.
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html
I would not be concerned. :)
No matter what law they put forward, 4 pounds gets you a VPN connection that gives your virtual car wings to fly over the virtual speed bumps on the internet super highway ;)
Arrr!
The UK has already robbed smokers of their rights as well as bar-owners and the like as well as labeling free-thinking radio hosts as terrorists so… Why not attack the public who use the internet?
Ridiculous. The UK is a prime example of big government out of control.
@A
The UK Pirate Party is currently holding their elections, and formulating their official Party Constitution. Once that’s done, it can file as an official party.
http://pirateparty.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29
Meh time to get a seedbox me thinks.
I’m already fed up with Gordon for pretty much everything. Vote in the petition for him to resign
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/please-go/
If he screws this up to i’ll be furious. DIE BROWN DIE!
I’ll probably just get a massive cantenna and use someone else’s internet or a public hotspot.
UK government has gone crazy.
Urgh
Here’s how you stop piracy.
1 of the most populair things on usenet and BT are TVshows.
why? Because if you missed an episode of your favorite show, your fucked.
Or if its a show from another country, you might not be able to see the latest epi for anywhere between a month and never on your TV.
So you download them.
Here (Holland) about half the channels put all of their shows online right after they air. You have to watch 30 seconds of add’s before the show starts, but thats it. and no banners or anything in your screen (unless you dont watch fullscreen).
Then again… downloading a TVshow is (still) 100% legit here anyways.
Hmmh, if this would become common around Europe, I guess I, for one, would just expand my good old WASTE network. (For those who don’t know what the hell I’m talking about; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE )
Darknets FTW
I don’t think any politician in the UK is in any position to dictate to anyone right now, seeing as how they’ve all been caught with their hands in the till.
Anyway, the answers are right in front of you all. In fact they,ve been there for hundreds of years. No act of parliament or statute has any power over you, if you don’t agree with it.
The British people are being ass-fucked and they have no idea how easy it is to put a stop to all this crap.
http://www.tpuc.org/
Spanish VPN FTW!
In Spain, a judge has dismissed a case against a man who downloaded and shared 3322 copyrighted movies on the Internet. Despite efforts from local anti-piracy outfits, the legal system in Spain continues to stand firmly behind those who share music and movies without financial gain.
http://torrentfreak.com/downloading-3322-movies-is-okay-in-spain-090529/
Sorta already happens. Get my bandwith cut to 25% when ever i DL lots during the day. Due to the wonderful fair usage policy Virgin Media has.
ISP’s that are owned by the entertainment industry have a big interest on what people download as for VPNs they’re useless against Bandwidth throttling what people could do about it is use wirelles and make a giant big wireless multiplexer.
Theoretically that can be done with landlines and optic cables to if you are willing to spend some money on a wireless router LoL
Too bad it’s not yet trivial to do these things.
If the speedbumps indeed come repeatedly or if they are about to appear, I might just think about investing in a plane and a pilot’s license.
Where’re your speedbumps NAO?!?
Well done, “creative industry”. :(
How can someone tell if a file is copyrighted or when the copyright runs out? My grandfather made some demo tapes in 60’s before he signed a record contract(he gave them to me in his will), I want these songs to be in public domain but they sound almost the same as the ones he recorded for the record companies, they now claim they are bootleg copys and they own the rights to them. I believe in the public domain but it looks like copyrights are soon to last forever and it is getting very hard to put something in the public domain.
Virgin medias alright imo, acording to there policy, you can download as much as you like bewteen 10pm to 10am, so whats the complaints? download at night and watch during the day, its all good imo
fuck this. british people only act when they are pushed lol and eventually we are gonna get a strong enough shove by these big media corporate fucks for us to have had enough with it.
this might be it we will see
19 Jun 01, 2009 at 23:30 by Bloodyscot
http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/
Basically you have to look at the local laws in japan no works do ever go to the public domain only when the creator say it is to be free.
people themselfs are not getting much money nowadays, and the economic era is upon as a plague. Young kids can’t easily get a job, and therefore downloading creations of any kinds are a good thing to do, and to take these kids into court would only hurt them more than the record companies.
Please adjust to the new era of internet usage, stupid companies, we have done it, why can’t you?!
@ 21 um are you on glue why would a canadian look to japanese law ?
stupid response completely devoid of reason
ALSO copyright was orginally CREATED TO GIVRE THE AUTHOR A LIMITED COMPENSATION FORM SOCIETY FOR A LIMITED TIME
NOT 10 years, not 20 YEARS
not 50YEARS,
NOT 75years
not ( USA ) 95years + life of author
LIKE ya know why the usa is sinking trillions in debt?
no one can afford to innovate of anything HAHAHHAHAHAHA
@23:
Hmmm…here I will try again
Basically you have to look at the local laws.FOR EXAMPLE,in japan no works do ever go to the public domain only when the creator say it is to be free.
Sorry my bad.
ps: you are a jerk for speaking to people in that tone, and should be ashamed for not having any good manners at all.
I don’t see how this could work. If BitTorrent traffic is encrypted, how can your ISP determine whether what you’re downloading is legal or not? And if they decided to just cap all BitTorrent downloads, can they even do that? There are, after all, legal and legit uses for torrents…
“the entertainment industries seriously need to take a step back and look at ‘illegal piracy’ objectively. there’s a huge opportunity to make massive amounts of money”
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that’s what the creator of bittorrent thought when he tried to monetize his protocol. turns out he was wrong. bittorrent inc is in the proverbial trash bin.
while the possibility of a valid business model exists, the most intelligent people in the world (on both sides of the copyright debate) have been unable to conceive of one.
the ad-supported schemes have not proven to be as effective as originally thought. myspace music is a disaster. facebook and other social networking sites face an uphill battle and are more hypothetically valuable then they are currently — which immediately harkens back to the dot com bubble. anyone know how mininova’s system to help artists is going? funny TF never posted an update on that. one can only imagine why…
it’s not like the entertainment companies are holding back the floodgates on some obvious business model that is beneficial for everyone.
so far, it doesn’t exist. not even on paper.
@25:
They cannot infer the legality but what they can and will do is analyze your traffic patterns and throttle you back to the stone age and if not challenge they will do it forever.
Ah, speedbumps on the information superhighway — just as clever as the rest of their ideas.
@29 – owned =)
@26:
“so far, it doesn’t exist. not even on paper.”
How about jamendo and magnatune are they too in the toilet?
Revision3 don’t make money?
I can go to a Panera Bread and get a 5mbit connection. In my town, you can sit in one place and have access to 4 wireless networks, all 5mbit. How will this stop them? Ever heard of servers…?
And how would this be done technically? I mean someone would have to prove that I am downloading things which lead to a “bumping” of my connection. Since it’s all encrypted I can see no way this could be going smoothly or have ANY effect whatsoever. You can’t disconnect or slow down people simply because they have accessed a website and the transfers are indistinguishable from “legal” content. If I download a 700MB movie or a 700MB linux iso from some website my ISP only sees packets flying. We’ve seen that the industry is unable to cope with evidence gathering and they’re just as unable to determine who is downloading what and why. Fix your god damn business model and we’ll stop downloading from these places … maybe.
Can I have a speed boost if I am not involved in illegal filesharing?
Yes number 2. Politics is where it is. Why the hell do you let foreign corporations dictate over your lives?
Piracy problem? Legalize non profit copies (Swedish Pirate Party agenda). Problem solved.
As i see it these corporations represent a minority whose business models have become obsolete with technology. If they keep pushing and slave governments keep obeying, the community will respond with fully encrypted anonymous p2p like they did in Japan.
The culture of sharing is not going to stop, no matter what the RIAA and MPAA do. Call it a generation divide if you will, time is precisely their worst enemy. Technology can only improve, bandwidth and storage increase and the sued teenagers of today will become the politicians of tomorrow.
Well for TV its very easy. All they have to do is put their own official trackers, and seed the episodes with ads and all, just like they broadcast on air. To them, the coverage of the station suddenly becomes worldwide. Most people will likely go directly to the official page to download the episodes if the option was there. Of course they must match the quality of the community, and not use weird drm or anything of the sort.
Ignore the issue or attempt to prosecute, and they will only lose their little bit of extra revenue worldwide coverage provides. Its their call, be stupid and die like the dinosaurs, or adapt and evolve.
I dare the ISP’s to pull that, it would be mayhem.
Isn’t this “new” ’slow down repeated offenders’ just old school throttling? There are plenty of ISPs that already do this in the UK…
@20 – Virgin Media claim to offer unrestricted access between those hours, however from about 1pm our net connection would begin to slow until 4pm when it would be un-usable till the next morning. We’re talking 10 minutes to load Google! That is simply taking the piss.
My other house is with Orange and we have been with them since the days of Freeserve, 7.6mb down, 30GB fair usage for £5/month and only 1 polite message asking to try and restrict usage – no crappy slowing down of my connection and no bending over to the BPI!
Who cares what the industrys want if it was up to them copyrights on everything would be 2000 years. They would remove public domain if they could but instead they just increase the length of copyrights by bribing officials via lobbying.
Content industries dream (and masturbation material):
Copyright forever – minus a day
The futures reality,
copyright 5-10 years (Pirate Party agenda), or something else (business model) to replace copyright because nobody gives a flying f**k about copyright anymore.
Bye bye labels and RIAA,IFPI,MAFIAA scum… you will be remembered but not missed, although we will visit to p!ss on your graves.
“How about jamendo and magnatune are they too in the toilet?
Revision3 don’t make money?”
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not in the toilet but not a shining beacon of hope either. the advertising dollars, once dispersed, don’t amount to anything, at least as far as the content creators are concerned. the “tips” aren’t keeping anyone fed or housed. not enough of their userbase is donating, most are just freeloaders which is the same thing all these web 2.0 companies have seen time and time again. so no, these are not valid business models in their current form and to embrace them would be to bankrupt the industry and the artists.
the film industry faces the biggest hurdles as there’s no way an advertising/donation model could possible fund even the average film’s budget. to force this on them could quite conceivably bring to a halt anything of a medium to large budget.
revision3 itself made a little money although they haven’t made public any evidence to this claim. the real question is did any of the show runners and content creators make money?
the answer to that is: LOL
the problem all of these companies share is not enough revenue divided between too many parties. unless artists agree that poverty is the new goal, it’s not sustainable.
the business model you all claim needs to be implemented does not exist.
avast yhe! this will nay ne’er work! the be full o’ these har “speed bumps”! we be callin them wa’es yarr.
yhe best be facing wa’es head on or yhe be goin t’ Davy Jones’ locker!
(rough translation: this will never stop pirates. they will fight it.)
One word:
Encryption.
I can’t see any ISP seriously considering this option. Sure, it’s the movie Nazi’s wanting this, but if my speed drops like a rock, know who I’ll take it out on? My ISP. I live in a larger city with quite a few broadband choices. Buh-bye, pick a new one and be up to full speed the next day, the only loser being my original ISP.
This sort of thing might make the movie moguls happy, but it’ll be guaranteed nothing but problems for ISPs.
Yeah, I’m sure that’ll work out…
Finding a new business model is not going to be easy or make alot of money at first. Many people will still go to movie theaters and live shows, CD/DVDs is the main problem but many will continue to buy if they are priced fairly and easy to get and use. TV made alot of money from advertising but took years to get to that level and cable TV is still working to catch up. Apple/itunes is one way for songs and Netflixs for movies are showing some possible models. Changes to radio has hurt new music maybe more than the internet, internet radio has started but needs a DJ or something to make it more fun. The way the RIAA/MPAA have gone about things has not helped, the new laws seem to help the companies more than the artists and have pissed off alot of people. Piracy is wrong but it does seem to help some new bands at the cost of some of the older groups. New movies are problem but if they release them worldwide at the same time would help some. If the RIAA/MPAA focused on only afew new songs and movies and let the public know this it would be a start to really slowing down some of the more costly piracy. If they try and stop everything at once it will only destroy the internet and piss off more people.
Everything is exploitable! ?????
Ironically all the talk on piracy and upon looking at this article, it promptly reminded me to check whether my torrents are running :P
Its also important for these idiots to keep in mind that pirates are consumers too, i rent movies, go to the cinema and buy games, and watch ads, I would think that a large chunk of pirates don’t have the bandwidth or the time to pirate everything. GTA IV is a good example the think is 13 gigs now that is piracy prevention right there, a month to download versus say maybe 20-30$ (defiantly not paying what ever ridiculous new release price they are charging) it seems to me that instead of wining to the government to help they should be trying to steal back there distribution through torrenting shows with commercials as suggested above, through following google by first getting the consumer what they want then finding a way to make money off of it, by releasing all 1080p shows or 20gig games to make the prospect of downloading daunting. instead these people stick their proverbial toe in the water and when a fountain of cash doesn’t erupt they go running to the nearest government official and point at the isp and say hes hurting me, grow up and handle your own problems if you cant then you dont deserve to exist and someone will be happy to take your place.
i don’t rent movies , i don’t buy games , i don’t watch ads, i don’t at all no longer buy into the propaganda, nor should anyone that its ART.
they cant cal themselves artists when its a publisher or movie house or big music cartel whose only purpose is to squeeze every last dime from humanity to the point where:
music is no fun
20$ pop n popcorn at movie theatre and some guy searching you like a convict
like give me a damn break
screw da man
im sick a being nice about it.
These economic terrorists have to be stopped before they gut earth totally
I don’t consider myself a “pirate” at all. I see myself as a generous file sharing person. I don’t download or share music or movie because I don’t like the music or the movies that are out there these days.
I like to share educational materials so people and educate themselves on certain subject matters. It is a great thing to share the wealth of knowledge. I encourage people to keep on sharing and don’t let anyone stop you no matter what. File sharing will never be stopped, period!
Please don’t get discourage with all the intimidation strategies and tactics that the governments and the “entertainment industry” trying to impose upon us. So far, nothing has worked for them. Soon they will give up and embrace the technological revolution as we have. They need a lot of time to learn, understand and accept the changes. We need to continue to show them the way and set example for them by keep on sharing on P2P networks. People with great hearts share what they have to others without expecting anything in return.
Peace
@2… Just like up in Canada eh.. Not only are we capped we are throttled (to a lesser degree every time bell\rogers get media attention)for their throttling.. Massive usage charges and we don’t even have docsis 3.0 yet..
@7 it doesn’t matter if your capped.. your just introducing overhead using more bandwidth then you would without a vpn..
@29.. Agreed.. That is how has been in Canada for a year or two now.. Worst thing is a Canadian company builds the majority of the boxes that ISPS use to throttle in NA..
@46.. Your not going to be happy in Canada.. 2 choices 1 dsl\1 cable.. You can avoid the caps with third parties but not throttling..
“i don’t rent movies , i don’t buy games , i don’t watch ads, i don’t at all no longer buy into the propaganda, nor should anyone that its ART.”
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charging money for art does not negate the artistry. the vast majority of the world’s greatest works were created under commission or to be sold upon completion. the vast majority of the world’s greatest artists routinely and unabashedly SOLD THEIR ART TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.
your supposed definition of art does not exist in any dictionary.
I’m in favour of this fckin fast connections, atleast it’ll help me seed 1:1 on my torrents- my Up= 50 Kbps
“Copyright industry” is a good name. These companies are, after all, “digital rights manufacturers.”
Maybe it’s time to start thinking about a new way to upload and share files?
Don’t they already make a bunch of money either way?
Here in Australia we have these sorts of monthly limits.
If we download over our quota, we are slowed down to sub dialup speeds.
It doesn’t stop us.
I wonder how they’ll decide what is pirated and what is legitimate bandwidth?
What about those that are paying for legitimate services such as movie and music downloads?
Who is going to keep track of all this? Is the ISP going to hire extra staff to look at everything that every customer is downloading? Is that going to even be possible?
Who is going to be paying the costs for the extra staff? Who is going to be covering the costs of lost business if they mistakenly disconnect legitimate users?
What if the ISP’s sue the wrong person who is rich and powerful enough to fight back, sue them and win? Who’ll pay to cover the lawsuits, the ISP or the RIAA/MPAA?
Are the ISP’s in business for themselves trying to make money and keep customers happy, or are they working free of charge for the RIAA/MPAA?
Huh? Hello, RIAA/MPAA I know you’re reading this and so I know the ISP’s are reading this too.
There…legitimate questions.
Oops.
Sue* the wrong person = accuse/disconnect the wrong person…
I fail to see how this will trap anyone but the ill-informed, if at all.
Encryption will solve file spying indefinitely. The only data ISP’s have to go on is the traffic and amount of peer connections per customer account. With only this small statistic, how can ISP’s effectively monitor its customers on a daily basis?
They’ll do nothing but enforce speed limits on those with a high peer connection – speed ratio. With encryption in the works, they won’t be able to tell what’s legal and what’s not.
This is not the way to combat piracy. This doesn’t even ome a stone’s throw close to the solution.
Oh well, back to the old drawing board, eh my fellow UKians?
ome = come…damn typo.
Gordon Brown is already in enough shit, What makes you think he will piss off the populace more
What this means is throttling ALL BitTorrent traffic since tracking what’s being downloaded/uploaded is technically unfeasible.
Why the fuck are they concerned about lost revenue. British content sucks. IMO, in the last few years, not one piece of british made content has been worth watching.
Perhaps a new business model would be to make something that isn’t unbelievably shit and obvious its on a tight budget
43 – Jun 02, 2009 at 02:08 by Anonymous
That seems odd since the IFPI is trumpeting that digital is a 3 billion market already in the U.S. alone which is about 3 quaters of the total revenue of 2008 according to their numbers and growing at 20% ~ 50%.
In 1990 the industry made $8171.82 (in millions inflation adjusted) and in 2008 the industry made $9,630.6 (in millions) in 2008 so the industry growth was above 10% and every other year show the same pattern of growth even before the internet exploded and if you date back to the 80’s you see the same where are those massive losses from sharing oops pirating?
font for the box office gross:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/
More funny is the numbers of tickets sold despite the VCR, radio and TV you can see that in 2001 and 2002 the year the internet sharing exploded that was the year that the industry made fewer films sold more tickets and had a strong growth how could that be?
Where is the massive losses?
Ask Madonna LoL
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/madonna-tops-2008-music-money-makers-list-1003940730.story
Did she or did she not make a lot of money?
London removed their “speed slowing” devices when they realized the 8 lives a year they saved were outnumbered by the 800+ people who died due to Ambulances not being able to respond fast enough…
I would hazard that we could probably draw the exact same conclusion here
@43:
Is madonna going to the poor house because of falling CD sales?
She even sold $18 million dollars in merchs, is she “internet sharing” oops! piracy immune?
Please show us hard numbers and fonts so we can all agree that sharing is bad and move on or assume that you can’t prove anything that you are saying and leave the people alone.
Realistically, a speed bump approach would definitely work, at least for a while.
Not everyone wants to spend on a VPN or a seedbox and many people lack the knowledge to do this.
Of course “hardcore” downloaders will not be affected, but casual downloading will definitely be reduced.
In afew years TV, cable, telephones, radio and the internet will start to become one and speed bumps will be a problem for many new companies, some that may not even be around today. 20 years ago microsoft’s DOS was barely known of and no windows and google hadn’t started yet. My desktop computer and TV are one unit now and my laptop and cellphone are almost. Companies must change with the time or go under(if big enough baled out). These new copyright laws need to change, we currently have every talking movie, 99%of record music and 99% of books under copyright and will be maybe forever – aday. With so many copyrights overlapping the court will over run with lawsuits in afew years, great for lawyers but bad for companies and everone else. There are 100s of thousands of copyrights out there now that few people know about because of the automatic copyrights, not counting the orphan copyrights which no one knows who owns and have no time limit since no one will know when the owner dies.
orphan works in international agreements was set to 120 years starting from the creation(first appearance in physical format)
Internet TV will suffer, internet Radio will suffer, video sharing sits like Daily Motion, YouTube and others will suffer, distribuition of opensource software and development will suffer just to show a few of the very many, many, many parts that will suffer.
And we all know how the throttling thing went well the last time ISPs tried.
Classic example of how the governments of this world are sharing a bed with big corporations….lets face it people, the government serve multinational companies because they bring more international power than individuals on minimum wage. Democracy is a joke…in a time when there is no money around the government are still looking for new ways to help big business rape us of our money,our only means of survival!
Plenty of respect to all sharer’s out there…i live ma life based on decisions of morality, i dont follow laws because the moron riddled government tells me that i should…I share wot i want with who i want and i will till the day they send 100 crack commandos with 100 litres of elephant tranquillizer to slay me….stand up for what you believe in people and dont listen to a word the UK government try telling you
shutting down the whole thingy now would be huge setback to global advancement. p2p has opened the minds of the common folk who otherwise would have never discovered all the greatness of the digital age.
that would be like putting Bill Gates in a dark room 25 years ago.
i say let ur rip and see where it goes and the hell with the money thirsty large corperation who want to keep the general public from accessing this great digital age
and besides , goddamit, i was just putting together this huge super computer, a massive storage of information, an extention of my brain.
and you want me to stop???
@74 Anon
” London removed their “speed slowing” devices when they realized the 8 lives a year they saved were outnumbered by the 800+ people who died due to Ambulances not being able to respond fast enough…
I would hazard that we could probably draw the exact same conclusion here”
I can’t see how this analogy works. The lives in question depended on physical speed bumps (sleeping policemen LOL), whereas the internet is not used as a response tool for the emergency services. So with the virtual internet speed bumps, no lives could be lost.
As a side note, has anyone in the UK noticed the neuro-linguistics the government has taken to using in order to brainwash the public? For example, what was first a “speed camera”, is now a “safety camera”. FYI the police and other authorities are trained in neuro-linguistics by a “charity” called Common Purpose.
http://www.cpexposed.com/
Throttling, or “fair use” policies as they wish to call it, is already in place in the UK and has been for some time. This came about a couple of years ago, as I seem to remember, when the government issued a statement saying that if the ISPs didn’t take any action on piracy, then the government would legislate, forcing the ISPs to take draconian measures.
To be honest, I feel a lot of sympathy for the ISPs. They quickly took the throttling option as the better alternative to government legislation. They are in an impossible situation. Do they traffic shape and risk alienating their own customers, or let the government force them to hand over user data? No matter what they do they can’t please everyone.
Of course I could say the same as someone else on here said previously, that if my connection slows I drop that ISP and move to another. But since “fair usage” is a common policy with all ISPs, it wouldn’t do me any good anyway.
People – don’t take it out on the ISPs. They don’t want to police the internet any more than you want them to. After all an ISP is a run-for-profit company and it isn’t good for them to displease their customers. It all comes back down to the anti-piracy lobby groups like the BPI, IFPI and **AA again and again. Someone, something has to stop their manipulation of both copyright laws and governments.
Is the whole MAFIAA gang full of pussies, in physical or literal sense (sometimes both)?
To a certain extent it already has. You have ISP, like Bell in Canada, that already do bandwidth shaping as a general practice. They tell you it’s only during certain hours but I can tell you it’s on all the time. The nasty part of it is the downloading speeds are fine its the upload speed where they nail you on. You a re pretty much confined to being a leech because your ISP is preventing you to upload
The best solution I’ve heard to the whole piracy issue, is to have a reasonable levy on broadband access. This way, if you want to use p2p software, you have already paid to pirate to your heart’s content. The levy would pay “compensation” to copyright owners and hopefully shut them up and make them go away. However I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one..
To all those who say “but I don’t use p2p so I would be paying the levy for nothing”.. Well, the same is true for lots of things, car tax for example. You still pay the same amount even if you only use your car once a year.
It’s not a perfect solution I know, but much better than trying to force ISP’s into ridiculous situations, or threatening and intimidating individuals.
speed bumps? the fuckers already throttle enough as it is!
If this is what they implement I will lol because crypto will pwn this.
We really need to replace TCP with a protocol that has crypto built into it so isp’s and other 3 letter agencies cannot spy on people.
I will never be stopped from downloading as much music software and films as I like. Ha fucking ha.
this isn’t going to work. the riaa/mpaa seriously needs to realize that no matter what methods they try to implement, the internet will always be full of stuff for people to download, no matter where we all live in the world, and there’s NOTHING they can do about it.
To whoever said that tv broadcasters should seed their own torrents with ads and all, it is a good idea, but i think it cannot work because of licensing issues between countries.. A lot of the big networks already offer previous episodes of popular shows in streaming, but those are only available in the country they are from… Same thing for BBC Iplayer only available in the UK and Zattoo offering national channels only…
The British government is one of the most corrupt in the world. They can’t even be trusted to manage their own expenses without fraud. So is it any wonder they are bought and paid for by the copyright cartels?
I live in the UK. I will continue to do what I do, just as much as I have always done it… Slowing me down… That will just annoy me, but no way am I going to be paying for something to an industry that does not deserve the money, or paying for something like Adobe Photoshop, which otherwise I would not be able to have at all… I fail to see how this will make a difference, other than annoying the customers…
Surely the artists and programmers deserve some money for their efforts?
Would you like to work for free?
I download a shit load of films and stuff and would be pefectly willing to pay a reasonable monthly fee to continue doing this. What I resent is paying excessive amounts for media such as £20 for a film you watch once and possibly dont even like! There are fair revenues to be made if the suits would meet us half way.
Me think music don’t need copyright to protect the artist people buy merchs from the artists they like and go to concerts, maybe to protect the artist from plagiarism that would be okay.
Cookie now! please :)
Do the ISP’s want to lose their customers? I don’t think so.
@92 Jules
“Surely the artists and programmers deserve some money for their efforts?”
Yes they do.
“There are fair revenues to be made if the suits would meet us half way.”
There’s the sticky point. Those artists and programmers who really do deserve to get paid won’t get zip if it went to the suits. They claim to be acting on behalf of the artist yet I’ve not heard of a single case where any of the compensation won either in or out of court has got back to the artist.
THAT’s what I call “stealing”. If there is to be any “meeting half way”, it should be with the artists and not the money grabbing anti-piracy groups.
Oh no! Disaster! Now it will take 5 hours to download a movie instead of 1 hours or less.
That’ll work.
Use a small ISP. Problem gone.
Two words: Seed Box
You guys make it sound like it’s an us vs. them war. Struggle for power – isn’t it? If we don’t fight back, they will take it all!
Let’s be honest with ourselves. You’re poor, and you’re angry b’cause you can’t afford to buy a movie ticket, or too ugly to leave your house to go to the theater.
This has nothing to do with high movie prices, record profits, the oil companies, bands releasing their CD’s for free. This is all about you being a bitter child, focusing on everything that makes you angry and powerless.
PS. If you like a band, why would you take their music without paying them? Don’t you want to appreciate them and their work? Money is appreciation. When you say “I don’t have any money to give you”, you are saying – I don’t have any appreciation for you. There is no love here for you. So I must take it… It’s the ONLY way I can have it.
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