Let’s be honest with ourselves. You’re poor, and you’re angry b’cause you can’t afford to buy a movie ticket, or too ugly to leave your house to go to the theater.

This has nothing to do with high movie prices, record profits, the oil companies, bands releasing their CD’s for free. This is all about you being a bitter child, focusing on everything that makes you angry and powerless.

PS. If you like a band, why would you take their music without paying them? Don’t you want to appreciate them and their work? Money is appreciation. When you say “I don’t have any money to give you”, you are saying – I don’t have any appreciation for you. There is no love here for you. So I must take it… It’s the ONLY way I can have it.

That’ll work.

Yes they do.

“There are fair revenues to be made if the suits would meet us half way.”

There’s the sticky point. Those artists and programmers who really do deserve to get paid won’t get zip if it went to the suits. They claim to be acting on behalf of the artist yet I’ve not heard of a single case where any of the compensation won either in or out of court has got back to the artist.

THAT’s what I call “stealing”. If there is to be any “meeting half way”, it should be with the artists and not the money grabbing anti-piracy groups.

Cookie now! please :)

We really need to replace TCP with a protocol that has crypto built into it so isp’s and other 3 letter agencies cannot spy on people.

To all those who say “but I don’t use p2p so I would be paying the levy for nothing”.. Well, the same is true for lots of things, car tax for example. You still pay the same amount even if you only use your car once a year.

It’s not a perfect solution I know, but much better than trying to force ISP’s into ridiculous situations, or threatening and intimidating individuals.

I would hazard that we could probably draw the exact same conclusion here”

I can’t see how this analogy works. The lives in question depended on physical speed bumps (sleeping policemen LOL), whereas the internet is not used as a response tool for the emergency services. So with the virtual internet speed bumps, no lives could be lost.

As a side note, has anyone in the UK noticed the neuro-linguistics the government has taken to using in order to brainwash the public? For example, what was first a “speed camera”, is now a “safety camera”. FYI the police and other authorities are trained in neuro-linguistics by a “charity” called Common Purpose.

http://www.cpexposed.com/

Throttling, or “fair use” policies as they wish to call it, is already in place in the UK and has been for some time. This came about a couple of years ago, as I seem to remember, when the government issued a statement saying that if the ISPs didn’t take any action on piracy, then the government would legislate, forcing the ISPs to take draconian measures.

To be honest, I feel a lot of sympathy for the ISPs. They quickly took the throttling option as the better alternative to government legislation. They are in an impossible situation. Do they traffic shape and risk alienating their own customers, or let the government force them to hand over user data? No matter what they do they can’t please everyone.

Of course I could say the same as someone else on here said previously, that if my connection slows I drop that ISP and move to another. But since “fair usage” is a common policy with all ISPs, it wouldn’t do me any good anyway.

People – don’t take it out on the ISPs. They don’t want to police the internet any more than you want them to. After all an ISP is a run-for-profit company and it isn’t good for them to displease their customers. It all comes back down to the anti-piracy lobby groups like the BPI, IFPI and **AA again and again. Someone, something has to stop their manipulation of both copyright laws and governments.

that would be like putting Bill Gates in a dark room 25 years ago.

i say let ur rip and see where it goes and the hell with the money thirsty large corperation who want to keep the general public from accessing this great digital age

and besides , goddamit, i was just putting together this huge super computer, a massive storage of information, an extention of my brain.

and you want me to stop???

Plenty of respect to all sharer’s out there…i live ma life based on decisions of morality, i dont follow laws because the moron riddled government tells me that i should…I share wot i want with who i want and i will till the day they send 100 crack commandos with 100 litres of elephant tranquillizer to slay me….stand up for what you believe in people and dont listen to a word the UK government try telling you

Internet TV will suffer, internet Radio will suffer, video sharing sits like Daily Motion, YouTube and others will suffer, distribuition of opensource software and development will suffer just to show a few of the very many, many, many parts that will suffer.

And we all know how the throttling thing went well the last time ISPs tried.

Not everyone wants to spend on a VPN or a seedbox and many people lack the knowledge to do this.

Of course “hardcore” downloaders will not be affected, but casual downloading will definitely be reduced.

Is madonna going to the poor house because of falling CD sales?

She even sold $18 million dollars in merchs, is she “internet sharing” oops! piracy immune?

Please show us hard numbers and fonts so we can all agree that sharing is bad and move on or assume that you can’t prove anything that you are saying and leave the people alone.

I would hazard that we could probably draw the exact same conclusion here

revision3 itself made a little money although they haven’t made public any evidence to this claim. the real question is did any of the show runners and content creators make money?

Ask Madonna LoL

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/madonna-tops-2008-music-money-makers-list-1003940730.story

Did she or did she not make a lot of money?

Where is the massive losses?

the business model you all claim needs to be implemented does not exist.

That seems odd since the IFPI is trumpeting that digital is a 3 billion market already in the U.S. alone which is about 3 quaters of the total revenue of 2008 according to their numbers and growing at 20% ~ 50%.
In 1990 the industry made $8171.82 (in millions inflation adjusted) and in 2008 the industry made $9,630.6 (in millions) in 2008 so the industry growth was above 10% and every other year show the same pattern of growth even before the internet exploded and if you date back to the 80′s you see the same where are those massive losses from sharing oops pirating?

font for the box office gross:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/

Perhaps a new business model would be to make something that isn’t unbelievably shit and obvious its on a tight budget

Encryption will solve file spying indefinitely. The only data ISP’s have to go on is the traffic and amount of peer connections per customer account. With only this small statistic, how can ISP’s effectively monitor its customers on a daily basis?

They’ll do nothing but enforce speed limits on those with a high peer connection – speed ratio. With encryption in the works, they won’t be able to tell what’s legal and what’s not.

This is not the way to combat piracy. This doesn’t even ome a stone’s throw close to the solution.

Oh well, back to the old drawing board, eh my fellow UKians?

Sue* the wrong person = accuse/disconnect the wrong person…

What about those that are paying for legitimate services such as movie and music downloads?

Who is going to keep track of all this? Is the ISP going to hire extra staff to look at everything that every customer is downloading? Is that going to even be possible?

Who is going to be paying the costs for the extra staff? Who is going to be covering the costs of lost business if they mistakenly disconnect legitimate users?

What if the ISP’s sue the wrong person who is rich and powerful enough to fight back, sue them and win? Who’ll pay to cover the lawsuits, the ISP or the RIAA/MPAA?

Are the ISP’s in business for themselves trying to make money and keep customers happy, or are they working free of charge for the RIAA/MPAA?

Huh? Hello, RIAA/MPAA I know you’re reading this and so I know the ISP’s are reading this too.

There…legitimate questions.

If we download over our quota, we are slowed down to sub dialup speeds.

It doesn’t stop us.

Don’t they already make a bunch of money either way?

charging money for art does not negate the artistry. the vast majority of the world’s greatest works were created under commission or to be sold upon completion. the vast majority of the world’s greatest artists routinely and unabashedly SOLD THEIR ART TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

your supposed definition of art does not exist in any dictionary.