I live in the most ‘bandwidth challenged’ part of the most ‘bandwidth challenged’ so-called develped country. the main isp’s offer low upload speeds, and the faster isp’s are way too expensive. Closer peers does not equal faster download speeds unless they have high upload speeds. I often check to see which peers upload fastest and it is usually some swedish or other european, japanese, canadian or FIOS (verizon) IP address. I got 480KB/s from a bredbandsbolaget peer before. I’m in the southeast U.S. and i hate seeing *.bellsouth.net, *.ga.comcast.net or anything else nearby in my peers list. give me some peers across the pond with +200KB/s uploads please.

this also appears to go against the BT protocol rules. sounds like another gnutella2 to me, a swarm within a swarm that connects first to all the 25KB/s (divided by 3 upload slots) peers nearby before finally reaching out to the high capacity peers in other countries. NO THANKS!

Anyway, back on topic, i have uninnstalled Ono, because, i dont like processes doing what they like, not even showing it to me, i started to see the pings and tracerts like you said, seen that they came with azureus (Thanks to sysinternals process explorer, win task manager is cr*p) and then, came to this page, maybe in my linux installation, this wont bother too much, but in win, im paranoic, i dont want self run process that i cant kill, so, ill not use anymore, but, i really didnt see any change with it, im in latin america, with a 1mbps connection, and i had always maxed my connection with azureus, rightly configured, obviously. Thats the end of my review.

Unfortunately I’m stuck with it because utorrent (which is really great) doesn’t work very well with wine. :-(

Any other client in the league of azureus and uTorrent I should try, which also works in linux?

If you only got 7-10Kb/s while using Azureus it’s because you didn’t configure it correctly.

I am on a 20Mbps connection and regularly max out my connection at 2.5 MB/s

Of course anyone who has to use a java app like eclipse or azureus is not going to believe them. They’ll believe their own eyes.

All the JIT magic and advanced compilers might help on a numerical benchmark but once it comes to actually interfacing with the system you find the standard libraries impose all kinds of overhead before you can actually get anything done.

Nonetheless I use azureus, it’s dog slow on my dual-core 2Ghz machine which is pretty sad but what can you do?

Any bias in the choice of peers is just going to make it harder for the networks that are being shunned to find peers and they’re the ones which will need the largest number of peers.

One fact is that Azureus is horrifically slow on Windows compared to any other client. Another fact is that I can run rtorrent through ubuntu in vmware using less resources than Azureus takes up. Any other FACTS we PEOPLE might NEED TO GET?

I highly recommend against using ono until it’s developed further. Slowed my pentium d 930 to a halt[/quote]

Ahh.. No wounder why my computer is so slow now lol. But yeah, still works great though!! Getting speeds up to 100kb+ as before i only had 20 kbs

I highly recommend against using ono until it’s developed further. Slowed my pentium d 930 to a halt

The concept to this plugin is good. I used BitTyrant too for a while when I still ran Azureus. But seriously, *especially* with a modern system where you’re using your computer hard for your own stuff: you don’t want Java apps like Azureus (or NeoOffice etc.) hogging your RAM and CPU. Try shutting them down and see if you can feel the difference. It’s not just low enders whining about Azureus killing their machines, it’s also an objective entirely reasonable disagreement with Azureus’ philsophy as a cross platform Java app. There are definitely advantages to being a native program. Why else do we run things which aren’t Java?

Religious wars. Argh!

In open source Transmission I’m currently testing an autospeed implementation which isn’t part of the official project. Works very nicely. Open source never had to always mean Java.

http://bittyrant.cs.washington.edu

Not going to start a religious war. Don’t care what you run. Just letting you know.[/quote]
Eh, i run bitcomet. The only problem i have is that it doesent report my downloading/seeding since i upgraded from 0.5 to the latest version. My ration has remained the same on demonoid for quite some time.

I thought it was a problem with my ISP (currently eastlink) however, i have tried multiple ISP’s as i move alot. I have made a short (yet sweet) article at http://www.itsoverninethousand.com/bad-torrent-isps-in-canada/ explaining the problems with certain Canadian ISP’s (one of which i work for sadly)

My ISP offers something like 480kb/s up.Each of my NL boxes can do 100mb/s. The other peers on my own ISP will obviously have lower latency, but selecting them over the seedboxes would be a pretty bad move for speed.
I imagine the situation in some south american or eastern european countries would be pretty bad, with very little bandwidth available in those countries but masses of bandwidth available just a few hops away.

Connecting to more low ping/low bandwidth peers also requires more memory and CPU use in the client than connecting to a few high ping/high bandwidth peers.

Another consideration is what happens when hundreds of low ping peers are receiving from a high ping super seed, with every peer using this plugin. The plugin cannot see the superseed as a seed, but it can see the high ping and thus drops it in favour of peers with no pieces.
The torrent would then become so inefficient as to be considered broken.

Not going to start a religious war. Don’t care what you run. Just letting you know.

And many of you are correct in pointing out that latency is not always the most important factor. However, odds are that you will get better transfer rates from peers that are close to you rather than those across the world. Ono helps Azureus identify and connect to those nearby peers.

And yes, ISPs should like this. In fact, I hope to prove it’s in their best interest to give you higher transfer rates if generate “ISP-friendly” traffic with Ono.

a) java is just-in-time compiled
b) yes… java takes about 20-30 Memory baseline. But calling an fully featured app that consumes 80MB or so (Azureus) bloated is just biased… just compare with firefox or whatever
c) java is highly stable for me any many other users out there. If you experience something different that’s probably a local issue that can be solved
d) slow? heheh, that’s a funny one… in certain situations java can perform even faster than C because it’s way of just in time compilation allows it to perform optimizations at runtime which aren’t possible in statically compiled code

anyway, to the topic:
This plugin might have some merits, but it won’t miraculously improve your speeds. Since decreased latency doesn’t mean you get more throughput.

Not to mention, Azureus is a much better program than uTorrent if you have the resources.

http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/java-is-slow-revisited/
http://devnulled.com/content/2007/02/correcting-logical-fallacies-why-java-is-not-slow/

Finding Azureus’ feature-set too rich for one’s taste is one thing. Dismissing a program merely because it is written in Java is nonsensical.

As for Ono, the only ‘problem’ I found with it was the slight increase in CPU usage from the constant usage of ping and tracert. Not having any real problem with download speeds though I cant say wether it improves them or not, so the plugin may not be for everyone. Especialy if you dont really need it.