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Surprised By File-Sharing Snitches? You Shouldn’t Be

It was revealed Friday that the Oron cyberlocker service agreed last month to hand over the full details of users alleged to have breached an adult studio’s copyright. Many observers pledged never to use the service again, branding Oron ‘snitches’ and the lowest of the low. But snitching in the anti-piracy world is nothing new, it’s just that we tend not to hear about it. Just how the snitches like it.

We’ve all the seen the scenes in movies. The gallant hero tied to a chair, overlooked by a cruel interrogator flanked by two armed and burly minders. The blinding spotlight tears into his eyes, the cold steel of his binding chains weighs him down as much as the responsibility ahead.

But when his captor lays it on the line, explaining in graphic detail what will follow should his non-compliance continue, his response is valiant. He spits in his tormentor’s face and laughs out loud, accepting his fate and resigning himself to history.

Well, that’s for the movies and in the cold light of day, on lesser matters than saving an entire nation or the life of a loved one, human responses are rarely so honorable.

On Friday it was revealed that file-hosting service Oron had agreed in principle to settle a lawsuit with adult studio Liberty Media. Part of that deal was to not only hand over alleged copyright infringers, but also help with their prosecution.

There was almost universal shock and outrage at this news, but why anyone should be surprised at Oron’s actions is well, a bit of a surprise really. Snitching on pirates has been going on for as long as someone has been interested in punishing them. So what motivates people to turn informant?

In Oron’s case the motivation appears to be straightforward self-preservation. With a potentially ruinous lawsuit hanging over their head, this file-locker has chosen to feed a small number of customers to the hungry copyright lions at Liberty Media. But if you think Oron are alone, think again.

In March we reported that the UFC had taken down Greenfeedz, a site offering illicit streams of UFC events. But as part of the arrangement it now transpires that Greenfeedz handed over the personal details over people who merely viewed UFC events via the site. Fifteen of those are now being hunted down in Zuffa, LLC v. DOES 1-15

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Skin-saving is a common theme with file-sharing informants. Although he was only hired as a coder for streaming links site SurfTheChannel, in 2011 Boston resident Brendan DeBeasi soon found himself facing a charge of conspiracy to commit copyright infringement and with it a five year prison sentence and $250,000 fine.

In the end he never served a day, instead preferring to work out a deal with the authorities to testify against the operators of SurfTheChannel.

But for every case like this we hear about, there a potentially dozens more. Remember EliteTorrents, the first BitTorrent site to be raided in the United States and its admins and uploaders jailed? FBI documents handed to TorrentFreak by a reader researching the case appear to show that someone very close to the site was working with the MPAA as early as February 15th, weeks before the FBI received the official complaint on March 1st and months before the actual raid.

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Who the person was and why they did what they did remains a mystery, but it’s quite possible they were under pressure to save their own skin. But there are other motivations for turning informant too.

The UK’s Federation Against Software Theft runs a so-called “grass hotline” where people can inform on their companies for using under licensed software. FAST rely on two human traits to gather information on targets – greed (informants can get paid) and the lust for revenge. Reportedly, FAST snitches are often ex-employees with a grudge.

And grudges are dangerous things, particularly in the world of private BitTorrent trackers. On two occasions last month TorrentFreak was approached by clearly angry individuals who asked us to report on alleged wrong doing at a pair of trackers, one very small, one very large. The motivation obviously wasn’t money or to save the person’s skin, it was born out of conflict and desire to do damage.

But whether it’s to make money, save money, avoid lawsuits, avoid prison or execute revenge, people are prepared to inform on file-sharers. So don’t be too surprised when you hear about it again – and again.

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  • Derp

    Glad i never used Oron good ol real-debrid.

  • Guest

    Interesting, non the EU based cases would work due to the massive breach of data protection. The US needs to get the equivelent laws in place soon!

    • Anonymous

      There’s no money for that in the crap old USA, their motto is “In money we trust!”

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  • Alien

    lol stupid humans no understand world eh eh eh

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    As a defence to Zuffa, LLC v. DOES1-15, it should be a reasonable expection of the user that anything downloaded or viewed online is legal. That is afterall what DMCA notices are for, to ensure we only obtain legal material.

    It comes down to the diffcult task of the prosecution proving the user accessed knowing it was illicit rather than viewing in good faith.

    It is different with P2P as the downloader is also sharing th partially downloaded file.

    • Rekrul

       Not to mention that the cost of suing each person will be greater than whatever potential “harm” they try to argue in court. With distribution, they can claim that they can’t know how many copies were made. With viewing, they know exactly how many copies were made: One.

  • http://cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe

    This is true.
    It’s hard to be angry at people who are facing the prospect of having their lives ruined –  their bank accounts raided, their reputations dragged through the mud, even their freedom taken away.  Who knows how it could affect them, especially people with families and children or careers that could be in jeopardy.

    So instead of being (too) mad at those who try to save themselves, we should turn our attention instead to celebrating those who have resisted again and again and again.  

    Like The Pirate Bay!  

    And I’m hoping TUEBL will be up there too one day. (Not because I want them to be attacked! Only because I hope they will resist.)

    • thedude321

      Saving yourselves at the cost of other people’s lives is something few would excuse.

      • Guest

        Well, there is another way to look at it. The cyberlockers have provisions in their terms of service saying that they will report any copyright infringing activity, and the users use the service for copyright infringement anyway. It’s not unreasonable to think that they don’t exactly have an obligation to protect people who didn’t use their service in the intended way. The cyberlocker can argue that they didn’t want to be put in the situation of protecting people who misused their service.

        Likewise, you can see it through the lens of it being unfair of us to put the cyberlockers in a position where they must be martyrs for our cause. Where they must sacrifice their livelihoods to protect ours. I have to ask why we expect them to protect us instead of us protecting them.

        I don’t necessarily agree with what they do, but I can’t really blame them for the situation. We want cyberlockers to be devoted to enabling and protecting piracy, but that’s not necessarily what they are trying to do. If their goal for their service is different than what we wanted it to be, then it’s hard to be surprised when they are threatened.

        As Aelius said, we shouldn’t demonize or rely on those who don’t want to be part of the pirate movement. We should instead celebrate those who do want to be part of it, and be more discriminating about which services we use for piracy.

        • thedude321

          You must remember these are people who have been convicted of infringement, nothing has been proven. Furthermore, they will only give the details if the allegations are proven, here they are not. They are simply giving away the identities out of pure free will, and this is something that cannot be pardoned. If this was COMPLETELY legal, then that would be a separate issue. But this is not completely legal. The industry wanted names, and Oron gave it to them.

          But it also serves all those porn watchers on oron right…just my opinion though! :P

        • Guest

           I’m not sure why you’re saying it’s not completely legal. It is. Oron (to my understanding) had it in it’s TOS that they could turn over the data to whoever they wanted, and the users had to agree to make the accounts. It’s legal for them to turn over the data even on suspicion of infringement. You may not find that moral, but it’s legal.

          It’s also important to note that a court decision shouldn’t be necessary for Oron’s actions, because it is not a criminal activity that is allegedly occurring. Infringement is a civil offense, and it’s perfectly within Oron’s rights to take whatever action they wish in efforts to prevent it. If they want to avoid legal disputes with the copyright industry, it’s completely within their rights to do so.

          To put it simply, they don’t have an obligation to keep our data private. You want them to have that obligation, but as it stands, they don’t.

    • Old School

      Are you kidding me????? Its OK to turn punk when the stuff hits the fan??? I’m damn happy you’re not in my life.

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  • Master

    Just humans out of touch with reality.

  • zuzz

    Kim Dotcom alias Kim Schmitz of Megaupload was one of the biggest snitches in the german BBS scene back then. He sold numerous people the copyright holders, only for his own financial benefit.

    See the Book “Hackertales” (German language) for some info. Free Download at http://www.no-copy.org/hackertales-download.html (Creative Commons).

    I totally back Megaupload in its legal battle against the unjustice of the USA but the Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom is just a piece of trash in my eyes.

    F*%K YOU KIM DOTCOM, YOU DAMN SNITCH. THE SCENE NEVER FORGETS!

    • Guest

      Interesting. I wasn’t aware of this. Do you know of any sources of this information that are in English or Spanish? I’d like to research it, but I can’t find it easily on Google, and I can’t read German.

      Also, I hate to do this, but… “injustice”, not “unjustice”. Sorry. Can’t help myself.

    • Mwhahaha

      Sounds likely, he’s a greedy self interested SOB who’s exactly like the MPAA, just after making himself money with no regard to ethics.

      • Guest

        Yeah, he’s exactly like the MPAA!

        Except for how he doesn’t bribe politicians, or turn law enforcement into his own personal thugs, or try to turn the internet into a surveillance state, or try to ruin peoples’ lives for downloading an MP3, or try to repress technological progress, or lie that piracy is destroying the creative industry, or…

        • Guest

          Sorry, make that “try to ruin peoples’ lives for downloading an MP4″.

      • Guest

        If you had to choose one to do deal with then which one would you choose?

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  • Jeb

    This does not surprise me at all. They are involved in (what the powers that be call) a criminal activity. If you think for one second that under the threat of ruin these people won’t hand everything over, you are fooling yourselves. No one thinks it will happen to them. When they get cought, of course they are going to do whatever they can to save themselves. You people are just text. There is no loyalty to that.

  • Phil Landry

    Divide and conquer

  • Erick Bachay

    Never heard about this file-sharing before lol

  • Mwhahaha

    So on one hand we have MU who have potentially lost legal users data because of the blind eye they turned to piracy, and people are angry over that.

    On the other hand we have a cyber locker who doesn’t want to get involved with hosting pirated material, and so cooperates with the authorities to keep its service legal and people are angry over that.

    That’s despite the locker being with in its rights to do so and to not have their business closed down and their staff and owners potentially sent to jail.

    Cyber lockers can’t exist now without cooperation with anti piracy authorities and adequate anti piracy filtering. The idea that they can be used to share pirated material is now out of date.

    Don’t expect people to fight for things at the cost of their livelihoods. It doesn’t make them evil, it makes them just people who want a quiet life. 

    • Fredrika

      > “So on one hand we have MU who have potentially lost legal users data because of the blind eye they turned to piracy..”

      Please stop spreading lies and false propaganda, ok? You have been caught many times doing that, yet you continue. MU did exactly what the law said they should do. That was not turning a blind eye to piracy.

      > “..and people are angry over that.”

      People are angry over the obvious wrongdoings of the authorities. Wrongdoings of the authorities should make all people mad, regardless what the subject is.

      > “On the other hand we have a cyber locker who doesn’t want to get involved with hosting pirated material, and so cooperates with the authorities to keep its service legal and people are angry over that.

      > That’s despite the locker being with in its rights to do so and to not
      have their business closed down and their staff and owners potentially
      sent to jail.”

      No, that’s not what happened. People are mad because certain parties breached users privacy, which they might very well not have been within their right to do. A company breaching users privacy because of a third party without a court ordering them to do so is something that everyone should be mad over, regardless of what the topic is. In Europe it is illegal.

      > “Cyber lockers can’t exist now without cooperation with anti piracy authorities and adequate anti piracy filtering.”

      They most certainly can, at least in all countries except the US, where no right minded business man with any amount of self-preservation would operate his on-line business in/from.

      Secondly, the courts have already decided that their current operations responding to takedown notices is an adequate response. There’s no need for filtering. If some weak minded civil courts have a problem accepting this there’s always the possibility of changing the laws and making them even clearer so that cyber lockers can’t be harassed any more by pro-monopoly trolls, that don’t give a damn about society, the economy, copyright or the judicial system.

      > “The idea that they can be used to share pirated material is now out of date.”

      In reality it works very well. maybe you don’t live there?

      > “Don’t expect people to fight for things at the cost of their livelihoods.”

      Through out history there has always been heroes that has fought for things outside of their livelihood.

    • djnforce9

      Only thing I object to is Oron doing an about face and handing over private data to those lawsuit happy vultures. That is well beyond what they are required to do by law and I wouldn’t be surprised if this action was illegal itself (only time will tell). They are sacrificing their customers to cover their own tails. That’s about as selfish as you can get and fortunately I have never done business with them (and never will).

      On a separate thought, I guess “Reasoned Mind” is back yet again under a different name (first Anon and now this). I recognize the posting style (i.e. exaggerated pro-industry and anti-piracy propaganda often containing a lot of misinformation to boot).

      • GUEST

         Would you rather pay $1M to Corbin Fischer or $50,000?

        You tell me. Fortunately for Oron not everyone reads Torrentfreak, so have fun informing the idiots out there trying to make a “living” with Oron. They deserve every letter they’re served.

        • Guest

          I guess you are referring to the porn industry as the idiots out there trying to make a living with Ordon. and Yes the porn industry deserves every letter they’re served.

        • GUEST

           @Guest: No I actually meant the people who uploaded for money. There are no way in H*ll that anyone would use their diabolic service (limited premium download…Who even had that in the peak days of Cyberlockers?) that is based around a $125 bought script, without being paid to upload crap to them.

    • Guest

      “So on one hand we have MU who have potentially lost legal users data because of the blind eye they turned to piracy”

      MegaUpload didn’t turn a blind eye to piracy, troll. They complied with the DMCA and operated well within safe harbour laws. The criminals in Washington and Hollywood didn’t care, however, and had it illegally raided.

      “On the other hand we have a cyber locker who doesn’t want to get involved with hosting pirated material, and so cooperates with the authorities to keep its service legal”

      You just described MegaUpload.

      As for Oron, they aren’t cooperating with the authorities to keep their service legal. They’re simply selling their users out to Bullshit Media so the lawsuit will go away. They aren’t fighting, MegaUpload is. And you wonder why people are mad at Oron? 

      lol

      “The idea that they can be used to share pirated material is now out of date.”

      The idea that cyber lockers are to blame when their users upload illegal content is absurd from a legal, logical, and moral standpoint. Good luck  making the industry’s attacks against them stick.

      “Don’t expect people to fight for things at the cost of their livelihoods.”

      I don’t expect people to fight for what’s right at the risk of their livelihoods, but I do condemn them for failing to do so. Oron can go fuck itself. 

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        “MegaUpload didn’t turn a blind eye to piracy, troll. They complied with the DMCA and operated well within safe harbour laws. ”

        No, they just claimed they complied with the DMCA, but they didn’t.

        • Guest

          Megaupload did comply with DMCA notices and they even talked with and gave certain studios access to there system so that they can do take down themselves. Megaupload complied and that is not turning a blind eye to piracy.

        • Anyone

          they didn’t have to comply with the DMCA but they still did
          but of course “too much” is never enough for the MAFIAA, they always want more, more, more, no matter how unreasonable their demands

        • Timmy

          @f05af58b8c10e93b3595bb996aad4e5d:disqus “they didn’t have to comply with the DMCA but they still did”, I think you’re mistaking offshore hosting with linking.

          It’s still illegal in most countries to host copyrighted files – so yes, DMCA has to be followed. I think you were mistaking linking that isn’t illegal in all countries – However, countries have international agreement treaties so things can get a little more complicated then…

        • Anyone

          DMCA is an US law
          if you are outside the US takedown notices are worthless and can be ignored

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Actually, Timmy, you are wrong on that. Many countries have made it a CIVIL OFFENSE (i.e. not criminally illegal) to host copyrighted files.

          Many of them have said bluntly that only in cases of ‘paid infringement’ will they get involved.

          Once again, go back to start, you just hit the chute.

        • Guest

          Proof that MU didn’t comply with the DMCA?

          Accusations from the criminals who took it down don’t count, for obvious reasons. 

    • Guest

      Megaupload did not turn a blind eye to piracy as they dealt with the DMCA notices that they were given and they even went as far as allowing certain studios access to its system so that they can deal with the take downs themself. That in itself for those actions does not show that Megaupload turned a blind eye to piracy.

  • John Space

    I guess the best that can be done (so far) about snithcers is knowing who they are, so that people can stay away from them in the future.

  • Peter

    would vnp help with things like this. is privateinternetaccess any good

  • Anonymous

    these sites seem to be run by those who want people to do whatever so that money is made, but when shit hits fan, turn on the very people that were relied on and encouraged in aiding them. i appreciate they could have a hell of a lot to lose, but it’s no good wanting only the good bits and not be prepared for the crap. the only thing to be done is, hopefully, when this situation arises, the names of the admins responsible are published. that way no one with any sense would use a site run by them again. also, instead of being so damn greedy, if the copyright owners were to offer their stuff sensibly in the first place, there wouldn’t be a problem. as it is, control and greed kick in and everybody loses out somehow or other

    • GUEST

       No it has always been a trade-off. Users get paid for aiding the site with files and making it popular. When they don’t get paid, they bitch. I hope those who uploaded crap on Oron gets full punishment …No sane person would use Oron for the single purpose of “helping” out the “sharing is caring” community.

      If it was a service like Megaupload, in which people uploaded material for fast sharing, then yes, I would disagree with this handling of information.
      Oron serves a complete different purpose and I hope all those who made money with them are kicked to the curb and prosecuted to the full extent.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2FW7NVLDL57ANGCLKPRP253XM Nutman

    People are morons.  Every company on the face of this planet will hand over your details to save their business or themselves or when forced too.  That’s why I can’t help but lol when people talk about how secure they are with a vpn.  Those companies will hand over your details just as quick as everyone else.

    • tao54nyc

      Especially HMA!

  • GUEST

    Snitches get stitches…Just not over the Internet as per usual you’re thousands of miles apart.

    The people getting reported are the ones that made the most money from Oron. I’d guess the Vietnamese bastards rank high; Liberty Media just can’t get their hands on VietCong-Suey over there.

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  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    I don’t want to use a cyberlocker that don’t obey the laws. I want my data to be available as long as I’m a paying customer.

    MegaUpLoad didn’t obey the laws and the users lost their data. The blame is on MegaUpLoad and they may on the other hand sue the users not obeying the user agreement. But lawful users should have known what to expect so if you’re picky about your data, use a cyberlocker that fully obey the laws.

    • Guest

      Megaupload did obey the laws. Megaupload does not hold its office in America and therefore they do not come American jurisdiction. So why so it comply to America law when the office is not in America or come under American jurisdiction. Also, Megaupload complied with DCMA;s and they gave certain studios access to its system so that they could do the take downs themselves. What part of breaking laws when they don’t come under Americam jurisdiction to come under American Law and that they complied with DMCA;s do people not understand.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Agreed, Guest. Nejtillpirater is a corporate shill and another one that goes on my ‘ignore’ list.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Nejtillpirater is a swedish copyright fanatic well known from his attempts at wordwalling apart any pro-pirate issue he comes across.

          Once he shows up, expect him to be suddenly backed up by a dozen “new arrivals” all posting from one and the same ip adress.

          I very much doubt he’s corporate – judging from the factual contents of his rhetoric it’s highly unlikely he could hold down very many jobs. the private sector, after all, has standards.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery:disqus 

          “Once he shows up, expect him to be suddenly backed up by a dozen “new arrivals” all posting from one and the same ip address.”

          Thats a lie and the webmaster can prove that you’re wrong. I think that you should focus on the debate instead of spreading lies about other people. Apparently you have failed to produce any substantial  arguments so you revert to Ad hominem together with Fredrika. Pathetic.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
    • Guest

      MU did obey the law. The government, the copyright industry, and New Zealand authorities, however, broke the law like motherfuckers and had MU raided.

      Do you want legitimate businesses to be taken down because special interests lobby Washington to have them taken down? Oh, you don’t?

      Then maybe you should re-evaluating your stance against Mega.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Actually that’s NTP’s standard modus operandi. He’s all for claiming that “legal” services should exist. However, the hurdles one has to pass for becoming “legal” in his eyes is well documented.

        In practice, it’s impossible.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          Yeah, truly impossible. Congrats to Spotify, Voddler, Apple etc. that does the “impossible”.

        • Fredrika

          > “Yeah, truly impossible. Congrats to Spotify, Voddler, Apple etc. that does the “impossible”.”

          The discussion was about cyberlockers, so the services you mentioned are completely irrelevant. As usual you seem to have a hard time remembering what topic you yourself discussed in the very first post of the argumentative thread.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Megaupload did obey the law. In fact they followed it to the letter.

      Which is also why the actual search and seizure of megaupload didn’t mention defaulting on DMCA compliance anywhere.

      As usual facts don’t reconcile well with whatever goes on into your brain.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        Yes it did according to the court order. Their claimed DMCA compliance was only a facade.

        • Fredrika

          > “Yes it did according to the court order.”

          Please stop lying, Or please quote from the actual search and seizure where it mentions defaulting on DMCA compliance.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @flphpp:disqus 

          I’m not lying. What about you being more meticulous about the facts?

          http://firstsearchblue.com/megaupload-down-fbi/

          And the court order. Why not search for DMCA, full of suprises?

          http://www.scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment

          Examples:

          “The Mega Conspiracy’sAbuse Tool did not actually function as a DMCA compliance tool as the copyright owners wereled to believe”

          “The complaint indicated that the DMCA Abuse Tool for Megaupload.com does not remove particular types of links. It also noted that a particular linking site is a repeat infringer“ where users and admin team are all involved in upload and reupload as soon as the files are removed.””

        • Fredrika

          > “I’m not lying. What about you being more meticulous about the facts?”

          No, the topic was what was written in the search and seizure by the New Zealand authorities, and whether or not MU defaulted DMCA notices, and violated relevant legislation. Are you having a hard time remembering what the discussion is about??? What was it you said about being meticulous about the facts?

          The references you provided has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that, and nothing of what the US justice department claims in an indictment changes that fact, not are any of the claims by the US justice department facts, just because they print them on paper. Your initial claim was and is still a lie.

          Scary’s claim however is still factual exactly as it is written, although as usual the problem is probably that you can’t read properly, or understand what you’ve just read, so you instead respond to something completely different than what’s actually written, as in resorting to a straw-man argument.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          You’re wrong again Fredrika. Is that why you flagged my response so it got removed?

          I linked to a document signed by the U.S. department of Justice, proving I’m right and you’re wrong, as always.

          http://www.scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment

        • Fredrika

          > “You’re wrong again Fredrika.”

          Regarding what?

          > “Is that why you flagged my response and so it got removed?

          Is this some form of paranoia, believing i flag your comments?

          > “I linked to a document signed by the U.S. department of Justice, proving I’m right and you’re wrong, as always.”

          You linked to an irrelevant document containing claims, which proved nothing relevant to anything that has been discussed here, which was a New Zealand —> search and seizure <— and defaulting DMCA notices.

          No one here has argued that the US justice department hasn’t made certain claims, so there’s no point whatsoever for you to provide documents regarding what that they claimed. It’s just another meaningless straw-man.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        See my answer to Fredrika below. Check the facts the next time.

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  • Westernjim

    Your proindustry fascism is well known on the file sharing blogs. Who obeys the law? Even Rapidshare has been accused of being illegal, even though it has won every single court case.

  • Westernjim

    “Infringement is a civil offense, and it’s perfectly within Oron’s rights to take whatever action they wish in efforts to prevent it. If they want to avoid
    legal disputes with the copyright industry, it’s completely within their rights to do so.

    To put it simply, they don’t have an obligation to keep our data private. You want them to have that obligation, but as it stands, they don’t.”
    Maybe in the US, but the legal situation in Europe with regard to privacy is different. Some privacy laws on EU level can’t be abrogated by contract. And what does a log file prove ? Nothing particular, it’s just a screen dump and if I was ever accused on such a flimsy basis, I would claim the evidence was unreliable because the server software installation had not been audited.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Actually, by international law and standards, they actually might have an obligation to keep our data private. The EU has been trying to get all countries on board with their standards on data protection for quite awhile now.

  • Westernjim

    “No, they just claimed they complied with the DMCA, but they didn’t.”

    Prove it  shill, you can’t and you know it. How is the ACTA process going? How many of your copyright fascist pigs are going to be re-elected?

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      • Fredrika

        Westernjm asked you to prove it, not provide links to news articles, referencing hearsay and unsubstantiated and unproven claims from US authorities.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          So WRONG again. Still haven’t read the document?

          Will you flag my answer this time as well, censuring the truth?

  • limposimpo

    Nothing ticks me off more than a snitch. I really dislike snitches & RATS
    Privacy-Top.tk 

  • Ribbed for her pleasure.

    Oron rat fucks !!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidson.bo Bo Davidson

    People have a price. Even mobsters are selling out their family these days. Nobody has any loyalty anymore and it makes me sick. I’d kill and die for my family.

    • GUEST

       Remember the people who uploaded to Oron didn’t consider them family, nor did Oron consider them family…You see where I’m getting with this? The people who uploaded are ready to pull their files, and Oron is ready to rat them out. It’s a game of who’s going to f*ck who. There’s no loyalty among the users of Oron or Oron itself.

  • Lawyers FTW

    If they hand out personal info on uploaders, in civil suit, what will C Fisher do? Chase some college students in Vietnam, China, Pakistan, India, Russia + Ex Russian Federation (99% of uploaders) with no property (live with parents), have no wealth on their name? 
    They would probably had to hire some lawyers from that country, only to fail in their suit and lose tone of money in process… 
    C Fisher can’t win. Their lawyers,
     on the other side, CAN. They will get sh*t load of money from L Media and tell them at end, “well sir, nothing we could do about it, India refused to play ball, sry. Here is our bill. Pay or we sue you!” :DCause GB, USA, Canada guys don’t upload, they download stuff…

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Actually, there are plenty of people in those latter three companies that upload…. they are just smart enough to do it through TOR or VPN so it’s near impossible to prove who uploaded what if the latter doesn’t keep any records. With the former it’s just impossible.

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  • Cujo

    this is a good point  ,,  run ur box with as much privacy as possible  ,,  you can’t trust anyone ,, except TF “I HOPE”  lol  

  • Fake

    Anything you pay for can and will be used as evidence against you.

    So don’t pay for anything.

  • PelouzeTF

    Can this even be considered news ?

    That a piracy haven that knowingly profits from copyright infringement, would turn rat on the very users that it pays incentives to infringe on real creators copyrights.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Knowingly? Hardly. The bottom line blunt fact is that filelockers do not have the time nor energy nor manpower to monitor every single thing being uploaded to their websites.

      That’s a ‘period and done with’ there.

      Now, getting rid of the “You upload and we pay you!” plans was a good thing, because of the above those were way too easy to punk and could get filelockers into trouble.

      • Guest

        “Knowingly? Hardly. The bottom line blunt fact is that filelockers do not have the time nor energy nor manpower to monitor every single thing being uploaded to their websites.”

        And that’s why filelockers have a ‘Report’ button to notify them of illegal content. But the MAFIAA would rather sue filelockers than click the ‘Report’ button, because they’re lazy fucks who don’t want to lift a finger themselves and would rather let their lawyers fight their battles for them in court than do any real work.

  • Clyde

    I can certainly The MPAA, the RIAA and Chris Dodd with used bullets for free.

    I am not greedy. 

  • amydon

    nice article

  • markie

    15000 Mb over 3 days this is for permium members. What a joke. Why would you bother.

  • Andrew me

    To be honest i do not blame the sites for giving up there users, we all know what we are doing could get us into trouble , we just do not agree that it should, the problem is that the copyright czars have a problem , they cannot go after all file sharers as there are too many of us, they will go after easy targets even if it means taking illegal actions as in the mega case. If anything there is safety in numbers

  • Oroncrappy

    gay liberty studio extortionist should consider small earner people and let them go because as far as i know oron cheats uploader at all  . . poor people in other country can’t afford to pay damages lawsuit otherwise uploader who earn 1k usd a month has own blog maybe they can afford to pay. .  

  • Tsunku

    if warez ppl would just follow street code concerning narcs, the only good narc is one that can never be found ever.  that helps to keep ppl’s mouths shut. and if they still open them, then destroy their world. everything they love and live for destroyed completely.

  • Trekfanwarp1980

    there  is  old  American  say  about  snitches  .snitches get stitches. anyone  snitches  on    about  anything   i will  kill them.  check  link  about   people  like  that  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin%27

    • GG

       Its not an American saying, its an Italian Mafia saying that others have co-opted. It was in reference to Omerta, the code of silence.

  • Jackripper

    Oron are scumbags, I only pay for its service to download porn due to 1 adult forum using it (You know which it is). After about 6 months into the 1 year I paid they closed my account. I never shared on the account and yet they kill it. Emails to them received no response. Luckily I paid using prepaid card so no worries for me other then losing my money. I just checked their site, seems they no longer allow signups using paypal or even credit card that tells me 1 thing they are closing shop.

    • Guest

      if you had paid thru paypal though do you think they would come after you?  what if you had bought the service for legitimate means?  how could they tell the difference?
      seems they are mainly going after uploaders of specific content?  not just any uploaders?

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    0rz.tw/hHcIP

  • Bob

    Calling someone a “snitch” is absurd.  People who are doing something they shouldn’t holding another to a moral standard?  That is so stupid its funny.

    Its hilarious how so many entitletards think that access to filesharing sites is some sort of right and they go to great lengths to justify their copyright violations.  And that is what it is, a violation of copyright law.  Its not stealing and this is pretty clear – its duplication not robbing someone of a possession and leaving them without it.

    Download and share all you want, but don’t fool yourself into thinking it is somehow “moral”  There is on such thing.

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      Good point! 

      Thieves or pirates that are honest about what they´re doing at least have some honesty and moral. Those who blame the police, authorities or even snitches don’t.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/banni.chatrji Banni Chatrji

    Desi social networking site to take on existing ones.
    Worldfloat.Com allows a user to interact with whomever he chooses to interact.

    http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/desi-social-networking-site-to-takeexisting-ones/179186/on

  • Fonzz

    Never did like the way the Moron idiots took over forumophilia.
    I hope the old papillion, JB wannabe and others get what coming to their sorry asses.
    I posted a youtube video showing free users how to delete cookies and change their ip’s to initiate another free download without waiting.
    I got banned from the site for it.
    So Phuck You a-holes!
    Fonzz

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