Comments on: Behind The Scenes of the Swiss DMCA Fight http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:18:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Mike http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-255771 Mike Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:23:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-255771 [quote comment="248815"]About Tonnerre Lombard's opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an "open" (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven't heard about it until late November. That's a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can't blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.[/quote] [quote comment="248815"]About Tonnerre Lombard's opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an "open" (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven't heard about it until late November. That's a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can't blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.[/quote] That's my opinion too! It's a never ending battle. If my comment shows up twice, it's my fault and not intentional http://gamecopyproreview.com [quote comment="248815"]About Tonnerre Lombard’s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an “open” (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven’t heard about it until late November. That’s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can’t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.[/quote]
[quote comment="248815"]About Tonnerre Lombard’s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an “open” (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven’t heard about it until late November. That’s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can’t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.[/quote]

That’s my opinion too! It’s a never ending battle.

If my comment shows up twice, it’s my fault and not intentional
http://gamecopyproreview.com

]]> By: Olivier http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-248815 Olivier Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:52:58 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-248815 About Tonnerre Lombard's opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an "open" (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven't heard about it until late November. That's a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can't blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed. About Tonnerre Lombard’s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an “open” (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven’t heard about it until late November. That’s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can’t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.

]]> By: Janet777 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-240122 Janet777 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:33:24 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-240122 P2P= Freedom Sharing = Happiness RIAA=DEAD MPAA=DEAD They don't own us. Everything should be free like oxygen, air, water, sun light,natural resources... To own something and make everyone drool for it is to enslave all The rich wants to own us using money, banking that benefits them. Don't let them. Resist them and do whatever it takes to not let them manipulate us with bs news... and propaganda are full of bias opinions or lies. P2P= Freedom
Sharing = Happiness
RIAA=DEAD
MPAA=DEAD
They don’t own us.
Everything should be free like oxygen, air, water, sun light,natural resources…
To own something and make everyone drool for it is to enslave all
The rich wants to own us using money, banking that benefits them.
Don’t let them. Resist them and do whatever it takes to not let them manipulate us with bs news… and propaganda are full of bias opinions or lies.

]]> By: Rob http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238794 Rob Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:51:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238794 Can you cover more on the Canadian DMCA thay they are trying to introduce in Canada? Our facebook group Fair Copyright for Canada grew to 21 thousand in just over a week Can you cover more on the Canadian DMCA thay they are trying to introduce in Canada? Our facebook group Fair Copyright for Canada grew to 21 thousand in just over a week

]]> By: Sir Null http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238406 Sir Null Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:12:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238406 @Alan UK Good old analoge hole... Too bad that they are trying to plug even that with things like HDMI. Sure, it's ultimately useless but that won't stop them from trying. @Alan UK

Good old analoge hole…
Too bad that they are trying to plug even that with things like HDMI. Sure, it’s ultimately useless but that won’t stop them from trying.

]]> By: Alan UK http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238307 Alan UK Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:20:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238307 They can add as much DRM as they like. Just pop the cd in a drive and record via analogue just like in the old days of cassette tape. It only needs one person to purchase a cd and do the initial recording. It just requires a bit more effort. They can add as much DRM as they like.
Just pop the cd in a drive and record via analogue just like in the old days of cassette tape. It only needs one person to purchase a cd and do the initial recording.
It just requires a bit more effort.

]]> By: Belligerent Engine http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238092 Belligerent Engine Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:23:38 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238092 [quote comment="237828"]Polymorphic viruses are a completely different thing, they mutate on their own (just as in nature). That you can always reverse engineer your way around this technique is obvious, but with constantly changing VMs you'd be hard-pressed to keep up.[/quote] Oh come on. It's always taken more time to come up with a new DRM system than it has taken to crack it, barring things like DVDs initially being so chock-full of material to not be worthy of warezing. And constantly changing VMs? Something needs to remain constant, because in order to have "constant change" you need it to be systematic at some level. Boom! That's where the hacker comes in. It's exactly the same thing as polymorphic viruses! Like I said, it's easy to come up with a security system that you yourself can't figure out how to crack. [quote comment="237828"]Polymorphic viruses are a completely different thing, they mutate on their own (just as in nature).

That you can always reverse engineer your way around this technique is obvious, but with constantly changing VMs you’d be hard-pressed to keep up.[/quote]

Oh come on. It’s always taken more time to come up with a new DRM system than it has taken to crack it, barring things like DVDs initially being so chock-full of material to not be worthy of warezing.

And constantly changing VMs? Something needs to remain constant, because in order to have “constant change” you need it to be systematic at some level. Boom! That’s where the hacker comes in. It’s exactly the same thing as polymorphic viruses!

Like I said, it’s easy to come up with a security system that you yourself can’t figure out how to crack.

]]> By: Anthony to the S. http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237940 Anthony to the S. Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:24:23 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237940 big up torrentfreak! http://paidandpopular.blogspot.com big up torrentfreak!

http://paidandpopular.blogspot.com

]]> By: fr3ak http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237922 fr3ak Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:42:04 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237922 As respectful as I am of Florian's opinion here, I also share the frustration felt by Tonnerre in trying to get Florian to join forces rather than attempt to create a (in my opinion futile) media storm over something that it is clear he fails to fully understand. "By people who worked on that law openly hostile" I can only assume he is referring to Tonnerre and that statement (amongst others) is a clear indication of Florian's miscomprehension of reality. Tonnerre was at all stages, including his "final word", trying to impress upon Florian the valuable nature of joining forces, his "hostility" is the manifestation of butting his head against a brick wall. If Florian et al had already been involved in the political process rather than jumping on the figurative bandwagon (or rather creating their own) he could have been involved in the lobbying process from the start. Not that I am trying to deny his right to express his opinion, late as it is, but if he can't grasp the simplicity of being involved in the political process by just reading/watching the news (and it is clear that there was media coverage of the laws proposal) then why should he be entrusted with the greater responsibility of figureheading a referendum. Tonnerre valiantly tried to make this point to him but apparently it sailed over Florian's head. Still, made for an interesting if ultimately frustrating read. Keep up the good work TorrentFreak! As respectful as I am of Florian’s opinion here, I also share the frustration felt by Tonnerre in trying to get Florian to join forces rather than attempt to create a (in my opinion futile) media storm over something that it is clear he fails to fully understand.

“By people who worked on that law openly hostile” I can only assume he is referring to Tonnerre and that statement (amongst others) is a clear indication of Florian’s miscomprehension of reality. Tonnerre was at all stages, including his “final word”, trying to impress upon Florian the valuable nature of joining forces, his “hostility” is the manifestation of butting his head against a brick wall.

If Florian et al had already been involved in the political process rather than jumping on the figurative bandwagon (or rather creating their own) he could have been involved in the lobbying process from the start. Not that I am trying to deny his right to express his opinion, late as it is, but if he can’t grasp the simplicity of being involved in the political process by just reading/watching the news (and it is clear that there was media coverage of the laws proposal) then why should he be entrusted with the greater responsibility of figureheading a referendum. Tonnerre valiantly tried to make this point to him but apparently it sailed over Florian’s head.

Still, made for an interesting if ultimately frustrating read.

Keep up the good work TorrentFreak!

]]> By: h33t http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237910 h33t Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:15:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237910 ansa: actually very recently, within the last 12 months. it has not quite hit them yet, but it will, and when it lands they will not have the breath left to protest ansa: actually very recently, within the last 12 months.

it has not quite hit them yet, but it will, and when it lands they will not have the breath left to protest

]]> By: h33t http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237909 h33t Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:12:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237909 when did geekdom decide to address the problem the world was being raped by micro$hit and design a linux desktop gui (Gnome, KDE) that a mac bunny could use (and his wife and kids too)? when did openoffice.org offer a direct replacement for Office? when did YOU shift from playing games on your desktop to playing games on your Xbox360, Wii, and PS3? everything you could do on a PC you can now do 100% free on a linux desktop at reduced overhead and zero software cost. except gaming, on which we all spend 1,000's of dollars a year. actually my PS3 is an online computer in my living room that i can play games, surf, type letters, install any o/s i like ... now i want a bittorrent client for my mobile so i can connect to h33t.com and download mp3's avi's and thinstall and portable appz game over for DRM when did geekdom decide to address the problem the world was being raped by micro$hit and design a linux desktop gui (Gnome, KDE) that a mac bunny could use (and his wife and kids too)?

when did openoffice.org offer a direct replacement for Office?

when did YOU shift from playing games on your desktop to playing games on your Xbox360, Wii, and PS3?

everything you could do on a PC you can now do 100% free on a linux desktop at reduced overhead and zero software cost. except gaming, on which we all spend 1,000’s of dollars a year. actually my PS3 is an online computer in my living room that i can play games, surf, type letters, install any o/s i like …

now i want a bittorrent client for my mobile so i can connect to h33t.com and download mp3’s avi’s and thinstall and portable appz

game over for DRM

]]> By: Crimson http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237876 Crimson Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:35:12 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237876 [quote comment="237756"]@ h33t I think you misunderstand the general population, they know what they want and they don't care if there's DRM because they are automatically authorised when they click the buy button in iTunes. If all the digital media was protected by DRM the only thing that would happen would be an increase in sales. Open source and indie media have been around all through the evolution of DRM, and whatever successes they've enjoyed have been completely unrelated.[/quote] Yes, open source and indie media have been around all through the evolution of DRM. As has unlimited, unrestricted, DRM-free pirated material, which makes up the vast bulk of every person under 30's music collection. To take away all of the pirated material would not make all of these fans and music lovers switch from paying zero dollars for a years supply of music (x dozen albums) to several thousand dollars for a years supply of music; no sirree Bob! Six thousand (say) dollars of free cash does _not_ magically appear in your bank account the day the pirated music ends completely. Nor does my love of music die the day pirated music ends completely. I can _easily_ see a jump in indie music should DRM live and piracy die. [google "The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny", and tell me that's not catchy/better than rihanna's latest crap] [quote comment="237756"]@ h33t
I think you misunderstand the general population, they know what they want and they don’t care if there’s DRM because they are automatically authorised when they click the buy button in iTunes.

If all the digital media was protected by DRM the only thing that would happen would be an increase in sales. Open source and indie media have been around all through the evolution of DRM, and whatever successes they’ve enjoyed have been completely unrelated.[/quote]

Yes, open source and indie media have been around all through the evolution of DRM. As has unlimited, unrestricted, DRM-free pirated material, which makes up the vast bulk of every person under 30’s music collection.

To take away all of the pirated material would not make all of these fans and music lovers switch from paying zero dollars for a years supply of music (x dozen albums) to several thousand dollars for a years supply of music; no sirree Bob!
Six thousand (say) dollars of free cash does _not_ magically appear in your bank account the day the pirated music ends completely.
Nor does my love of music die the day pirated music ends completely.

I can _easily_ see a jump in indie music should DRM live and piracy die. [google "The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny", and tell me that's not catchy/better than rihanna's latest crap]

]]> By: Necromanson http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237863 Necromanson Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:56:43 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237863 Did Torrentfreak just discover the word "Whilst"? It seems like it shows up in every article lately. Did Torrentfreak just discover the word “Whilst”? It seems like it shows up in every article lately.

]]> By: Ben http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237828 Ben Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:35:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237828 [quote comment="237767"]Ha, polymorphic DRM. Not gonna happen. Remember when people were all "ooh argh eek polymorphic viruses are going to destroy computing" back in the nineties? Well guess what happened: it didn't![/quote] Polymorphic viruses are a completely different thing, they mutate on their own (just as in nature). That you can always reverse engineer your way around this technique is obvious, but with constantly changing VMs you'd be hard-pressed to keep up. [quote comment="237767"]Ha, polymorphic DRM. Not gonna happen. Remember when people were all “ooh argh eek polymorphic viruses are going to destroy computing” back in the nineties? Well guess what happened: it didn’t![/quote]

Polymorphic viruses are a completely different thing, they mutate on their own (just as in nature).

That you can always reverse engineer your way around this technique is obvious, but with constantly changing VMs you’d be hard-pressed to keep up.

]]> By: James. http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237802 James. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:58:15 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237802 @ 12 Dude! e_e @ 12

Dude! e_e

]]> By: murdoclu http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237782 murdoclu Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:32:07 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237782 hey people im asking somebody of you out there to get me an invite for a private tracker i do upload a lot on the public sites but i really would prefer private ones (i only have access to a german one if anyone wants an invite so id need an offer for one with international releases...) but havent met anyone yet that was willing to help me... i would appreciate your help :) murdoclu@gmail.com hey people
im asking somebody of you out there to get me an invite for a private tracker i do upload a lot on the public sites but i really would prefer private ones (i only have access to a german one if anyone wants an invite so id need an offer for one with international releases…) but havent met anyone yet that was willing to help me… i would appreciate your help :)
murdoclu@gmail.com

]]> By: Rycon http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237781 Rycon Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:31:25 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237781 They can DRM there asses for all I care, im still never gonna pay for that shit and im always gonna get high quality stuff that I can do what I want with it. Then im gonna go to the artists show, pay for the concert and buy a shirt and might even hand the artist a $5 or $10, and tell him I downloaded every one of his fucking songs, and im not paying your fuck face record company a fucking dime. WE have a way of freeing file sharing, convince the artists that they dont need the MPAA and the MPAA will be out of a job, support the arists you listen to, thats ALL that matters. They can DRM there asses for all I care, im still never gonna pay for that shit and im always gonna get high quality stuff that I can do what I want with it.

Then im gonna go to the artists show, pay for the concert and buy a shirt and might even hand the artist a $5 or $10, and tell him I downloaded every one of his fucking songs, and im not paying your fuck face record company a fucking dime.

WE have a way of freeing file sharing, convince the artists that they dont need the MPAA and the MPAA will be out of a job, support the arists you listen to, thats ALL that matters.

]]> By: g http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237771 g Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:17:52 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237771 [quote]Ha, polymorphic DRM. Not gonna happen. Remember when people were all "ooh argh eek polymorphic viruses are going to destroy computing" back in the nineties? Well guess what happened: it didn't![/quote] Hehehe, same technology as viruses ;P DRM is a virus. [quote]Ha, polymorphic DRM. Not gonna happen. Remember when people were all “ooh argh eek polymorphic viruses are going to destroy computing” back in the nineties? Well guess what happened: it didn’t![/quote]

Hehehe, same technology as viruses ;P

DRM is a virus.

]]> By: Belligerent Engine http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237767 Belligerent Engine Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:13:28 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237767 Ha, polymorphic DRM. Not gonna happen. Remember when people were all "ooh argh eek polymorphic viruses are going to destroy computing" back in the nineties? Well guess what happened: it didn't! Thing is, there'll always be some bit of code that stays constant. Or constant enough. Or you eventually do an execution trace and boom, there you have your stuff (be it the decrypted data, or VM opcode lists, or whatever). Some guy even figured out the inner opcodes of the Transmeta Crusoe CPUs from a firmware dump. It's just not all that hard. As always, it's quite possible for a person or a company to make an encryption or whatever that they themselves cannot break. However, this says nothing about how breakable that encryption (or other security system component) is in the absolute sense. Ha, polymorphic DRM. Not gonna happen. Remember when people were all “ooh argh eek polymorphic viruses are going to destroy computing” back in the nineties? Well guess what happened: it didn’t!

Thing is, there’ll always be some bit of code that stays constant. Or constant enough. Or you eventually do an execution trace and boom, there you have your stuff (be it the decrypted data, or VM opcode lists, or whatever).

Some guy even figured out the inner opcodes of the Transmeta Crusoe CPUs from a firmware dump. It’s just not all that hard.

As always, it’s quite possible for a person or a company to make an encryption or whatever that they themselves cannot break. However, this says nothing about how breakable that encryption (or other security system component) is in the absolute sense.

]]> By: Peter http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237756 Peter Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:53:31 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237756 @ h33t I think you misunderstand the general population, they know what they want and they don't care if there's DRM because they are automatically authorised when they click the buy button in iTunes. If all the digital media was protected by DRM the only thing that would happen would be an increase in sales. Open source and indie media have been around all through the evolution of DRM, and whatever successes they've enjoyed have been completely unrelated. @ h33t
I think you misunderstand the general population, they know what they want and they don’t care if there’s DRM because they are automatically authorised when they click the buy button in iTunes.

If all the digital media was protected by DRM the only thing that would happen would be an increase in sales. Open source and indie media have been around all through the evolution of DRM, and whatever successes they’ve enjoyed have been completely unrelated.

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