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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-255771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;248815&quot;]About Tonnerre Lombard&#039;s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an &quot;open&quot; (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven&#039;t heard about it until late November. That&#039;s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can&#039;t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.[/quote]
[quote comment=&quot;248815&quot;]About Tonnerre Lombard&#039;s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an &quot;open&quot; (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven&#039;t heard about it until late November. That&#039;s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can&#039;t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.[/quote]

That&#039;s my opinion too! It&#039;s a never ending battle.

If my comment shows up twice, it&#039;s my fault and not intentional
http://gamecopyproreview.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="248815"]About Tonnerre Lombard&#8217;s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an &#8220;open&#8221; (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven&#8217;t heard about it until late November. That&#8217;s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can&#8217;t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.[/quote]<br />
[quote comment="248815"]About Tonnerre Lombard&#8217;s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an &#8220;open&#8221; (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven&#8217;t heard about it until late November. That&#8217;s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can&#8217;t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.[/quote]</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my opinion too! It&#8217;s a never ending battle.</p>
<p>If my comment shows up twice, it&#8217;s my fault and not intentional<br />
<a href="http://gamecopyproreview.com" rel="nofollow">http://gamecopyproreview.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Olivier</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-248815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Olivier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About Tonnerre Lombard&#039;s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an &quot;open&quot; (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven&#039;t heard about it until late November. That&#039;s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can&#039;t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Tonnerre Lombard&#8217;s opinion: he says that this law was discussed for years, that it was an &#8220;open&#8221; (i.e. public) process, and so on. But most people haven&#8217;t heard about it until late November. That&#8217;s a fact. Another fact is that most people are not familiar with all this political stuff (lobbying, etc.). You can&#8217;t blame them for that. The bottom line is that this new law is ridiculous and, after all has been said and done, it just looks as if the FFII and other associations (FRC, etc.) have failed.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet777</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-240122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janet777]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P2P= Freedom
Sharing = Happiness
RIAA=DEAD
MPAA=DEAD
They don&#039;t own us.
Everything should be free like oxygen, air, water, sun light,natural resources...
To own something and make everyone drool for it is to enslave all
The rich wants to own us using money, banking that benefits them.
Don&#039;t let them. Resist them and do whatever it takes to not let them manipulate us with bs news... and propaganda are full of bias opinions or lies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P2P= Freedom<br />
Sharing = Happiness<br />
RIAA=DEAD<br />
MPAA=DEAD<br />
They don&#8217;t own us.<br />
Everything should be free like oxygen, air, water, sun light,natural resources&#8230;<br />
To own something and make everyone drool for it is to enslave all<br />
The rich wants to own us using money, banking that benefits them.<br />
Don&#8217;t let them. Resist them and do whatever it takes to not let them manipulate us with bs news&#8230; and propaganda are full of bias opinions or lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you cover more on the Canadian DMCA thay they are trying to introduce in Canada? Our facebook group Fair Copyright for Canada grew to 21 thousand in just over a week]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you cover more on the Canadian DMCA thay they are trying to introduce in Canada? Our facebook group Fair Copyright for Canada grew to 21 thousand in just over a week</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Null</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sir Null]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Alan UK

Good old analoge hole...
Too bad that they are trying to plug even that with things like HDMI. Sure, it&#039;s ultimately useless but that won&#039;t stop them from trying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alan UK</p>
<p>Good old analoge hole&#8230;<br />
Too bad that they are trying to plug even that with things like HDMI. Sure, it&#8217;s ultimately useless but that won&#8217;t stop them from trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan UK</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan UK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They can add as much DRM as they like. 
Just pop the cd in a drive and record via analogue just like in the old days of cassette tape. It only needs one person to purchase a cd and do the initial recording.
It just requires a bit more effort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can add as much DRM as they like.<br />
Just pop the cd in a drive and record via analogue just like in the old days of cassette tape. It only needs one person to purchase a cd and do the initial recording.<br />
It just requires a bit more effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Belligerent Engine</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-238092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Belligerent Engine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;237828&quot;]Polymorphic viruses are a completely different thing, they mutate on their own (just as in nature).

That you can always reverse engineer your way around this technique is obvious, but with constantly changing VMs you&#039;d be hard-pressed to keep up.[/quote]

Oh come on. It&#039;s always taken more time to come up with a new DRM system than it has taken to crack it, barring things like DVDs initially being so chock-full of material to not be worthy of warezing.

And constantly changing VMs? Something needs to remain constant, because in order to have &quot;constant change&quot; you need it to be systematic at some level. Boom! That&#039;s where the hacker comes in. It&#039;s exactly the same thing as polymorphic viruses!

Like I said, it&#039;s easy to come up with a security system that you yourself can&#039;t figure out how to crack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="237828"]Polymorphic viruses are a completely different thing, they mutate on their own (just as in nature).</p>
<p>That you can always reverse engineer your way around this technique is obvious, but with constantly changing VMs you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to keep up.[/quote]</p>
<p>Oh come on. It&#8217;s always taken more time to come up with a new DRM system than it has taken to crack it, barring things like DVDs initially being so chock-full of material to not be worthy of warezing.</p>
<p>And constantly changing VMs? Something needs to remain constant, because in order to have &#8220;constant change&#8221; you need it to be systematic at some level. Boom! That&#8217;s where the hacker comes in. It&#8217;s exactly the same thing as polymorphic viruses!</p>
<p>Like I said, it&#8217;s easy to come up with a security system that you yourself can&#8217;t figure out how to crack.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony to the S.</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony to the S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[big up torrentfreak!

http://paidandpopular.blogspot.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big up torrentfreak!</p>
<p><a href="http://paidandpopular.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://paidandpopular.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: fr3ak</title>
		<link>/swiss-dmca-fight-071212/#comment-237922</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fr3ak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As respectful as I am of Florian&#039;s opinion here, I also share the frustration felt by Tonnerre in trying to get Florian to join forces rather than attempt to create a (in my opinion futile) media storm over something that it is clear he fails to fully understand. 

&quot;By people who worked on that law openly hostile&quot; I can only assume he is referring to Tonnerre and that statement (amongst others) is a clear indication of Florian&#039;s miscomprehension of reality. Tonnerre was at all stages, including his &quot;final word&quot;, trying to impress upon Florian the valuable nature of joining forces, his &quot;hostility&quot; is the manifestation of butting his head against a brick wall.

If Florian et al had already been involved in the political process rather than jumping on the figurative bandwagon (or rather creating their own) he could have been involved in the lobbying process from the start. Not that I am trying to deny his right to express his opinion, late as it is, but if he can&#039;t grasp the simplicity of being involved in the political process by just reading/watching the news (and it is clear that there was media coverage of the laws proposal) then why should he be entrusted with the greater responsibility of figureheading a referendum. Tonnerre valiantly tried to make this point to him but apparently it sailed over Florian&#039;s head.

Still, made for an interesting if ultimately frustrating read.

Keep up the good work TorrentFreak!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As respectful as I am of Florian&#8217;s opinion here, I also share the frustration felt by Tonnerre in trying to get Florian to join forces rather than attempt to create a (in my opinion futile) media storm over something that it is clear he fails to fully understand. </p>
<p>&#8220;By people who worked on that law openly hostile&#8221; I can only assume he is referring to Tonnerre and that statement (amongst others) is a clear indication of Florian&#8217;s miscomprehension of reality. Tonnerre was at all stages, including his &#8220;final word&#8221;, trying to impress upon Florian the valuable nature of joining forces, his &#8220;hostility&#8221; is the manifestation of butting his head against a brick wall.</p>
<p>If Florian et al had already been involved in the political process rather than jumping on the figurative bandwagon (or rather creating their own) he could have been involved in the lobbying process from the start. Not that I am trying to deny his right to express his opinion, late as it is, but if he can&#8217;t grasp the simplicity of being involved in the political process by just reading/watching the news (and it is clear that there was media coverage of the laws proposal) then why should he be entrusted with the greater responsibility of figureheading a referendum. Tonnerre valiantly tried to make this point to him but apparently it sailed over Florian&#8217;s head.</p>
<p>Still, made for an interesting if ultimately frustrating read.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work TorrentFreak!</p>
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		<title>By: h33t</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[h33t]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ansa: actually very recently, within the last 12 months.

it has not quite hit them yet, but it will, and when it lands they will not have the breath left to protest]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ansa: actually very recently, within the last 12 months.</p>
<p>it has not quite hit them yet, but it will, and when it lands they will not have the breath left to protest</p>
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