Comments on: Tackling College Piracy: MPAA and RIAA’s Favorite http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:16:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Brice Bible Will Be My Bitch! http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-487757 Brice Bible Will Be My Bitch! Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:54:13 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-487757 "This way if we get a RIAA or MPAA discovery letter we can turn over the user...." Sounds a bit more than just "are monitoring a network they own. Completely within their rights." I call bullshit. Since when is it a university's policy to let a private corporate lobby group dictate policy and invade the privacy of students? The universities to support are the ones that have had the backbone to tell the RIAA/MPAA to stick it and defend the privacy rights of their students. Obviously OU has forgotten who they work for; the people who pay the tuition that pays their salaries and paid for their damn network in the first place. And to UniversitySysAdmin, I would suggest you choose wisely before joining an enemy that is slowly but surely being defeated both in the public eye and, more importantly, in the courts. Don't be so high and mighty either regarding the monitoring capability of your network. I guarantee you that if I was on your network, my data streams would NOT be available to your prying little eyes. The only thing you'd be pulling is your pud. What you should be pulling is your head out of your ass and start doing your job, not what some corporate goon tells you is your job. “This way if we get a RIAA or MPAA discovery letter we can turn over the user….”

Sounds a bit more than just “are monitoring a network they own. Completely within their rights.”

I call bullshit. Since when is it a university’s policy to let a private corporate lobby group dictate policy and invade the privacy of students? The universities to support are the ones that have had the backbone to tell the RIAA/MPAA to stick it and defend the privacy rights of their students. Obviously OU has forgotten who they work for; the people who pay the tuition that pays their salaries and paid for their damn network in the first place.

And to UniversitySysAdmin, I would suggest you choose wisely before joining an enemy that is slowly but surely being defeated both in the public eye and, more importantly, in the courts. Don’t be so high and mighty either regarding the monitoring capability of your network. I guarantee you that if I was on your network, my data streams would NOT be available to your prying little eyes. The only thing you’d be pulling is your pud.

What you should be pulling is your head out of your ass and start doing your job, not what some corporate goon tells you is your job.

]]> By: web design http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-487266 web design Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:07:20 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-487266 Seems fine to me, they are monitoring a network they own. Completely within their rights. If you're transmitting your password in plain text, you need to stop using FTP. Seems fine to me, they are monitoring a network they own. Completely within their rights. If you’re transmitting your password in plain text, you need to stop using FTP.

]]> By: UniversitySysAdmin http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-487003 UniversitySysAdmin Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:41:28 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-487003 As a University SysAdmin we are under pressure to have data on all users all the time. It's also our responsibility to enforce the Univ. policies. We don't block P2P, torrent or otherwise, but we do monitor all traffic (all the way to layer 7) and can pull your data streams for any given period of time and can tell you the name of files you've downloaded and all other traffic coming out of your box. (See: http://www.consentry.com/products_lss.html) This way if we get a RIAA or MPAA discovery letter we can turn over the user and meet our policy-based obligations. So, the onus is on the user to self-police and we don't look like big brother by blocking all P2P apps. Either way, there is "fair-use" involved in the usage of copyrighted material on a college campus. As long as faculty and students use the material in an academic fashion and not just "steal" it then they have a strong defense against the RIAA or MPAA. This is why they haven't been overly aggressive with suing students at Universities nationwide and have selectively gone after obvious offenders downloading any and everything they can get their hands on. In the end I think the RIAA and their minions will fade into oblivion but until that time beware of their deep pockets and false sense of victimization. As a University SysAdmin we are under pressure to have data on all users all the time. It’s also our responsibility to enforce the Univ. policies. We don’t block P2P, torrent or otherwise, but we do monitor all traffic (all the way to layer 7) and can pull your data streams for any given period of time and can tell you the name of files you’ve downloaded and all other traffic coming out of your box. (See: http://www.consentry.com/products_lss.html) This way if we get a RIAA or MPAA discovery letter we can turn over the user and meet our policy-based obligations. So, the onus is on the user to self-police and we don’t look like big brother by blocking all P2P apps.
Either way, there is “fair-use” involved in the usage of copyrighted material on a college campus. As long as faculty and students use the material in an academic fashion and not just “steal” it then they have a strong defense against the RIAA or MPAA. This is why they haven’t been overly aggressive with suing students at Universities nationwide and have selectively gone after obvious offenders downloading any and everything they can get their hands on.
In the end I think the RIAA and their minions will fade into oblivion but until that time beware of their deep pockets and false sense of victimization.

]]> By: Meocross http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486911 Meocross Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:35:23 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486911 Hopeless, when the hell will they learn!? some one needs to exterminate the MAFIAA out of existence they are a freaking nuisance really Hopeless, when the hell will they learn!? some one needs to exterminate the MAFIAA out of existence they are a freaking nuisance really

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486868 Anonymous Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:57:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486868 Wow, yet another censored post courtesy of TorrentFreak. I didn't even swear in this one, wonder what set off their EXTREMELY STRICT FILTER this time? Feels like I'm five years old trying to get a post in at this site. Wow, yet another censored post courtesy of TorrentFreak. I didn’t even swear in this one, wonder what set off their EXTREMELY STRICT FILTER this time? Feels like I’m five years old trying to get a post in at this site.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486866 Anonymous Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:55:32 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486866 Haha, wow @48. Sounds like most colleges though - completely disconnected from the student body and obsessed with their own little world of petty power and money-spending (all at the cost of fleecing the students of course). Can't forget sports either, a very nice side business for many schools. Oh America: where education and your health are big business (a leading cause of debt and *the* leading cause of bankruptcy, respectively). Haha, wow @48. Sounds like most colleges though – completely disconnected from the student body and obsessed with their own little world of petty power and money-spending (all at the cost of fleecing the students of course). Can’t forget sports either, a very nice side business for many schools. Oh America: where education and your health are big business (a leading cause of debt and *the* leading cause of bankruptcy, respectively).

]]> By: Diji1 http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486861 Diji1 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:39:28 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486861 @40 "Copyright nonsense is seriously hampering our culture. It is being used to seize control over other people." Dude, get a f**king grip! People have a choice over whether they buy or steal stuff you idiot. Explain exactly how copyright controls people please. Exactly how is it hampering culture - are you actually naive enough to think that people will make stuff costing 100's of millions of dollars - and NOT get rewarded for it. FFS! AFAIC, it's OU network, so they have the right to try to control what goes on, like any other entity. For people considering this institution this is an issue. There'll always be a way around it. As always I try not to delude myself: I'm a thief, it's up to them to try to stop me and me to keep stealing whilst I can. @40

“Copyright nonsense is seriously hampering our culture. It is being used to seize control over other people.”

Dude, get a f**king grip! People have a choice over whether they buy or steal stuff you idiot. Explain exactly how copyright controls people please. Exactly how is it hampering culture – are you actually naive enough to think that people will make stuff costing 100’s of millions of dollars – and NOT get rewarded for it. FFS!

AFAIC, it’s OU network, so they have the right to try to control what goes on, like any other entity. For people considering this institution this is an issue. There’ll always be a way around it.

As always I try not to delude myself: I’m a thief, it’s up to them to try to stop me and me to keep stealing whilst I can.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486708 Anonymous Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:48:20 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486708 @50 They do when they come from Adzilla, Front Porch, Kindsight, NebuAd or Phorm. @50

They do when they come from Adzilla, Front Porch, Kindsight, NebuAd or Phorm.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486599 Anonymous Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:11:04 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486599 @53 But that's not the entire problem. There is also a symbolic problem. The symbolic importance is that the College wants to stigmatize file-sharing, saying that it is "unacceptable." This is a very big problem, and must be changed. @53
But that’s not the entire problem. There is also a symbolic problem. The symbolic importance is that the College wants to stigmatize file-sharing, saying that it is “unacceptable.” This is a very big problem, and must be changed.

]]> By: Viper007Bond http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486596 Viper007Bond Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:04:34 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486596 Everyone there should just tick "force encrypted connections". Problem solved. Everyone there should just tick “force encrypted connections”. Problem solved.

]]> By: Blthree http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486589 Blthree Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:42:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486589 So does this system block encrypted torrent traffic? It seems like that would be too simple a way around a 60k system. A couple of my friends are starting at OU this year and they asked me to help them get bittorrent to work. I guess they made a big deal about this system at orientation, I heard they made it sound like you have no hope against this system. So does this system block encrypted torrent traffic? It seems like that would be too simple a way around a 60k system.

A couple of my friends are starting at OU this year and they asked me to help them get bittorrent to work. I guess they made a big deal about this system at orientation, I heard they made it sound like you have no hope against this system.

]]> By: Jim McDish http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486587 Jim McDish Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:35:45 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486587 Yup, those idiots love picking on college kids! Would be nice if college kids would suddenly STOP buying anything under their control! CDs, Movies etc..etc.. Hit em where it hurts. RT http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.net Yup, those idiots love picking on college kids! Would be nice if college kids would suddenly STOP buying anything under their control! CDs, Movies etc..etc.. Hit em where it hurts.

RT
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.net

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486586 Anonymous Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:28:57 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486586 @44 Except that routers and switches don't monitor things. @44
Except that routers and switches don’t monitor things.

]]> By: No Donations For Ohio University http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486578 No Donations For Ohio University Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:06:15 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486578 @44 You're missing the point. Routers and switches are a necessity to operate the network. The Copysense box isn't. @44

You’re missing the point. Routers and switches are a necessity to operate the network. The Copysense box isn’t.

]]> By: ou student http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486573 ou student Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:37:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486573 i am from ou and had a friend who got caught in a round of riaa captures. ou gave out all of their names, and afforded no support to them. my friend had to dropout of college and is now in deep debt. ou is a dictatorship campus, which is why little change happens. the board of directors that lives in columbus ohio, 2 hours away, pretty much runs the campus through a black president who got a vote of no confidence voted on him from students AND staff. board of directors responded with a raise and contract extension :/ i am from ou and had a friend who got caught in a round of riaa captures. ou gave out all of their names, and afforded no support to them. my friend had to dropout of college and is now in deep debt. ou is a dictatorship campus, which is why little change happens. the board of directors that lives in columbus ohio, 2 hours away, pretty much runs the campus through a black president who got a vote of no confidence voted on him from students AND staff. board of directors responded with a raise and contract extension :/

]]> By: gamaliel http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486571 gamaliel Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:34:15 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486571 The box is basically blood money to the RIAA, they [the RIAA] can't accuse the campus of not being pro-active about copyright infringers if the campus is paying them $75,000 to 'stop' it. The box is basically blood money to the RIAA, they [the RIAA] can’t accuse the campus of not being pro-active about copyright infringers if the campus is paying them $75,000 to ’stop’ it.

]]> By: AnonymousOU http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486569 AnonymousOU Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:29:54 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486569 I go to OU and I'm really sick of what they are doing to us with this P2P crap. They raise our tuition every year in order to pay for this "security" and because of that we have the one of the highest tuitions in the state but with some of the poorest facilities(dorms, classrooms). I know a couple of people who had their connections terminated by the university and in order to get their connection back they have to take their computers to the tech center and have everything they downloaded wiped from it. The system doesn't work that well either because I download things on almost a daily basis and my connection has never been terminated. Its a waist of our tuition. I go to OU and I’m really sick of what they are doing to us with this P2P crap. They raise our tuition every year in order to pay for this “security” and because of that we have the one of the highest tuitions in the state but with some of the poorest facilities(dorms, classrooms). I know a couple of people who had their connections terminated by the university and in order to get their connection back they have to take their computers to the tech center and have everything they downloaded wiped from it. The system doesn’t work that well either because I download things on almost a daily basis and my connection has never been terminated. Its a waist of our tuition.

]]> By: A Non E Mouse http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486565 A Non E Mouse Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:21:04 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486565 Who needs their shitty music and its audio fingerprint, everything else is still ok.. right? Right?! Who needs their shitty music and its audio fingerprint, everything else is still ok.. right? Right?!

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486564 Anonymous Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:19:22 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486564 "he has paid tens of thousands of dollars for a box that can potentially cause a similar breach" That is a statement that needs some qualifiers. Firstly, it's no more dangerous security wise than the routers/switches that operate the network. Secondly, you can actually mitigate risks by not giving the monitoring box an IP address and placing it on a segment of the network that can't go outbound. Then the only way to root the box would be to buffer overflow the sensor, but even if you did that you wouldn't be able to get any data off the box. “he has paid tens of thousands of dollars for a box that can potentially cause a similar breach”

That is a statement that needs some qualifiers. Firstly, it’s no more dangerous security wise than the routers/switches that operate the network.

Secondly, you can actually mitigate risks by not giving the monitoring box an IP address and placing it on a segment of the network that can’t go outbound. Then the only way to root the box would be to buffer overflow the sensor, but even if you did that you wouldn’t be able to get any data off the box.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/tackling-college-piracy-the-technological-approach-080817/#comment-486562 Anonymous Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:09:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=3824#comment-486562 @42 No, it will stop being controversial when copyright is relaxed, when it starts to legalize all non-commercial P2P of copyrighted materials. This is what must, and will happen. @42
No, it will stop being controversial when copyright is relaxed, when it starts to legalize all non-commercial P2P of copyrighted materials. This is what must, and will happen.

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