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		<title>Too Much Cash Causes Pirate Admin to Quit, 43K Ebook Dump Imminent</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2013 10:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Faced with unmanageable euro revenues "in six digits" and a reluctance of publishers to legitimize the site, the administrator of a Tor-based download site developed to shake up the eBook market says he has been forced to leave the project. In other knock-on developments, TorrentFreak is informed that the site's contents - around  43,000 eBooks - will today spill out onto the Internet, free of charge.<p>Source: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/e-books.jpg" width="220" height="150" class="alignright">In early September we reported on TorBoox, a site on the Tor network providing millions of unauthorized ebooks to the public.</p>
<p>The site made the news when reporters in Germany were subjected to a <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/journalists-face-criminal-complaint-for-mentioning-name-of-pirate-site-130830/">criminal complaint</a> by publishers who objected to the site being named.</p>
<p>With that complaint withdrawn, TorBoox indicated they were about to take radical action to shake up the ebook market by hurting Amazon. The idea was <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/pirates-plan-to-beat-up-amazon-disrupt-the-ebook-market-130906">quite complex</a>, but essentially involved offering all-you-can-eat books to the public for a flat fee &#8211; a Spotify for ebooks with eyes on legitimacy.</p>
<p>However, with 1.2 million ebook downloads per day things couldn&#8217;t continue the way they were. TorBoox implemented a paywall and asked users for 3.33 euros per month to try and pay for the servers. Around a third of the site&#8217;s users left, but according to the site&#8217;s operator things went better than expected.</p>
<p>&#8220;Every user had to pay € 10.00 with Paysafecard (which is the minimal amount at the stores). We were in need of about € 500 per month but got much, much more. The money we were in need of we got in a few hours. Ordinary German citizens of any age and background went to the petrol stations and asked for a coupon that has no other imaginable purpose than an illegal one,&#8221; TorBoox operator Spiegelbest informs TorrentFreak.</p>
<p>&#8220;We could easily have deactivated the monthly payments from the start. Just the newcomers would have contributed much more money than we would have needed for books and servers. The initial payment would have be sufficient for a year long membership &#8211; at least. My concept was to spend the money before asking for new payments.&#8221; </p>
<p>But while things were taking off, they were also getting out of hand.</p>
<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/dollar-money.jpg" width="180" height="135" class="alignright">&#8220;I saw the amounts of money steeply rising to five-digit [euro] amounts from the start. And without a lot of imagination a six-digit number of euros will be reached by the middle of November,&#8221; Spiegelbest explains.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you look at a currency like Bitcoin you can handle it this way or that way. A steep rise in the value of Bitcoins lately helped to tear down any remaining caution and reluctance. A decent and reasonable ending to all this money accumulation became more and more out of sight.&#8221;</p>
<p>Running alongside this somewhat unusual financial crisis was TorBoox&#8217;s quest for legitimacy and things weren&#8217;t looking good there either.</p>
<p>&#8220;We tried to get into contact with &#8216;Börsenverein&#8217; which is the organization of German Publishers. We tried to keep our titles safe from any other site to have something to offer. For us and for me it would have been okay if the people get their books with a legal low-cost flatrate &#8211; I am not illegal by principle. But we were ignored completely,&#8221; Spiegelbest reveals.</p>
<p>With too much money at hand and no deal with the publishers, Spiegelbest quit TorBoox as an operator.</p>
<p>What will happen with TorBoox now remains uncertain, but TorrentFreak is informed that the archives of TorBoox have been obtained unknown individuals, possibly members of the warez scene. As a result, sometime during today, November 3, TorBoox&#8217;s archives &#8211; 43,000 ebooks &#8211; will flood onto the Internet for the free-of-charge enjoyment of all. An announcement of some kind is expected to be published on <a href="http://avaxhome.ws">Avaxhome.ws</a> during the evening.</p>
<p>&#8220;This archive does not belong to TorBoox. It comes from all the sources surrounding it,&#8221; a source close to the forthcoming leak told TorrentFreak.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sources go back to the early days of scanning. TorBoox was just like a magnet. If anyone has a right to get the archive it is the poeople having done all the work on it in the last year. But even those people didn&#8217;t have access to the archive which is very odd indeed and rather paranoic. The operators themselves did not do much work other than keeping the archive locked away.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whether the publishers will consider the above developments as good or bad news is a matter for them, but if Spiegelbest is to be believed there is a real demand for a Spotify-for-books, if it comes at the right price. Food for thought.</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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		<title>Pirates Plan to Beat Up Amazon &amp; Disrupt the Ebook Market</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/pirates-plan-to-beat-up-amazon-disrupt-the-ebook-market-130906/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week we reported on Torboox, an unauthorized download site causing waves in the German eBook market. Speaking with TorrentFreak the site's operator has revealed a plan to disrupt the status quo and bring book publishers to the negotiating table. Working with Toorbox will not only be in the publisher's best interests, the admin explains, but will also help them to bring down a shared rival - distribution giant Amazon.<p>Source: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/images/e-books.jpg"><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/e-books.jpg" alt="e-books" width="220" height="150" class="alignright size-full wp-image-26365"></a>Of the hundreds of file-sharing sites operating during the past decade, only a few have admitted that their main aim is to be disruptive. The Pirate Bay is notable for having this kind of approach but not even the world&#8217;s most infamous torrent site had a particular exit strategy in mind.</p>
<p>Last week we reported on Torboox, an ebook site providing millions of unauthorized ebooks to the public. The site made the news after German reporters were subjected to a <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/journalists-face-criminal-complaint-for-mentioning-name-of-pirate-site-130830/">criminal complaint</a> by publishers who didn&#8217;t want the site named. While that complaint has now been withdrawn, Torboox say that not only will they continue, but they have a serious plan to shake up the ebook market by targeting Amazon. Here&#8217;s how.</p>
<p>In Germany books are subjected to fixed pricing by law, which means that books can only be offered for sale to the public at a price determined by the publisher. This effectively means that there is no competition between rival sellers on the issue of price, value placed on books is not linked to the cost of making them, and supply and demand variables are a thing of the past.</p>
<p>&#8220;German publishers can set the prices that Amazon sells ebooks for,&#8221; Spiegelbest, the admin of Toorboox, told TorrentFreak. &#8220;That&#8217;s why Amazon is trying to become a publisher itself by offering authors much better conditions than the publishers can.&#8221;</p>
<p>Spiegelbest says that there are currently two players of significance in the German ebook market &#8211; Amazon and Torboox &#8211; and they have things in common.</p>
<h2>Torboox and Amazon are just the same, only the price is different.</h2>
<p><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/images/torboox.jpg"><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/torboox.jpg" alt="torboox" width="190" height="95" class="alignright size-full wp-image-76296"></a>&#8220;If you look at it, they are very similar. Amazon is nothing but a hoster for the authors. No wonder they can offer 70% provision,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>&#8220;Amazon does nothing to &#8216;produce&#8217; books. Thus they are very similar to Torboox. Both of us &#8211; legal and illegal &#8211; are book hosters, not traditional book publishers. The ebook market is shared between two book hosters.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to Spiegelbest, publishers entering the German ebook market face many risks and a fierce competitor in Amazon, a company that has already prepared for a market without paper books.</p>
<p>&#8220;From the start Amazon saw themselves as a mere publisher of ebooks. Why let the publishers come into a market Amazon created and dominates already? So they do business with the authors willing to publish digitally,&#8221; he explains.</p>
<p>With the way that the market is arranged at the moment and as the paper market slows down, Spiegelbest says that German publishers are trapped. Amazon dominates the ebook market and is defending its market share. On the other hand is Torboox, a site offering ebooks much, much cheaper than anyone else in the market, Amazon included.</p>
<p>&#8220;We ourselves are not the born enemy of the publishers,&#8221; Spiegelbest explains. &#8220;We slash the prices okay, we steal their content if you want, but we see publishers as co-producers of books like the authors.</p>
<p>&#8220;For us it is not just hosting a book. That&#8217;s not enough. There is a lot more to it. It sounds strange but we love books. We are in it for the books not for the business. Amazon is our enemy &#8211; not life or death &#8211; but for the sake of the quality of future books.&#8221;</p>
<p>We asked how Torboox hopes to battle such a huge company, change the market and come out on top. The response is pretty controversial. According to Spiegelbest, piracy currently controls around 50% of the market, with Amazon on 40% and others holding the rest.</p>
<h2>Send Amazon business &#8211; and then take them down.</h2>
<p><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/images/amazon.jpg"><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/amazon.jpg" alt="amazon" width="180" height="79" class="alignright size-full wp-image-76512"></a>&#8220;If you look at it you get a funny picture. At the moment we are doing a good job for Amazon. We are offering the best-sellers of the publishers for nothing. Thus the publishers make less money, can pay their authors less and will eventually lose them to Amazon. Very nice construction this is. As Amazon itself is already cutting prices with their titles you have a double effect of strangling the publishers,&#8221; Spiegelbest explains.</p>
<p>&#8220;At the moment you have high quality content of the publishers trying to enter the ebook market. But the prices are high and the conditions for the customers (DRM etc) are unacceptable. The publishers have no concept. You cannot sell ebooks like paper books.&#8221;</p>
<p>The solution, the Torboox admin believes, is offering a flat-rate, all you can eat service. He says he already has plenty of users willing to become customers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our users could easily become customers of publishers with a sound concept. But publishers have to listen &#8211; not to us but to their would-be customers. They have superior content but have no answer to Amazons&#8217;s challenge,&#8221; he says.</p>
<h2>The business model</h2>
<p>&#8220;In the end the publishers have to talk to us. They have to find a way to make us legal. It is their job not ours. A flatrate will be 10 euros a month &#8211; no limit. Licensing will again be the job of the publishers. If a publisher isn&#8217;t wise enough to participate &#8211; no problem,&#8221; Spiegelbest says.</p>
<p><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/images/dollar-money.jpg"><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/dollar-money.jpg" alt="dollar-money" width="180" height="135" class="alignright size-full wp-image-38877"></a>&#8220;The author gets the same as Amazon pays. If Amazon pays 80% we pay 80%. They get paid according to what the users read. Every read page is paid.&#8221;</p>
<p>Figures shared with TorrentFreak suggest that Torboox users are indeed consuming a lot of books which could conceivably translate into revenue if the userbase warms to the flatrate idea. Currently the site&#8217;s users are downloading around 2 million books per month, increasing to a predicted five million in the run up to Christmas.</p>
<p>At the moment the site operates on a donation model but as things grow the users will be expected to pay their way. It&#8217;s the publishers&#8217; choice whether they get a look at that money, Spiegelbest says, while noting that the site continues to grow.</p>
<p>&#8220;If our server is grounded by traffic we will have our own cloud. We have plenty of time. Again if the publishers don&#8217;t want to talk to us it is okay. But one day without talking to us there will be a Christmas business without German book publishers that&#8217;s for sure. In a way it&#8217;s the Grooveshark thing. You  want money for your files, you get it. You don&#8217;t want money for your files, we have them downloaded anyway. Be a wise man.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the end Spiegelbest believes that the publishers will have little choice but to come to him.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have the concept. The publishers have the content. Together we can indeed battle Amazon. And Amazon is not monopolizing films, games or music &#8211; why ebooks? For me the biggest problem is this: Will the publishers understand before they vanish? That&#8217;s 50-50, no more,&#8221; he concludes.</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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