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		<title>YouTube MP3 Converter Loses Court Battle But The Music Plays On</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the world's largest sites dedicated to converting YouTube videos to downloadable MP3s has lost a court battle with representatives from the music industry. YouTube-MP3, a site that was also threatened by Google in 2012, agreed to cease and desist from its current mode of operation after it was revealed it was not only ripping music from YouTube, but also archiving the MP3s for future download. Despite the loss, the site remains online - legally.<p>Source: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/images/youtube.jpg"><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/youtube.jpg" alt="youtube" width="200" height="110" class="alignright size-full wp-image-35449"></a>In addition to obtaining music from file-sharing networks, those looking for free tracks often get them from so-called tube-rippers, sites and services that transform YouTube videos into downloadable MP3s.</p>
<p>These tools are available in several formats including desktop packages, apps for mobile devices, and more commonly browser-based tools. In mid-2012 YouTube owners Google, believed to be under pressure from the music industry, started to make life more difficult for web-based YouTube converters and some cases issued <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/google-threatens-to-sue-huge-youtube-mp3-conversion-site-120619/">threats to sue</a>.</p>
<p>While some sites decided to shut down, many others continued business as usual, including the German site YouTube-MP3, one of the largest YouTube ripping services around with around 30 million visits per month. The site has <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/youtube-mp3-fights-google-with-lawyers-and-220k-signature-petition-120703/">long insisted</a> that it has a right to provide ripping services but having fought off Google it recently found itself up against fresh adversaries.</p>
<p>Three music companies under the umbrella of industry group BVMI challenged YouTube-MP3&#8242;s assertion that it operates legally and sued it in the Hamburg District Court. The companies said that while YouTube-MP3 claimed to be offering only a rip-and-download service, there were serious technical issues behind the scenes that rendered the site in breach of copyright law.</p>
<p>YouTube-MP3 claimed that users of its service could enter the URL of a YouTube video and have the site convert and churn out an MP3 for download. Apparently, however, that wasn&#8217;t always the way it worked. Once a video had been converted to MP3, that audio was stored on YouTube-MP3&#8242;s servers. If another user subsequently entered the same YouTube URL, no conversion or ripping was carried out. They were simply handed a copy of the previously stored MP3 for download.</p>
<p><center><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/youtubemp3.jpg" alt="YouTube-MP3"></center></p>
<p>In a statement sent to TorrentFreak, BVMI said that this was a clear breach of copyright law.</p>
<p>&#8220;Contrary  to  the  common  assumption  that  YouTubeMP3  is  a streamripper that allows users to record songs from the Internet (much as cassette recorders were used to record  music from the radio  back in the day),  in fact the online converter often simply made the pieces  available  for download  without a license,&#8221; BVMI said.</p>
<p>BVMI said that by the time the case had arrived in court last month the owner of YouTube-MP3 had already signed cease and desist declarations and agreed to refrain from reproducing and distributing copyright content.</p>
<p>“The current case provides deep insights into the workings of so-called  ‘recording services’<br>
and exposes a trick that not only hoodwinks the rights owners but also misleads the users of<br>
these  services,&#8221; said BVMI Managing Director Dr Florian Drücke.</p>
<p>&#8220;Under the guise of private copying [YouTube-MP3] deceives people into thinking  that<br>
everything  is above-board, even though  the user  –  unwittingly  –  avails himself of an  illegal download platform. We have for some time pointed out that the vague  definition  of  ‘private copies’  encourages  cat-and-mouse games  in matters of streamripping, so  a clarification  at the political level is needed here.&#8221;</p>
<p>With the signing of the declarations the Hamburg District Court considered the case closed but ordered YouTube-MP3 to pay everyone&#8217;s costs.</p>
<p>TorrentFreak contacted the site&#8217;s owner for a comment but as yet we&#8217;ve received no response. Presumably life at YouTube-MP3 will continue, but without storing converted MP3s for subsequent download. The end result, of course, is that users of the site will still get ripped MP3s just as they did before, a point not lost on BVMI.</p>
<p>&#8220;One  thing  is  clear:  this  platform,  as  well  as  most  other streamripper sites,  generate considerable advertising income that is not shared with the artists or their partners.  This has nothing to do with fairness, nor does it fit with our current digital age, when many music sites – some of them free – can be used perfectly legally on the Internet,&#8221; BVMI conclude.</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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		<title>Google Threatens To Sue Huge YouTube MP3 Conversion Site</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/google-threatens-to-sue-huge-youtube-mp3-conversion-site-120619/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[enigmax]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to a letter seen by TorrentFreak, Google are threatening action against one of the web's largest YouTube conversion sites. The site, which according to Google's own stats is pulling in 1.3 million visitors every day, extracts MP3 audio from YouTube videos and makes it available for users to download. Google's lawyers say this must stop, and have given the site seven days to comply.<p>Source: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img alt="" src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/youtube.jpg" class="alignright" width="200" height="110">YouTube is without doubt the biggest free resource of videos and music available online today. It can be enjoyed on the site itself, embedded in any webpage, or accessed via YouTube&#8217;s Application Programming Interface.</p>
<p>This API, as it&#8217;s better known, provides web developers with access to certain YouTube features, but like many free gifts it comes with certain strings attached, aka the YouTube Terms of Service (ToS).</p>
<p>One of the countless resources to use the YouTube API is <a href="http://www.youtube-mp3.org/">YouTube-MP3.org</a>, a huge site which according to Google&#8217;s DoubleClick service pulls in 1.3 million visitors every day.</p>
<p>What YouTube-MP3 does is straightforward. At one end a user feeds the site with a YouTube URL and after a couple of minutes the site spits out a standalone MP3 file, perfect for ripping the audio from pop videos.</p>
<p><center><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/youtubemp3.jpg" alt="YouTubeMP3"></center></p>
<p>Needless to say these sites are hugely popular, particularly with the younger generation. Just last month TorrentFreak spoke informally with a small youth group about their current music consumption habits and without exception they were all using some kind of YouTube conversion service and listening to that music on their cellphones.</p>
<p>Google, however, are not impressed with the activities of YouTube-MP3. In a letter dated June 8 sent to the site owner &#8216;Philip&#8217; and shared with TorrentFreak, Associate Product Counsel at YouTube Harris Cohen makes the company&#8217;s position clear.</p>
<p>Citing the <a href="https://developers.google.com/youtube/terms">ToS</a> for YouTube&#8217;s API, Cohen insists that offering any kind of service that allows YouTube content to be downloaded (as opposed to simply streamed) is prohibited.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Cohen underlines the fact that to “separate, isolate, or modify the audio or video components of any YouTube audiovisual content made available through the YouTube API&#8221; is forbidden, as is externally storing copies of YouTube content.</p>
<p>Continuing to violate these restrictions, Cohen warns, may result in &#8220;legal consequences&#8221; for YouTube-mp3. The site has been given seven days to comply.</p>
<p>Speaking with TorrentFreak, Philip told us that he sent a long response to Cohen providing him with details on YouTube-MP3, how the site services tens of millions of users, and asking for a call with YouTube to discuss the matter further.</p>
<p>YouTube, however, doesn&#8217;t appear to be in the mood for negotiation. Google has just blocked all of YouTube-MP3&#8242;s servers from accessing YouTube so currently the site has no MP3 download service to offer or indeed withdraw.</p>
<p>&#8220;We would estimate that there are roughly 200 million people across the world that make use of services like ours and Google doesn&#8217;t just ignore all those people, they are about to criminalize them. With the way they are interpreting and creating their ToS every one of those 200 million users is threatened to be sued by Google,&#8221; Philip <a href="http://www.youtube-mp3.org/help-us">adds</a>.</p>
<p>Not surprisingly Google sees things from a different perspective. It says that part of its responsibility to people uploading content to YouTube is to give them tools to manage how their content is shared, monetized and generally displayed.</p>
<p>Some of those content owners, including the major record labels, frown on their music videos being used as a source for unauthorized MP3s, so they will welcome YouTube&#8217;s approach. Whether they prompted the action in the first instance is unknown.</p>
<p>Whatever the outcome in the case of YouTube-MP3, Google has a big task ahead if it is to end all similar services online. A simple search for &#8220;YouTube MP3&#8243; with its own engine produces dozens of alternatives.</p>
<p>Just last year the world&#8217;s largest record labels <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/youtube-downloader-site-sued-by-worlds-biggest-music-labels-110826/">sued another YouTube downloader site</a> but getting Google to do the work at its root is probably much less costly.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> We have just been informed that Google may be targeting other similar services with the same message. If your site is affected, please contact us at the <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/contact/">usual address</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Update2:</strong> The owner of YouTube-MP3 has just informed us that his site does not use the API, but obtains videos by other means.</p>
<p><strong>Update3:</strong> <a href="http://www.music-clips.net/">Music-Clips.net</a> received a letter from Google as well.</p>
<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com/images/google-mp3.jpg" alt="" title="google-mp3" width="525" height="369" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-52819"></p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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