They can’t even afford a $9 .com or a $1.50 .info… Sad lmao.

I give this tracker a week lol.

Lets avoid the aspect of the “lists” aka BlueTack as yes we can question how useful those lists are all day.

Now, contrary to Ben Jones confusing statement that its like the scam virus scanners, the actual ipfilter software does indeed work. No… PG, blockpost and protowall (for common MS ones) don’t sit there and randomly generate random text to fool you.

And if your skeptical of BlueTack lists (like Ben Jones argues in a confusing manner) you can simply make and use your own lists. Nobody said you couldn’t, and when loaded into whatever ipfilter you use, yes it will block that communication.

And if you are still scared of the common MS ones, run a nix gateway with a ipfilter, as yes they work too.. So ipfilters are a good thing, and its up to you, the user to determine what kind of list(s) you see fit to use.

So lets not confuse the ipfilter software with the lists used!

And lets face reality, there are other means to obtain files, that is considerably safer. And no I don’t mean “private” trackers…

People put content out there for the “real” motive of free information, not to measure their e-penis with how much ratio they have, and seeds… lol

And guess what? The nature of those beasts is to do exactly what is “bad” in torrent land… leech.

Sharing in p2p land isn’t caring, its getting logged and proving you uploaded.

As time goes on and more draconian laws get passed worldwide, this will become considerably more relevant.

O well…

Oh, and the lists are different from the program. Peerblock says use the lists at iblocklist, which shows mostly lists from… Bluetack (also the default for Peerguardian. Oh, and Fakir, the guy behind iblocklist, a big BlueTack supporter (got lots of logs where he supports their wild-assed claims, so don’t expect his own lists to be any better)

There is a nice comparison to be made with these blocklist programs, and that’s to the scamware virus scanners. You’ve seen the popups and adverts, that say you’re infected, not download this free program to protect you. Same thing. This says it’s protecting you (It’s not and never has) and gives you lots of blocks for what it claims to be ‘bad’ IPs, like the scamware virii scanners claim to be detecting and cleaning up virii)

@57 – from the point of view of damages, they’re both worth the same. If anything, since the revenue stream for Ace Ventura has dried up, it may be worth more as a way to maximise franchise income. It could potentially even be easier to get a bigger judgement, as in court it could clearly be proven that there were multiple easy ways to obtain the movie without infringing copyright. Whereas, the only way to see Sherlock is at an expensive cinema, or a poor quality cam.
And trying to use an assumption you say is false, to make your point is a little… strange to say the least.

nslookup 66.152.162.116 116-162-152-66-dedicated.HostDone.com

i think he should have moved to where the piratebay is now .

however the page has much of the same content as openbittorent does so it make me think it is run by the same people.

That is when they were working. Pg2 site has on page one advice to use http://www.peerblock.com . They may have moved on.

I have seen it action blocking files that certain entertainers have paid anti p2p to watch over.

If you like you could try this yourself as a test. I don’t need to read reports. After seeing this myself.

If you really want to see it in action try it on an axxo file on a public tracker. ; )

You have to get in their head, if you were trying to harvest IP’s, which would you choose, the 1000 peer cam of sherlock holmes or the 17 peer swesub dvdrip of ace ventura?

I think the key is just simple intelligence.

Whether you believe in blocklists or not, there should be at least one thing we can all agree on:

Smart downloading = happy downloading.

That means not jumping on new movies, tvshows, games, and music the moment it appears on the net. Patience is a virtue – waiting a few weeks will not kill you, and is probably a better bet in terms of avoiding at least some of the initial heat in a big-release-leak. That is not to say that it is foolproof, but it does help.

Not being stupid with what you download helps too. Studios like Sony,BMG, and the other giants are notorious for their logging. Avoiding content like that is a good idea.

For music/movie lovers – look into buying the damn movie later! It makes for excellent defense. You might be guilty of downloading, but the damages that can be brought against you will be far less severe considering that, if you own at least one copy of everything you downloaded, that there are no real damages inflicted upon the plaintiff. There might still be penalties, but it wont be as bad.

And you could always use a seedbox, which is (personally) the best way to do it.

I mean, blocklists or not, stupid downloaders are going to get caught. If you jump on that brand spanking new hollywood hit the minute it hits torrents, someone *will* find you. Too many eyes to not get caught by someone.

Wait a week. Or a month. Get netflix, or the rough equivalent, in your area. Be smart about what you download – and you’ll download for longer.

Put it this way – can you think of ways to get around the blocklist right now? What about if you had a $1500 budget? Now remember, they’ve been thinking those thoughts for 6-7 years, and have a much greater budget. Despite what you think, antiP2P companies are not stupid, brazen yes, but stupid no. They may make stupid statements, like the Village people claim the other day, but they make it because they can, and because they can try and intimidate where the facts don’t work.

If Bluetack wants to be more ‘accepted’, then the first thing they should do, is go public with their identities. For all you know, ‘m0nk’ is John Giaccobi, and ‘m00re’ works for UK-FACT. Firstaid I don’t think is old enough to be employed, based on dealings that I, and others have had with him.

Just like the maffia you have not provided any proof to your claims! Condoms are not 100% effective against pregnancy or transferring STDs, but I don’t plan on diddling the pink without one, just because its not completely effective.

Give me some evidence of what your claiming and I’ll STFU, until then I’m using a rubber!

Interestingly, it also says that the majority of the entries are not anti-p2p.

The paper is highly flawed, and doing an analytical correction of it is something I’ve had on the to-do list for a while. However, since the central premise is that the lists are accurate, and it works from there, the paper is fatally flawed, as there are countless examples that show they are NOT accurate at all (why not try the physical study done by the University of Washington where they actually used the blocklists and saw NO reduction in notices, if anything they increased. To quote their paper “We have further demonstrated that IP blacklists, a standard method for avoiding systematic monitoring, are wholly ineffective given current identification techniques and provide only limited coverage of likely monitoring agents.”

Here’s the thing, you see. There is no way to tell if an IP is logging you. Contrary to Bluetack’s claims, it doesn’t act differently. If you use utorrent, go to the logging tab, and select all the peer traffic logging options – you’re now doing exactly as they’re doing – logging all your actions and the IPs you do it with. you’re not changing anything.There are plugins to do it with Vuze as well. If you can’t tell, how can you add them to a list? You can’t.

pq – the IPs you refer to were MediaDefender. The low-hitrate was a test done by Slyck, a month after the IPs leaked. With a full set of lists, (that comprised some 30% of ALL IPs blocked) there was only around 3% of these IPs actually blocked. Substantially lower than the rate you would probably get if you added at random, which suggests selecting to avoid. Add in that NO-ONE (not even the people behind peerguardian) actually know who’s behind bluetack, should raise some questions. Absolutely no-one knows who they are, has met them in person etc. yet you put your trust in them.

“We ALL know that its not 100% safe but even if it only blocks 2% of all those nasty ips (and i guess its pbly more) thats fine for me.”
This is the problem with thinking only in absolutes. If say 2% is blocked, BUT 30% of ‘innocent’ IPs are blocked, that means you’re more likely to connect to the 98% of bad ones unblocked. The relative proportions are skewed more, giving the ‘guilty’ IPs an effectively bigger IP share. Absolutes don’t matter, it’s the proportion between them.

Ben, you once worked in IP rights enforcement, so please tell us what difference it makes whether I run a blocklist or not. Also, could you please provide relevant supporting links or documents for this statement…

Every independent test has found them ineffective as best, and actually INCREASING risk at worst. There’s a reason why every competent authority related to bittorrent recommends AGAINST using blocklists.

The link provided by omfg is from what I would consider a ‘competent authority’ and they disagree with your claims about blocklists.

Lets think about http://www.itshidden.com for a sec. When they launched their service, their ip range was being blocked by pg2 on some list it allowed you to check (which?) The service after it was announced to the world has some downtime as lots of things do but anyways it was blocked by the list. After they worked out the downtime and heard feedback from people (they actually knew it was blocked when they launched) but didn’t worrry about it too much. Now that they have the issues worked out, I haven’t heard of any complaints. I’m sure somewhere they could still be blocked but overall its good. Work your issues out and then resume. Perhapse you should host or whatever you do with your range that is blocked send it to a vpn = unblock. There are enough around to make this an easy issue to be resolved. If one is blocked, try another. Case solved. Now I am going to go back to blocking my connections through my peerblock as for I don’t like people corrupting my downloads. How about running a vpn over your peerblock? Itshidden.com then peerblock = happy?

Blindly trusting a blocklist is for the foolish,and with only one group playing god we are likely to always suffer their stupidity.

I think NameCheap is the best option for now. GoDaddy can do some weird this (like the myBittorrent kidnapping) and torrentsites who are customer of Moniker seems to be quicker taken down than torrentsites @NameCheap or GoDaddy.

You should really read http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~anirban/Anir-networking07.pdf this paper.

Not using any blocklist software is practically guaranteed to logged by some random anti p2p company / government / big cooperation.

Are blocklists foolproof ? no
Will blocklist give you 100% protection ? no of course not

Will they stop at least some logging – yes they will = win

In my country it’s only illegal activity as long as i upload 100% to someone and that could be proven – but if i block this ip range its rather impossible to actually prove that i actually commited some sort of crime – this is where blocklists come in handy – identify me but as long as i block something i won’t upload 100%. Of course you could always hop on another ip range and wait for my upload but that would mean you have to get a list of all seeders, pick out those who use a blocklist, hop on another ip range block all those without the blocklist cause they aren’t the target anymore and wait for my upload .. way to much effort for any anti p2p company that are mostly behind “big fishes”.

We ALL know that its not 100% safe but even if it only blocks 2% of all those nasty ips (and i guess its pbly more) thats fine for me. i also block (on torrent ports only of course) all known ip ranges from the country i live in – just in case – cause my connection is decent enough to use foreign connections only.

Oh, and just so we’re clear, remind me of those AntiP2P companies you’re blocking? Bittorrent Inc./µTorrent, ESET antivirus update servers, GoDaddy’s email server, the German Chaos Computer Club – I could go on and on…

and i could counter all those by a massive list of actual anti-p2p companies we are actually blocking – guess i’d win that argument by 1000:1 ;) (beside that utorrent shoud be blocked .. involvement with any p2p company should be punished)

(no native speaker so there might be shtload of speeling mistakes, grammar etc ..)

I have seen servers that have been raided by the fbi and police show up on the logs. Why those servers are still online and why they are connecting is ? Ben Jones, perhaps you would like to explain how it is better to connect to those raided servers and how it is better to connect to them than not too?

It all depends on WHAT you’re blocking.

If the IPs you block are almost all not the ‘logging’ IPs, and the ones that are doing the logging are intentionally (or maybe not intentionally) not on the list, you end up with a greater chance of connecting to a logging IP. And let’s remember, there’s absolutely NO way to tell if an IP is logging you for later ‘pre-settlement letter’. It’s not as if it does anything differently.

In fact, it can be fairly easy to identify those using the lists. Just try and connect to IPs on a torrent from two different systems; one on a blocklisted IP, and the other on a non-blocklisted IP. If you can connect to it with the non-listed one, but can’t with the listed one, it’s probably running the list.

It’s not rocket-science, nor is it exactly unknown – it’s been common knowledge with anti-p2p companies for years. Blocklists don’t work, and have never worked, except to identify the stupid filesharer, that thinks they’re being protected.

Oh, and just so we’re clear, remind me of those AntiP2P companies you’re blocking? Bittorrent Inc./µTorrent, ESET antivirus update servers, GoDaddy’s email server, the German Chaos Computer Club – I could go on and on…

agree :) and he should really explaint how you increase your risk with blocking ip’s ;)

That’s without a doubt the most irresponsible post Ben Jones has ever made.

Every independent test has found them ineffective as best, and actually INCREASING risk at worst. There’s a reason why every competent authority related to bittorrent recommends AGAINST using blocklists.

The title is misleading, this new site is ripping off the idea of an old site. This is not really something that should be written about, especially since the owner is asking users in these comments for advice???