Comments on: The Fight Against Copyright Enforcement & The Fight For Civil Liberties Are The Same

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:03:00 +0000

By: Asdf

Asdf — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:14:00 +0000

Ahem, to conclude.

“If somebody posts a file saying it’s microsoft office 2012 for example, and it gives public information that it is in fact microsoft office 2012 and how to install and so can you still use free speech and privacy as a defense ?”

No, you can’t.

By: Asdf

Asdf — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:13:00 +0000

Well, let me see if I can put this in perspective for you. I’ll compare your example of sharing MSOffice publicly with taking all your clothes off in public. Both things are illegal. Taking all your clothes off in the privacy of wherever, however is not illegal. On the other hand, sharing MSOffice privately with your friend IS illegal. So while nobody would care about putting cameras in everyone’s bathrooms to see if they’re naked or not, since the act of being naked itself isn’t illegal, the copyright lawyers want to pass laws putting wiretaps in everyone’s connections to see if they’re sharing MSOffice with their friends, family, etc privately, because as they made it, sharing it is illegal.

To add another dimension to the problem, consider that all of a sudden being naked is illegal. Even then, anyone sensible would not want cameras in their bathrooms to film them while they’re taking a poop, masturbating or whatever, while fully clothed. So would anyone sensible not want wiretaps in their Internet connections to monitor everything they do.

By: Ian Cailliau

Ian Cailliau — Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:54:00 +0000

That isn’t really what I was trying to say. Let me elaborate. My point was that the cases you described were instances were somebody meant to communicate something to somebody else without being forced to communicate it to the whole world. To force the second, is a breach of privacy correct ? Which is why reading emails is ridiculous. But that’s not what I was referring to. With the Pirate bay you have people proudly asserting to the whole world that what they are uploading is illegal and they don’t care. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it should be illegal on the contrary. I am in favor of pirate bay and I think the corps should just man up and adjust to the situation. But that is not the point, you cannot say it’s a breach of privacy anymore in these concrete situations. If somebody posts a file saying it’s microsoft office 2012 for example, and it gives public information that it is in fact microsoft office 2012 and how to install and so can you still use free speech and privacy as a defense ? That is my question, and I don’t think it has anything to do with how easy it would be. Again I’m a pirate myself, I don’t think they should be taken down. But that’s an ideological view, if you *can* logically tie it to free speech your case is a hundred times stronger.

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By: gringostar

gringostar — Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:25:00 +0000

Plz commend/praise/up Mr. Falkvinge for making it about the bigger issues, and for hosting one of the most civil (and globally-minded) threads I’ve ever seen on this topic. Kudos all. I know my own comment, early on, was at least American-ist. Plz frgv. But I, personally, can afford my food. And I, personally, want to be rich and famous. And I believe the music I produce is worth hearing. And absent your approval, TF, you make me money….debate that.