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		<title>By: lakshita</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-374130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lakshita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 04:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you dont know how to write rubbish !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you dont know how to write rubbish !</p>
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		<title>By: Viitorul bittorrentului &#187; L3ST.com</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-273671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Viitorul bittorrentului &#187; L3ST.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] tot ne intrebam ce va urma: Hydra Project. Eu personal as sta in closed beta pana as fii 100% sigur ca nu fuge vreun bou cu baza de date. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tot ne intrebam ce va urma: Hydra Project. Eu personal as sta in closed beta pana as fii 100% sigur ca nu fuge vreun bou cu baza de date. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seeder</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-234637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seeder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[im a programmer over at seedmonster.com, i will definitly discuss this with the staff. Sounds like a cool project.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im a programmer over at seedmonster.com, i will definitly discuss this with the staff. Sounds like a cool project.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Kzolzian</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-231867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Kzolzian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;230217&quot;]Again, why not co-operate with David &amp; Co from randpeer.com, and make it the best thing ever. Shanti, this is for you:
http://www.pjort.com/randpeer/backgr.html

Try not to flood the world with attempts at things, be VERY certain it WILL actually be safer than anything else.

And those nagging about it being prone to kiddy porn and such, get a clue: THEN DON&#039;T DOWNLOAD IT. You&#039;re barking up the wrong tree and scared of the wrong groups of people. The ones that want to hide their identity in order to exchange forbidden data will NEVER be discouraged or encouraged by any new peering technology like this.[/quote]

Hell, judging by the ease with which the mafIAA has penetrated the bitTorrent network [we may as well be transparent:], and yet the continued presence of pedo rings online [with their heavy funding from organized crime], I would think they use a radically different p2p approach than bitTorrent, or they would be caught by now!

almost makes ya wish there were big funding behind greyhat issues too....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="230217"]Again, why not co-operate with David &amp; Co from randpeer.com, and make it the best thing ever. Shanti, this is for you:<br />
<a href="http://www.pjort.com/randpeer/backgr.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pjort.com/randpeer/backgr.html</a></p>
<p>Try not to flood the world with attempts at things, be VERY certain it WILL actually be safer than anything else.</p>
<p>And those nagging about it being prone to kiddy porn and such, get a clue: THEN DON&#8217;T DOWNLOAD IT. You&#8217;re barking up the wrong tree and scared of the wrong groups of people. The ones that want to hide their identity in order to exchange forbidden data will NEVER be discouraged or encouraged by any new peering technology like this.[/quote]</p>
<p>Hell, judging by the ease with which the mafIAA has penetrated the bitTorrent network [we may as well be transparent:], and yet the continued presence of pedo rings online [with their heavy funding from organized crime], I would think they use a radically different p2p approach than bitTorrent, or they would be caught by now!</p>
<p>almost makes ya wish there were big funding behind greyhat issues too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed Azinah</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-231861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mohammed Azinah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;230140&quot;]Centralizing is not good, adding extra compelxity isnt either, the old chaotic pirate cell approach is much better.

Trackers can use encrypted disks.

Tracking tables already are memtables.[/quote]

  Correct; centralizing power is always a bad idea; but the only way to efficiently have decentralized power is to have global communications and inter-personal/entity/community relations.  This only happens with communications, with communications that are &quot;centralized&quot; in the sense that they are global, and all individuals and communities can access the communications network.

  So yes, centralizing power is bad (ie, cenralizing all tracking lists onto one site); but globalizing tracker communications (ie, giving each shared file a list of failsafe trackers)?  That&#039;s just smart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="230140"]Centralizing is not good, adding extra compelxity isnt either, the old chaotic pirate cell approach is much better.</p>
<p>Trackers can use encrypted disks.</p>
<p>Tracking tables already are memtables.[/quote]</p>
<p>  Correct; centralizing power is always a bad idea; but the only way to efficiently have decentralized power is to have global communications and inter-personal/entity/community relations.  This only happens with communications, with communications that are &#8220;centralized&#8221; in the sense that they are global, and all individuals and communities can access the communications network.</p>
<p>  So yes, centralizing power is bad (ie, cenralizing all tracking lists onto one site); but globalizing tracker communications (ie, giving each shared file a list of failsafe trackers)?  That&#8217;s just smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Azule Fooosh!</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-231857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Azule Fooosh!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;229872&quot;]Sounds exactly like what&#039;s needed for the bittorrent community. Hopefully this isn&#039;t just a flash in the pan and it turns out to be The Next Big Thing.[/quote]


Are you kidding?  If this actually comes out, it&#039;ll be the biggest thing since header/protocol obfuscation debuted 2-3 years ago!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="229872"]Sounds exactly like what&#8217;s needed for the bittorrent community. Hopefully this isn&#8217;t just a flash in the pan and it turns out to be The Next Big Thing.[/quote]</p>
<p>Are you kidding?  If this actually comes out, it&#8217;ll be the biggest thing since header/protocol obfuscation debuted 2-3 years ago!</p>
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		<title>By: ZtZ</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-231045</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZtZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[69: Oh thats right, You failed to mention, I don&#039;t know, It has no hope of providing anonymity in any sort of degree, I downloaded the source and it wasn&#039;t even complete. Secondly, You erroneously make the statement that Trackers provide some sort of intrinsic performance enhancement, Trackers are used in order to get around the problems of decentralized systems of Searching and Distributed Hash tables, Which is why if you are using Azureus (or uTorrent, Though it provides a slightly inferior implementation of DHT {{Distributed Hash Table}}) You will never get as many sources as you would with just a tracker.

Of course, I haven&#039;t even BEGAN to touch on the problems of sending the  public/private key along with encryption data, Which, Might I add, Doesn&#039;t even make sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>69: Oh thats right, You failed to mention, I don&#8217;t know, It has no hope of providing anonymity in any sort of degree, I downloaded the source and it wasn&#8217;t even complete. Secondly, You erroneously make the statement that Trackers provide some sort of intrinsic performance enhancement, Trackers are used in order to get around the problems of decentralized systems of Searching and Distributed Hash tables, Which is why if you are using Azureus (or uTorrent, Though it provides a slightly inferior implementation of DHT {{Distributed Hash Table}}) You will never get as many sources as you would with just a tracker.</p>
<p>Of course, I haven&#8217;t even BEGAN to touch on the problems of sending the  public/private key along with encryption data, Which, Might I add, Doesn&#8217;t even make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-230831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for the future of p2p I&#039;m not entirely convinced it will be online.  Once 2TB HD&#039;s are commercial &amp; portable HD&#039;s reach 200GB I would imagine piracy would revert back to the classic &#039;tape sharing&#039;, with 2 results - less network congestion &amp; more security.  It&#039;s certainly how I would envisage my own use going.

The majority of the problems seen in America is due to the rampant business nature of the economy.  Music exec&#039;s have to be seen to do something about the p2p problem or else they&#039;ll be fired for incompetency, up steps the lawyers &quot;hey guys! we&#039;ll take the problem away for you! no win, no fee!&quot; and here we arive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the future of p2p I&#8217;m not entirely convinced it will be online.  Once 2TB HD&#8217;s are commercial &amp; portable HD&#8217;s reach 200GB I would imagine piracy would revert back to the classic &#8216;tape sharing&#8217;, with 2 results &#8211; less network congestion &amp; more security.  It&#8217;s certainly how I would envisage my own use going.</p>
<p>The majority of the problems seen in America is due to the rampant business nature of the economy.  Music exec&#8217;s have to be seen to do something about the p2p problem or else they&#8217;ll be fired for incompetency, up steps the lawyers &#8220;hey guys! we&#8217;ll take the problem away for you! no win, no fee!&#8221; and here we arive.</p>
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		<title>By: Snape</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-230771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First off, Ernesto - thanks for shedding more light on the project. I&#039;ll definitely get my act in gear and finish up the proof of concept in RoR.

To answer a few of the questions from the comments:

* All sites in each &quot;federation&quot; or whatever you want to call it, have to trust each other. This is left up to the torrent admins who want to try running a script like this. If they believe that they can trust one another, then they add each other (including the passkeys, domain names, etc) to the list of trusted sites in the network. If you trust someone who happens to work for the MPAA, well, you must not know your friend / fello admin that well, and I don&#039;t know of a way to get around this threat, really.

* There can be multiple (any X number) of federations. i.e. as from the example, you can have &quot;bacon.org, eggs.com, ham.net, etc&quot; in one federation, sharing torrent / user data. Then another group of admins, with completely separate torrents and data, can get together, and perhaps have a different focus on their content (music, instead of video, for example). This separate network would operate on their own domain names, e.g. fido.net, shaggy.com, lassie.org, whatever.

* It *is* indeed true that if every single one of the sites gets raided at the same time, the entire network will crumble. It&#039;s easy to make backups, but if the network has lost control of all domain names, then the .torrent files people have downloaded will simply no longer work. Having servers in Sweden, China, South America, etc (one &quot;head&quot; of the Hydra in each) may well be a good idea for the truly paranoid.

If you want to hack on code (RoR, PHP or python), drop me a line at: shantibraford (at) gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Ernesto &#8211; thanks for shedding more light on the project. I&#8217;ll definitely get my act in gear and finish up the proof of concept in RoR.</p>
<p>To answer a few of the questions from the comments:</p>
<p>* All sites in each &#8220;federation&#8221; or whatever you want to call it, have to trust each other. This is left up to the torrent admins who want to try running a script like this. If they believe that they can trust one another, then they add each other (including the passkeys, domain names, etc) to the list of trusted sites in the network. If you trust someone who happens to work for the MPAA, well, you must not know your friend / fello admin that well, and I don&#8217;t know of a way to get around this threat, really.</p>
<p>* There can be multiple (any X number) of federations. i.e. as from the example, you can have &#8220;bacon.org, eggs.com, ham.net, etc&#8221; in one federation, sharing torrent / user data. Then another group of admins, with completely separate torrents and data, can get together, and perhaps have a different focus on their content (music, instead of video, for example). This separate network would operate on their own domain names, e.g. fido.net, shaggy.com, lassie.org, whatever.</p>
<p>* It *is* indeed true that if every single one of the sites gets raided at the same time, the entire network will crumble. It&#8217;s easy to make backups, but if the network has lost control of all domain names, then the .torrent files people have downloaded will simply no longer work. Having servers in Sweden, China, South America, etc (one &#8220;head&#8221; of the Hydra in each) may well be a good idea for the truly paranoid.</p>
<p>If you want to hack on code (RoR, PHP or python), drop me a line at: shantibraford (at) gmail.com</p>
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		<title>By: umonkey</title>
		<link>/the-hydra-project-071203/#comment-230589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[umonkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t this just raise more questions, if the thing is meant to be global?  Who controls the OpenID server, who controls the ratio?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t this just raise more questions, if the thing is meant to be global?  Who controls the OpenID server, who controls the ratio?</p>
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