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		<title>By: Anti-Chris</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-236613</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris_B:

Ignorance would be calling it stealing if someone took a picture of a painting you made and put it on their own wall, or memorized your poem and recited it in public.

Your work cannot be stolen, unless it is of such &quot;common nature&quot; that no-one would know you made it if your name wasn&#039;t at the &quot;work of art&quot; itself.

Real expressions are made to influence the world, and the best way of reaching an audience is not to hunt down those who did not pay you in cash for the experience.

I&#039;m curious, how did you receive &quot;personal impact&quot; from someone stealing your work?

Sorry for raging, but found this page when searching for something else, and got pissed off, even if it&#039;s and old discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris_B:</p>
<p>Ignorance would be calling it stealing if someone took a picture of a painting you made and put it on their own wall, or memorized your poem and recited it in public.</p>
<p>Your work cannot be stolen, unless it is of such &#8220;common nature&#8221; that no-one would know you made it if your name wasn&#8217;t at the &#8220;work of art&#8221; itself.</p>
<p>Real expressions are made to influence the world, and the best way of reaching an audience is not to hunt down those who did not pay you in cash for the experience.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious, how did you receive &#8220;personal impact&#8221; from someone stealing your work?</p>
<p>Sorry for raging, but found this page when searching for something else, and got pissed off, even if it&#8217;s and old discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: pcsgeefziz</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-120138</link>
		<dc:creator>pcsgeefziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! Good Site! Thanks you! emrizkwzej</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! Good Site! Thanks you! emrizkwzej</p>
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		<title>By: Chris_B</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16188</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheer ignorance put forth by someone who has probably never tried to earn a penny from their own creations and certainly has never had personal impact from others stealing your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheer ignorance put forth by someone who has probably never tried to earn a penny from their own creations and certainly has never had personal impact from others stealing your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16115</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It means we all want the same thing. And what the hell is ballentine... it&#039;s a venn diagram.

And as always, the RIAA, like any other cartel, is queer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It means we all want the same thing. And what the hell is ballentine&#8230; it&#8217;s a venn diagram.</p>
<p>And as always, the RIAA, like any other cartel, is queer.</p>
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		<title>By: foolsh</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16099</link>
		<dc:creator>foolsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nimbus  &quot;sudo-Inteligent&quot;
Isn&#039;t that a linux command?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nimbus  &#8220;sudo-Inteligent&#8221;<br />
Isn&#8217;t that a linux command?</p>
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		<title>By: just mike.</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16097</link>
		<dc:creator>just mike.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let there be peace :D

I think that this is about who we are... We&#039;ve been hearing about three different groups &quot;pirates&quot;, &quot;customers&quot; and &quot;artists&quot; in phrases like &quot;Because unlawful customers buy from pirates, the artists holding CR to those materials receive squat&quot;

What I think this represent is that most of us fall into the three categories at the same time. We ARE pirates, we ARE customers and we ARE artists.

Think about it, have you ever downloaded an MP3 or movie with CR content?
Have you ever bought a CD or DVD thus paying to the rightfull artist?
Have you ever produced something that was evenentually copied/pirated?

I know I fall into the three... if you&#039;ve only done two of the past, then you are in the middle brownish area, if you only done one, then you are a pure Blue, Red or Green, and in my opinion a FREAK OF NATURE!

Please forgive my spelling, English is not my mother tongue.

Have a good one,

mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let there be peace :D</p>
<p>I think that this is about who we are&#8230; We&#8217;ve been hearing about three different groups &#8220;pirates&#8221;, &#8220;customers&#8221; and &#8220;artists&#8221; in phrases like &#8220;Because unlawful customers buy from pirates, the artists holding CR to those materials receive squat&#8221;</p>
<p>What I think this represent is that most of us fall into the three categories at the same time. We ARE pirates, we ARE customers and we ARE artists.</p>
<p>Think about it, have you ever downloaded an MP3 or movie with CR content?<br />
Have you ever bought a CD or DVD thus paying to the rightfull artist?<br />
Have you ever produced something that was evenentually copied/pirated?</p>
<p>I know I fall into the three&#8230; if you&#8217;ve only done two of the past, then you are in the middle brownish area, if you only done one, then you are a pure Blue, Red or Green, and in my opinion a FREAK OF NATURE!</p>
<p>Please forgive my spelling, English is not my mother tongue.</p>
<p>Have a good one,</p>
<p>mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Joe</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16062</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this one brighties... Content cartels screw the end users and the artists in response pirates screw the cartels...

In essence the black represents that all of us are both the enemy and the consumer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this one brighties&#8230; Content cartels screw the end users and the artists in response pirates screw the cartels&#8230;</p>
<p>In essence the black represents that all of us are both the enemy and the consumer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16048</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is saying that artists, customers, and pirates are all considered the same, just like the title says.  that&#039;s why they overlap for the most part.  it&#039;s like when we need DRM on digital music downloads because we&#039;re automatically going to pirate it if they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is saying that artists, customers, and pirates are all considered the same, just like the title says.  that&#8217;s why they overlap for the most part.  it&#8217;s like when we need DRM on digital music downloads because we&#8217;re automatically going to pirate it if they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: DissidentPhoneix</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16045</link>
		<dc:creator>DissidentPhoneix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;16018&quot;]
All other content is provided by commercial providers (black). Consequently, the vast majority of content on the net is provided or made available by commercial entities for purely commercial reasons, and is bought and paid for by content users.
[/quote]

Someone doesn&#039;t understand ballentine diagrams...

The black is the shared variance between the three groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="16018"]<br />
All other content is provided by commercial providers (black). Consequently, the vast majority of content on the net is provided or made available by commercial entities for purely commercial reasons, and is bought and paid for by content users.<br />
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<p>Someone doesn&#8217;t understand ballentine diagrams&#8230;</p>
<p>The black is the shared variance between the three groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16027</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, i would say more that it is about how each differnt gropu belongs to the other groups. Rather than seperating them, it shows that a customer can be both a pirate and an artist. Just my thoughts though :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, i would say more that it is about how each differnt gropu belongs to the other groups. Rather than seperating them, it shows that a customer can be both a pirate and an artist. Just my thoughts though :P</p>
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		<title>By: Kakou-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kakou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, Nimbus, I&#039;d use those exact words.  It, indeed, is quite insightful.  And his explanation got the point across perfectly, if you don&#039;t need everything spelled out for you like a three year old.

-kakou

Remember kids, capitalization is the difference between, &quot;I helped my uncle Jack off a horse,&quot; and, &quot;I helped my uncle jack off a horse.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, Nimbus, I&#8217;d use those exact words.  It, indeed, is quite insightful.  And his explanation got the point across perfectly, if you don&#8217;t need everything spelled out for you like a three year old.</p>
<p>-kakou</p>
<p>Remember kids, capitalization is the difference between, &#8220;I helped my uncle Jack off a horse,&#8221; and, &#8220;I helped my uncle jack off a horse.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fnarf</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16024</link>
		<dc:creator>Fnarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one Nimbus! Here, let me explain it to you in language you might understand. 
&lt;b&gt;You&#039;re a jackass.&lt;/b&gt;

As for your spelling prowess? From Hamel: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Hoist with his owne petar&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Run along now while the adults talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one Nimbus! Here, let me explain it to you in language you might understand.<br />
<b>You&#8217;re a jackass.</b></p>
<p>As for your spelling prowess? From Hamel: &#8220;<i>Hoist with his owne petar&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Run along now while the adults talk.</p>
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		<title>By: frog prince</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16023</link>
		<dc:creator>frog prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grasshopper you must understand! I once worked at P&amp;G. In the lobby were 5 painted panels of various colors. I asked why and was told that they were some artists statement and of what they represented. I told the Plant mgr. what a bunch of crap that was, he told me that they had paid $250,000 for the crap. All I could say was &quot;I&#039;m sorry&quot;, he said &quot;for what?&quot; I said,&quot;you&#039;ll have to decide.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grasshopper you must understand! I once worked at P&amp;G. In the lobby were 5 painted panels of various colors. I asked why and was told that they were some artists statement and of what they represented. I told the Plant mgr. what a bunch of crap that was, he told me that they had paid $250,000 for the crap. All I could say was &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry&#8221;, he said &#8220;for what?&#8221; I said,&#8221;you&#8217;ll have to decide.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Artists, customers, pirates&#8230; they&#8217;re all the same &#171; Digged Stories</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16021</link>
		<dc:creator>Artists, customers, pirates&#8230; they&#8217;re all the same &#171; Digged Stories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gordon</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16020</link>
		<dc:creator>gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Nimbus is the only insecure one here.  Kinda ironic how he can&#039;t spell pseudo-intelligent properly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Nimbus is the only insecure one here.  Kinda ironic how he can&#8217;t spell pseudo-intelligent properly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nimbus</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16019</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WiseWeasel nice choice of words.  You&#039;re so pretentios. 

 &quot;I&#039;d have to agree that this graphic is quite insightful.&quot;

Who the fuck in the 21st century says shit like that.  Who are you trying to impress.  I mean look at you Name.  WiseWeasel.  I wonder are you insecure about you inteligence.  Even with your explanation you still haven&#039;t explained what everyone wants to know.  All you had to say was everyone is in it because of money.  Customer:  They spend on buying the Product (music, Movies).  Artist:  They want to make money from the Product they produce.  Pirates:  they want to save or make money from the Product.  Wasn&#039;t that so easy you sudo-Inteligent Cock Sucker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WiseWeasel nice choice of words.  You&#8217;re so pretentios. </p>
<p> &#8220;I&#8217;d have to agree that this graphic is quite insightful.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who the fuck in the 21st century says shit like that.  Who are you trying to impress.  I mean look at you Name.  WiseWeasel.  I wonder are you insecure about you inteligence.  Even with your explanation you still haven&#8217;t explained what everyone wants to know.  All you had to say was everyone is in it because of money.  Customer:  They spend on buying the Product (music, Movies).  Artist:  They want to make money from the Product they produce.  Pirates:  they want to save or make money from the Product.  Wasn&#8217;t that so easy you sudo-Inteligent Cock Sucker!</p>
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		<title>By: 0null0</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16018</link>
		<dc:creator>0null0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the diagram says that, of the entire market or availability of, or for, content on the &#039;net, which is represented by the totality of all the colors, 

1. pirates (blue) represent a small percentage of that total by selling or providing content they do not own, 

2. artists (green) represent another (smaller yet?) percentage, providing content they *do* own, and 

3. whatever is meant by &#039;customers&#039; (red) represent another percentage (although I can&#039;t quite decipher what is meant by a &#039;customer&#039; in this context. What content is being provided by customers, unless this diagram alludes to, say, reviews, critiques, and/or personal web content). 

All other content is provided by commercial providers (black). Consequently, the vast majority of content on the net is provided or made available by commercial entities for purely commercial reasons, and is bought and paid for by content users. 

The minimalist commentary is that commercial providers are generally working very hard to create overpriced content cartels for the purposes of price-fixing, much like the middle east oil cartels, the tax cartels (read: local, state and fed governments), and various other cartels.

*sigh*

It&#039;s *so* easy to identify who&#039;ll be up against the wall when the revolution comes...

...and me a l&#039;il ol&#039; conservative...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the diagram says that, of the entire market or availability of, or for, content on the &#8216;net, which is represented by the totality of all the colors, </p>
<p>1. pirates (blue) represent a small percentage of that total by selling or providing content they do not own, </p>
<p>2. artists (green) represent another (smaller yet?) percentage, providing content they *do* own, and </p>
<p>3. whatever is meant by &#8216;customers&#8217; (red) represent another percentage (although I can&#8217;t quite decipher what is meant by a &#8216;customer&#8217; in this context. What content is being provided by customers, unless this diagram alludes to, say, reviews, critiques, and/or personal web content). </p>
<p>All other content is provided by commercial providers (black). Consequently, the vast majority of content on the net is provided or made available by commercial entities for purely commercial reasons, and is bought and paid for by content users. </p>
<p>The minimalist commentary is that commercial providers are generally working very hard to create overpriced content cartels for the purposes of price-fixing, much like the middle east oil cartels, the tax cartels (read: local, state and fed governments), and various other cartels.</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>It&#8217;s *so* easy to identify who&#8217;ll be up against the wall when the revolution comes&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and me a l&#8217;il ol&#8217; conservative&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WiseWeasel</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16014</link>
		<dc:creator>WiseWeasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The graphic is saying that the artist, &quot;pirate&quot; and customer market bases are mostly overlapping. The dark section in the middle is where all three markets overlap. I&#039;d have to agree that this graphic is quite insightful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The graphic is saying that the artist, &#8220;pirate&#8221; and customer market bases are mostly overlapping. The dark section in the middle is where all three markets overlap. I&#8217;d have to agree that this graphic is quite insightful.</p>
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		<title>By: Platypus</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-16003</link>
		<dc:creator>Platypus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy shit Steve, i was going to say those exact words. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy shit Steve, i was going to say those exact words. :D</p>
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		<title>By: ah</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/the-market-20/#comment-15982</link>
		<dc:creator>ah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ghehe, seems to be right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ghehe, seems to be right</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont get it....</description>
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