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		<title>By: Nigramancer</title>
		<link>/the-morals-of-grabbing-free-content-from-the-web-130706/#comment-1142454</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2013 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the always pointless argument that “copying is not stealing” evades a larger constitutional point that “the right to copy” is protected and to copy is to steal that right away from the rightsholder.



...wait, wat]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the always pointless argument that “copying is not stealing” evades a larger constitutional point that “the right to copy” is protected and to copy is to steal that right away from the rightsholder.</p>
<p>&#8230;wait, wat</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>/the-morals-of-grabbing-free-content-from-the-web-130706/#comment-1120656</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Sigh) Thanks for ignoring pretty much everything I argued.


In any case, the bottom line is this: if we&#039;re here by accident, then human life is inherently meaningless, and therefore amoral.  Therefore you have zero grounds for becoming indignant over anything you view as &quot;wrong.&quot;


Pick one thing in our world that gets you up upset, and tell me why you believe it&#039;s &quot;wrong.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sigh) Thanks for ignoring pretty much everything I argued.</p>
<p>In any case, the bottom line is this: if we&#8217;re here by accident, then human life is inherently meaningless, and therefore amoral.  Therefore you have zero grounds for becoming indignant over anything you view as &#8220;wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pick one thing in our world that gets you up upset, and tell me why you believe it&#8217;s &#8220;wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andureal</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matza and Sykes&#039;s theories were focused on a study of the guilty.  They presuppose that all individuals who are examining their behavior for morality are doing so because they have inherently done something wrong. IE they are guilty and trying to justify themselves.  Suppose then you examine the moral foundation for why you go to church? Are you then guilty because you question your morality? No, Matza and Sykes do make valid suppositions that justifications tend to come in limited forms, they do not address when a justification moves from a personal excuse to the truth of a movement or even an idea held as fact by the masses.  In Matza and Sykes&#039;s argument all people that justify are automatically doing so because of personal guilt.  The Manufacturer in your anecdote is using Matza and Sykes as an appeal to a higher authority as to why pirates are wrong, in his own argument he is using a justification which by his argument makes him inherently guilty in his own mind.  Thus is the flaw in Matza and Sykes&#039;s studies, everyone justifies but not everyone is in the wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matza and Sykes&#8217;s theories were focused on a study of the guilty.  They presuppose that all individuals who are examining their behavior for morality are doing so because they have inherently done something wrong. IE they are guilty and trying to justify themselves.  Suppose then you examine the moral foundation for why you go to church? Are you then guilty because you question your morality? No, Matza and Sykes do make valid suppositions that justifications tend to come in limited forms, they do not address when a justification moves from a personal excuse to the truth of a movement or even an idea held as fact by the masses.  In Matza and Sykes&#8217;s argument all people that justify are automatically doing so because of personal guilt.  The Manufacturer in your anecdote is using Matza and Sykes as an appeal to a higher authority as to why pirates are wrong, in his own argument he is using a justification which by his argument makes him inherently guilty in his own mind.  Thus is the flaw in Matza and Sykes&#8217;s studies, everyone justifies but not everyone is in the wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Andureal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andureal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The legal precedent for copyright law is in the constitution but it&#039;s definition explicitly states to secure for limited time and was directed at the growth of the economy. Copyright law today lasts longer than a lifetime and insures the economy stays exclusively in the hands of existing entities with little or no economic growth, a bubble being prevented from bursting by lobbyists.  I&#039;ll argue that lobby groups working on behalf of a select few, with monetary sources exceeding the collective worth of the majority will inherently subvert the democratic process.  That&#039;s how we have gotten to the point we are.

More over before the Constitution there was a declaration and that declaration sums up the purpose of what you call whining.
  
&quot;...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the 
same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it
 is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to 
provide new Guards for their future security.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The legal precedent for copyright law is in the constitution but it&#8217;s definition explicitly states to secure for limited time and was directed at the growth of the economy. Copyright law today lasts longer than a lifetime and insures the economy stays exclusively in the hands of existing entities with little or no economic growth, a bubble being prevented from bursting by lobbyists.  I&#8217;ll argue that lobby groups working on behalf of a select few, with monetary sources exceeding the collective worth of the majority will inherently subvert the democratic process.  That&#8217;s how we have gotten to the point we are.</p>
<p>More over before the Constitution there was a declaration and that declaration sums up the purpose of what you call whining.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the<br />
same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it<br />
 is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to<br />
provide new Guards for their future security.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tongku04</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Spratt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Spratt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reality is always interpreted within parentheses.  Governments are set up to protect wealth.  The idea that one has the right to earn as much money as one can is both obscene and dysfunctional.  Obscene because it generates class systems, and dysfunctional because it creates dangerous accumulations of wealth, as the recent &quot;to big to fail&quot; rationale used to transfer trillions of dollars to corporations and individuals caught up in ponzi schemes baited with credit swaps and derivatives demonstrated.   Invoking childish moral imperatives against one class (the file sharers) while ignoring the corruption that characterizes the actions of the mogul class (bribery, piracy, blackmail, and corruption of electoral processes, legislative bodies and legal systems) doesn&#039;t seem to me to be a moral system worth defending.  A person&#039;s moral actions are not dependent upon such Hegelian nonsense; actions are moral of immoral depending upon their effects of the system as a whole.  Seen in this light, p2p file sharing has no significant impact on moral status of any country except perhaps to even things out a bit.  As Lenny Bruce said&quot; &quot;petty theft in an atmosphere of grand theft is not a crime, it&#039;s merely conformity.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality is always interpreted within parentheses.  Governments are set up to protect wealth.  The idea that one has the right to earn as much money as one can is both obscene and dysfunctional.  Obscene because it generates class systems, and dysfunctional because it creates dangerous accumulations of wealth, as the recent &#8220;to big to fail&#8221; rationale used to transfer trillions of dollars to corporations and individuals caught up in ponzi schemes baited with credit swaps and derivatives demonstrated.   Invoking childish moral imperatives against one class (the file sharers) while ignoring the corruption that characterizes the actions of the mogul class (bribery, piracy, blackmail, and corruption of electoral processes, legislative bodies and legal systems) doesn&#8217;t seem to me to be a moral system worth defending.  A person&#8217;s moral actions are not dependent upon such Hegelian nonsense; actions are moral of immoral depending upon their effects of the system as a whole.  Seen in this light, p2p file sharing has no significant impact on moral status of any country except perhaps to even things out a bit.  As Lenny Bruce said&#8221; &#8220;petty theft in an atmosphere of grand theft is not a crime, it&#8217;s merely conformity.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;some people are in tight situations from various world locations..people often forget this and brand leechers as evil &lt;/b&gt;


Or you could live in eastern Canada and be stuck with the lowest caps and highest overages in the modern world and thus be largely incapable of meaningful seeding without destroying your wallet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>some people are in tight situations from various world locations..people often forget this and brand leechers as evil </b></p>
<p>Or you could live in eastern Canada and be stuck with the lowest caps and highest overages in the modern world and thus be largely incapable of meaningful seeding without destroying your wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: zarathustra2k1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please don&#039;t conflate Bilderberg with conspiracy theories. The Bilderberg Group&#039;s existence is factual - do some checking.

As for the NWO, well you may find this edifying (all checked for veracity):

Famous Quotes about Government &amp; Banking Control and the New World Order

The following is a four page list of quotes by famous individuals that reflect their knowledge of Government, Banking, Military, and Media control - or otherwise known as the &quot;New World Order.&quot;

&quot;The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.&quot;
- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House

“If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”
- Andrew Jackson

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”
- Abraham Lincoln

We can&#039;t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.&quot;
- Bill Clinton, USA Today on 3/11/93, page 2a

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
- Henry Ford

&quot;Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.&quot;
- Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference in Evians, France, 1991

&quot;The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.&quot;
- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that&#039;s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405

&quot;It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it.&quot; - H.G. Wells, in his book, “The New World Order”, 1940

“Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again... If you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.”
- Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, 1940.

&quot;We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.&quot;
- David Rockefeller

&quot;We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.&quot;
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany

&quot;The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it&#039;s profits or so dependent on it&#039;s favors, that there will be no opposition from that class.&quot; - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
“Give me control of a nation&#039;s money and I care not who makes it&#039;s laws.&quot;
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.” –
Abraham Lincoln - In a letter written to William Elkin

&quot;In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn&#039;t such a great idea after all.&quot;
- Strobe Talbot, President Clinton&#039;s Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, l992]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t conflate Bilderberg with conspiracy theories. The Bilderberg Group&#8217;s existence is factual &#8211; do some checking.</p>
<p>As for the NWO, well you may find this edifying (all checked for veracity):</p>
<p>Famous Quotes about Government &amp; Banking Control and the New World Order</p>
<p>The following is a four page list of quotes by famous individuals that reflect their knowledge of Government, Banking, Military, and Media control &#8211; or otherwise known as the &#8220;New World Order.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.&#8221;<br />
- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House</p>
<p>“If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”<br />
- Andrew Jackson</p>
<p>“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”<br />
- Abraham Lincoln</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.&#8221;<br />
- Bill Clinton, USA Today on 3/11/93, page 2a</p>
<p>“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”<br />
- Henry Ford</p>
<p>&#8220;Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.&#8221;<br />
- Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference in Evians, France, 1991</p>
<p>&#8220;The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control&#8230;. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.&#8221;<br />
- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets</p>
<p>“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that&#8217;s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”<br />
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go&#8230;.We are living in the end of the sovereign states&#8230;.In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish&#8230;.Countless people&#8230;will hate the new world order&#8230;.and will die protesting against it.&#8221; &#8211; H.G. Wells, in his book, “The New World Order”, 1940</p>
<p>“Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again&#8230; If you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.”<br />
- Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, 1940.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.&#8221;<br />
- David Rockefeller</p>
<p>&#8220;We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years&#8230; It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.&#8221;<br />
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany</p>
<p>&#8220;The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it&#8217;s profits or so dependent on it&#8217;s favors, that there will be no opposition from that class.&#8221; &#8211; Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild<br />
“Give me control of a nation&#8217;s money and I care not who makes it&#8217;s laws.&#8221;<br />
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild</p>
<p>“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.” –<br />
Abraham Lincoln &#8211; In a letter written to William Elkin</p>
<p>&#8220;In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn&#8217;t such a great idea after all.&#8221;<br />
- Strobe Talbot, President Clinton&#8217;s Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, l992</p>
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		<title>By: zarathustra2k1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an utter basketcase. Go peddle your &#039;21st Century is b0rked due to lack of tougher laws&#039; to the christians &amp; the Daily Mail readers, knobfail. No one else is credulous enough to believe your hair-pulling lamentations.


&quot;It was SO much better in the 50s...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an utter basketcase. Go peddle your &#8217;21st Century is b0rked due to lack of tougher laws&#8217; to the christians &amp; the Daily Mail readers, knobfail. No one else is credulous enough to believe your hair-pulling lamentations.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was SO much better in the 50s&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: zarathustra2k1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zarathustra2k1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s nothing &#039;posh&#039; about correct grammar/composition. Some of the best-educated folk out there went to comprehensives.


Also, it&#039;s &#039;piss off&#039;, not &#039;piss of&#039;.


HTH]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing &#8216;posh&#8217; about correct grammar/composition. Some of the best-educated folk out there went to comprehensives.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s &#8216;piss off&#8217;, not &#8216;piss of&#8217;.</p>
<p>HTH</p>
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