Too Legit To Quit: 124.2m Legal BitTorrent Music Downloads in 2012

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September 22, 2012
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Earlier this week, file-sharing related news was dominated by a set of stats compiled by Musicmetric. The company said that in the first six months of 2012 it monitored 405 million music releases downloaded using BitTorrent. But while huge piracy levels are regularly touted by recording labels, completely legal BitTorrent downloads are growing at an impressive rate. In the first half of the year at least 124 million licensed and legal downloads were enabled by BitTorrent Inc.

On Monday, Musicmetric – a data and analytics company that maps the trends and preferences of music fans around the world – published its first Digital Music Index.

Musicmetric revealed that their BitTorrent monitoring, which spanned the first of half of 2012, covered a total 750,000 recording artists. During that six month period they logged a total of 405 million music release downloads.

Now, as regular readers will note, every week and in annual roundups TorrentFreak produces two charts (three if we include our games chart), one for the world’s most downloaded movies and the other for TV shows. They rarely, if ever, contain authorized material.

But interestingly, Musicmetric’s analysis shows that in music things are quite different. Not only did legal music make an appearance, but in 5 of the top 20 downloading countries worldwide, dubstep artist Bill Van topped the charts after signing a licensing deal with BitTorrent Inc., the company behind uTorrent.

“[Legal content] has become hugely popular in place of other illegal content in a quarter of the top 20 countries for downloads,” Musicmetric explained.

And today, BitTorrent Inc. points TorrentFreak towards what the company describes as a “fun infographic”, but one with a very serious point. While Musicmetric might have logged 405 million downloads in total, BitTorrent Inc. can claim credit for a significant proportion of them through its licensing work.

During the first half of 2012 BitTorrent Inc’s artist promotions delivered 124,191,863 licensed, legal music downloads. A massive number, which shows that BitTorrent is much more than a tool for pirates.

“What this statistic shows very clearly is there’s a lot of good, legitimate content in the BitTorrent ecosystem that is adding value to the careers of the artists and publishers who decided to release their work using the protocol,” BitTorrent Inc’s Matt Mason told TorrentFreak.

“These are just the BitTorrent Bundles we as a company were seeding ourselves, which are the only things we can track. The total number of times these files were shared worldwide is probably much higher. Whatever that number is, one thing is certain; to say BitTorrent is just for illegal file-sharing is flat-out wrong.”

According to Mason the artist promotions BitTorrent ran have been a great success, and not just because of the impressive download statistic. Artists are eager to work with BitTorrent and see value in sharing their work for free. In the coming months and years BitTorrent Inc. therefore plans to continue and improve their collaboration with artists.

“BitTorrent is quite simply the best way to move large files across the Internet. More and more, the creative industries are coming to understand BitTorrent, and are using it to get their work directly to their fans in ways that makes sense for everyone,” Mason told TorrentFreak.

The 124 million plus downloads is a huge figure and difficult to visualize, so BitTorrent Inc. has chosen to show what 689,955 looks like, the number of licensed music downloads the company facilitates in a single day using uTorrent.

Have fun scrolling, then multiply the time it took by 180 to get an idea of 6 months worth of downloads.

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Anon

Bit torrent is a marvelous technology. It’s so sad that historically it’s been hijacked and tainted by pirates.
- thedude321
  
  If you wanted to know, so called ‘pirates’ are responsible for much of the modernity in communication that you see today. Everything from the printing press to the modern cinema was brought about by these so called ‘pirates’. Even Hollywood has pirate roots.
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    We pirates invented the printing press? Blimey, I thought it was some chinese guy named Lim Ho Gutenberg.
    - Anyone
      
      I think he meant the “illegal” printing of european books in america
      just like hollywood was founded way west to evade Edison’s patents
    - http://twitter.com/AdamSmi58530464 AdamSmith
      
      Carl implied I cannot believe that a mom can earn $4002 in four weeks on the network. have you seen this(Click on menu Home)
    - http://twitter.com/AdamSmi58530464 AdamSmith
      
      …
      goo.gl/f4bQM
    - ZWT
      
      Yo tam/CORE. Respectz.
    - http://twitter.com/LeonCole3 LeonCole
      
      Debra said I am startled that someone able to get paid $6372 in a few weeks on the network. did you look this (Click on menu Home)
    - http://twitter.com/LeonCole3 LeonCole
      
      …
      goo.gl/bsjqU
  - PelouzeTF
    
    Romanticism LOL….progress is made equally swiftly without stealing.
- zephyr
  
  BitTorrent has not been hijacked in any way, it only represents what todays technology can achieve. Failure to utilize this change in our world to continue certain business, it is only failure of that business and not the fault of those who utilize it.
  
  This one example is just beginning of another new, clearly pointing out that utilizing this change means business. Focusing on fighting against the changing world in order to continue old model is slowing development.
  
  “Piracy” itself, when in context of content distribution in very sophisticated manner, only shows what world has changed to. What if I have bought DVD of a movie, but all my DVD drives have broken and I cannot access the content in that DVD… but its still illegal to watch that same movie for free in the internet. Or if my national television broadcasts a movie which I could save in my movie box or old tapes or dvd’s for personal purpose… for example to watch when I can (because it was broadcasted when I was at work) is completely legal. But watching same movie from internet for free after the broadcasting surprisingly makes it illegal. Its all against any logic I can use to think.
  
  Bittorrent technology also has created a method to distribute content with almost no cost, because all costs for it is distributed in all participants own internet costs. Big companies who have failed and keep failing to use this technology to their own advantage are simply too stupid because they could distribute the content for free, they could probably make more profit than using old “boxed” distribution methods or centralized streaming servers.
  
  Piracy never hijacked or tainted anything, they are only creating more reasons for rest of the world to start using this new technology aswell and let the world evolve more from that.
  - chronoss chiron
    
    there is much more one can do with tech like that and im not gonna bother ….its restricted that protocol buy warner brothers and there ownership of bit torrent inc.
    
    end of story ….bram sold out and because of it hollywood has you all and you dont realize it.
    - R-Teest
      
      Just because Warner Bros decided to start using the protocol to distribute films doesn’t mean they ‘have’ us or ‘own’ the protocol in any way. If an indie artist releases some music using the protocol and individuals download it, it has nothing to do with Warner Bros. I think what you’re referencing is the deal Bittorrent were forced to broker with studios (circa 2006) to release DRMd downloads after the Grokster case, but this just means they offered up studio’s content which you could download and unlock for a small fee – this is completely removed from the protocol itself and has had no impact on the millions of artists who release their music for free.
- MadAsASnake
  
  BitTorrent is quite simply technology designed to make best use of network bandwidth for filesharing. It’s used for all sorts of things (including “piracy”). The notable absence here are media distribution (esp hollywood) who choose not to use it. Pretty clearly, cheap and efficient distribution is NOT one of their requirements.
- Guest
  
  Implying there’s anything wrong with piracy, which there isn’t.
  
  “Oh no, it promotes artists and results in more sales! Kill it with fire!”
  
  It’s sad that your brain has been hijacked and tainted by the copyright industry.
  - chronoss chiron
    
    its not piracy its copyright infringement
    piracy is me stealing a physical object by way of a vehicle as in a car/jeep /tank/boat etc.
    
    you could say counterfeiting as your making exact copies but as it actually is an exact copy it isnt really a counterfeit either.
    - Thomas Wrobel
      
      “piracy is me stealing a physical object by way of a vehicle as in a car/jeep /tank/boat etc. ”
      
      So piracy IS theft? I thought everyone was arguing it wasn’t….
    - 7th_Guest
      
      @google-f181f25c5483720dc2c8e4e46710aeca:disqus: Yes, piracy is the removal of property from its rightful owners by way of boarding/hijacking their means of transport and usually through employing life-threatening coercion to do so. If this is what’s surprising to you instead of how in any way, shape or form any of that could be comparable to non-profit, private copyright infringement (that’s never even been conclusively and independently proven to be detrimental to corporate rightsholders’ profits through academic research), there’s probably no point discussing social mores and legislation regarding copyright with you. In case you hadn’t picked up on it, use of the term ‘pirate’ around these parts and this community is largely based on decades-old sarcastic acceptance.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith
  
  haha! …pirate hating cast away. Enjoy your cozy little desert island while the rest of us thrive.
- StupidAnon
  
  Anon you are as stupid as ever …. hijacked …. it was created BY and FOR the people who share ….. the fact that the industry didn’t follow the wave of change and want to send people in jail for sharing is a other story
- Banana
  
  The telephone is even more awesome, too sad its ben used for decades to facilitate all kinds of crime.
  - chronoss chiron
    
    i heard we need to begin liscening hammers cause one was used to beat someone to death….
    OH same with pencils , canes….baseball bats and hockey sticks….
    see a pattern yet?
- Gordons
  
  If the studios had asked the torrent sites to include a “pay 50c for this download if you like it” button, they’d be a hell of a lot better off.
  - chronoss chiron
    
    15 years ago that might a flew on some sites , better would have been to put a donate button and allow hollywood to release to your torrent site. 25% to the site rest to the label/artist….that might a went as far back as 6-7 years….but after all the bad will and such forget it sue till you rall dead. they are nothing more then parasites ( labels) and i blame all the lawyers that are involved.
- chronoss chiron
  
  becareful i have proof that i developed somehitng that was very bit torrent like and had encryption but due to health never finished releasing it….
  the hard drive still works and is in perfect order and as a hacker we developed ten other techs you have never seen….and i’ll add our encryption on stuff is secured.
  
  When we partnered for a time with some pirates we shared a little and bad stuff always happens ( nvm i won’t mention that either but suffice it to say hollywood can make nice flashy stuff but when it comes to making software it isnt pirates making it its a hacker. )
  
  p.s. copyrights and patents in canada exist at time of creation. SO be careful….if ive somehitng in registered mail ( the software and you claim rights you dont have your in deep o do do )
- notasheep
  
  really, i understand the so called “pirates” pretty much invented torrent, so all you living so high in the pretentious clouds think about that next time you feel great about paying your 99c for a single track (of which about 1c goes to the artist) remember you wouldn’t be able to do it if we hadn’t done it our way first. as a pirate and an artist i will say this once, shove it up your ass you ignorant prick
- AntiCorporateTroll
  
  Congratulation! Good monitoring!
  
  How much the corporate criminals pay you for you to post your fake opinion paid troll?
  
  Do you really think that you are fowling anybody?
  
  IDIOT!
http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

Don’t be so freakin’ dumb you 20th Century troll.

We so-called “Pirates” have been telling the content industries (MAFIAA etc) to modernise their business model, offer what we want as customers and we’ll therefore BUY it.

But dinosaurs like you STILL don’t see it, even after the evidence is presented to you. Ah well, feck off and die you dumbass – and take your fellow trolls and dinosaurs with you.
- Liviodoublefang
  
  Amen to that brother.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith
  
  Don’t forget we’ve also taken the initiative to innovate without permission and often at the cost of being ostracized and persecuted… until we crack through the status-quo with stuff like this. Now the same people who like to run around bad mouthing the power of file-sharing just look like idiots to the rest of us. It’s funny how they are becoming the outcasts.
- chronoss chiron
  
  no we so called pirates havent really been saying that YOU PUBLIC cant survice on private tracker people are cause now you have no where to go….
  
  now don’t ya wish ya had of followed ratio rules….and actually shared instead a being a leech
- puddpuddi
  
  I missed the post you responded too…
woot!

3rd! Woot!
krozar

won’t be happy until I can download chinese food.
- Qjo
  
  …and dirty girls!
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    I wouldn’t mind downloading some chinese girl named Sum Yung Fuk. She’s gonna be pretty mangled by the time she pops outta my router though.
    - Qjo
      
      If you poke around in your router’s advanced settings, you should be able to increase your data compression rate which will tighten her up a bit.
  - chronoss chiron
    
    we will have a 3d printer one day for that
FD

now pretty sure mpaa/riaa will invest more to shut down all torrents
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith
  
  MPAA/RIAA are struggling. How is investing in anything going to shutdown a distribution service that is decentralized and virtually free? Are they going to invest in a penny cannon and start blasting the internets with penny rolls?
Maninthemoon99

Bit torrents is the best way to move files over the internet. It’s a tragedy that the music , film industry etc didn’t understand the digital media nor the human nature to share things w friends . Had they arranged for a fee linked to internet connections that was earmarked for the copy right holders , based on the number of downloads of each file they would have made more money than ever before even if the fee would have been $ 10 – 15 / month. Had they gone that way there would have been only winners , well that is, except for crummy lawyers and detectives that can’t made the grade to become police officer or in legit security firm . As it is there will only loosers , and if the industry think there will be a way to stop file sharing no matter how much they invest in policing they are totally liberated of intelligens
- MadAsASnake
  
  Nope. Non-users should not have to pay a “fee”
- Yhxxes
  
  agreed any one should be billed like addition 10$ for additional internet fees and allowed to download as much as they want
  - Guest
    
    Am I not paying for the Internet already? Why pay extra?
    - chronoss chiron
      
      hes saying you get a blanket liscnese and then are allowed to download all you want without legal fears…..and while i had a system that was developed that could have worked the “industry” kept on harassing me till i gave up then they ran off and like the guy above yammered about 10$ a month instead of the 50 cents /month for music i had argued about….faircopyright for canada back 4 years ago…..
      i had also worked out a 50 cents for tv , 1 $ for movies ….
      and there you ahve it for 2$ a month you get to do all you want wihtout any fears and they would not go for it the copyright collective on cdrs pays out about 45 million ayear, this would have given them 144 million
      NOTE of that 50 cents 10cents is directly for a ISP to upgrade its networks and must be spent on upgrading capcity and speeds without caps.
      
      there is a lot more to it and it was a real effort on my part that took a whole month with the rest of the online community all saying nice idea cept one copyright troll.
  - chronoss chiron
    
    screw you ten bucks is too much
    2 billion net users should only pay 50 cents /month and that equates to 1 billion a month when all hollywood = 30 billion now , that alone would bring 12 billion to them….and stats to show what is popular.
    - Thomas Wrobel
      
      Its not just hollywood, its ALL tv,movies,games,music…50 cents isnt nearly enough to pay all the creators for the content.
      
      Best we can hope for is for a shift to indepedant online productions that cut out the middlemen. (the guild, dr horrible, thatguy etc). That at least brings their costs down, and thus what we should pay down.
- Thomas Wrobel
  
  No, this was done to CDs and I think VHS.
  Its unfair on light or no users- people should pay (more or less) proportionately for what they use.
  If someone downloads 100 movies a month they should pay more then someone that downloads 1 etc.
  
  I think the best way is to have some sort of mobile-phone-esq top up system that lets you pay, say, 10cents for something with one click.
  Sadly with stuff like “paypal” these small payments are impossible as they take too much themselves.
Anonymous

‘ at least 124 million licensed and legal downloads were enabled by BitTorrent Inc.’

completely irrelevant to the entertainment industries in general and the RIAA in particular. all they want figures for are to use when they go crying to the previously bought and paid for politicians that do as the industries say to get new draconian laws introduced. the public has been asking for legal downloads in the ways they want for decades. the only ones preventing that are the industries themselves, so scared that doing so may make them appear weak and lose control. they haven’t yet realised that giving what they want isn’t giving what customers want and therefore wont work.

out of curiosity, has anyone been able to verify the Musicmetric statistics or are they just another industry paid for ‘under the table’ study that portrays a load of maybes, mights and untruths?
- Anyone
  
  it’s not irrelevant
  
  on the contrary, it clearly shows that artists can distribute their work without the approval of the MAFIAA, thus making the MAFIAA obsolete
  that’s what this is all about, loss of control of content
  
  bitching and moaning about imaginary losses is just something they say to convince lawmakers that don’t know any better
  - Jimbo
    
    it doesn’t matter what it shows. it is irrelevant to the industries because they will just poo-poo the figures off, stating that they just show the number of downloads that weren’t legal. that is the point to them
  - chronoss chiron
    
    those are purchases by people already “IN” the industry and are in fact just themselves giving themselves money back
    
    explain why movie theatres in the usa all but one are going bankrupt ( no one is going ) and the one that made money had 5500 outlets and only made 45 million
    thats why they are getting cranky and they are not winning.
    
    music well the people that get legal are doign so cause if they get seen or have pirated they lose work OR get fired or if a lawyer or cop it looks bad for them cause htey are supposed ot be arrestign the kids doing it and be beating htem up in back allies like good nutty lil piggies.
    - Anyone
      
      not sure where you get that cinemas are dying
      all I read is record year after record year for hollywood
      
      if cinemas are dying it is because of hollywood accounting, not because of pirates
    - retaliate
      
      On initial release, movie studios take 90% of box office takings, movie theatres get 10%.
      
      On following weeks, this adjusts gradually but will never be more than 30% for the theatres (ie. never less than 70% for movie studios)
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith
  
  The underlying point here is that the RIAA and the like are now irrelevant. Why stop to consider whether or not they approve? It’s happening. The RIAA and everybody else: deal with it.
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    I’ll consider the RIAA and the like irrelevant when I no longer need to pay for a VPN, or try to make sure I’m 3 or 4 IP hops away from who I’m downloading from or uploading to, or if the RIAA gets busted and shut down for breaking the law, to stop me from breaking the law. Just the thought of that ugly twat Hillary Rosen, still makes me want to puke. Here in the US she’s now a Democratic strategist and talking head, so you still can’t avoid seeing her. I couldn’t tell you from memory who runs the RIAA now.
WigFow

Man that jsut looks like its gonna be fun dude. Wow.

AnonFolks.tk
Guest

Not to mention all the people who downloaded copies of content they had already purchased legitimately but for one reason or another needed a second copy.
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PirateSoldier

And not 1 squeak out of the mpaa. They can’t handle any good news but no doubt will come back with another damning report.
- MPAA
  
  We feel bad for those poor artists. They are being robbed and they don’t even know it.
  
  We could give them a nice, legal contract and then they would be much better off. Sure they won’t get as much money (none, if we get the contract right) but no one will be stealing their content. That’s what matters. We must stop the pirates from making artists known.
  
  Think of our poor suffering lawyers.
MuhammadTheProfit

Kopimism.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith
  
  #MuslimRage
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    I heard somewhere, Islam is the religion of peace? :-(
    I heard somewhere else that religion’s a total scam. :-)
Guest

“Artists are eager to work with BitTorrent and see value in sharing their
work for free. In the coming months and years BitTorrent Inc. therefore
plans to continue and improve their collaboration with artists.”

This is great news for artists who have decided to go down the free sharing route but it is of no relevance or comfort to artists who can’t or don’t want to. Their right to want to be compensated for their work by flat rate payment is just as valid as the right of other artists to give their work away for free.
- Anyone
  
  of course they can try and monetize their work in other ways
  but if they don’t deliver what their fans want it will simply not be bought and downloaded instead, it’s as simple as that
  - Guest
    
    Yes Anyone – these are entirely legitimate suggestions you make regarding artist choices as far as their attempts to make money from their work – I’m not disputing that fact indeed I’ve stated the right to charge for their work ought to be as respected as those who choose to give their work away for free. That said it is a lot easier for someone with a pedigree and the exposure of Louis CK to draw on and build a fanbase than it is for an unknown band or comedian to do. My question to Ryan was how does he propose that artists compete with free?
    - Anyone
      
      use free distribution to get exposure like Louis CK, or at least “critical mass”
      
      another example is Doug Walker (Nostalgia Critic, ThatGuyWithTheGlasses)
      he makes videos, uploaded them for free on youtube and other sites and with the fanbase that generated he can now live from making those videos and STILL giving them away for free
      he “competes” with his own free videos by also selling them on DVD alongside other merchandise
      
      now, he is not as open about the money he makes as Louis CK is, but with his site he can support himself and some employees
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith
  
  This is great news for artists who have decided to go down the free sharing route. Artists who can’t or don’t want to are irrelevant to this breakthrough and, quite likely, will become irrelevant to everyone else unless that take it upon themselves to find a way to compete with improved business models.
  - Guest
    
    You are right, artists who decide not to go down the free sharing route, for whatever reason, ought not to be affected by this “breakthrough”. That’s their choice to make Ryan, not yours. I think most artists will be well aware and agree that they need to serve their fans and potential fans what they, as fans, want but the reality is you cannot set a template whereby all fans preferences are met. Out of interest, tell me, this. Assuming you are referencing the Bittorrent Artist Service (where artists consent to give their material away for free) as the new “improved business model” how would you propose someone might, as you put it, “compete” with that?
    - Anyone
      
      for example offer direct highspeed downloads without the need of a bittorrent client (or Malware like iTunes)
      there, already improved the service
      
      look at Louis CK, who did exactly that with the recording of one of his specials and made over $1 million in less than 2 weeks (by now probably a lot more ;))
      
      or don’t try to compete with worthless copies, but instead use kickstarter to fund your next album or tour or music video and get your money that way
    - themerryreaper
      
      The same way it has always been done before marketeers and distribution cartels made music an industry: be better than the competition and convince people of that.
      
      In the music industry production and distribution are no longer the highest costs so the middlemen have become quite obsolete. The only thing they offer nowadays is marketing, but a million dollar promotion campaign is less effective than a one cent viral video.
      
      Last concert I went to was €40 entrance and was sold out (2000 tickets). The band isn’t that well known here. That’s €80k + CD, concert-CD and memorabilia sales – costs. Not too shabby for a 2 hour gig considering that I work hard 8 hours a day and earn about 25k net a year…Nothing wrong with wanting to make a living from your creativity, but there is no need to get greedy.
      
      Imagine there not being a ‘content’ industry and someone proposing the
      current model in a youtube video… he’d be the laughingstock of the
      world.
  - Cheesethief
    
    Because touring and driving around the coutnry playing at pubs/clubs costs nothing right
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      No it costs, therefore the pub owner pays the artists a travel fee and a fee for playing, most of the times the band can drink and eat for free too, including their roadies, been there, seen it, done it, and it was fun and earned a good sandwich with cheese hehe
    - Guest
      
      @ IDIOCRACY…Where did you do this and with what band at which venue and when? Do you have photos?
- Guest
  
  “Their right to want to be compensated for their work by flat rate payment is just as valid as the right of other artists to give their work away for free.”
  
  And filesharing doesn’t impede their abbility to be compensated for their work by a flat rate payment, so fuck them and their whining about it.
  - Guest
    
    You’re right, it doesn’t – as long as people pay a flat rate payment. What’s your point?
    - Plop
      
      “Their right to want to be compensated..” Yes, they have a right to WANT to be compensated, but they don’t have a right to actually BE compensated. I could carve huge Geiger-esque phalluses from dried Yak excrement and WANT to be compensated for it, but if my audience sees no discernible value in my work then I don’t have an inalienable right to that compensation. Value is attributed to a ‘thing’ by the market, not by the creator. If you try to force a value, but set your price too high you’ll not sell it. If the market is willing to pay ‘x’ (or even not pay at all) then that is its TRUE value – simple economics in action.
      
      Generally artists don’t do what they do to make money, they do it because they love doing it. That being said I understand your position – you want to earn a living – but there are ways and means to do this and as an artist you should be willing to actually work hard for it, just as every other sucker with a shitty job has to. Play as many gigs as you physically can, sell other merchandise and exclusives at gigs, write music for commercial exploitation (films, adverts, jingles – whatever earns you something). That’s the way it has always been for artists, we have to do what we have to do to survive and when you choose to become an artist (because nobody is forcing you to do it) you choose the lifestyle that comes with it.
      
      It doesn’t matter how much you want it to be any other way, the reality is that it is the way it is. You need to be adaptable. It’s a bit like playing a gig where the lead guitarist decides to take an extra 64 bars wigging out in a solo. If you’re not adaptable and can only play the song the way you rehearsed it a million times you’ll come unstuck, but if you can improvise around the sudden change to the song’s structure then you’ll be fine. Apply this to your approach to working as an artist and you’ll e able to figure it out a you go along. Don’t worry you’re not alone, there are millions of us out there doing exactly the same thing.
    - Guest
      
      Plop, thanks for the lecture, but I’m not an artist. I think everyone knows I was very clear in making a distinction between an artists right to “want” to be compensated and the fact that their doing so does not necessarily make it so. Where can I see or hear some of your stuff?
Baba

Just downloaded the Half Life remake Black Mesa the other day. The download was available via a direct download but download time was over 10 hours due to high traffic on the file. The people who made the game also offered it to download with a torrent and guess what… the whole thing only took 15 minutes.

Just goes to show torrents do have a very useful place and are a great bit of technology.
- meowmix
  
  i’m looking forward to what the next generation will do and bring to the party, there has to be another generation or things will stagnate.
http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

well my answer is done on twitter via #PIRACYFACT
AllTruth

1 million people pirate my song. I make more if 1 person downloads it from itunes.
That is the point.
- Anyone
  
  how does that 1 person know about you?
- Guest
  
  That’s not possible. Copyright enforcers insist that all we ever download is Justin Bieber and other Top 20 stuff.
  
  Who the hell are you, and how are 1 million people pirating your song?
- http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett
  
  thats the close minded theory of anti piracy groups. and as proof, ive downloaded many films and tv shows over the years and because of that, i have BOUGHT the content in dvd format. so your statement which just an old way of thinking, is outdated and inaccurate. just because somebody downloads it via piracy doesnt mean they wont go and buy from itunes or elsewhere. its an old way of thinking that just because content is pirated that a sale doesnt happen
  - Guest
    
    Pictures, or you’re talking shit.
    - http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett
      
      pictures of what?
  - Guest
    
    Pictures your “many films and tv shows” that you’ve downloaded over the years and then “BOUGHT” on DVD. You must have thousands by now.
    - http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett
      
      why thousands, i didnt say people download and then buy every single thing we have downloaded. merely pointing out what we appreciate and think is worth the money , i would then go and buy. and who are you asking for evidence CHRIS DODD
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Anon

The only way justice is achieved in the marketplace is when the analog one-possession-one-puchase model continues in the digital market. Workers with digital product should not be subject to infringement just because you can for the same reasons workers in the analog marketplace must be (and largely have been) protected from analog theft. The elements are different but the end result, possession without intended payment, is the same.

As long as pirates misuse tech to avoid a pay-for-possession model, the government will pass the laws the industries need to pick you off like flies. The degree of cracking down and the punishments associated are only just beginning. Government needs the sales of products regardless of their format to drive economic growth and taxes. You know it and I know it. You are on the wrong side of history. And the internet is starting to sense it.
- Plop
  
  How wrong you are. ‘The internet’ (if we’re going to anthropomorphise it that way) is actually sensing hat technology has changed the way they can discover and obtain media. It has changed the relationship artists have with distribution and it has fundamentally undermined the importance of the leech industries who formerly controlled the distribution channels to the benefit of the creators. You know it and that’s why you spend so much time trolling here, because you’re scared to be out of a job, just like anyone in your position would be.
  
  But take it from an artist – your days are numbered and it doesn’t matter how many laws you pass to punish fans for unlawful downloads, in doing it you’re only driving more people to seek alternatives to the ‘product’ you offer, alternatives that are provided by artists independent of your irrelevant old models and who are happy to enter into a sharing and bi-directional relationship with their fans and customers.
  
  Oh, and liking your own comments doesn’t make them any more valid either.
  - Me
    
    Plop, where can we hear or see some of your stuff?
- Guest
  
  Anon, the fuck are you talking about?
  
  In one thread you yourself said that you watched “pirates breaking law in ever decreasing cycles for a decade”, here: http://torrentfreak.com/six-strikes-anti-piracy-scheme-overly-secret-and-unfair-says-professor-120917/#comment-653837471 If piracy is not on the rise how do you justify SOPA and other attempts to get legislation in, not to mention the legislation itself? Pirates are breaking less law – why the gloating, eh?For God’s sake, you’re a bloody persistent troll. One that can’t even read or comprehend what he spews.
Guest

@ “Guest”. It’s “ability” and nobody said it did. @ merryreaper. Name & shame them. Who was the artist you went to see and where was the gig / when?
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ScrewEwe2

I’m not going anywhere Justin Bieber music. I think he’s in league with the Devil.
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Anonymous

the biggest reason the entertainment industries hate and want to totally destroy bittorrent is simply because they dont own it and dont control it. i dont know if they had the chance originally, but if they did, i am sure they turned it down thinking, as usual, with their arses instead of their brains (as small as they seem to be!). if they ever get to control bittorrent or whatever the technology/software is that replaces it, they will say how it is the best thing ever. their attitude is gonna change, depending on which side of the fence they are. just think of the money they could have made if they had embraced file sharing, especially using torrent files. and what did the thick fuckers do? whatever they possibly could to prevent it from being used, from having it available on various sites (again, that they dont control), scaremonger about viruses within etc. they are so concerned with destroying sharing that they ignore the legit sites that exchange legit files. no matter how many legal files are exchanged using torrent, they see only the illegal (in their eyes!) files exchanged. numbers that seem to verify what they say are given to bought politicians, who are encouraged to ignore the facts and the truth. we then get stupid, repressive laws introduced because those stupid politicians want to help their pay master hold back progress, hold back the future, as much as possible instead of getting them to adapt and compete. everyone wants, needs and encourages progress unless it is detrimental to any of the decades old legacy industries who want to stay in that bygone era. what a vicious circle has been created.
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BitTorrent = The best internet technology next to the very internet itself.
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flubalubaful

LOL with megaupload coming back soon, and with these facts in this article I predict the music industry has less than 3 years to do something to stop themselves becoming irrelevant. ” although many say they are already irrelevant”

The big monopolists are so blinded by there greed that they cannot move forward, even though all the signs show they are becoming irrelevant to a a large part of those people that consume music a lot more than the average person, these are people that used to buy music and spread the word about new artists to there fellow music fans.

Musicians only ever made a pittance from selling music,the labels made sure of that and made sure that 99% of all profits went back to them, now the labels realise they made a mistake with the greed to make as much from the selling of music while the artists basically made nothing .

Most musicians look at cds as a loss maker as they pay the upfront costs from there own pockets to create the cd’s and hardly ever make that money back, Now they realsie they do not have to go into debt to spread word about there music, 1 million albums shared on a torrent site would have generated maybe $60 000 less the cost of creating it which some have said can go into the hundreds of thousands. So musicians in reality are losing money by selling music .

Now they can create an album with all the costs involved and get it out all around the world with absolutely no distribution costs, yes they lose the very very low income they would have made or that the studios would have given them , but they are making up for that in not having all the costs involved in making and distributing the cd’s.

SO as we know musicians make no money or very very little from selling there music, and as soon as they understand that they will start releasing there music on bittorent and other sites free, this will or hopefully should encourage more people to share it and spread the word about live shows for there favourite artist’s.

The labels in there greed have destroyed a really good business that encouraged a lot of music to be created around the world but there greed destroyed it for them and there artists that trusted them.
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  I’m not usually a grammar nazi but when ‘there’ is used incorrectly instead of ‘their’ 5 times in such a short span of time, it really does make me worry about the English literacy of many online posters..
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MC Cullah

I am happy to say that I am one of these musicians that give their music out for free using torrents. http://www.mc.cullah.com
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Thetruthhurts

Statistical failure here.

Clearly, they can only check PUBLIC stuff, not private or invite only stuff, so they have no way of knowing. The only real conclusion here is that more and more of the illegal activity is done on more private systems.

A piracy rate of 75% on the public stuff is still nothing to be proud of.
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