Paying for just one makes me an “accomplice” for the MPAA and makes me feel dirty, like I have a film all over me, like I’ve stolen a piece of my own soul to sell to the devil.
Bit torrent makes me feel clean again.
But it’s not just one industry. Paying for a lot of stuff these days seems to turns us all into batteries where we have to turn around and work for practically the same industries– “the robots”– so they can then use that money to sue people and buy up all kinds of overseas land and private islands and dictate their new rules to the locals– often their governments, police and lawyers.

The Matrix is a system, Neo…

http://sourceforge.com/projects/mrindex

Anybody got a box to stick this sucker? (Should be sweet when it gets finished)

This is a very WELCOME security feature, please keep it.

You are making the industry-standard, unproven assumption that everyone who downloads a unit of product would have bought it had it not been for it’s free availability on p2p networks.

Your claims about fair use might be true in somewhere like America, but elsewhere in the world, there are plenty of critics/reviewers and researchers legitimately obtaining copyrighted works for free and in some central European countries, duplicating copyrighted works for personal use is completely acceptable and not seen as theft by the law.

Your labeling of everyone who downloads copyrighted material as ‘thieves’ only holds weight in countries sufficiently corrupted by corporate financial influence over politics and policy-making.

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Completely o.t… but still… Neo, have you ever worked for the recording/motion picture industries (maybe cover-art design or something)? ..or for anti-piracy organisations?

The point is to get a bunch of sites like this.

You don’t get it do you?

Sell the artist not the music!

Music is just a vector not a product.

the hole world is against me!

lol. its possible.

GmailFS already is up and running you can even encrypt your virtual partition so no one nows what happens LoL

It won’t be long until the RIAA/MPAA wine and dine politicians and law makers behind closed doors and convinced them to write up and pass laws that simply HOSTING a .torrent file is completely illegal.

Wow, you really don’t get what paying for things is, do you?

Your lawyers have done a good job of convincing courts that “fair use” and “fair dealing” do not exist. You ignore “permitted acts” of copying, you harass and bully consumers and really, your industry deserves none of the free promotion it gets from filesharing networks.

Fair use doesn’t mean you dont have to pay for anything anymore, nor does it apply to creative works.

Just because you aren’t profiting off of it, doesn’t mean that it’s creators aren’t loosing money. Things take money to create and they need profits to compensate for those costs. If people hand things out to each other with torrents instead of paying for them (stealing by definition), then the studio isn’t getting any money. You can’t seriously believe that, without torrents, the sales numbers for great movies like batman : the dark knight would have been so low.

You live in a dream world if you think legit corporations aren’t thriving on piracy.

You live in a dream world if you think millions of people not paying for things magically creates profits.

And what the hell do you mean by legitimate corporations? Now corporations have to have their legitimacy affirmed by the very thieves that steal from them? Wow, that makes no sense at all.

What if it was your company and your millions that you were losing? Would you be so quick to support theft then?
[quote]Do a search on Google for “spiderman filetype:torrent” without the quotes and see for yourself.[/quote].. Uhm, yeah, and this will bring you to a torrent site. It’s not like google has a “download .torrent” button. You stil need to go to the actual site to browse torrents too.

Do you think most people actually use google to find torrents instead of simply heading to their favorite torrent site? Why do you think this is? Maybe because using the site directly makes the process of theft alot easier? Google is several steps distanced from the torrent file itself. The torrent sites are the final step.

Intent matters too. Google’s main purpose is to help people find web pages. Searching for file types was only discovered until later. Google has MANY legitimate sites indexed. Torrent sites on the other hand (atleast the ones we are dealing with here) have 99% copyrighted content and they think that it’s okay just because they want it to.

Perhaps you should be blasting Google and other large legit search engines with your RIAA/MPAA fanboi idiocy.
Im guessing you dont have a job either? You just sit there the whole day and enjoy your “god given” right to freeload?

You’re a total moron.

….That coming from someone who seems to believe that not paying for things creates profits and is somehow good for a company.

Talk about living in a dream world. You take the cake.

How much damage? How much does the economy suffer? Please cite your response using links to your sources.

I dont need to do the math for you, but it’s a lot. Im only sad because you are trying to hard to legitimize theft.

Please go learn what GDP is

Here is one such article
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/68413/movie_piracy_hurts_entire_us_economy.html

Evidently, the notion that your little “hobby” was contributing to a problem that affects millions of people was too much for you too take. If only they knew.

Cite this, too. You will need the following information:
-The average number of visits per day to isoHunt
-The average amount of advertisements per page
-The average amount paid to the site per advertisement
-Whether that money is paid if the ad is clicked on, or merely downloaded
-And finally: You must make a distinction between income and profit by showing us how much isoHunt spends per month (or any suitable time period, so long as all other statistics adhere to it) in maintaining the site.

So, instead of actually logically countering my post, your demanding pointless exact figures? Has it ever occured to you that those exact figures aren’t available to the general public, because they would be decisively incriminating?
Whoops, I guess you lose this one again.

According to wikipedia, there are 7.4 million unique visitors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isohunt

That’s not profit. The copies that sharers download are effectively worthless because they can be replicated endlessly. I’d only profit if I acquired something with some real value.

Do you have a job, 4nd? If somone was stealing all your hard work, would be going to such extensive lengths to rationalize it?

Those copies are not worthless, because they are someone else’s hard work (something which you will probabaly never understand.) DVDs can also be replicated. Does that make them useless? What a ridiculous claim. IT’S THEIR WORK, AND THEY DESERVE TO BE PAID FOR IT. GET IT?

You don’t understand what freeloading is doing to the industry. You don’t understand what hard work is. You just sit there and smugly try and rationalize theft.

“Its their legal responsibility…”

From the hashes alone they cannot see which files are in a torrent or even what the torrent name is… so really, please shut the hell up.

@Gargamel (#23)

There is no central server that stores ANY copyrighted material, it is all meta-data and should be completely legal to host but I agree we need find a true decentralized solution instead.

You live in a dream world if you think legit corporations aren’t thriving on piracy.

Do a search on Google for “spiderman filetype:torrent” without the quotes and see for yourself.

Perhaps you should be blasting Google and other large legit search engines with your RIAA/MPAA fanboi idiocy.

You’re a total moron.

So we’re moving onto the realm of the MetaTorrent now, are we not?

It’ll last, all right, but not legally.

Torrage sites were all hosted in countries like Spain that have legally ruled piracy without profit is legal.

Then as long as the torrage sites remain donation and add free, they are off limits to the riaa/mpaa.

Then, I’d like to see something along the lines of auto backups that would take the torrents uploaded to torrage site A, and have them automatically propagated to torrage sites b,c,d, and this could grow exponentially.

New torrents posted on any site and automatically propagated to each and every site, reducing the single point of access as a security risk.

Better yet, would be a method to essentially torrent the site itself and allow others to join the “swarm” buy hosting torrents on their own sites, all safely locked away unless you have the hash.

Then users could setup sites like Rlslog, or simple forums or even twitter, to index the hashcodes for easy searching.

As long as there’s no single point of failure, it will keep going.

the main problem, as someone already pointed out, is costs.

You can, in Spain, run a torrent indexing site, without ads and donations, legally. But, you simply can’t afford the bandwidth you are going to need without ads or donations.

And that’s the knife in the back, we’re on the verge of doing all of this safely, but money will be the problem. Bandwidth is expensive, and without a donation system or paid ads, where is that money going to come from?

No offense, but if any of you think people hosting torrent sites are doing it for fun or because they want to share, you are retarded. It’s about making money.

This is a step in the right direction, but still provides a single point of failure. And masking the torrents with hash codes so no one can search doesn’t change the fact that they are links to pirated content.

And like I said, once this service takes off, people will be posting hash indexes of torrents everywhere.

Here is another idea get a copy of the project GmailFS(Gmail File System) the make the inbos of your gmail a virtual file system so you can encrypt the data and send it to all your friends to access it, people will shutdown google? hotmail? LoL

“BTW: did anyone else notice this?”
“tracker.thepiratebay.org -> 192.121.86.4″

Listen up, dickhead.
You don’t understand the concept of domain name and IP addresses, do you?
They’re selling *.thepiratebay.org – they’re not selling “192.121.86.4″
When thepiratebay.org is sold, it’s IP will change.

Meanwhile, you and every other armchair detective are doing the RIAA’s investigative work for them by pointing out obvious shit like that.

So what happens when some-one uploads the same torrent(s) multiple times with bogus tracker URLs? :|

RT
http://www.anon-web-tools.net.tc

However … I don’t have the balls to do it myself :-)

I’m sure 50 euro of gifts a month can not be so hard … is it ?

Your lawyers have done a good job of convincing courts that “fair use” and “fair dealing” do not exist. You ignore “permitted acts” of copying, you harass and bully consumers and really, your industry deserves none of the free promotion it gets from filesharing networks.

If you really do represent the entertainment industry in any way, be grateful as filesharing seems to have had little real effect on your industry (in some cases posting year on year increases in profits recently) but your actions need answering, and I think a proper boycott is what is called for.

You won’t stop filesharing, but you might cause enough outrage to stop consumers from consuming… you certainly seem to be making considerable process with that failure.

hehehe good theory ;)

GGF = ThePirateBay

They are simply buying their own site using the cash they already earned and are laundering the money while at it, and probably earning more because of the stock price.

The MAFIAA is clueless

I guess Sunde still is the spokesperson?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/08/pirate-bay-sale-steams-ahead-but-whos-doing-the-selling.ars

BTW: did anyone else notice this?

tracker.thepiratebay.org
-> 192.121.86.4

tracker.openbittorrent.com
-> 192.121.86.4

hmm

Cloud storage have many forms you can even use Gmail to store information (google doesn’t allow it but you can)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GmailFS would they sue google, microsoft, yahoo and other to use their email services to pass illegal stuff around?

I didn’t understand how the service works so I am shooting blind here and apologize if any of my assumptions are wrong.

ps: I’m assuming they are just hosting things and it is all encrypted so they don’t know what is going on, the thing is the server should not be the one encrypting anything it opens the doors to bully tactics and it doesn’t work so great.

If ever things get really uggly for people solutions already exist that have anonymity, encryption, search and DHT.

- GNUnet
- Retroshare.
- StealthNet.

And a lot of others have those capabilities already their are slow but are functional and have a high degree of protection right out of the box, I’m waiting for a bittorrent client that doesn’t use Java for those things as the only option for bittorrent is OneSwarm but I really didn’t like it and I have a grudge with Java, and bitblinder I never ever got the invite so I can’t say anything about it LoL

This of course would put the likes of Ubuntu, artistic producers and corporations in complete jeopardy because so many people are using .torrent technology to cut their bandwidth costs to distribute their content.

Any chance that Google will index said .torrents? ;)

STOP USING STOLEN CONTENT TO MAKE YOUR MONEY; CREATE YOUR OWN CONTENT; IF YOU DO THAT AND SELL YOUR OWN CONTENT ON A LARGE SCALE, THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM. IF YOU SELL OTHER PEOPLES CONTENT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MAKE LOTS OF MONEY WHILE DOING SO. DIVIDING THE FILE SHARING PROCEDURE IN A 100,000 PARTS AND HAVE A SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL OVERSEE EACH PART OF THE PROCEDURE WILL NOT HELP YOU. WE REPEAT, IT WILL NOT HELP YOU.

SO NICE TRY TORRAGE:
We do not have any income or advertising on the site, instead we get the money it takes to run the service from the general public and other sites that uses our services for caching torrent files. If you like our service and want to contribute please contact donations@torrage.com

SO YOU CHOOSE:

1. DO NOT MAKE ANY MONEY AND DO NOT MODERATE OR OPERATE AN INDEX OF STOLEN FILES OR REFERENCES TO STOLEN FILES

2. MAKE MONEY AND ASK THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNER OF THE FILE

I’ve sent this to TorrentFreak a little mote than week, but they haven’t checked it yet.

I’ve made an application that can mirror the entire list of torrents that’s available on TPB. Currently it only downloads the .torrent files, but it probably wouldn’t be too much trouble also adding in functionality to also store torrent descriptions.

The current version of the app can be downloaded with full source code from here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/260840255/Pirate_Bay_Torrent_Ripper.rar

Yes they do. You can find the link at their homepage; visit http://torrage.com/ and scroll to the bottom of the page.

Also would it not be wise of the management of the torrage website to implement their torrent caching service on Tor: Hidden Service Protocol. More details: http://www.torproject.org/hidden-services.html.en

The registrant of Torrage.com is the same that Openbittorrent.com, and Openbittorrent tracker is The Pirate Bay tracker (same IP).

So Suprnova + Torrage + Openbittorrent = The Pirate Bay

TPB crew is following their own agenda as planned.

People that cry “sellouts” are plain stupid (or may be well paid trolls).

We could have about ten servers in different countries and taking one down wouldn’t stop a thing…