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Those of you who think every entertainer should have a day job, news flash: most of them do. Those of you who think that everyone running a record label is a wearing nice suits and jetting around? We’re not. And if you think that all entertainers should set out a begging bowl (donation button), ask yourself if you would work only for donations. As a way to get rewarded for a hobby maybe its OK, but if you’ve spent time training yourself, building your skill and reputation, would you act like a beggar in the street shaking a cup for spare change? I sure as heck wont.

Oh and to all of you who “share” files, may I ask where you got those files to begin with?[/quote]

If you can’t have a modicum of humility you don’t deserve anything. Asking for donations portrays goodwill and people will gladly give. Pigheadedly exagerrating already overpriced CDs will not attract income. You’ll no doubt claim that the artist has no control over that, well that’s too bad. Setting up a Web site and asking for whatever people would LIKE to pay or what they can afford, is what will prosper you, and has nothing to do with begging. People want to see your goodwill and humility, not your greedy arrogant pride. If you can’t fake it, stiff cheddar.

Reduced price media is what will sell mostly, and also make the most money. Not overpricing, which doesn’t sell. Do you have a sales clue or what? Stubbornly inflating prices will not increase profits unless you have the sales and will only cause avoidance and ill-will to potential buyers.

On contrary to the swedish Green Party, Venstre is a main stream party which until recently shared the goverment power with the concervatives, the farmer party and the christian party for about 13 years, and so it is not a nutty left or right wing party.

http://www.uv.no/arkiv/pressemeldinger/liberal-party-advocates-legal-file-sharing/quote

Venstre is not a liberal party.
It is a socialist party.
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Ehr. Nope. Maybe you’re thinking of the “Socialist left party” (sosialistisk venstre parti). Thats an entirely different party, and which does not support legalisation of file sharing, by the way.

http://www.venstre.no/print.php?article=981

“Venstre is a liberal, non-socialist party, rooted at the centre of Norwegian politics”.

Stop that stupid lying. Who are you anyway? What cause are you supporting by writing such bullshit?

Venstre is not a socialist party. From http://www.venstre.no/print.php?article=981, you can clearly read “Venstre is a liberal, non-socialist party”. Everything I wrote about venstre was correct, its a mainstream liberal party sharing power with the concervative party and other non-left parties for many years, a fact which you can check from numerous sources on the internet and everywhere else. I have never ever heard that its supposed to be a socialist part. so just shut up.

http://www.rockparty.se/
Exampel of music festival local
-swede festival in Hultsfred/ Kalmar county- its rather commen to test what artist comes upp before bying a 2-4 days ticket rather expencive.
On festival all musicplaing bands sell thire music cd on market sourroundings!
(sell a lot during those days)

Again i think its a win win situation with internet – and the benifitt of musiclovers to reccomend artist is fare more value fore artiste because its a collecting thing to by the orginal in the end fore moste of people.

Fore those who cant pay and only loads down music will still spread music reccomending as free PR fore the musicpeople and then again sell morde cd… What is the PR coast fore music…compared with lost of sharingmoney ???

Best regards @kko Karlsson Sweden

On contrary to the swedish Green Party, Venstre is a main stream party which until recently shared the goverment power with the concervatives, the farmer party and the christian party for about 13 years, and so it is not a nutty left or right wing party.

http://www.uv.no/arkiv/pressemeldinger/liberal-party-advocates-legal-file-sharing/quote

Venstre is not a liberal party.
It is a socialist party.
The swedish green party is supporting the socialists and socialdemocrates in Sweden.

None of these are liberal.

In the case of the Green party it really looks like they are fishing for votes from young people who are for sharing because they do not have experience from working and have not developed a sense for ownership.

Sharers, despite what age, seems to me as people with a very low resonsability level and no sense for ownership.

In politics they are often called “communists”.

As I’m not a politician I just call them selfish. And greedy.

Those of you who think every entertainer should have a day job, news flash: most of them do. Those of you who think that everyone running a record label is a wearing nice suits and jetting around? We’re not. And if you think that all entertainers should set out a begging bowl (donation button), ask yourself if you would work only for donations. As a way to get rewarded for a hobby maybe its OK, but if you’ve spent time training yourself, building your skill and reputation, would you act like a beggar in the street shaking a cup for spare change? I sure as heck wont.

Oh and to all of you who “share” files, may I ask where you got those files to begin with?[/quote]

Bingo!!! Well said!

Those of you who think every entertainer should have a day job, news flash: most of them do. Those of you who think that everyone running a record label is a wearing nice suits and jetting around? We’re not. And if you think that all entertainers should set out a begging bowl (donation button), ask yourself if you would work only for donations. As a way to get rewarded for a hobby maybe its OK, but if you’ve spent time training yourself, building your skill and reputation, would you act like a beggar in the street shaking a cup for spare change? I sure as heck wont.

Oh and to all of you who “share” files, may I ask where you got those files to begin with?

If we take away SOME form of prosecution for piracy, and have politicians supporting it in their campaigns then there really is going to be no way for artists, musicians, novelists and film makers to make a friggin’ dime… or do we want everything to be permeated with aggressive advertising?

I just don’t see where this is going? I mean I steal shit, I know I do, and I will as long as I can. If they do find a way to clamp down on bittorrent, then us pirates, will find another way to steal our shit… but we still need the majority of lemmings to keep going to virgin and HMV and itunes.com to pay so people can eat…

Just my 2 cents…[/quote]

well said and I agree with you. I think, that Piracy will be a cat and mouse chase between mpaa (etc.) against the filesharers. and it should remain like that. although all the pirate-supporting news sites are giving the impression that piracy wont put musicans out of job most of us know thats not the case.
until now theres still a majority who buy music from stores (itunes etc.) but if piracy comes legal also they will move to pirate bay and then the artists are out of job.

Movie industry is different. new blu-ray full hd videos and the future ultra-full-hd-videos are way too big to be shared in the net so I will buy blu-rays from store with 20€ rather than downloading that 50gb from net over 1 month…

On contrary to the swedish Green Party, Venstre is a main stream party which until recently shared the goverment power with the concervatives, the farmer party and the christian party for about 13 years, and so it is not a nutty left or right wing party.

http://www.uv.no/arkiv/pressemeldinger/liberal-party-advocates-legal-file-sharing

You think you’re “stickin it to the man” when you file share. You think the money comes out of execs pockets or movie stars, I don’t think so. It comes out of the labor-type positions and it raises prices for everyone who acquires it legally. Have you looked at any demographic studies of P2P file sharing? It’s not starving Cambodians who are downloading movies, it’s rich kids with broadband internet access.

I hate to tell you this guys but what we do is leverage our access to advanced technologies in order to fuck over people who generally have less than we do. We fuck over all of the normal people who have jobs related to entertainment. (The execs and stars are the people in food chain least effected by what we do. It pisses em off to be sure, but all-in-all they don’t bare the brunt of the lost revenue.) We fuck over people who don’t have access to a hip new high-tech way to steal their content, or people who realize that it takes a lot of effort from a lot of people to make the shit, so they don’t steal it on principle.

You guys act like you’re heroes saving the world one key stroke at a time. We’re common thieves, all of us. At least I’m willing to admit it.

If we take away SOME form of prosecution for piracy, and have politicians supporting it in their campaigns then there really is going to be no way for artists, musicians, novelists and film makers to make a friggin’ dime… or do we want everything to be permeated with aggressive advertising?

I just don’t see where this is going? I mean I steal shit, I know I do, and I will as long as I can. If they do find a way to clamp down on bittorrent, then us pirates, will find another way to steal our shit… but we still need the majority of lemmings to keep going to virgin and HMV and itunes.com to pay so people can eat…

Just my 2 cents…[/quote]
Filesharing is much more than just stealing stuff and getting free shit. It’s a movement. Oh, and people will still be paid. I just downloaded a Disturbed Album and loved it. I’m going to see one of their concerts in the summer now. Would I have found their music otherwise? Hell no! I wouldnt waste $20 on some group i dont know. I wouldnt waste $20 period! I get the music online for free, and if i like, i go to a show and buy some of their crappy tshirts. thats a much greater business model, rather than paying $20 everytime i want a change in my music. oh, and for every album you buy, the artist will be lucky if he/she sees even 5 pennies.[/quote]

My point exactly, only a few centuries ago, wondering minstrels were musicians who wnadered from town to town and played every night for food and lodging… But no-adays thats not conducive to having kids, and sending them to college, so a decent living has to be expected. I agree that true artists will make their art no matter what the cost to them, but we as a society should work to change that model… Thats why I listen watch fr free, and then support by going to show or buying the DVD. But fact remains that most of the stuff I download I am stealing with no intention of ever contributing to it in any way…. So I am a thief, and I do belong to the file sharing movement.

BTW, no one has addressed my question about how Starbucks got their grubby mits on the Radiohead album that Radiohead themselves have distributed for free, and Starbucks are now selling for 14.99… (In the US)… is that legal???!!!

What did I get out of the deal? A great resume. Some great jobs. Some name recognition. The benefits just keep rolling in.

This model works for the small projects (one song, one program, one art piece). Maybe not so well for bigger projects like games and movies, but it could be extended in ways to do that. Make a toy-ific (word from the industry meaning it sells a lot of toys) movie, make money on the toys, let people share the movie for free. Same with games. All games and movies could be toy-ific and gadget-ific. Music has concerts. Software has upsells, services, and other stuff. Figure it out people. Sharing is the future. Find new ways to make your money, like I did.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/tilting-at-windmills.html

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wtf has this to do with TPB? nothing

filesharing has always been supported in Sweden, no news there

HAIL BUSH!

But I have faith. There are quite a lot of us around – someone is bound to come up with something clever sooner or later.[/quote]

Concerts perhaps? Excellent discussion here by the way… I live in the politically repressed country of the United States where it’s now impossible for the government and laws to model the current ways of thinking. Between the generational gap of the moden internet and the politicians here, it’s impossible for anything sensical like this to happen. The Swedes look like the can actually think through an issue and then adjust accordingly. Where as here, the response is “BAN IT!!!!! The record conglomerates can never afford that third jet if you start copying episodes of Seinfeld”

This is a war that is more and more lost for each day that pass by.

If we take away SOME form of prosecution for piracy, and have politicians supporting it in their campaigns then there really is going to be no way for artists, musicians, novelists and film makers to make a friggin’ dime… or do we want everything to be permeated with aggressive advertising?

I just don’t see where this is going? I mean I steal shit, I know I do, and I will as long as I can. If they do find a way to clamp down on bittorrent, then us pirates, will find another way to steal our shit… but we still need the majority of lemmings to keep going to virgin and HMV and itunes.com to pay so people can eat…

Just my 2 cents…[/quote]
Filesharing is much more than just stealing stuff and getting free shit. It’s a movement. Oh, and people will still be paid. I just downloaded a Disturbed Album and loved it. I’m going to see one of their concerts in the summer now. Would I have found their music otherwise? Hell no! I wouldnt waste $20 on some group i dont know. I wouldnt waste $20 period! I get the music online for free, and if i like, i go to a show and buy some of their crappy tshirts. thats a much greater business model, rather than paying $20 everytime i want a change in my music. oh, and for every album you buy, the artist will be lucky if he/she sees even 5 pennies.

That’s all i have to say. The implications of downloading someone’s work over the Internet is so extremely complicated, even I don’t understand some parts of it.

But I have faith. There are quite a lot of us around – someone is bound to come up with something clever sooner or later.

If we take away SOME form of prosecution for piracy, and have politicians supporting it in their campaigns then there really is going to be no way for artists, musicians, novelists and film makers to make a friggin’ dime… or do we want everything to be permeated with aggressive advertising?

I just don’t see where this is going? I mean I steal shit, I know I do, and I will as long as I can. If they do find a way to clamp down on bittorrent, then us pirates, will find another way to steal our shit… but we still need the majority of lemmings to keep going to virgin and HMV and itunes.com to pay so people can eat…

Just my 2 cents…[/quote]

art in any form should never be about making money. years ago artists, poets, writers were mainly piss poor and broke and only the very very best ever made any money out of it. the art world today is too easy and if legalised file sharing means that most musicians will have to go out and get real jobs then good. a real artist will always make art and will do whatever they can to carry on doing so, it should never be about making money and living the high life style. if you legalised file sharing then it would filter out the crap who are only in it for the money and leave us only with the true artists. this goes for film makers too.

If we take away SOME form of prosecution for piracy, and have politicians supporting it in their campaigns then there really is going to be no way for artists, musicians, novelists and film makers to make a friggin’ dime… or do we want everything to be permeated with aggressive advertising?

I just don’t see where this is going? I mean I steal shit, I know I do, and I will as long as I can. If they do find a way to clamp down on bittorrent, then us pirates, will find another way to steal our shit… but we still need the majority of lemmings to keep going to virgin and HMV and itunes.com to pay so people can eat…

Just my 2 cents…[/quote]

Look at history, years ago, the industries said the same about the VCR – the world didn’t end
They said it about audio cassettes – the world didn’t end
Before that, they said the same about cable TV – the world didn’t end
they said the same about radio – the world didn’t end
They said it about phonographs, and player piano’s – the world didn’t end.

This is a battle that has been replayed half a dozen times over the last 100 years. The arguments on either side haven’t changed. each time the industry has ended up profiting more from the new technology. The only difference this time, is that as well as duplication, its undermined the distribution networks.

These job and economy arguments are also a nice twist of numbers, in an attempt to fool those with a poor grasp of economics. the money doesn’t dissapear from the economy, it goes elsewhere.

Swedes in general like the king/the monarchy, and it would be political suicide to actually try to abolish it. Besides, he hasn’t got any real power, he’s more like a quaint showpiece. In fact, that’s probably why swedes like him.