Pirate Bay: Hey Anonymous, Stop DDoSing Virgin

Ernesto
May 10, 2012
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virgin The Pirate Bay is not happy with the “anonymous” groups who decided to DDoS Virgin Media for complying with a court order.

Last week Virgin was the fist ISP to block The Pirate Bay.

According to The Pirate Bay these DDoS attempts go against a free Internet.

On Facebook (of all places) The Pirate Bay writes:

We do NOT encourage these actions. We believe in the open and free internets, where anyone can express their views. Even if we strongly disagree with them and even if they hate us.

So don’t fight them using their ugly methods. DDOS and blocks are both forms of censorship.

If you want to help; start a tracker, arrange a manifestation, join or start a pirate party, teach your friends the art of bittorrent, set up a proxy, write your political representatives, develop a new p2p protocol, print some pro piracy posters and decorate your town with, support our promo bay artists or just be a nice person and give your mom a call to tell her you love her.

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http://twitter.com/williamtm/ WilliamTM

I’m inclined to agree with them. VM and other UK ISPs are only doing this due to a court order, they have to do it by law. Granted, they’re not doing all that much to fight it, but they can’t ignore it.
- Guest
  
  Agree…. Anon should respect TPB wishes on this one.
  
  TPB need help , but making the isp’s annoyed by them is not helping.
  - http://www.facebook.com/tom.evers.5 Tom Evers
    
    Indeed. Now why don’t they just DDoS Brein and other copyright-companies? That’d be fun.
- desbest
  
  Virgin Media is the only ISP in the UK which is blocking The Pirate Bay by scanning packets, and not at the DNS level.
  
  I tried to access it using my proxy, and it only worked for 5 seconds before the Virgin Media notice webpage showed up.
http://twitter.com/ynthrepic David Boulton

DDoSing isn’t a form a censorship at all though; it’s a form of protest. DDoSing virgin doesn’t censor anything.
- Thenell87
  
  It’s an arbitrary organisation preventing access to virgin’s services, due to their own views. That sounds like censorship to me.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D4F3JMJUVMHEWE65Z5XU4UKSXM JosephF
  
  When you protest, you can’t block doors to business. This simple, fundamental understanding of a form of protest is the reason many protesters are arrested..
  because they’re ignorant of what protesting is.
  - Generic
    
    …and that’s why your protests never achieve anything, because you follow THEIR rules, because you’re idiots.
    - Other Guest
      
      You think because they censor, which you’re against, you think it’s acceptable to DDoS their website to block people from accessing it (also censorship) … nah, I call that hypocracy and also stupidity for most likely loss of sales and causing inconvenence to customers of Virgin Media (who were trying to get on the website for help etc). It’s not Virgin Media’s fault, they are a company, you can’t expect a company to go against the law just to keep TPB up and running.
      
      You also think DDoSing Virgin Media will make them put TPB back online? Seriously, you think they’d prefer to get massive (up to) £250k daily fines or whatever the punishment is JUST to satify you?
    - PeacefulOperations
      
      Yeah Generic. Follow in the steps of Anders Breivik and really cause a ruckus. Is that what you mean?
    - Guest
      
      People who engage in DDOS attacks are just like the Occupy idiots. They only discredit themselves and the ideas they advocate with their antics.
      
      Peaceful protesting is fine. Shutting down a web site with a DDOS attack is NOT a peaceful protest. Turning a public park into a sewer is NOT a peaceful protest. Breaking store windows is NOT a peaceful protest. Blowing up bridges is NOT a peaceful protest.
      
      The way to achieve success at a political level is to actually try to persuade people of the truth of whatever your point of view happens to be. In most countries, the Pirate Party is probably the best means to advance IP reform or abolition and promote an open Internet. In the US, your best bet is to join one of the 2 major parties (whichever you agree with more often) and try to change it from within. Be the Tea Party. Don’t be Occupy.
      
      Entrepreneurship is also a great way to go. That’s what it is called when you start a torrent tracker, set up a proxy or create a new p2p protocol. Somebody needs to create a new p2p protocol where peers are identified by usernames, not IP addresses. Basically, like a private Bittorrent tracker but with the software logging into the tracker server directly with a username. The software should be set up so that even the server admin doesn’t know the IP address of any user. If done right, it would make it impossible for the RIAA or MPAA to sue anybody for downloading anything. As long as the trackers are operated from a secure location, there would be nothing the Copyright Industry could do about it.
    - Guest the Third
      
      The reason I think we shouldn’t DDOS anymore is that it’s stupid and ineffective. It used to get news headlines, but now enough people have pointed out that any skiddy with a computer and the ability to push a button can join one, so it doesn’t get a reaction anymore. Do something that gets noticed, hack into the servers, and replace the home page with a pirate bay proxy maybe release some corporate emails, change the root passwords, then you’ll have an effective protest. DDOSing just makes you look like an idiot, especially when it doesn’t work, like all the “ZOMG, WEz goNNa takes DoWn FaCEbOOk!!!111!” attempts.
    - http://twitter.com/TPBGirl TPBGirl ™
      
      Sounds like your an OWS/Occupy idiot who has cost US taxpayers now.. millions of dollars because you don’t know how to protest peacefully. One way or the other, YOU will pay for the damages you have done. At the gas pump, grocery store, internet, etc. You are not above the law an thinking that you are is why you FAIL. TPB just smacked you silly, sit down and shut up.
    - Guest
      
      You know, when Wikipedia blackouted, it got more attention than anon got even during the Lulzsec-weeks.. Oh. And Gandhi. Do not become as bad as what you are fighting.
    - Corrupt
      
      @twitter-106561599:disqus
      
      few million in costs V $ 700 TRILLION in free money to banks… hmmm
      
      Occupy exists for a reason , like the tea party before it sold out.
      Shame the media portrays occupy as all leftist. ( believe if you want )
      
      Ron Paul 2012 ( because the others Sold us OUT )
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYx2g0wpjJs
    - Generic
      
      @all:disqus
      
      But take a look at what you’re up against, people. Those you’re up against use violence and denial of service as a matter of course to protest your actions. All I ask is that you take a good long hard look at those you are against and the way that they operate. Now I know that you have been raised throughout your lives to believe that you shouldn’t do X, Y & Z things, but I ask you this: Who taught you those things? In many cases, if you really look into it, you’ll see that is those who claim authority over you that make these rules, the very people whose ideas you are against. They make the rules and you follow them, that’s a very large part as to why they have so much control over you, over your lives, and why your actions at protest against them are rarely effective. You have to learn to not do what they want you to do, in fact, do the opposite of what they tell you to do as oftentimes they give much away in what they say as to what really hurts them; it’s those things they try so hard to prevent you from doing; those things they shout loudest about.
      
      I’m not saying DDOS’ing Virgin is a great solution, but you have to start somewhere. You’ll learn in time what proves effective or not. But I’ll tell you this: Doing the same thing you’ve always been doing and expecting different results is foolish. You have to learn to realize why that is.
    - Generic’s Parents
      
      ok generic, you’re not grounded anymore, you are not required to eat vegetables, just leave us alone. But first get a job.
    - N0n4Non
      
      DOsing is NOT the same as or some form of censorship, it is more like rioting as you block a street with burning tires. Do you people frankly believe peaceful protesting gets you anywhere?, the gravity of the situation calls for the method, you riot when it is grave and peacefully stand in a corner if unserious.
      
      Businesses only understand how much money they make more or less a day… not morals, ethics and rights. If you cut their profits they will think twice next time they decide to lobby the government to push for something like SOPA or PIPA.
      
      What Anon did wrong was to not respect the wishes of the pirate bay, of course the bay also fucked up by allowing the Brits to be cut off without retaliating and adding critique to anon’s actions, when they are both after the same goal.
      
      What an idiotic misunderstanding and turn of events.
  - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
    
    I’m inclined to agree that DDoS is a form of protest but in this case they are aiming at the wrong target. I personally don’t condone this type of protest as I don’t agree with the ones that are violent. However, sometimes causing financial harm and social disturbance is the only way to get your message across.
    
    In any case, TPB also has a point and I totally support them. It’s not the time to go ballistic in the UK. Yet.
  - SoWhat
    
    Tell that to the Black folks in Alabama and Mississippi when they boycotted businesses. They also sat down at the lunch counter and refused to move because they were not being served–blocking access to white customers. Whenever they protested, they were arrested for “interfering with business.”
    - Almighty Sapling
      
      So, they were arrested for protesting illegally? Isn’t the entire point of a protest to CHANGE SOMETHING, in many cases, the law?
      If you claim that breaking the law is a poor way to protest then you severely underhand the power of protest and the human right to act out against a corrupt government.
      
      While there may be better ways for Anon to conduct business in this matter, the point is Virgin and other ISPs didn’t try hard enough (or at all) to stop the court from making its decision. And loss of business is a DAMN GOOD REASON for Virgin to consider taking a stand. Sorry if they lose money, but this is war, and all is fair. Anon is doing what it takes to align reality with what it considers ideal.
      
      I think a far better course of action would be to severely inconvenience the courts themselves with nation-wide DDoSes.
      
      But I think we will see that if Virgin loses enough money, they might consider asking the courts to lift the ban.
Zellfaze

New plan: DDoS the courts! It was their idea right?

But yeah, I agree that DDoSing an ISP doesn’t help anyone.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly
  
  No point in DDoSing the courts. Judges have shown they have little or no understanding of the net or its dynamic nature as it is.
  
  If anyone were to be considered a valid target it would have to be sites that promote or generate direct revenue for MAFIAA members.
  
  At least that would generate real losses for MAFIAA members
  - Anonymous
    
    yeah. they sure need some real data.
- Anonymous
  
  DDoS-ing an ISP is like trying to combat 4chan by spamming them tranny porn.
  It just doesn’t work and it should be really obvious why and if it isn’t then you really need to lurk more.
  - http://twitter.com/TPBGirl TPBGirl ™
    
    “DDoS-ing an ISP is like trying to combat 4chan by spamming them tranny porn”
    
    LMAO! …choked on Dr. Pepper!
Anonymous

We had no part in that operation.

-Anonymous
- Erthwjim
  
  Like all things that give them bad press, disavow it…
- Anonymous
  
  Speak for yourself.
  
  -Anonymous
  - suomynonA
    
    Hey Barrett Brown… nuff said.
  - Anonymous
    
    Okay I will.
    
    -Anonymous
- Anonymous
  
  We kind of did do it*
Force

Fuck Virgin, look how long it took them to implement the block…

Fuck Facebook.

“start a tracker” Hah! I did that, uploaded .torrent to tpb, and they ip-banned me. Fuck TPB.

“write your” American??
- Other Guest
  
  So it’s right for a company to wait for the day it’s due by … but if it’s a few days before they are required to block the site you hate on the company?
  
  Ever heard the phrase “let’s just get this other with”? A few days in advanced doesn’t matter, they were going to censor it in the end regardless.
- Facebook Sucks
  
  The Internet would be a better place without Facebook :P inb4 Facebook fanboys/fangirls troll this post
Norm

more power to anonymous ddos the creeps they deserve it !!!
Jimmy

have you sent YOUR email of disapproval to virgin for their exemplary behavior at implimenting the block on TPB, or have you done F all, post a message on TorrentFreak that should work. i think these guys are standing up for the bigger picture and i hope they cause as much of an inconvenience as is possible.
townie2

you have to fight fire with fire. seems to me governments shouldn’t be able to block sites, then tell others that they can’t.
Guest

I’m with The Pirate Bay here.
Fighting evil with evil does not help anyone and it’s like betraying the principles you are supposedly protecting. And the suggestions they give are actually really good.
Plus these guys are doing their job, they have little option.
Maybe if they all got together and decided to do an organized bycott and maybe take the issue to the courts they’d have a chance, I mean, it’s not like they like the MAFIAA any more than we do but they can’t simply go rogue with their business.

Plus if we want them to take us as serious collective of smart people with principles we need to act better than that, The Pirate Bay’s suggestions are a great place to start and the way to generate change in a positive way.
NewClear

The pirate bay has spoken blasphemy! Quick, anonymous! DDOS them!
- you really are
  
  you are a dick!
  - NewClear
    
    You sir, have just been trolled.
    - Tgyvytfytf
      
      Using “You sir,” templates makes you look like a fucking asstard. GTFO
    - NewClear
      
      Who the hell are you? “Tgyvytfytf” Anybody? If you like to randomly blow your load, ill see you on 4chan. Otherwise, cut the crap because your brusque personality will end up killing you at a young age.
- Anonymous
  
  We already have
  
  -Anonymous
  
  Edit: You should not listen to anonymous, because it’s a large group of fat pricks who know not the most appropriate actions, and because of the large and ever shifting ‘fanbase’ that it is, nobody can be held accountable for the actions it does take.
  
  Edit: All actions Anonymous takes are poorly thought out and accomplish little to nothing, only words, “But thinking…” no, Anon is for those who are incapable of dealing with the world and changing it for the better.
AAR

they have to dissaprove, behind the scenes they love it
- Curious
  
  Nobody forced them to put out a PR statement condoning it.
- Guest
  
  No, they don’t. The Pirate Bay are opposed to censorship, and like it or not DDoS attacks ARE censorship. Attacking the MAFIAA is one thing, attacking a ISP for simply complying with a court order handed to them from the High Court is another!
Fokcispa

I totally agree with townie and AAR, fuck ISP that deny what their customers are paying, I wonder when this is going to stop, maybe its just a circus, the obvious problems are getting worse and worse
Hotfuzz72

Hey peeps come on now let’s keep this civil, hey what the heck I don’t know what all the fuss is about TPB is still accessable I can access it no problems you just gotta get around the blocking software which fortunatly I now how , Would put details here of how I get through the blocking software and what routes to take but if i did that i would be i would be giving away my secrets and probably have L.E.A banging on my door,.

JUST USE YOUR BRAIN’S AND CHILL DUDE’S.
Anonymous

A new bittorrent protocol is a good idea, but we’d still be hiding from an unjust law. How about reforming Copyright. Now there’s a worthy goal. Copyright infringers are already showing how the law is in error. I reckon if someone writes a law then everyone ignores it, there’s two options; try to punish everyone or admit the law is in error and reform it
- BuildingWalls
  
  No, there’s a third option: To take away your ability to act in specific ways, that is, to take away your freedoms, just as they are doing.
  - Anonymous
    
    You’re right… and you know what? Punishment is out in the open. It uses laws etc etc. The taking away of freedoms (if it is not a punishment) has to be done with stealth. Slowly and quietly. If everyone who knows its happening makes a noise about it, it makes it harder to do it.
Hgh

Pirate Bay down for some reason? I smell conspiracy.
- Anonymous
  
  its online here
Antiddos

At the end of the day the more the ISP’s get DDos’d the less of a service your going to get from the provider – if their systems and servers are unable to run effieciently all your doing is killing users ability to have faster speeds and secure internet connections in this case Virgin. – If you really musty use a DDos attack on someone – use it on the companies that are causing the issues. – the MPAA RIAA or whatever other Acronym they decide to run with for the day!. not our ISP’s and not our service as users.
The Great And Powerful Turtle

The block was a failure anyway im on Virgin and it took me about 5mins to get around it..respect to Anonymous but targeting the ISP was a misstep
Anonymous

Educate people on who the good independent artists are (you know, the ones that aren’t suing their fans and aren’t lobbying politicians to artificially keep monopolies alive through legislating away our rights and freedom).

It is the only way. Make sure everyone, especially teenagers know… if it’s from the big labels… it’s fake and fucking lame.
- blah
  
  Whilst you’re at it get a load of independent artists, software developers, writers etc who distribute their work via the Pirate Bay to club together and write a letter to the judge who made the ruling, the newspapers and the government and tell them how this block interferes with their fundamental right of freedom of expression. DDOSing ISPs who have no choice but to comply with a legal ruling is not the answer. Whilst I respect Anonymous for some of the things they do, this is not one of them, as it potentially harms the end users and only adds fuel to the government demands for more restrictive internet laws and intrusive monitoring.
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wtf

this is why you’re blocking TPB? come on, anon -.-
- http://profile.yahoo.com/HLR7JDKDQIPKAMJYCZ7PMZBDH4 Alex
  
  Anonymous didn’t do this. I was actually in the chat room for Anons and we were frantically trying to find out who was DDoSing TPB and blaming it on us. Currently, we think it was “Anonymous Nyre”, a highly anti-Anonymous “hacker” who tried taking it down because it was one of the places Anonymous posts information.
  
  Here is some of the information we were able to get on him:
  Nick: Anonymous NyreTwitter: https://twitter.com/#!/AnonNyreReason: http://pastebin.com/j0PLqynPTPB logs: http://pastebin.com/8n0MDah8Nmap of 204.89.131.83: http://pastebin.com/avBSkqan
  
  So in no way would Anonymous DDoS TPB. We may not agree with TPB in their views of DDoS, but we would NEVER DDoS them! Especially them! We stand for an open internet, so do they. Why the fuck would we try to hurt TPB!?
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Hater of Script Kiddies

Idiot Script Kiddies. Get a job. Oh you make fun of us, we will get our group of emo script kiddies to ddos you. Oh no! None of us can even so much as program something relatively intelligent on our own, so we will act like bad asses. The scum of the earth, lazy, arrogant bastards who want to be the center of attention through proxy.

The new “hip” thing to do, conform to all the people screaming non-conformity. fit their ideals exactly and push the buttons they tell you. Nice social club.
Almighty Sapling

I keep hearing the argument that Virgin is “just following a Court Order” but I have a serious problem with this view: if the court mandated that you rip out all your teeth, would you? No. Why? Because the court does NOT have the right to order you to do such a thing. There is a reason bills like SOPA/PIPA/ACTA exist: because the government does not have the power to censor websites, and it wants to get that power. Until these laws are passed, the order is invalid. When these laws are passed, then the government is truly and fully corrupt, admits that it cares not for the people but for corporations, and at this point breaking the law becomes a necessity. If people have to die, then so be it.
- :|
  
  Government and Corporations have been best buddies since like…forever, with or without any draconian bills.
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