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		<title>By: gelidadalt</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-478859</link>
		<dc:creator>gelidadalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ISP (Net Virtua) in Brazil shapes my bandwidth even befora I reach my quota. I am really upset about, called them a thousand times and they say nothing is wrong with it. Totally dening. The worst thing is that it is still the best ISP in my city, so I have to put up with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ISP (Net Virtua) in Brazil shapes my bandwidth even befora I reach my quota. I am really upset about, called them a thousand times and they say nothing is wrong with it. Totally dening. The worst thing is that it is still the best ISP in my city, so I have to put up with it.</p>
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		<title>By: AnarchistGenius</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-382903</link>
		<dc:creator>AnarchistGenius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First and foremost, we&#039;re talking about legal monopolies engaging in a practice that effectively locks out consumers from getting the product they want.  Why not get rid of public policy that prevents electricity companies from charging too much, or cigarette companies from advertising their products as &quot;healthy,&quot; or let meat-processing plants include human blood and feces in their canned product?  Oh, wait, that&#039;s right -- because getting rid of the regulations that control the industry means sacrificing an invaluable service to the public.

As Peter Griffin said, &quot;What kind of world are we living in where we can&#039;t even trust the oil companies anymore?&quot;  But it&#039;s not just oil cartels that hold legal monopolies over billions of people.  It&#039;s communication industries.  And if you don&#039;t like the products they offer, if they shut you out, if they turn off your water and electricity and heat because you don&#039;t like THEIR TERMS, THEIR PRODUCTS, AND THEIR SERVICE AGREEMENT, then you can go without it.  That&#039;s a free market, baby!  It means you have no choice.

Naturally, the problem to this isn&#039;t going to come through technology.  We actually need to overthrow the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First and foremost, we&#8217;re talking about legal monopolies engaging in a practice that effectively locks out consumers from getting the product they want.  Why not get rid of public policy that prevents electricity companies from charging too much, or cigarette companies from advertising their products as &#8220;healthy,&#8221; or let meat-processing plants include human blood and feces in their canned product?  Oh, wait, that&#8217;s right &#8212; because getting rid of the regulations that control the industry means sacrificing an invaluable service to the public.</p>
<p>As Peter Griffin said, &#8220;What kind of world are we living in where we can&#8217;t even trust the oil companies anymore?&#8221;  But it&#8217;s not just oil cartels that hold legal monopolies over billions of people.  It&#8217;s communication industries.  And if you don&#8217;t like the products they offer, if they shut you out, if they turn off your water and electricity and heat because you don&#8217;t like THEIR TERMS, THEIR PRODUCTS, AND THEIR SERVICE AGREEMENT, then you can go without it.  That&#8217;s a free market, baby!  It means you have no choice.</p>
<p>Naturally, the problem to this isn&#8217;t going to come through technology.  We actually need to overthrow the state.</p>
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		<title>By: mml</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-382248</link>
		<dc:creator>mml</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here in France, isp don&#039;t face those problems (up to now) and some of them provide 20mbps for about 35$ per monthâ€¦&quot;

Are you fucking kidding me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here in France, isp don&#8217;t face those problems (up to now) and some of them provide 20mbps for about 35$ per monthâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you fucking kidding me?</p>
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		<title>By: X</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-382245</link>
		<dc:creator>X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here in saudi arabia we have unlimited connection 1-10mb i am paying 65$  a month for unlimited 1mb (afaq dsl shameel) which i think is okay but the bad thing is i am kind of experiencing traffic shaping...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here in saudi arabia we have unlimited connection 1-10mb i am paying 65$  a month for unlimited 1mb (afaq dsl shameel) which i think is okay but the bad thing is i am kind of experiencing traffic shaping&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Asoke</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-251911</link>
		<dc:creator>Asoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to get around this issue. Purchase a VPN at http://www.strongvpn.com or the Relak place. They are cheap, and provide security too. My issues were gone, and I have other uses for it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to get around this issue. Purchase a VPN at <a href="http://www.strongvpn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.strongvpn.com</a> or the Relak place. They are cheap, and provide security too. My issues were gone, and I have other uses for it too.</p>
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		<title>By: danish guy</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-212398</link>
		<dc:creator>danish guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i got a 10/1 mbit connection and its unlimted i pay 350kr a mounth.. but you could use relakss (secure vpn) and   you and you will be could use you internet at fast speed they cant limit  this one https://www.relakks.com/?cid=gb&amp;PHPSESSID=bdd9022cb706405f54f1ea104bffbaab&amp;PHPSESSID=bdd9022cb706405f54f1ea104bffbaab</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i got a 10/1 mbit connection and its unlimted i pay 350kr a mounth.. but you could use relakss (secure vpn) and   you and you will be could use you internet at fast speed they cant limit  this one <a href="https://www.relakks.com/?cid=gb&amp;PHPSESSID=bdd9022cb706405f54f1ea104bffbaab&amp;PHPSESSID=bdd9022cb706405f54f1ea104bffbaab" rel="nofollow">https://www.relakks.com/?cid=gb&amp;PHPSESSID=bdd9022cb706405f54f1ea104bffbaab&amp;PHPSESSID=bdd9022cb706405f54f1ea104bffbaab</a></p>
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		<title>By: Draicone</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-148561</link>
		<dc:creator>Draicone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the way we explain it to our customers is like an &#039;$5.99 all you can eat buffet&#039;. If you pay your $6, and eat a reasonable amount, no problem.
...
Where this falls apart with internet usage is that 10% of your users belly up to the salad bar, pay their $6 and then eat 1000 lbs of food. It&#039;s not that the restaurant is mean or evil or stupid, but that&#039;s just not a sustainable business model.&quot;

So you slow down your refilling of the pasta and salad bars so much that nobody gets a decent meal with pasta or salad, while leaving the desserts plentiful? I appreciate that ISPs need to shape traffic, but blanket shaping is the only way they can do it. And if they blanket shape, they need to make it very clear to their users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the way we explain it to our customers is like an &#8216;$5.99 all you can eat buffet&#8217;. If you pay your $6, and eat a reasonable amount, no problem.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Where this falls apart with internet usage is that 10% of your users belly up to the salad bar, pay their $6 and then eat 1000 lbs of food. It&#8217;s not that the restaurant is mean or evil or stupid, but that&#8217;s just not a sustainable business model.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you slow down your refilling of the pasta and salad bars so much that nobody gets a decent meal with pasta or salad, while leaving the desserts plentiful? I appreciate that ISPs need to shape traffic, but blanket shaping is the only way they can do it. And if they blanket shape, they need to make it very clear to their users.</p>
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		<title>By: reqreq</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-148453</link>
		<dc:creator>reqreq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An ISP shouldn&#039;t care what protocol is being used. Nobody wants to buy protocols. People want to buy a effin connection. They should be able to use it 24-7 100% at whatever they want. 
Otherwise the ISP should be obligated to put their limitations along with the advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An ISP shouldn&#8217;t care what protocol is being used. Nobody wants to buy protocols. People want to buy a effin connection. They should be able to use it 24-7 100% at whatever they want.<br />
Otherwise the ISP should be obligated to put their limitations along with the advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: zxcasd</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-145141</link>
		<dc:creator>zxcasd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also... i forgot to add, the speed that ur torrent client shows is NOT the actual amount of data passing through your modem. get a bandwidth monitor program, u&#039;ll see that the actual data transfering is about 10% more... due to the fact that ur torrent client has to send/receive data for syncing with other clients

if u have a 10mbps connection, figuring the above crap and other factors, be happy if you get 900kb/s.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also&#8230; i forgot to add, the speed that ur torrent client shows is NOT the actual amount of data passing through your modem. get a bandwidth monitor program, u&#8217;ll see that the actual data transfering is about 10% more&#8230; due to the fact that ur torrent client has to send/receive data for syncing with other clients</p>
<p>if u have a 10mbps connection, figuring the above crap and other factors, be happy if you get 900kb/s&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: zxcasd</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-145138</link>
		<dc:creator>zxcasd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have a 7mbps connection(thru triple play), my ISP doesnt seem to limit connection as far as i can tell, cause i can hit about 700kilobytes/s during peak hours for http and maybe 500kilobtyes/s bittorrent depending on the seed/peers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have a 7mbps connection(thru triple play), my ISP doesnt seem to limit connection as far as i can tell, cause i can hit about 700kilobytes/s during peak hours for http and maybe 500kilobtyes/s bittorrent depending on the seed/peers&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-136444</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the big moneymakers will always fuck the rest or did u expect anything else?.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the big moneymakers will always fuck the rest or did u expect anything else?&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: woopy_cushy</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-101637</link>
		<dc:creator>woopy_cushy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 01:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well guys I have a few things to say. I have been using Verizon DSL for 3 years now. They started throttling my connection about a few months ago. No problem. I used uTorrent&#039;s nifty encryption feature. I got through that. 

The real problem, however, is that they will now block www.demonoid.com&#039;s site and trackers. Most of the quality torrents available online use demonoid. Now I cannot upload my stuff and my good torrents are dying. 

I can still manage my accounts but whenever there is a good torrent, I cannot download it because it has the demonoid tracker in it.

For this, I will be switching to Cablevision. I live in NY, and most of the people in my county are using  Cablevision or Time Warner. 

Verizon DSL advertises 3mbs. I get 1mbs. Cablevision advertises 10mb, I get 10mb. Point is here, you give what you advertise or you don&#039;t fucking advertise it at all. 


FUCK YOU VERIZON AND STICK YOUR FINGER UP YOUR ASS, BECAUSE I&#039;M SWITCHING TO CABLE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well guys I have a few things to say. I have been using Verizon DSL for 3 years now. They started throttling my connection about a few months ago. No problem. I used uTorrent&#8217;s nifty encryption feature. I got through that. </p>
<p>The real problem, however, is that they will now block <a href="http://www.demonoid.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.demonoid.com</a>&#8217;s site and trackers. Most of the quality torrents available online use demonoid. Now I cannot upload my stuff and my good torrents are dying. </p>
<p>I can still manage my accounts but whenever there is a good torrent, I cannot download it because it has the demonoid tracker in it.</p>
<p>For this, I will be switching to Cablevision. I live in NY, and most of the people in my county are using  Cablevision or Time Warner. </p>
<p>Verizon DSL advertises 3mbs. I get 1mbs. Cablevision advertises 10mb, I get 10mb. Point is here, you give what you advertise or you don&#8217;t fucking advertise it at all. </p>
<p>FUCK YOU VERIZON AND STICK YOUR FINGER UP YOUR ASS, BECAUSE I&#8217;M SWITCHING TO CABLE.</p>
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		<title>By: sonar_killa</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-97131</link>
		<dc:creator>sonar_killa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 17:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, iÂ´ve been reading this thread, and i find interesting that the ISPÂ´s say that over 75% their of bandwidth traffic is consumed by p2p...

Then, shouldnÂ´t they just double their bandwidth, without immediatly start seeling higher speeds services to end users?

i mean... if they just got larger bandwidth, they should just remain seeling 8/10/20/(whatever) mbps connections they already have, instead of start seeling 20/30/40/etc mbps connections to clients.

In my case, just a few days ago my BT speeds where abou 600/800 KBps (steady!!), and now iÂ´m lucky if i get 200KBps (dropping all the time).

I will just cancel my service, get another, cheaper isp, and in a few months get the other again, because iÂ´ve notice that in the first few months everything is fine, and then they start Shaping.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, iÂ´ve been reading this thread, and i find interesting that the ISPÂ´s say that over 75% their of bandwidth traffic is consumed by p2p&#8230;</p>
<p>Then, shouldnÂ´t they just double their bandwidth, without immediatly start seeling higher speeds services to end users?</p>
<p>i mean&#8230; if they just got larger bandwidth, they should just remain seeling 8/10/20/(whatever) mbps connections they already have, instead of start seeling 20/30/40/etc mbps connections to clients.</p>
<p>In my case, just a few days ago my BT speeds where abou 600/800 KBps (steady!!), and now iÂ´m lucky if i get 200KBps (dropping all the time).</p>
<p>I will just cancel my service, get another, cheaper isp, and in a few months get the other again, because iÂ´ve notice that in the first few months everything is fine, and then they start Shaping.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Nunya</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-85250</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok guys, let&#039;s get it straight. We pay for service. THEY tell US it is unlimited, BUT if we use BT or anything else, I&#039;m convinced they are limiting EVERYTHING. How many of you having problems with your BT also have problems ( when it isn&#039;t on ) with other things, such as WoW or any other game or hell, Windows Updates even? You pay for 5MB but you get diddly. That&#039;s my main complaint, I pay for the service, give it to me. Don&#039;t limit me, or cut my connection down. If I have 3 computers running, don&#039;t make it impossible on everyone to do something at the same time. 

For the people out there that are for the ISP&#039;s.... get real is all I can say. We pay for what they claim to be giving us. Why don&#039;t they tell the truth, scared we won&#039;t buy? Scared someone elses &quot;truth&quot; will be better than theirs? That&#039;s how it seems based on everything I&#039;ve heard. 

What if Water company began to limit. Yes, you&#039;ve flushed too much shit down the toilet in the past week, so we&#039;re going to cut your flow down to 5 flushes per week which WE feel should be acceptable so everyone else can flush theirs without a backlog. That&#039;s about how stupid this sounds. 

Give me what you say you&#039;re giving me at the cost you quote me. So many have said that, but some of you don&#039;t seem to be getting it. Is it so hard for ISP&#039;s or any other company to actually - God forbid - do what they say they&#039;re going to do? You call it illegal, how about giving some of us the right to see or hear something before we buy to make sure we want it? How about allowing us to download our programs when the software ( we&#039;ve purchased and have codes for ) gets lost, stolen or damaged? Is it your business what I do with my damn connection? Don&#039;t screw me for doing with my service in my home what I want. Does anyone do anything to you when you buy xxx videos 5 times a night on On Demand or PPV? I don&#039;t think so. Why don&#039;t people go after the kiddy perverts online instead and get rid of the real a-holes of the internet instead of wasting peoples time with this load of horse crap? I PAY, GIVE ME THE SERVICE IT SAYS I&#039;M TO HAVE!!! Hell, I didn&#039;t make the contract. Geez........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok guys, let&#8217;s get it straight. We pay for service. THEY tell US it is unlimited, BUT if we use BT or anything else, I&#8217;m convinced they are limiting EVERYTHING. How many of you having problems with your BT also have problems ( when it isn&#8217;t on ) with other things, such as WoW or any other game or hell, Windows Updates even? You pay for 5MB but you get diddly. That&#8217;s my main complaint, I pay for the service, give it to me. Don&#8217;t limit me, or cut my connection down. If I have 3 computers running, don&#8217;t make it impossible on everyone to do something at the same time. </p>
<p>For the people out there that are for the ISP&#8217;s&#8230;. get real is all I can say. We pay for what they claim to be giving us. Why don&#8217;t they tell the truth, scared we won&#8217;t buy? Scared someone elses &#8220;truth&#8221; will be better than theirs? That&#8217;s how it seems based on everything I&#8217;ve heard. </p>
<p>What if Water company began to limit. Yes, you&#8217;ve flushed too much shit down the toilet in the past week, so we&#8217;re going to cut your flow down to 5 flushes per week which WE feel should be acceptable so everyone else can flush theirs without a backlog. That&#8217;s about how stupid this sounds. </p>
<p>Give me what you say you&#8217;re giving me at the cost you quote me. So many have said that, but some of you don&#8217;t seem to be getting it. Is it so hard for ISP&#8217;s or any other company to actually &#8211; God forbid &#8211; do what they say they&#8217;re going to do? You call it illegal, how about giving some of us the right to see or hear something before we buy to make sure we want it? How about allowing us to download our programs when the software ( we&#8217;ve purchased and have codes for ) gets lost, stolen or damaged? Is it your business what I do with my damn connection? Don&#8217;t screw me for doing with my service in my home what I want. Does anyone do anything to you when you buy xxx videos 5 times a night on On Demand or PPV? I don&#8217;t think so. Why don&#8217;t people go after the kiddy perverts online instead and get rid of the real a-holes of the internet instead of wasting peoples time with this load of horse crap? I PAY, GIVE ME THE SERVICE IT SAYS I&#8217;M TO HAVE!!! Hell, I didn&#8217;t make the contract. Geez&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Boon</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-75500</link>
		<dc:creator>Boon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>33: Not every one lives in America or the UK. In Malaysia its a handful of shit ISPs they provide shitty services and lie to you consistently. 

Anyhow the debate on packet shaping will rage on. Packet shaping will just lead to real pirates getting rich those selling copied dvds etc bootleg of some other sorts. The fact is not everyone earns Benjamins or Euros or big currencies some earn toilet paper like myself such as ringgit. Where the hell could you afford anything original ? 

The world isnt fair and even, but piracy bridges that gap. Normal Joe Blogs in Malaysia wants to watch 300 that isnt cut to shreds by their censorship board, and who cant afford the dvd that costs 20 to 30 USD. Whats the option?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33: Not every one lives in America or the UK. In Malaysia its a handful of shit ISPs they provide shitty services and lie to you consistently. </p>
<p>Anyhow the debate on packet shaping will rage on. Packet shaping will just lead to real pirates getting rich those selling copied dvds etc bootleg of some other sorts. The fact is not everyone earns Benjamins or Euros or big currencies some earn toilet paper like myself such as ringgit. Where the hell could you afford anything original ? </p>
<p>The world isnt fair and even, but piracy bridges that gap. Normal Joe Blogs in Malaysia wants to watch 300 that isnt cut to shreds by their censorship board, and who cant afford the dvd that costs 20 to 30 USD. Whats the option?</p>
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		<title>By: 0n1n3</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-50324</link>
		<dc:creator>0n1n3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont understand what the problem is. How can you use up that much traffic and why are you limiting yourself to such cheap connections. My ISP offers substantial bandwidth at an acceptable price and I p2p but I dont p2p 20 things at the same time and I think for most of you that is the problem. Solution: Get a better ISP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont understand what the problem is. How can you use up that much traffic and why are you limiting yourself to such cheap connections. My ISP offers substantial bandwidth at an acceptable price and I p2p but I dont p2p 20 things at the same time and I think for most of you that is the problem. Solution: Get a better ISP.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete22</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-49613</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one more thing. When the ISP throttles the bandwidth to provide service for their other customer&#039;s needs that&#039;s stealing.  They sold you the bandwidth and are giving it to someone else.  If you would like to argue that they can&#039;t be expected to keep unlimited amounts of bandwidth for a potential draw than don&#039;t sell bandwidth.  Just like vacation homes, or hotel rooms, overbooking is illegal.  (Although I cant speak to the airline industry.  In other countries it is illegal but from what I see on tv ethics and morals really are sort of things airlines feel apply to them. But they still have to refund your money without denying you another flight.) You can&#039;t sell 2 people the same horse just because you think one wont pick it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one more thing. When the ISP throttles the bandwidth to provide service for their other customer&#8217;s needs that&#8217;s stealing.  They sold you the bandwidth and are giving it to someone else.  If you would like to argue that they can&#8217;t be expected to keep unlimited amounts of bandwidth for a potential draw than don&#8217;t sell bandwidth.  Just like vacation homes, or hotel rooms, overbooking is illegal.  (Although I cant speak to the airline industry.  In other countries it is illegal but from what I see on tv ethics and morals really are sort of things airlines feel apply to them. But they still have to refund your money without denying you another flight.) You can&#8217;t sell 2 people the same horse just because you think one wont pick it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete22</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-49605</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you need to debate this. The local wires and infrastructure that deliver your service on are generally accepted as a vital public interest regulated if not technically owned by your local municipality. ISPs are basically, if not legally, then in practicality a publicly regulated utility similar to the public airways. THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS and no right to discriminate when where or how much the service is used.  I addition to this there are no &quot;points of view&quot; when it comes to honesty.  Whatever excuse you have when you sell something under the pretext of a large quantity knowing you will not provide more than is convenient for your proposes that&#039;s fraud. Just because your competitors are telling the same lies or you realistically cant provide that kind of service doesn&#039;t change the fact you are committing fraud.  If you can&#039;t provide that kind of service improve or market the one you can. If you cant do either of those get out of the business and let someone who can deliver to the customers what they clearly wanted and paid for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you need to debate this. The local wires and infrastructure that deliver your service on are generally accepted as a vital public interest regulated if not technically owned by your local municipality. ISPs are basically, if not legally, then in practicality a publicly regulated utility similar to the public airways. THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS and no right to discriminate when where or how much the service is used.  I addition to this there are no &#8220;points of view&#8221; when it comes to honesty.  Whatever excuse you have when you sell something under the pretext of a large quantity knowing you will not provide more than is convenient for your proposes that&#8217;s fraud. Just because your competitors are telling the same lies or you realistically cant provide that kind of service doesn&#8217;t change the fact you are committing fraud.  If you can&#8217;t provide that kind of service improve or market the one you can. If you cant do either of those get out of the business and let someone who can deliver to the customers what they clearly wanted and paid for.</p>
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		<title>By: Scorp</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-48126</link>
		<dc:creator>Scorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to Rogers meeting minutes and save it for reference in case it will disappear :
http://www.rbua.org/meetings/rcmeet5-responses.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to Rogers meeting minutes and save it for reference in case it will disappear :<br />
<a href="http://www.rbua.org/meetings/rcmeet5-responses.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.rbua.org/meetings/rcmeet5-responses.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scorp</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/traffic-shaping-good-or-bad/#comment-48125</link>
		<dc:creator>Scorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rogers Canada decided not to upgrade old system so they cut bandwidth to half and sign up double the people. They try to do this quietly by not talking about this. Also they slow down any large file download. To the point, that when I started to download Adobe reader and right away Quick time player to update, the second download was waiting until firs one finished and then downloaded and never went over 100kb/s. Also SKYPE phone test for bandwidth resulted in not enough bandwith. Speed test showed I have 40-120 kb/s speeds. We are getting hunted I tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rogers Canada decided not to upgrade old system so they cut bandwidth to half and sign up double the people. They try to do this quietly by not talking about this. Also they slow down any large file download. To the point, that when I started to download Adobe reader and right away Quick time player to update, the second download was waiting until firs one finished and then downloaded and never went over 100kb/s. Also SKYPE phone test for bandwidth resulted in not enough bandwith. Speed test showed I have 40-120 kb/s speeds. We are getting hunted I tell you.</p>
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