As Peter Griffin said, “What kind of world are we living in where we can’t even trust the oil companies anymore?” But it’s not just oil cartels that hold legal monopolies over billions of people. It’s communication industries. And if you don’t like the products they offer, if they shut you out, if they turn off your water and electricity and heat because you don’t like THEIR TERMS, THEIR PRODUCTS, AND THEIR SERVICE AGREEMENT, then you can go without it. That’s a free market, baby! It means you have no choice.

Naturally, the problem to this isn’t going to come through technology. We actually need to overthrow the state.

Are you fucking kidding me?

So you slow down your refilling of the pasta and salad bars so much that nobody gets a decent meal with pasta or salad, while leaving the desserts plentiful? I appreciate that ISPs need to shape traffic, but blanket shaping is the only way they can do it. And if they blanket shape, they need to make it very clear to their users.

if u have a 10mbps connection, figuring the above crap and other factors, be happy if you get 900kb/s…..

The real problem, however, is that they will now block http://www.demonoid.com‘s site and trackers. Most of the quality torrents available online use demonoid. Now I cannot upload my stuff and my good torrents are dying.

I can still manage my accounts but whenever there is a good torrent, I cannot download it because it has the demonoid tracker in it.

For this, I will be switching to Cablevision. I live in NY, and most of the people in my county are using Cablevision or Time Warner.

Verizon DSL advertises 3mbs. I get 1mbs. Cablevision advertises 10mb, I get 10mb. Point is here, you give what you advertise or you don’t fucking advertise it at all.

FUCK YOU VERIZON AND STICK YOUR FINGER UP YOUR ASS, BECAUSE I’M SWITCHING TO CABLE.

Then, shouldn´t they just double their bandwidth, without immediatly start seeling higher speeds services to end users?

i mean… if they just got larger bandwidth, they should just remain seeling 8/10/20/(whatever) mbps connections they already have, instead of start seeling 20/30/40/etc mbps connections to clients.

In my case, just a few days ago my BT speeds where abou 600/800 KBps (steady!!), and now i´m lucky if i get 200KBps (dropping all the time).

I will just cancel my service, get another, cheaper isp, and in a few months get the other again, because i´ve notice that in the first few months everything is fine, and then they start Shaping.

Peace

For the people out there that are for the ISP’s…. get real is all I can say. We pay for what they claim to be giving us. Why don’t they tell the truth, scared we won’t buy? Scared someone elses “truth” will be better than theirs? That’s how it seems based on everything I’ve heard.

What if Water company began to limit. Yes, you’ve flushed too much shit down the toilet in the past week, so we’re going to cut your flow down to 5 flushes per week which WE feel should be acceptable so everyone else can flush theirs without a backlog. That’s about how stupid this sounds.

Give me what you say you’re giving me at the cost you quote me. So many have said that, but some of you don’t seem to be getting it. Is it so hard for ISP’s or any other company to actually – God forbid – do what they say they’re going to do? You call it illegal, how about giving some of us the right to see or hear something before we buy to make sure we want it? How about allowing us to download our programs when the software ( we’ve purchased and have codes for ) gets lost, stolen or damaged? Is it your business what I do with my damn connection? Don’t screw me for doing with my service in my home what I want. Does anyone do anything to you when you buy xxx videos 5 times a night on On Demand or PPV? I don’t think so. Why don’t people go after the kiddy perverts online instead and get rid of the real a-holes of the internet instead of wasting peoples time with this load of horse crap? I PAY, GIVE ME THE SERVICE IT SAYS I’M TO HAVE!!! Hell, I didn’t make the contract. Geez……..

Anyhow the debate on packet shaping will rage on. Packet shaping will just lead to real pirates getting rich those selling copied dvds etc bootleg of some other sorts. The fact is not everyone earns Benjamins or Euros or big currencies some earn toilet paper like myself such as ringgit. Where the hell could you afford anything original ?

The world isnt fair and even, but piracy bridges that gap. Normal Joe Blogs in Malaysia wants to watch 300 that isnt cut to shreds by their censorship board, and who cant afford the dvd that costs 20 to 30 USD. Whats the option?

If Im paying an ISP, they better tell me i cant use my connection for what i want.

Torrents have a big potential for revolutionizing _legal_ content distribution, look at things like World of Warcrafts patch distribution and many linux iso’s. I remember a few years ago when Counter Strike would release a new version and for a few days it was incredibly hard to get the new version because all the mirrors were bogged down. With bittorrent this wouldn’t have been a problem.

Limiting programs like bittorrent will leave us stuck with our current problematic system, where it costs the average user too much to publish anything like a video to a wide audience – the costs scale pretty uniform with the amount of users that get the content.

That’s why bram cohen designed bittorrent in the first place – it is supposed to keep the internet near free for publishing. Contrary to popular belief it had nothing to do with pirating things.

If bittorrent is targeted specifically for limiting it will largely destroy it’s original idea and point.

(this post is very badly hacked together sorry, I don’t have the time to edit it properly)[/quote]

spoken like a true pirate

Anyone with a real mind should realize that most torrents if not all are an illegal distribution of software and movies and games period.
The heavy users are d/l pirated items which should not be supported.

To argue about distro for linux for d/l is not a valid point.

P2P is a cancer in the network and causes grief to other end users who are on a shared network….oh but its their god given right to downlaod illegal pirated items???
I think not, you want software or music…belly up and pay for it!!

Netenforcer is an awesome tool for packet shaping and helps equalizse traffic for all users.

why should an ISP support this? it is not legal.

End user calls: “my internet is slow” cable co: “well your service was affecting others on the network”

end user: “well surfing is fine and so is email but I can`t d/l music fast”
Cable Co: “are you using a special program to do that?”
End user: ” well I use Bit Torrent”
Cable Co: “sorry we cannot support that”

Easy 1…2…3

The whiney babies cannot get their illegal content….to freakin bad!

you guys that are having problems with your routers resetting. i just want to say that I also have a router which has reset yet. But i know for fact that my brand of router is unable to handle too many global connection. I use both utorrent and Azureus. just try a limit how many global connections you have per torrent and see if that helps. Although, a upgrade may be even better. I wish I could at this time.

you guys that are having problems with your routers resetting. i just want to say that I also have a router which has reset yet. But i know for fact that my brand of router is unable to handle too many global connection. I use both utorrent and Azureus. just try a limit how many global connections you have per torrent and see if that helps.

“if I allow that 10% of users to use up 90% of my network resources – then I’m not doing my job for the other 90% of paying customers that want good, reliable service”

My ISP servers slots were full, and there’s plenty people waiting on queue to get a ADSL broadband. While others user download endlessly torrents at full speed and the net still surfable. What kind of statement is that? He have poor adjustability?

“You have to remember there are two sides to everything. The ISP’s aren’t out to make your life miserable, they’re just looking out for the performance of their networks.”

Internet is one of the good way to allowing us share files, and if an ISP just want to keep those performance for thier own. They are scamming. Customers did not get that what they’re paid for.

“P2P applications can cripple a network, they’re like leaches. They consume all available bandwidth for endless periods of time. What I think will eventually happen is users will start having to pay for transfer. No more unlimited connections”

‘Unlimited’ bandwidth meant for all kinds of bandwidths use by all kinds of protocols. If someone changing this meaning to something else, they should not put ‘Unlimited’ and therefore should make it specific.

“Where this falls apart with internet usage is that 10% of your users belly up to the salad bar, pay their $6 and then eat 1000 lbs of food. It’s not that the restaurant is mean or evil or stupid, but that’s just not a sustainable business model. If you were the business owner, you’d have an ‘acceptable use policy’ for your All-you-can-eat-buffet, and that’s really no different that what the ISP’s are trying to do.”

When a guy actually ABLE to eat that much, there’s no reasonable way to stop him to eat what he wanted as is a All-You-Can-Eat buffet and he paid for it. This is only an example. Computer users have plenty of HDD space where unlimited data can be stored and burn to discs. Therefore there’s no such a good reason stopping them from using all those avaliable bandwidth as they ABLE to use it. That’s also why if he meant for “not a sustainable business model” he should not put “All-You-Can-Eat buffet”. Therefore “Unlimited Broadband Plan”
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I’m certainly know that those ISPs seeing thier customers are taking good advantages over from thier network. And wanted to charge further more. There’s no reason stopping them doing so, but agian there will be some ISPs that have perfect shaping adjustments. And will taking 10% of thier customers from those heavily traffic shaped ISPs. If only those users know how to take the advantages, i’m sure anyone from 10 to 50 will do the same. And as my prediction that’s perhaps 40 to 70% of the ISP customers.

ps There will be a solution and fights going on and on endlessly…[/quote]

I signed up with TMNET ADSL 1M plan. So do you have alternative solution. Would be great if we can discuss this more

“if I allow that 10% of users to use up 90% of my network resources – then I’m not doing my job for the other 90% of paying customers that want good, reliable service”

My ISP servers slots were full, and there’s plenty people waiting on queue to get a ADSL broadband. While others user download endlessly torrents at full speed and the net still surfable. What kind of statement is that? He have poor adjustability?

“You have to remember there are two sides to everything. The ISP’s aren’t out to make your life miserable, they’re just looking out for the performance of their networks.”

Internet is one of the good way to allowing us share files, and if an ISP just want to keep those performance for thier own. They are scamming. Customers did not get that what they’re paid for.

“P2P applications can cripple a network, they’re like leaches. They consume all available bandwidth for endless periods of time. What I think will eventually happen is users will start having to pay for transfer. No more unlimited connections”

‘Unlimited’ bandwidth meant for all kinds of bandwidths use by all kinds of protocols. If someone changing this meaning to something else, they should not put ‘Unlimited’ and therefore should make it specific.

“Where this falls apart with internet usage is that 10% of your users belly up to the salad bar, pay their $6 and then eat 1000 lbs of food. It’s not that the restaurant is mean or evil or stupid, but that’s just not a sustainable business model. If you were the business owner, you’d have an ‘acceptable use policy’ for your All-you-can-eat-buffet, and that’s really no different that what the ISP’s are trying to do.”

When a guy actually ABLE to eat that much, there’s no reasonable way to stop him to eat what he wanted as is a All-You-Can-Eat buffet and he paid for it. This is only an example. Computer users have plenty of HDD space where unlimited data can be stored and burn to discs. Therefore there’s no such a good reason stopping them from using all those avaliable bandwidth as they ABLE to use it. That’s also why if he meant for “not a sustainable business model” he should not put “All-You-Can-Eat buffet”. Therefore “Unlimited Broadband Plan”
—
I’m certainly know that those ISPs seeing thier customers are taking good advantages over from thier network. And wanted to charge further more. There’s no reason stopping them doing so, but agian there will be some ISPs that have perfect shaping adjustments. And will taking 10% of thier customers from those heavily traffic shaped ISPs. If only those users know how to take the advantages, i’m sure anyone from 10 to 50 will do the same. And as my prediction that’s perhaps 40 to 70% of the ISP customers.

ps There will be a solution and fights going on and on endlessly…

Recently they have capped the bandwidth of the 256kbps connections to 140kbps which means I can’t get more than 12-13KByte on a 256Kbps connection, then what do u call that ? Stealing or Whatever ?!!!! And they publicly announce that they have shared each 256kbps with two users .. Like HELL !!

Seems like we still have the lower bandwidth problems to tangle with here , then after these are solved we have to think about Traffic Shaping and etc.

It’s like they expect to sell you N bandwidth, while wishing you’ll only use 1/10 of N, and if you actually use it all (after all you’re paying for it), they get mad and start pulling shit like this out of their hats.

THATS CALLED FALSE ADVERTISING.

IF YOU CAN’T PROVIDE WHAT YOU ARE ADVERTISING TO EVERYONE YOUR A LIAR AND LOOK FOR A LAWSUIT FROM ME IF YOU KEEP IT UP.

PAY THE 3 MILLION BECAUSE IT’LL BE A LOT CHEAPER THAN FALSE ADVERTISING LAWSUITS.

JUST BECAUSE WE PAY 49.99 WELL THAT MIGHT NOT BE A LOT TO A MILLIONAIRE BUT IT IS TO ME, AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO DOWNLOAD WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT. IF YOU GUYS DON”T PROVIDE SOMEONE ELSE WILL AND YOU’LL LOSE OUT.

FUCK YOU SHAW CABLE AND ANY OTHER TRAFFIC SHAPER.

My Isp does not offer any unlimited plans, most plans get shaped after X GB.

Instead of shaping an entire protocol which is rather unfair on good people like me who don’t overleach, they should just shape exact individual user after they have had their fair share.

It keeps the legitimate people happy, and the abusive little leechwhores under control.

(this is probley very all over the place, but i’m tired)

Torrents have a big potential for revolutionizing _legal_ content distribution, look at things like World of Warcrafts patch distribution and many linux iso’s. I remember a few years ago when Counter Strike would release a new version and for a few days it was incredibly hard to get the new version because all the mirrors were bogged down. With bittorrent this wouldn’t have been a problem.

Limiting programs like bittorrent will leave us stuck with our current problematic system, where it costs the average user too much to publish anything like a video to a wide audience – the costs scale pretty uniform with the amount of users that get the content.

That’s why bram cohen designed bittorrent in the first place – it is supposed to keep the internet near free for publishing. Contrary to popular belief it had nothing to do with pirating things.

If bittorrent is targeted specifically for limiting it will largely destroy it’s original idea and point.

(this post is very badly hacked together sorry, I don’t have the time to edit it properly)