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U.S. Govt: Megaupload Users Should Sue Megaupload

The U.S. Government says it’s in no way responsible for the millions of Megaupload users who have lost access to their files due to the criminal proceedings against the file-sharing site. Responding to a motion from one of the site’s users, the Government explains that no “irreparable harm” has been done. Instead of targeting the Government, disadvantaged users should sue Megaupload or its hosting company Carpathia for damages.

mega dataNearly half a year has passed since Megaupload’s servers were raided by the U.S. Government, and still there is no agreement on how former users can retrieve their files.

This prompted Megaupload user Kyle Goodwin, a sports reporter who used Megaupload to store work-related files, to take action. Helped by the EFF, Mr. Goodwin filed a motion in which he demands that the court finds a workable solution for the return of his data, and that of other former Megaupload users.

Previous attempts to come to a solution have all failed.

Hosting company Carpathia agreed to sell Megaupload the servers for $1,000,000 earlier this year, but the U.S. authorities objected to the plan. The Government did not want to unfreeze Megaupload’s assets so the data can be saved.

The MPAA also spoke out against the agreement, but stated last week that users could get their files back as long as copyrighted files remain inaccessible.

The U.S. Government, however, is asking the court to deny the motion of the Megaupload user. Mr. Goodwin has accused the Government of violating the constitutional rights of many innocent Megaupload users through the overbroad seizures of domains and servers, but the Attorney General Neil MacBride disagrees.

“The government does not possess any of Mr. Goodwin’s property, nor does it seek to forfeit it,” MacBride writes.

“The government also does not oppose access by Kyle Goodwin to the 1103 servers previously leased by Megaupload. But access is not the issue – if it was, Mr. Goodwin could simply hire a forensic expert to retrieve what he claims is his property and reimburse Carpathia for its associated costs.”

In other words, the Government says it no longer has control over the servers and that Megaupload users can access them whenever they want. The only problem is that this would cost thousands of dollars, if not more.

The Government doesn’t want to pay for a user data retrieval and doesn’t want Megaupload to pay for it either. The authorities already made backups of what they consider crucial data, and don’t mind if the severs are wiped clean. That Megaupload users lose their files is unfortunate, but the financial loss Mr. Goodwin claims is not considered to be “irreparable harm.”

“One reason that monetary loss does not constitute irreparable harm is that Mr. Goodwin has a legal remedy to recover any monetary losses,” MacBride writes.

“For instance, if Megaupload (by failing to maintain its leased servers with data he uploaded) or Carpathia (by terminating Megaupload’s lease and choosing not to continue to provide access to the servers) violated a term of service or other contract with Mr. Goodwin, he can sue Megaupload or Carpathia to recover his losses.”

Effectively, the U.S. Government is blocking the plans of Megaupload and Carpathia to reunite users with their data, and suggests that affected users like Mr. Goodwin should sue these parties to claim their losses. A rather unusual proposal.

The result is that a user data retrieval looks farther away than ever before.

Unless the court intervenes all existing 25 petabytes of data hosted by Carpathia may have to be destroyed. Currently, the hosting company is losing $9000 per day to keep the data intact.

Aside from the loss of user files that this mass-deletion brings along, Megaupload will also lose access to data that may help the company in its defense against the U.S. Government.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/djdutrow Robert Dutrow

    It’s not MegaUpload’s fault the shit US Government shut down an international site not violating any of it’s domestic laws…

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    • yello

      getting sick of this whole situation…….. you know, the u.s. government….

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      • http://133t.us/gn Angelina M. Braden

         You’ve got the same amount of bids since last time it was posted … nobody is interested in the domain name. http://DailyJobPosition3.notlong.com

        • Sage

          Fuck off with the stupid spam!

      • Guest

        Way too much sodomy going on in the U.S. government. Fuck you america! Fuck you!

        • Anonymous

          ??? Megaupload users should sue the US Government! ???

      • Anonymous

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      • Stax

         the us government is corrupt like most others, So deny access by us govt (cause problem, reaction = sue carpathia, and mega, outcome = neither one is responsable since the us govt blocked all. see :

        “For instance, if Megaupload (by failing to maintain its leased
        servers with data he uploaded) or Carpathia (by terminating Megaupload’s
        lease and choosing not to continue to provide access to the servers)
        violated a term of service or other contract with Mr. Goodwin, he can
        sue Megaupload or Carpathia to recover his losses.”

        Effectively, the U.S. Government is blocking the plans of Megaupload
        and Carpathia to reunite users with their data, and suggests that
        affected users like Mr. Goodwin should sue these parties to claim their
        losses. A rather unusual proposal.

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    • Bloody Tampon

      The jackbooted US government thugs got what they wanted.

      The judge better make riaa/mpaa pay for everything.

    • Anonymous

      The US gov really has a weird sense of humor. I mean are they really all out of ideas??

      This just goes to show you that this is a total troll case! :P

      • Guest

        “The U.S. Government says it’s in no way responsible for the millions of Megaupload users who have lost access to their files ”

        FICHFFFRRFRFRFRFRFRFFRRFFRRRRRRFFRRRRRRRRREEEEEU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        WHAT?????????

        ARE THEY FUCKING KIDDING ME????????

        Ok they owe the judges. These assholes, and treasonous criminals made the separation of power guarantee by the constitution a joke. So what should we do?

        Grab Victoria Espinel and Janet Napolitano, strip them naked, tar and feather them and pile them together like what they did in Guantanamo.

        And for Joe Bitme let hang him dry and high along  his Hollywood and time-Warner friends. Then give what’s left to the vultures.

        After that these Asshole will be out of idea for good!

        • Guest

          Neil MacBride shall be hanged too by the way.

      • Guest

         soon you’ll hear that kimdotcom has sexually molested a girl in sweden and try to extradite and put him in jail!!!!

    • Shitaphor

       ARSONIST: “Nothing to do with me, sue the people who own the building.”

      • Guest

        Got a Law problem that cant be handled by the police?

        Well then sue them!
        All you need as a law and lots of cash, a lawyer and some silly wigs. Put them both in in the oven at 220 degrees for 40 minutes and congratulations, You’ve sued successfully!

        • Guest

           ”All you need as a law(yer)” I always miss a word. I should check it before i send :(

    • Anonymous

      Quite clearly you are wrong. The data sits on servers inside US jurisdiction.
      Now just how stupid of Megaupload was it to keep the data there.

      • Stunkpunk

        No, the servers were not hosted in US jurisdiction. They were seized and moved there.

        • Anonymous

          MU held significant amount of data in the USA IIRC. Feck knows why.

    • http://twitter.com/AlexanderEdbom Alexander Edbom

      Corrupt goverment is corrupt, nothing more to add. Getting money from lobbyism, defending them now and using maffia methods.

    • Guest

       soon you’ll hear that kimdotcom has sexually molested a girl in sweden and try to extradite and put him in jail!!!!

  • Guest

    Can’t say I’d blame Carpathia if they ended up having to delete the data. If they’re losing money, it’s unreasonable to expect them to keep the data for too much time. Since it looks like the government won’t allow the return of the data, it doesn’t look like they’ll be able to stop their losses anytime soon.

    • Anonymous

      Well to be fair Carpathia has already removed the 1103 data servers from their system and at their own expense replaced them with new servers to provide new cloud hosting.

      So those 1103 servers now only sit in a warehouse gathering dust while Carpathia asks the Court what to do with them. They of course want Mega to buy them for $1 million so Mega can reunite users with their data.

      The problem is the US Government wont unfreeze that $1 million for Mega to buy them and the MPAA insists no copyrighted media is provided which for data this size is technically impossible.

      The Judge does need to bang some heads here. Seizure law seems to make quite clear that the US Government cant seize the property of innocent third persons and if they do they have an obligation to return them on request.

      • Mega Problem

        http://www.sluice.com.pk/us-government-we-hear-theres-child-porn-on-those-megaupload-servers-judge/ 

        “Carpathia originally housed the servers in a Virginia warehouse on which the  government executed a search warrant back on January 19. After making forensic copies of selected servers, the government withdrew. Megaupload  couldn’t pay the bills, so Carpathia says it spent $9,000 a day in rent to house  the servers it couldn’t reuse. This quickly got expensive, so Carpathia trucked all  the servers (at a cost, it says, of $65,000) and stuck them in some empty space it had in one of its own facilities. Now, stuck with all these servers, Carpathia wants a judge to compensate it for all the money it could be making.” 

        Jewish Lightning the ONLY SOLUTION 
        http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning 

        • Kim Don Won

          The government probably has no evidence against MegaUpload. 
          They raided Carpathia and soon realized that ALL THE DATA was encrypted. 

          So they mirrored a few servers for show and then gave up and left.  (They refuse to provide any evidence to NZ extradition judge because they have none.) 

          They simply plan to stall as long as possible until the case is dismissed for lack of evidence and also the numerous procedural defects. 

          The government was hoping Carpathia would destroy the data.  Did not happen. 
          Carpathia will never destroy the data.  That would destroy their reputation. 

          Soon Carpathia will ‘outsource’ the ‘storage’ of these servers outside the USA. 
          A one time $1,000,000 fee will be paid to Carpathia for the privilege of storing these servers overseas. 

          Kim will again change his name. 

          KimDonWon

      • Jury

         Seizure laws are illegal in the US because the infringe the constitution that require due process. A seizure law is an abusive seizure without established cause.

        • jannamadden

          wouldn’t you rather play with this hot stuff right here!? http://mpidyong.tumblr.com/post/24949414808/this-is-making-me-sweat

  • Guest

    i think we should  sue the us government since it IS there fault you know 

  • http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

    From other interesting comments:

    “So they’re arguing that data isn’t property. I guess that means Private Manning didn’t steal anything from the government after all.”

    “So data is not equal to property.. Interesting.
    If the government didn’t seize data by copying it, then Megaupload did not commit copyright infringement by hosting it, and users didn’t commit piracy by up- or downloading it.”

    • Bloaxor

      Oh, but laws only count for the lower ones!

    • Joshharto

      best arguement by far hahaha

    • Mark

       Hmm never thought of it like that, interesting idea. 

      And I just downloaded your add on :)

    • Gae

      What if you have copyrighted content of your own on the servers and the government took a copy for their evidence.
      If you did not authorise a foreign government to make a copy of your data that are they not just as guilty as anybody else of infringement?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OK7Y7PCSTJ27RCKZ2MGRSAYCTE NEIL

       Been waiting to see if someone came up with that – fantastic!!!

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  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Oh lol. us government not even ashamed of talking such a bullshit. It’s like you know, you go to tv show, hit person there, millions see that and then you claim it’s not your fault, it’s fault of company that hosted show or it’s fault of fucking TV that shown that to millions of people. 
    Seriously, us government know no limits

  • Zorex
    • Bloaxor

       I noticed this is posted quite often, has anyone seen THAT?

      • wooty

         maybe people who regularly read comments.  not people who come here every now and then.  asshole

        • Gae

           No need to beat on people just because they do not visit here daily.

        • DutchGuest

          It’s not even Mega’s domain YOU TWIT.
          megaupload.COM, his guy is spamming for .NET.

    • Guest

      Stop spamming it in order to gain bids. You’ve got the same amount of bids since last time it was posted … nobody is interested in the domain name.

    • Anyone

      again, it is Kim Dotcom, not Kim Dotnet
      stop spamming that fake auction

  • Guest

    Users can sue megaupload offcourse they can BUT they will fail. User agreement that all users of megaupload aggreeded it has point that read like this (not exact but) “Megaupload does not guarantee access to files and it not responsibe if files get lost” this means you get nothing from them, even if you sue them.

    • Decimus

      The U.S. Government is just saying that because they’re trying to deny that they are responsible.  They’re obviously at fault, but this is the best that they can do to avoid lawsuits?

      Ignore the what they say and sue the government.  They should pay for their crimes.

      • Diosj

        Indeed. They are going to let it come to a judge before they admit guilt. Or at least pay out.

      • Guest

         soon you’ll hear that kimdotcom has sexually molested a girl in sweden and try to extradite and put him in jail!!!!

  • http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

    Sue Megaupload because the US Govt shut it down!
    SEEMS LEGIT!!!

  • Dollar Store

    Apparently Carpathia can now put the 1103 servers up for auction on ebay. 
    (As a matching set of course)

    Starting bid … $1 
    Reserved price … $1,000,000

    • Kim

      “The Carpathia servers were not seized by the United States nor are they subject to the Court’s restraining orders”  

      “No restraining order governs the Carpathia servers, and the government has not indicated any intent to commence a forfeiture proceeding against Carpathia’s property”  

      COOL!  So once Kim’s $$$ is released in NZ his lawyers can buy the servers from Carpathia.  Fuck You MAFIAA.    

       

      • Diosj

        Even stranger… If the government hasn’t seized them or has them as evidence. Then why are they not released / opened to public? Because the MPAA has nothing to say about them, certainly not if users can only access their own files.

        • Guest

          They don’t have the passwords to gain access to the servers.

      • Byte Me

        Attention EFF and other Mega Lawyers … 

        Since “the government has not indicated any intent to commence a forfeiture proceeding against Carpathia’s property”, then one can only conclude that the government DOES NOT consider that the data stored on these servers warrants a ‘seizure’ under US law. 

        The government routinely seizes property (domain names, websites, homes, autos, bootleg DVDs, hard drives, etc.) but has no intention of seizing ANY of the data (25 petabytes) stored on the 1103 Carpathia servers. 

        One can only conclude that the 25 petabytes of data is not “worthy” of government seizure and thus can hardly be construed as infringing upon the rights of ANY copyright holders. 

        The mere FACT that the government has not seized the 25 petabytes is in and of itself evidence that this data is NON-INFRINGING. 

        If the 25 petabytes of data does indeed contain copyright infringing data, as the government alleges, then the government is obliged to seize it as evidence.  It chooses not to seize this data, however, and cares not it’s ultimate fate. 

        -Byte Me MAFIAA

      • Guest

        Kim doesn’t even need his $$$ released.  Can you say “Kickstarter”?

    • Go GF

      $1,000,000 / 1103 = $907 per server. 

      These will sell like hotcakes on ebay! 

      Someone buys the entire lot then auctions them off one at a time as “official” MegaServers.  You get a nice certificate too.  Authentic MegaServer. 

      They will be collector items.  Probably triple in value. 
      (Plus think of all the GI GF pics you might find on them)

      • Dad

        25 petabytes x1024 x1024 / 1103 = 23,766 gigabytes per server! 

        So for $907 I can buy a MegaServer with 23 terabytes of “stuff” preloaded? 

        WHAT A GREAT FATHER’S DAY GIFT IDEA !!! 

        • Lacus

          Most of the preloaded data will be trash that you wouldn’t be interested in.

          I’d say that out of all that, you’d proably have 4 TB per server that is copyrighted content, aka, the good stuff.

        • Techanon

          The data can’t be accesed anyway, because it’s encripted.

    • Abdul

      Hello America, 

      I am Abdul Rahman Zahed and I bid $1,000,001.01 for MegaDecadent computers used by American Pig GI Joes.  

      Please send 1103 servers to:  
      Afghanistan Mountain Hideout #23 
      Cave 118A, Afghanistan 
      c/o Amir Khan Muttaqi 

      Praise Allah and 
      Happy Jihad Everybody  
      :)

      • Amir

        Yes Yes Very Good. 

        Yes OK … You call me I call you right back.  No no no problem. 
        Yes.  I have money here.  No you not worry.  No problem. 

        Yes.  Second cave on the left, just past dead camel and big rock … 
        (un-audible … Looks like George Bush … YES!  That Rock!) 
        Car-path-huh?  OK.  I Got It.  Carpathia.  IA … Yes … I got on paper here. 

        No Problem.  We very peaceful here.  Not cause any trouble you. 
        You need RPG?  AK-47?  Still got special on ‘Stingers’. (Arabic LOL) 
        Only used once! (I make joke).  Perfect for you?  Yes?  No? 

        OK.  I be in cave early morning.  But must tend goat after lunch. 
        You get here early morning?  Yes?  OK? …  OK.  Very Good. 
        America great decadent infidel country.  I (heart) USA.  Ha Ha YES! 

        YES!  …  baba booey … Howard Stern Rules … Hurray GI Joe!  Whatever. 
        Just don’t mess with my goats.  OK you?  OK.  OK. 
        Yes early morning.  OK.  Don’t be fucking me in the asses!  OK?  OK. 

        -bye

        • samier

          I have a feeling us will no longer be a country anymore. this “united” states will tear apart soon… and the “states” will tear apart further… and eventually the little pieces of left over will tear apart

    • Pissed Off Again

       LOL don’t forget the 15% ebay and paypal fees! lol and the listing fee! OUCH

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zack-Nelson/1287355169 Zack Nelson

    If I were to sue Megaupload, I wouldn’t win. Megaupload hasn’t denied me access to any files uploaded, the U.S. Government has. There was nothing Megaupload could’ve done about it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000617943487 Máté Bikfalvi

    Beat up the ice cream man because the bully stole your ice. US gov. your logic is flawless.

  • usJD

    fucking cunts

  • Rekrul

    The arrogance of the US government is fucking unbelievable! They’re not even trying to look legit any more.

    • Diosj

      Which idiots have let them become so untouchable?

      • theonlyone

         Let someone break into your house and steel your shit, then someone blames you for it. Like US citizens can control a corrupt government. Thats like telling poor people to control rich people.

        • DutchGuest

          Actually, that’s nonsense.
          There are so many firearms in the U.S., owned by private citizens, that if these people started an armed revolt it’d all be over in a matter of days.

        • FuzzyDuck

          The US government outguns US citizens, 10 to 1, they’ve also got so many bullets they can kill each American citizen half a dozen times. The US government is like Assad on steroids, Americans have no chance. What’s more anyone rising up against the US government is by definition a “terrorist” and can thus be detained indefinitely or killed without trial.

          Americans have no chance, they’re fucked. Their only hope is for US soldiers not to follow unconstitutional orders.

        • Techanon

          @9500da60d5d5b72ae0d7777013e3b66e:disqus  then if there’s a revolt in the USA, USA will become like a second Syria….
          I don’t know if I should laugh or cry at that prospect… Because I totally see that happening.

        • Gggggggggn

          FuzzyDuck: The forces would revolt against the Government.  They’d be unlikely to kill their own people in the kind of numbers necessary to defeat a full-on rebellion.

          They may have the tech, but it wouldn’t save them.

          So then, who’s up for organizing it?

  • Rain Day

    I’m wondering why there isn’t some kind of Kickstarter-type funding being set up. We hear of games and videos being funded in the hundreds of thousands, even a million dollars in a very short time, so why wouldn’t such a fund work to pay Carpathia for those servers?

    Seriously, if there actually are millions and millions of pirates out there in the world, pirates who actually care about this injustice, a dollar from even half of them should add up to enough to buy the freedom of the data on those servers, even if only for a month or two.

    In fact, each of the people whose data is being held captive – if they really cared about it -  should be willing to donate a small sum at the very least.

    Think about it.  How stunning would it be if enough money to buy those servers was gathered and donated to the EFF for the purpose of negotiating a sale with Carpathia?  Would the US Government block it?  Confiscate the money?  Would they strongarm Paypal and visa and mastercard into refusing such donations to EFF??  How far are they willing to take their nasty scandalous behavior?

    I dunno, it just seems crazy to have the power, collectively, in our own hands and yet not use it.  

    • Guest

      With videos and games it took some time for things to get going.
      I guess someone has to take initiative and be the first to do a kickstarter of this kind.

    • Gae

      I really wish somebody would do this. I would donate.

      I am just not the guy who has the time to get something like this going.

    • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

      I’ll donate a dollar, now just need 999,999 more people.

    • Guest

      Someone whether it be the US government or the RIAA et al. will do everything possible legal or illegal to shut down any donation fund etc.

    • Hubbe

       We do not negotiate with terrorists.
      So we don’t play ransom demands.

  • 7seven85

    If the US gov is not responsible, then why they dont allow Megaupload to buy their own servers, or even to pay Carpathia ??

    Fuck em all.
    MPAA, RIAA, pfff, all the US gov, go eat shit and die !!!

  • Guest

    None of this wouldn’t have happened without the US gov.
    They caused all this.
    They should take responsability.
    Is that too much to ask ? That a government deals with the consequences of its own actions?

    Of course, who can judge the US gov?
    Judges from the us?
    The united nations owned bt the US ?
    It’s like they’re immunte to justice and they don’t care.

    • Impunity

      That’s the problem.  The laws don’t apply to those at the top as there’s no power greater than them to enforce compliance.  It’s not new news that the USG do pretty-much whatever they want these days.  They should be careful not to boil the pot over.

      • Guest

        And until there’s a second American Revolution, don’t expect things to change much.  Those in power have systematically used that power over time to ensure that any and all peaceful methods of regulating or displacing them are rendered impotent.  

  • Protesters

    The US Government obviously have really really bad lawyers, I say sue and i am sure any court should, and i use that word  “should” with a bit of sarcasm as we know some judges can easily be bought, Should allow very big payouts to the claimants. If the government thinks that a stupid ruling by them is relevant, let someone show how wrong they are, it has been proven many times before in court cases and is very clear in this one.
    And once one person manages to set a president many many others that used the site legally will have the go ahead to claim a lot of money from the US government. And this is on top of the billions they owe to Maga already.

  • Anonymous

    so, the US government seized the servers, preventing all users of the Megaupload service from being able to access their files, but it’s not their responsibility to give access back. that makes no sense at all! no one else seized those servers, only the US government. no one else prevented access to those servers, only the US government. why should anyone now have to pay to regain access when they had no say in whether the servers were seized or not and whether access was blocked or not? obviously, the US government is not going to admit that it has made itself look a complete f*****g idiot and it isn’t going to admit that it was following orders from the entertainment industries, rather than following the law. now, in typical government fashion, it is trying to pass the buck. i cant see them being allowed to get away with this denial, but who knows? i sincerely hope that all Mega users plus Kim and associates sue the arse of these clowns, the entertainment industries are fully exposed for what they have done and the US government for being their puppet!

  • Gae

    Interesting how the govt say it is not their fault, yet no trial has taken place yet.
    It is still possible that MU are fully innocent of all the charges and that the US have made a huge mistake and any loss of data is indeed entirely their fault.

    However clearly the decision on who is guilty has already been made. Any trial will just be for show.

    • Guest

       I wouldn’t be at all surprised that a trial will only go ahead if the US government, MPAA and RIAA know that they will win the case. They sure won’t allow this to go to trial if they knew that they were going to loose as I am sure they wouldn’t want the public of the world to know what jackasses and fuckups they really are with the illegal raid and other things that they have done wrong so far with this case.

      • Guest

        After the circus that this (mis)trial has been up to now, I’m almost convinced that the US Gov’t would sooner stage a fake terrorist attack and/or black ops assassination to ensure Dotcom’s death than see him acquitted and free to sue for damages.

        • Guest

           soon you’ll hear that kimdotcom has sexually molested a girl in sweden and try to extradite and put him in jail!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    now why on earth would the beusers do that. its the us gov / mpaa etc that should have their asses handed to them

  • Anon99

    If the government claim they have not control over the servers, then they should not be able to have any say in the matter of Megaupload purchasing the servers from 
    Carpathia.

    They can’t have it both ways!

  • Jessicobarker

    Me afectó bastante el cierre de megaupload pero,

    en caso de que pierda mis archivos definitivamente, no podré quejarme =(  

    ? megaupload advertía que no era seguro usarlo como único lugar para guardar mis documentos

    • Jessicobarker


      ?  Megaupload advertía que no era seguro usar su servicio como único lugar para almacenar sus archivos…

  • foff

    What do you fucking expect?  Most governments everywhere have done a very good job of insulating themselves from liability.  They say a person can pay to get their data but I wonder if that is even possible.  I don’t know how the data is stored but to search 25 petabytes for your data then try and put it together sounds like a fail to me.  

    If the government has their information and doesn’t need the servers then what fuck is the problem with letting megaupload turn the site back on and allow retrieval of user files like some other cyber lockers have?  Clearly this is a jackass government lawyer playing lawyer games and trying to weasel out of a difficult situation.

    • Guest

      Seems that someone has got shit on their face, Could it be the US government i wonder.

      • theonlyone

         The US government is covered in shit and they always have been. They have been force feeding it to its citizens by the buckets full for a very long time.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Unfortunately true. I never bought the whole ‘sovereign immunity’ bullshit that I read in the legal books when I was getting my diploma to be a paralegal.

      It seemed like that had a hell of a lot of holes and was open to abuse. Well, glory be….. I was right about it being open to abuse.

  • Vincent Giannell

    I still say Megaupload users should sue the Government for not only the loss of files, but for also making false accusations.

  • Anonymous

    By this logic the Government never has liability for actions under this fact pattern (where govrnment action overreaches to cause damages to innocents on the basis of false accusations inadequately vetted by responsible legal and investigatorial review). 
     
    Consider DeJaz 1, as one of many current; and, as one of a multitude of yet to materialize examples of what happens when government entities get their moral and legal perspectives from previlidged private predators. 
     
    DeJaz 1 can choose to give up the fight by accepting this restated argument that it has no rights, but, if it does, every single person living in any of our self-proclaimed democracies will be inestimably poorer. 
     
    MegaUpload and Mr. Goodwin can also choose to think and act as if these prosecutorial government entities will NEVER be told by competent legislative Judicial or Legislative Authority that they have been WRONG all along; that their errors are in fact fully avoidable abuses, directly attributable to their overreaching; that those abuses reflect astronomical liabilities for which they ARE responsible. 
     
    The Government will make these stupid claims of IMMUNITY, because for the time being these claims are its only shred of defense. 
     
    MegaUpload and Mr. Goodwin have no such excuse.  They can find their strength by looking at the governments long term weakness:  Stripped to its  bare essentials, the governments argument is that it is AS unaccountable as the powerful Corporate Monopolies it has chosen to protect. 
     
    THAT argument WILL NOT be resolved favorably for either these government entities OR those Corporate Monopolies. 
     
    Moreover, THAT argument will NOT be resolved favorably for either these government entities or Corporate Copyright Holders in A) the electorates, B) the Judiciaries, or C) the legislatures.   
     
    We must all pray that MegaUpload, DeJaz 1, and Mr. Goodwin choose to carry this extraordinarily heavy waterbucket onward and upward. 
     
    Why? 
     
    Because it is only by the skin of our teeth that we still yet retain this fragile filament of constitutional rights which is OUR ONLY EFFECTIVE ARGUMENT against predation by the powerful; because it is only in the depth of our vision and commitment made REAL ONLY in its USE  that this moral and legal armour (that might be revoked at any time by the next iteration of PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, TPP, SIX STRIKES), lives as a bulwark against those whose permanent wet dream is to be able to stand in the SUPREME COURT, point to a mile high stack of written law, and tell the assembled Justices, “Your Honors, as can be seen from these written laws dutifilly passed by Congress and signd by the President, We ARE UNACCOUNTABLE!” 

  • YARIGHT

    in canada if you get bad milk that is proved to have come ot the store and was form the person making milk you used to have to do the above article says 

    sue the store whom would sue the farmer
    instead now we made a common sense law that now has you just sue the farmer.

    SO in this case the US GOVT is wrong about whom to sue and may only pertain to the usa
    in canada you sue hollywood, the bsa and et all….FUN if you had legal files.

    • mwhahaha

      Canadian milk law… international copyright law…

      Nope, I’m lost.Oh, Canada…

    • Anon Ymous

      I’ll be coming back home to Canada if these copyright law get any worse. Keep my cabin warm for me

  • Lostinlodos

    As far as I can see; (US) users of MegaUpload should sue the US Government for
    theft,
    cyber terrorism,
    vandalism,
    illegal search and seizure,
    fraud,
    destruction of private property,
    RECO violations,
    …!

    • FuzzyDuck

      Oh and don’t forget to throw in a few “conspiracies”, you know when more than 1 person is involved in a specific action.

      And then there is also “money laundering”, you know when a financial transaction has taken place, in this case money paid by users to MU for future services was stolen by the US government. Each transaction with said monies is 1 count of money laundering.

      Thus we add:
      conspiracy to steal
      conspiracy to defraud
      conspiracy to commit illegal search and seizure
      conspiracy to destroy private property
      10,000 counts or more of money laundering
      conspiracy to launder money
      false testimony
      conspiracy to present false testimony
      attempt to destroy evidence
      conspiracy to attempt to destroy evidence
      etc….

      • mwhahaha

        *facepalm*
        Seriously guys, get real. Some things there are definitely valid then you go getting all stupid, calling freezing assets money laundering and all that.

        Why can’t people here start to be a little more rational and less radical?

        Oh yeah, it’s the internet.

        • FuzzyDuck

          My post was just as irrational as the US government’s own accusations. If what Megaupload did was theft and money laundering, then what the US government does now is so too, by their own definitions.

          May I remind you that what the US govt refers to as money laundering are simply financial transactions, exactly what the US does with the money it stole from Megaupload.

        • Guest

          Troll harder.

        • Lostinlodos

           I was simply pointing the things that have previously stuck in cases
          against the government; FD is partially right in adding more; and I can
          probably come up with if I wanted to, I was venting, not being all that serious. But since we’re on a roll on nonsense that can be charged that the USGov has actually commited in this case… lets add:
          Violation of the International Banking Act
          Conspiracy to:
          Possession of Child Pornography
          Conspiracy to:
          Possession of Copyrighted Material without permission
          ConTO:
          Transfer of CP across state lines (because files are the same as real films)
          ConTO
          Importation of CP
          ConTO
          Importation of Pirate Goods
          ConTo
          Violation of Adam act
          Conspiracy to defraud the public
          Conspiracy to defraud the court
          Conspiracy to commit perjury
          Perjury under oath (since signed submissions to the court are considered under oath)
          Conspiracy to tamper with evidence
          Tampering with evidence
          Malicious subjugation
          Conspiracy to pollute the jury pool
          ….
          All very real violations committed in the case, so far, buy the government members involved. Like I said, I was just venting.
          Oh, and how about so far at least 77 Acts of Contempt of the Court.

    • DutchGuest

       Someone get G. Robert Blakey on this case, NOW !

  • nelson

    filehosting in the land of the free is a bad idea
    better do business in a land free of crooks

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  • Michael Host

    No. Tittle should be: Megaupload Users Should sue US. Govt.The users with paid accounts, those that lost their money when the site was shut down

  • Jimbo

    so exactly what did Mega itself do to physically stop anyone from accessing their own files, whether non-infringing or not? who seized the site, shut it down, seized the servers Mega was using, preventing Mega itself from accessing them and even forbidding the owners of the servers from doing what they wanted with them? none of the users of Mega are responsible for their files being made unavailable, only the US government. Neil MacBride must have aspirations for a role as a ‘bona fide’ politician. no one else could have come up with shit like this for excuses!

    • mwhahaha

      It’ll come down to the legal stuff signed by the users I think. Did they openly accept that the place they were leaving their data might not be able to return it?
      Clauses shoved in in case of total server meltdown might come into play.

      This case might have to take a back seat to whatever larger case they can cobble together against MU first. If MU are guilty of whatever it is they claim, then they’ll surely declare that due to their illegal activity, it is MU’s fault people’s data has been lost.

      That said, a team of IT guys and a little good will would save them lots of face and maybe even get the US govt some goodwill in return.

      It’s like the anti-pirate brigade is doing its best to piss off everyone, everywhere.

      They really need to start being sensible.

      • Guest

        Mega can’t be sued because they aren’t at fault. Simple as that.

        The U.S. government can and should have the absolute fuck sued out of it since *they* are the ones at fault, but whether or not they will be successfully sued depends on how corrupt the legal system is. 

  • FuzzyDuck

    Yeah I can see how the US government’s logic is flawless, and can be adapted to other areas in the future:

    “The US government did not lay the mine US private X stood on, he should sue the enemy if he wants medical help and compensation for his injuries.”

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the jackasses try that reasoning in the future.

  • Anonymouse

    The Users should bring a class action against the MPAA & RIAA that instigated the seizure of the servers in the first place.

    • Raze

       I did not study law but I did take a several law classes in college for my undergrad & grad degree, mostly dealing with contract law.  I do think users could have case against the MPAA & RIAA.  Parties who caused a breach of contract can be held liable and many times are the ones who have to pay damages, especially when the party who breached can’t pay

  • Beatles Suck

    Makes me wonder why I am required to pay taxes to support this corrupt government. 

    • mwhahaha

      and whilst we’re bitching:
      What have the Roman’s ever done for us, eh?

      • Guest

        and whist we’re excusing corupt governments for their crimes because they also made some advances: 
        The Nazis were sure great, weren’t they? Their scientists made so many important breakthroughs.

  • al

    If you use the logic the U.S. government used to seize Megauplod for other things there would be lots of seizures. For example most bank robbers use Ford cars, so therefore they should seize Ford motor company and all cars made by Ford. That would lead to less bank robberies. Then the banks could sue Ford to recover the losses. This is standard child logic.lol

    • mwhahaha

      In your example I think the ISPs would be the cars as they provide the means of transportation. MU would possibly be a man on the inside who shows the robbers when’s best to hit the bank and what vaults to look in, who aids and abets in their criminality for a small share in the profits himself.
      I’m afraid it’s your allegory which appears childish in this case, especially as MU apparently acknowledged (and made use of) the illegitimate actions of their users.

      That’s what I love about pirate bay, they just go ‘yah fuck it we’re pirates’ with none of this bullshit DCMA business or pretending to be a legitimate business propaganda. In MU things get muddied and pretty much everyone involved gets cover in the shit when it explodes. The site, the legitimate users who used it as a single back-up place and the govt all look pretty dumb to some degree atm.

      • al

        HaHaa I knew you would be the first to reply, after reading your other posts…hook, line and sinker. What’s with those pesky Roman’s…lol

        Oh yeah, it’s the internet.

      • Guest

        Nah. Al’s analogy is solid, but yours is full of shit.

        Megaupload hosted user content. That’s all it did. It didn’t point out which were the best files to pirate, it didn’t take a cut of stolen money. It was indeed a legitimate business, and it isn’t their fault the MAFIAA half-assed its own job and and didn’t notify them of infringing content frequently enough. Seriously, did how you miss the raid against it was fucking illegal? Do you not understand that the whole reason the U.S. government undertook an illegal raid is because they couldn’t raid a legitimate business legally?

        Dotcom’s only foolishness was bothering to comply with DMCA notices at all. Cooperation with the MAFIAA obviously gets people nowhere.

        By the way, you’re a dipshit who doesn’t know what the word ‘allegory’ means.

  • Dex

    They should rather sue the US government.

  • Nojusticenopeace

    The US gov is obviously responsible for the fact that the user data is no longer accessible. It is therefore the responsibility of the US government to provide resources now necessary for the retrieval of the data. In addition the US government shall be sentenced to pay reparation to those who could not access their data for more than 6 month and counting. There is no way an impartial court can judge otherwise. This case will without doubt expose the blatant corruption within the federal government taking us closer to a revolution.

  • Anonymous

    Fuck the USA and the horses they rode in on!

    • Guest

       Leave the horses out of it! :D

  • Andrew Lee

    If anyone should be sue it should be the Music and Movie industries. The actions against MU has had almost zero effect when you look at the big picture.

    The only people being hurt in the MU shutdown is legitimate users. Any pirated software on MU servers is guaranteed to be online still on multiple servers as well as torrents.

    • mwhahaha

      Yes, but you don’t release one thief or scam artist just cos ‘there’s loads more out there’.

      Loving the comment tho. :)

      • FuzzyDuck

        For your analogy to make any sense, we’d have to be talking about thieves that replicate themselves infinitely and at no cost, so that if you hold one of the copies, the copies still outside of jail just create more copies of themselves to fill the vacuum left by the incarcerated copies….

      • Guest

        What does the hypothetical release of a thief or scam artist have to do with the fact that the only people being hurt by the Megaupload shutdown are legitimate users? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know?

  • mwhahaha

    They don’t do themselves many favours do they?
    This feels like an important precedent ruling for future cases where the Govt swoop in and take data. As we’ve seen from site take downs they don’t always get their info correct before springing into action. 

    Hopefully if they’re found to be responsible for the data retention of innocent parties on any company owned server then they’ll be a touch more responsible.

    Feel sorry for the innocent legal uploaders in this case, no sympathy for the idiots running the site leeching off piracy.

    • al

      Who do you support, hard to tell Which thief do you support?

      • Guest

        mwhahaha is a MAFIAA stooge who tries to fool people into thinking he isn’t. He fails at it lot.

        • Guest

          * a lot.

          Almost as frequently as I fail at typing.

      • Guest

        Kim Dot Com played by the rules and respected the laws just like any other legitimate business. Its not his fault things turned out this way. He just offered file hosting. Some people used it to share files that the MAFIAA claimed they owned. Not Kim’s problem.

        You could say he could have stopped piracy with file hash filters or by not allowing users to share publicly. Or by other gay controls.
        But why should he do these things, hash filters would instantly undermine everyone’s confidence in the site and the technology as a whole. And taking away public sharing makes things hard for people who need to spread files for legitimate reasons (don’t make me list them)

        File hosting cannot exist while Copyright exists (Unless its opperated by the enemy, they have the copyright…

  • theonlyone

    People should shit in bags, light them on fire and leave it on the Federal governments doorsteps.

    • Anonymous

       I like that one too !
      As I remember being a teenager in the late 60′s and doing the old dog shit in a paperbag you set on fire and left by someone’s door. Teenage Pranks !
      Just remember you may get filmed doing this to the Feds and you do get a Fed Prison Sentence not a State Charge.

  • 6681nagae

    GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME BACK MY RIGHTS !!!

  • Anonymous

    “(…) the Government explains that no “irreparable harm” has been done”
    … yet.
    The servers are still hosted, for now. No thanks to US government though.
    So, harm is still currently reparable… for how long still?

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t the US gov realize that some people don’t want money, they just want their data back?

  • Anonymous

    USA Gov you can lick a dog’s butt !
    I so hate my Government.

  • Anonymous

    lol, typical US “pass the buck” routine. Too funny dude.
    Anon-Browse.tk

  • Spike

    Funny how they always rule in favour of big content when it comes to the famous “irreparable harm” argument that always decides copyright infringement cases, even though the loss numbers are all fabricated. This guy actually LOST his data, how can that NOT be considered “irreparable harm”?

    In other words, the end users don’t mean jack shit, nothing to see here folks.

  • TariaS

    Many people haven’t understood that the US government has unlimited power in this world. So they just do what they want and no one can do anything.

    • Fantastic

       Pfft that only happens when we don’t stand up to them and tell them where they can put their dictator style nonsense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Perham/1543836773 Richard Perham

    Does CLASS ACTION sound like the right thing??? anybody? There’s one hell of a career for the lawyer that can’t help but win..

  • Idontbuyebooks

    don’t buy NEW DVD, don’t go to cinema, don’t sign for a cable-tv

    without money evil associations cannot have so much influence on politicians or pay to have laws keeping in their hands the monopoly

    I already started

    *Men in  black 3* seems a good movie, but, since go to cinema ot buy NEW dvd, means feed the MPAA, I’ll buy used from another people not from stores, so MPAA cannot get any money from me

  • Guest

    JUSTICE NOW OR WE RISE UP AND MURDER YOU RICH CUNTS.. WHATS IT TO BE!

    • Guest

       There’s an “or” in your sentence where I think there should be a second “and”.

  • Guest

    I think we are going to see Kim in court for years and i’m sure the next site to be illegally and immorally shutdown will be media fire. This is a perfect tactic for these guys, they can take the top sites down with ease and keep them down for years. Even if they don’t end up winning the case. The sites are still unaccessible.

    Someone should make a claim about the MAFIA and then the US goverment should raid them, and shut down the entire recording industry while they wait for the trail. But it won’t work that way :(

  • Anonymous

    Shame that it’s the US taxpayer ultimately footing the bill for all this. Corrupt US officials and those MAFIAA reps should be held accountable and hanged for this.

  • Trelew

    All this is about is corporate greed and power.  The Big Business are telling the courts and government what to do.  Sadly, in the end they will get what they want.  This court case shows who really is in control.  Not our governments because they have been bought by corporate interests.  I guess should toss out the constitution and the magna carta and setup a Board of Directors of the Corporate Elite to run the US which will run the world.  Cause it’s a Corporate World and we are just get screwed by it
     

  • Ante Allen

    The Fascist Government of Fascist USA shows again its true face. 

  • http://twitter.com/Power2All Power2All

    Oh man, Im laughing how USA is shitting in their pants.
    They know this motion is not gonna stand.
    Question would be, what tricks do they have left in their pockets.

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  • Hank

    some people here are suggesting that the US government should release the money earned through subscriptions used to download copyrighted material, or money through advertisements displayed to downloaders of unlicensed material

    so as to enable them to buy back the servers without going through a full trial to determine guilt or innocence of MU?

    and what is MU suppose to do after getting hold of the servers?
    Facilitate downloading of potentially copyrighted files? I don’t think MU will be so kind as to screen through individual applications by those caught in the cross fire.

    Will another party come up to buy the servers which are potentially loaded with unlicensed material? They will end up in the same position as MU is currently in.

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  • Zig

    “The government does not possess any of Mr. Goodwin’s property, nor does it seek to forfeit it,”
    Is this an admission that ‘Intellectual Property’ can’t be treated in the same way as physical property by a court of law? Well done undermining your case against Mega.

    • Guest

       But the government is sure doing it all it can to keep people from accessing the property.

  • GUEST

    Logic from the US Govt can’t be their strongest point…

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  • Lololololol002

    This is ludicrous, now the US gov is screwing his own people?!

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  • Tdot

    Just a heads up for my fellow Canadians.

    “Friday, Canadian gov is going to bring forward C-11 (copyright bill) for last hours of debate. It will be voted on Monday.”

  • Izkata

    Y’know, I wonder if the issue is that the US government has *already* deleted the data and are trying to save face by preventing anyone from finding out?

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  • Anonymous

    The US government has made backups of crucial data? I am sure they have taken backups of all the copyrighted data they could find and would now be perfectly happy if everything else was destroyed so Megaupload can’t defend themselves.

    • Guest

      If all the data is encrypted then I can’t see how the US government or anyone else for that matter present any evidence of illegal files hosted. Without the passwords to this encrypted data the US government and everyone else other than Megaupload are well and truly shafted.

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  • Fwefw

    Don’t sue the government. Sue those personally responsible for denying Megaupload access to assets for which have not yet been proven to be illegally gained. There is no reason to believe that releasing these assets would result in furtherance of any crime. It’s not even clear a crime has been committed or by whom. The data was stored by a third party. Not Megaupload. If a crime was committed it was the hosting provider. Megaupload did not operate in the US. They operated from overseas.

  • Neotoasty

    Burying the truth, aren’t we U.S Government? I’m sorry but if anybody ran across this site. Everybody knows that the U.S Government was involved mainly behind the take down of Megaupload. Not to mention took possession of Kim Dotcom’s property and belongings. What was he on a goose chase all along? I’m sure he was against the U.S Government for a good reason. Now the U.S Government wants to try and turn all of the users against Megaupload for something THEY clearly did?

    Our wonderful Government, folks. Take a great look at this gigantic hypocritical lie in front of you.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barney-Wills/100003080499889 Barney Wills

    NOT A COMPUTER NERD HERE DONT BITE MY HEAD OFF

    i dont understand why Carpathia doesnt just move everything to an offline storage facility till everything blows over.

    I mean, buying the necessary hard drives/computers/whatever would certainly be cheaper than bleeding $9000 a day and it would score them much more rep than blanking there shit. 

    Afterwards, they have a shitton of assets in extra hardware, right?

  • Alphax

    LOL, more like the users should sue the US govt…

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