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UK Entertainment Industry Wants to Disconnect Pirates

Today the French will probably pass their HADOPI ’3 strikes’ legislation, which will be heralded as a major victory in the war against illicit file-sharing. Just across the water in the UK, elements of the entertainment industry are simultaneously making renewed efforts to convince their government to do the same.

Over the past few months we’ve written a couple of dozen articles on the “three strikes” proposals that are lobbied for by the entertainment industries, or drafted into law by national governments. Those in favor of such measures argue that it’s the ideal solution to combat piracy, which allegedly robs the movie and music studios of billions of dollars in profit.

Today, a few hours before France is expected to pass “HADOPI” – their three-strikes legislation – a coalition of several British “creative industries” are calling on the UK government to implement similar measures. According to a BBC report, the entertainment industry lobbyists want the government to force ISPs to disconnect repeated copyright infringers, something the government has already said it does not want to do.

The coalition’s recommendations are accompanied by some impressive statistics for which no source can be found. They argue that a massive 50% of all Internet traffic can be attributed to piracy alone, and that despite the record breaking revenues for the movie industry and the ever growing revenue from digital music sales, many jobs may be lost because of it.

Whether or not jobs or profits are at stake, the major downside to implementing a “three strikes” policy is that the current state of evidence gathering is far from accurate. The BBC consumer show Watchdog revealed how easy it is to point the finger (and pull the plug) on the wrong person. The recent accusation that an elderly couple downloaded gay porn is just one example.

The Internet Services Providers’ Association (ISPA) seems to agree and has said in a statement that the evidence used by the entertainment industries would not be “admissible as evidence in court.” On the other hand, disconnecting alleged file sharers without going though the courts is deemed unfavorable by a recent decision of the European Parliament, because it would violate the rights and freedoms of Internet users.

Nicholas Lansman, Secretary general of ISPA has a suggestion for the entertainment industry coalition though. “It is important to recognise that a major part of the solution lies in licensing reform and the availability of legal content online,” he said. Indeed, if anything, the widespread use of BitTorrent and other file-sharing networks to download infringing content is merely a sign of a failing industry. Disconnections will not improve the current business model.

Indeed, no amount of Internet user disconnections is going to solve the the piracy ‘problem’ either. If the UK government did agree to implement something like this and it led to the disconnection of say, 10,000 people there would be outcry. There would also still be another 5,990,000 people sharing files across Britain. There has to be another solution.

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  • Michael

    It’s not going to work. Give up now before you go broke.

  • aXXo

    Screw the French!!

  • El3M3NT

    SUCK MY PP

  • Skippy

    Ok.

  • El3M3NT

    Lovely, ok meet me in #el3m3nt.

  • Anonymous

    It feels like dinosaurs are trying to bite the wings off from birds.

    No matter how hard they try they can only catch a few.

  • Intens0r

    SUCK MY P2P

  • Toddy

    The UK aint in the EU?

  • Anonymous

    @6 and then the wingless birds turn into a oddly shaped creature called a mob, the mob in its turn will transform the dinosaurs into gasoline.

  • Zippin Sons

    The UK government would not do this unless the MPAA/RIAA went through the courts and then if and only if it was proven that they (the defendant) were doing wrong then either the ISP would cancel there account and would be banned from signing up to other ISP. Which is easy to get around ;) and any fines to pay would be easy to drag out as well… would the ISP want to lose money because the MPAA/RIAA want them to do there dirty work!! The MPAA/RIAA are the only ones to blame for there “loss” in profits ( ya right!!) … Old cigar smocking gits of the RIAA/MPAA have not and will not embrace technology and development. I have already started using the next gen in underground sharing… how many others have and will follow soon ??

    And who would pay for wrongly accusing a person on a IP address which can be faked…the ISP or the MPAA/RIAA ??

  • Art

    VPN ftw, try reading my encryption ISP!!

    Now just need to avoid warrantless hacking by police http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5439604.ece

  • Zippin Sons

    I forgot to add in my comment that i would rather pay £20 direct to the music artist then the RIAA who pay them pennies… and as for films i rather see the writers get payed more and the actors etc less. So my £20 would go to the writers :) and not the fat cats who look after them selves….

    The films that i may get hold off i would never buy nor the music as i can not afford to and most films or music i like i download “for free” but if it is good then i buy it, and if it is sh*t then i delete it..

    :)

  • GrX

    nobody see’s the bigger picture they are going to send us all back to the stone ages here my theory.

    Everyone and lets be honest only buys broadband superfast internet to download it’s just that simple else if it was for just readin emails or sending IM’s we’d still be on dialup.

    IF the mpaa/riaa got its way and got the isp’s to filter content or diss-connect users lets just say this happens.

    1. there would be no usage to pay for the top broadband packages, if any broadband at all, as all the legal so called services are DRM restricted so they are useless to the advarage person so their online new market DRM crap no-one would buy anyway, but lets look at the results.

    2. Without mass content nobody would need larger hdd’s to store content on, so hdd makers would be hit , if theres nothing to download there’s no need for more hdd space.

    3. no content to download means nothing to burn onto discs, which then effects the mass making of blank media, which in turn without DivX content the millions of makers of stand alone divx players would be put out of work, blocking off all kinds of ports s-vhs, RCA due to analogue hole being patched now all your video camera’s and digital recorders will be useless as you wont be-able to record anything so the makers and distrobution of hardware will be effected.

    mp3 players mp4 player makers will be hit next, no way of downloading movies converted to mp4 etc, pointless having a mp4 player, once the labels get their way and kill piracy back will come DRM on music so your standard mp3 player will be useless…

    it goes on and on…

    Now the people who got dissconnected are they going to go buy anything that supports the people who’s killed their life line? hell no if anything they would boycott everything

    millions boycotting everything would then result in sales in shops dropping thus jobs being lost due to no customers.

    it goes on and on and on… it’s obvious these people do not look into the future

    Piracy = money for every major content provider, free advertisement world wide, it keeps people in business making technology to support piracy which in turn supports their business models i.e. technology hardware.

    Stopping pirates and Technology is going to be the end as we know it.

    if you couldn’t record then there would be no use for a video recorders, then there’ would of been no vhs tapes, same goes with audio tapes, cds, dvd’s

    Piracy is needed for the world to survive

  • Jigsy

    “Internet service providers (ISPs) have rejected calls for them to police the net and cut off users who repeatedly file-share material unlawfully.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8046028.stm

    Good news? :3

  • GrX for President lol

    oh, i forgot to add the only way the industry mpaa/riaa is surviving is money from sueing people

    come on if piracy didn’t exist they’d have no-body to sue, no-body would buy into their content without anyone to sue to make money and keep things coming in they’d fork up prices 20-50 % (stupid when something doesnt sell they put the price up in this country) so now people will defo NOT buy the content.

    they’d just die off, the only reason they can continue to survive is sueing everyone and everything over piracy.

    no piracy = no money for them.
    they are not going to stop piracy it’s too much money for them to lose.

    and any isp will not stop piracy as that is the only reason people buy monthly broadband its fact.

    without any content or piracy 90% of their business is dead you know it i know it, the isp’s know it.

    just funny the riaa/mpaa dont get it.

  • #46

    some honest politician should build a career on this, like Lars Ulrich, only in reverse

  • Art

    @14 good news to a point

    “Chief executives from the three companies, along with those from record labels and movie distribution firms, are advising communications minister Lord Stephen Carter and the Digital Britain Report Steering Board on the best methods to tackle the problem of illegal file sharers.”

    http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/252730/creative-industry-renews-calls-to-disconnect-file-sharers.html

  • r3loaded

    I hope the ISPA has the good sense to hold their anti-disconnection stance against whatever “creative industry” (ha!) tries to push such legislation.

    Remember guys, pirates = more high-value, high-bandwidth connections are bought = profit!

  • chris

    yes, the UK is in the EU

    the best part of this news (as i emailed the BBC about this morning actually) is that with the EU’s communications bill, the EU will soon pass into law that EU citizens are entitled to internet access on par with freedom of expression.

    And guess what? EU law overrules British or any other EU states law.

    Gotta say, im loving the EU atm.

  • the.dwarfer

    the uk government is sooooo! unpopular at the moment if they tried to make this law there would be a revolution.

  • Zush

    Hey! It’s 25 years today that 1984 took place! Nice way to celebrate it, corporate fascists.

  • the.dwarfer

    if your in the uk and want to speak out against the government (and official opposition) don’t vote ukip or bnp, vote green or liberal for the eu elections.

  • wonderwhy-er

    I kind of see a greater problems with such law. Imagine if they would become globally used… How would I determine if I am allowed to download something in Internet then? Does iTunes have copy-rights for 1$? Do I infringe when I listen music(stream and save it at same time like on youtube) from sites like last.fm/yuotube and many other Internet music/video streaming services?

    Then there are sites like rapidshare or torrents content in which is not necessarily copyrighted but how can we check if it is or not copyrighted and do we infrige on copyrights or not?

    If copyright industry want such laws they must make some kind of services to tell what users what is copyrighted and what is not because I am not shore what is and what is not copyrighted in the Internet torrents or not… Say friend from another country sends me mp3 over skype and next day notices comes saying I infringed this music copyright and am disconnected…

    Those 3 strikes are bullshit and even if they will be implemented it will end up being an uproar and civil case of large amount of not rightfully disconnected people going to court… At least that’s what I would do…

    I would say that even a movement can be created to make large amount of innocent people falsely disconnected to show how stupid it is to go this way…

    So I highly doubt that it will be implemented or even if it will then chances are that it will get a large resistance…

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  • chazza

    We all know where this is heading… The entertainment industry wants their analogue of the US “no-fly list”. There is little doubt that any large scale implementation of this will cause public outcry en masse.

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  • Ben Hurr

    Once again illustrating how silly copyright law has become these days. :(

    The trouble is if somehow the **AA’s win, everyone loses, including themselves.

  • IHeard

    Looks like the French have just passed their silly law

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8046564.stm

    The UK Gov are buffoons and will definitely go for this. Whacky Jackie and her cronies will lap this up, after she’s repaid the tax payer for her porno vids and butt plugs ( or whatever they were ).

    Looks like the muppet show made a return early!

  • l33t

    Too bad the EU says no one will be banned, so this is will bring the primacy of EU law over that of any nation into focus.

  • Ralonto

    Well, after the French government rolls over to industry lobbies like a pup you can expect the UK government, being the control-freaks that they are, to do the same. I hope the EU does something about this. It enforces laws made against the internet, so it should enforce laws made for the internet as well.

  • revolution

    @13

    Broadband is not all about downloading on p2p. There is a lot of streaming content that require a fast connection and is legal. What about flash based websites?

    As for HDD, if you buy music, videos on the web, you’ll need some space anyway. I don’t think your argument against the 3 strikes law is valid. But I’d have to agree it’s flirting with fascism.

  • anon2

    said before. who else is hurt, whoever is falsely accused of something or which ever other industry ceases to operate is irrelevant to mpaa/riaa etc. they dont care!! all they are interested in is trying to save their own asses (those doing nothing, being paid fortunes for it, that is). i cant believe they think that to continue going down this road is going to benefit them. for God’s sake wake up!! if you want to stop piracy, stop making films, producing music, manufacturing dvd recorders/burners, disks etc and desolve the internet! when that has been achieved and it is seen what a complete f**k up has been made, it’ll be too late to correct it!!

  • chris

    NNNNOOOOO the french just passed that bastardised bill! :@

    no matter, its like all attempts to stop anything ‘criminal’ – people will find ways around it.

    I for one will be removing the password protection on my wireless network should the 3-strikes law come to Britain.

    I will openly allow, and encourage anyone and everyone to abuse my internet as much as possible. And i encourage others to consider doing the same. If enoguh people do it, you’ll get a court challenge and it’ll be scrapped.

    The fact is, you cant cut someones internet off because they might be doing something. Thats like taking away all my families driving licenses because i get caught drink driving.

    They are trying to tackle a civil issue with criminal penalties, they wont get away with it.

  • DrCalgori

    @27 Iheard:

    Whacky Jackie!? You sir, have made my day. That’s a pretty accurate description!

    I don’t think they’d pass this though. Yea, the UK is MEGA control freak and big brotherish but with all the recent scandals and rumours going on about the goverment this would pretty much make them completely hated by the people, if their not already. Lets hope they avoid this shit and actually do some good.

  • the.dwarfer

    Net firms reject ‘policing role’

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8046028.stm

  • Think about it

    Apparently identity theft online, fencing stolen goods on eBay, spyware, malware, and Phishing emails from Nigerian princes are of little or no concern as long as filesharing exists. Way to structure laws to benefit corporate interest.

  • Reasoned Mind

    @#35 Think about it

    “identity theft online, fencing stolen goods on eBay, spyware, malware, and Phishing emails from Nigerian princes are of little or no concern as long as filesharing exists.”

    Not at all. It’s all one and the same to the law and a great deal is being done about it; it’s either legal or it is not, and this is the illegal company you keep when you pirate.

  • adorno

    This will not work. I will simply shift my ‘previewing and sharing’ to unsecured wifi hotspots and public computers such as in libraries, etc, or record streaming media.

    If through some unfortunate circumstance, my ISP were to disconnect me, you can bet your last dollar that I would never buy another cd/dvd from whichever media conglomerate were involved.

  • Anonymous

    I am very surprised as in all this subject about filesharing as the average people who are the majority don’t have been consulted for nothing!!!

    Then; Is not the opinion from approximately 40 million of filesharers around the world important or relevant on all this?

    I think; the people want to share, this is a reality and a constant and growing tendency, and any effort for stopping this will be without success.

    Any country where the parasites from the entertainment industry arrive with their absurds and unproved claims cause a lot of trouble and insatisfaction for the majority of the people, ISPs and goverments.

    Why are the parasites from the entertainment industry more important than me, my country and my civil liberties?

    I don’t get it.

    I am pretty sure that all this conflict (that is only relevant for the entertainment industry and not for the people) is very easy to confront and fixing.

    Simple. Putting to voting the copyright holders agenda with the millions of people from each country affected. I am pretty sure that the results will be very unfavorable for the entertainment industry, taken in consideration that they are a minority and that their agenda violates basic human rights and civil liberties.

  • Brave D

    Its just another day at the office, in this merry dance with how we want content to be.

    This is why I have kind of stopped voting altogether. These people that are put in power, do no proper research of their own, on both sides of the coin. They’ll just lap up whatever, the suited industry types say and kiss butt, U.K style.

    They think cutting people from the internet is going to help them, that’s quite laughable. Those in power are clueless to the legion of talented people out there across the globe. It took a small program like Bit Torrent to wake industry types up, and now they cry foul when they were forwarned, back in the mp3 days.

    The revolution will continue to march on, even if some fall along the road to what we really want. It funny in a way, to watch, these news reports, as always, they show one side of the argument, and the masses on the subject believe it all, because its on tv.

    Like we said, how do you prove, what’s streamed paid or freely, whats a free podcast, or my gaming online or a piece of legal/illegal software/film etc? Don’t see how it’ll ever work.

    We all know the true solution. These industries need reform and rethinking, because as broadband speeds increase, and talented tech people get smarter, they’ll always be more heads growing on this internet hydra of file sharing. There’s money to be made for them online, if they are brave and adjust. I just wish they’d take a leaf out of the japanese anime online distribution model. Seems Crunchyroll had the right idea.

  • Toddy

    30>
    Who the hell buys 10/10 (example) because he wants to view flashpages faster?

    It’s 99% about piracy.

  • RobbingHood

    Hopefully this could lead to something which I find tolerable.

    Personally, I can’t stand the ‘Big 4′ and the leeching scumbag’s at the MPA/RIAA making ANY money from Artist’s/Developers work at all as all I see them provide me with is ‘Age ratings’(which I’ve said before, good parenting should be there for that) and to promote content to which ‘they’ believe is going to make the most revenue.

    A business model I could swallow would involve this.

    Most of the UK’s popular ISP’s have DPI in place on their networks already, which in turn can be used to analyze users downloads.

    If this was such, and ISP’s agreed to pay Artist’s/Developers ‘directly’ from a small increase on my fee for service, a £1 pm sounds good to me, thats £4 million a month generated with Virgin Media customers alone, and this pot shared directly on popularity statisics generated from their DPI machines.

    I can see some problem’s with this ‘model’ but surely something along these lines would be a whole lot better than trying to cut people from the Internet completely, that’s only going send prospective customers even deeper underground.

    The multiple TLA’s/Lobbys need cutting out as they don’t have a business/remit in my eye’s.

    Just a very similar group to which Al Capone used to run(Slice of cake Boss?).

  • the.dwarfer

    virgin media are testing 200mb broadband for home use. tell be that’s not meant for d/loading blu-ray rips and complete back-catalouges in seconds.

  • LEM

    Doesn’t FranceGov have anything better to do?

  • Anonymous

    45 the.dwarfer
    “virgin media are testing 200mb broadband for home use”

    your wrong, its just for viewing the web :s

  • DrCalgori

    “your wrong, its just for viewing the web :s”

    What website would warrant a 200mb broadband connection to view properly? seriously?

    @36
    “Not at all. It’s all one and the same to the law and a great deal is being done about it; it’s either legal or it is not, and this is the illegal company you keep when you pirate.”

    How is it all “one and the same”. Could you provide some form of proof that they see all these as the same thing and are actually taking action against all those mentioned issues? I think your getting confused here…

  • MMx

    Off with their heads?

  • Mario

    Six million people is a sizeable voting block. Admittedly, many downloaders are too young to vote (and too young to buy online, which I’m sure is a reason why they download for free). This is the time to start a Pirate Party UK, because in a few years, they will have more power than the MAFIAA.

    The pirates will become the king-makers.

  • Rick

    Just hang in there guys. Everything will be fine.

    For now, don’t buy movies and music in any form except black market or dark net and just starve ‘em out.

    People have the power. It’s called “buying power.” Used en masse it’s awesome.

  • Mystik

    The True Voices,

    To see people say “once they cut my net connection I’m not buying a thing” that’s krazy. Think about it for a second. So long as you go to the Theatre, buy a DVD or Rent that new Movie you are …

    Supporting the actions against you with your own money,

    Keeping the cash going to them which they give to the Corrupt Government officials to get their way,

    Show them they can do what they want without any consequences.

    Remember the golden rule, “He who has the gold makes the rules” Take away the gold!

    The Real Agenda,

    They are building the foundation for the future. For the longest time they have had control over everything, they have lost that and want it back. People who think they are krazy or stupid are wrong. They have a plan and are pushing it.

    None of us know what it is, we can only speculate. Some speculations would be …

    Mo Money!, Mo Money!!, Mo Money!!! – Every-time you watch that movie or listen to that song pony up!

    Removing of independent artists -(another big threat) “Hey site A.com has indy’s only, but somehow they violated our copyright” (No proof required of course) opps no more Site A.com.

    Love My A.C.T.A.,

    The TPB trial verdict was unimportant (as well as any other legal battles), Any way it went did not matter to the **AA’s. If they lost no prob get wish list added to ACTA! If they win they will get a precedent to stomp other sites down. If it is appealed hey more wish listing from ACTA to prevent appeals next time. It’s a Win-Win-Win situation.

    Ignore the man behind the curtain,

    90% of people watch, read or view news from a source with a ($£€) pro-copyright interest. Of course many of those believe what they are told. They need to wake up and think for themselves.

    The New Reality!,

    Once the **AA’s get to where they want it to be, all the people who are “Entranced” will wake up to the new reality only to despise what is going on. Good-luck getting it changed then!

    It’s all ours and not yours!,

    In closing I want to leave you with a thought. Yesterday I was at a Nursery looking at plants for my mom for mothers day and picked up a ordinary looking plant with lime green leaves and on the tag it said “Plant Patent #xxx”. Remember it did not start with the **AA’s nor will it end with the **AA’s.

    Imagine what lengths any company will go to to generate additional bank from you. Think of all the new (horrid) things that can happen and then if we all do nothing we will all be in the new reality of owning nothing and paying royalties for everything!

  • .:.

    @19 Chris.

    You mean like the EU Ruling on retention of DNA?

    Don’t hold your breath m8…

    OT “a massive 50% of all Internet traffic can be attributed to piracy alone”

    Fukkkkkkkkkk yeah :) come & play Politicians. you’re in the shite ne way over expenses. Keep pushing…

    We ARE the people.

  • Anonymous

    43 –> Doesn’t FranceGov have anything better to do?

    ———-

    This seems my friend.

    I assume that Sarkozy is a parasite that has too much free time because he really doesn’t work at all; and he gets boring with all that “free” time and then he has that using it in something so “productive” as pursuing filesharers.

    The same applies for all the entertainment industry… too much free time without doing a real job damage the brain.

  • Glow God

    @the.dwarfer

    It’s not, it’s meant for streaming television to your eyeballs. People have turned away from old media sources and towards the Internet. This is to change. It’s imperitive that control of information is maintained.

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  • fight_the_tyranny

    What “piracy”, *cough*, “copyright infringement” problem? It’s only a problem to greedy corporations such as the MAFIAA. They effectively wrote these copycrap laws, and now they want us all to fall in line like good little sheep. Well fuck that and fuck their self-serving irrelevant laws.

  • fight_the_tyranny

    The MAFIAA and their copycrap laws can go to hell.

  • HisNez

    Poor, poor RIAA

    They should’ve adapted

  • manky goes to bollywood

    I’m sure there would be an outrage in the UK if we followed the French and went for a 3-strikes out rule, solely based on the fact most ISP’s here sell there product on the basis of it’s DOWNLOAD speed.

    Most Virgin adverts actually boast about the fact you can download music, films, etc at faster speeds than there competitors.

  • Anonymous

    With all the shit that is happening in the UK at the moment i would hope that Gordan Brown and his mates would be spending their time a bit more productively then wasting it on this garbage.

    It always makes me laugh when these dicks claim that they are losing millions of pounds every year from piracy. I don’t go to the flicks as most films these days suck huge balls, i no longer by CD’s or MP3 files for the same reasons. So how much more profit are they going to make if they disconnect me?

    I’ll tell you how much FUCK ALL.

  • TerribleTony

    Don’t worry, the French are much better at organising dissent than us lazy Brits. The law will not stand.

  • lord dave

    What do pirates do with the money they save from there illicit gains, bury it on a desert island?? I think not, they go out and spend it somewhere else, put in someone elses pocket. If all piracy suddenly ceases other business will suffer somewhere. The majority of people only have so much money to spend on passtimes.

  • wonderwhy-er

    Hey guys I actually started to wonder if France/UK/Sweden and other European countries have Public Initiative/Ballot Initiative/Referendum initiated by petition/enough citizen signs?

    In my country it is little bit hard to do as only president can postpone law ratification by parliament/senate for two months. Then if in those two months enough signs are collected on petition then referendum is initiated. So then if half of electorate goes to referendum and if out of those 50%+ majority votes “no” then law is not ratified no meter what parliament(and lobbies) want.

    So I wonder how such laws are in other EU countries? Can France citizens some how initiate referendum to reject the law?

  • brown bommer

    I hate the french, long live P2P

  • dutch

    hahaha the brits are as dumb as everyone else.
    good job!

  • aXXo

    @62
    Yeah I agree, and what I hate the most is that they just f/uck up the English language. Speak ENGLISH as in CORRECT ENGLISH you dumb bucked tooth species.

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  • Jigsy

    With what’s been going on recently, it’d be very hypocritical for the government to pass this law because people are “stealing” copyright material when they’ve been stealing taxpayers money to buy moats, houses for ducks, extra houses, etc.

    Which actually makes an interesting loophole for legal battles.

  • Nick

    I don’t think parliament are going to be passing many laws now that the extent of their corruption has been revealed.

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