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UK ISPs Block Pirate Bay’s Artist Promotions

Several UK Internet providers are blocking Pirate Bay’s perfectly legal promotion platform for independent artists. The Promo Bay website is currently being blocked by BT, Virgin Media, BE and possibly several other providers. A plausible explanation is that the Promo Bay domain is listed on the same blocklist that’s used to enforce the Pirate Bay blockade. However. the domain itself has never linked to infringing material, nor is it hosted on The Pirate Bay’s servers.

promo bayThis week saw the launch of The Promo Bay, an artist promotion initiative supported by The Pirate Bay crew.

The website is entirely dedicated to promoting the work of independent musicians, filmmakers and other content creators. They get to showcase their work to an audience of hundreds and thousands of people at no cost.

Initially, the promos were submitted through The Pirate Bay’s website but when the project grew too big it was outsourced to Aussie entrepreneur Will Dayble. He will now be in charge of sifting through the thousands of submissions and picking the best ones to feature on the Pirate Bay site.

However, if something doesn’t change, those submissions won’t include those from the many thousands of UK artists who might want to benefit from this unique opportunity.

It turns out that the Promo Bay website is being blocked be several Internet providers, showing a similar message people get when they try to access the Pirate Bay site. TorrentFreak was able to confirm the blocks for BT, Virgin Media and BE, but it’s possible that more providers are also blocking the Promo Bay.


Promo Bay locked for copyright infringement

The most plausible explanation is that the Promo Bay domain is listed on the same blocklist that’s used to enforce the Pirate Bay blockade.

In April, the UK High Court ruled that several of the country’s leading ISPs must censor The Pirate Bay since the site and its users breach copyright on a grand scale. Soon after, Virgin Media, BT, Everything Everywhere, Sky Broadband, TalkTalk, BE and O2 all blocked access to the world’s largest BitTorrent site. Several of the site’s IP-addresses and domain names were rendered inaccessible.

Promo Bay’s Will Dayble believes his site has ended up on some of the ISPs’ blocklists “by accident”.

“These providers are pretty monolithic and old school, I’d imagine it’s just a broad-scale block against a bunch of Pirate Bay properties and we fell under the net. I doubt it’s a pointed move against the Promo Bay in particular,” Dayble tells TorrentFreak.

If that’s the case then the ISPs in question may reconsider their blockade as the Promo Bay is helping, not hurting content creators. Also, the website is hosted on separate servers that have never been controlled by the Pirate Bay crew.

Whatever the reason, Dayble hopes that BT, Virgin, BE and others will correct their mistakes so that UK artists can submit their work as well. “Here’s hoping some clever tech in their ranks does something about it,” Dayble says.

Time will tell whether the ISPs in question will pick up the hint. Otherwise the Promo Bay may need a proxy of its own.

Update: The Promo Bay started a petition to get their site unblocked.

Update: As mentioned by Craig McLeod in the comments, on BT promobay.org is blocked but www.promobay.org isn’t. This is different from the other blocked domains, and suggests it was added later.

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  • asdf

    ROFL.

    Fucking idiots.

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      They really are freakin idiots, and I’m so impressed with just how cool Promo Bay’s Will Dayble is coz I’d be going 100% ballistic throwing every fecken nuke at them I could find.

      I’d also be seriously considering a Court case to ascertain the amount of financial loss sustained by the artistes signed up to the Promo Bay – after all, that’s how it works for the thieving MAFIAA – and put a claim in for millions of bucks of compensation lost due to the downtime caused by these stupid ISP’s.

      • asdf

        $150,000 per song per day of downtime seems like nice compensation.

        • DannyUfonek

          bitch please, at least $3M per song per hour is reasonable.

        • Guest

          Censorship against competition.

        • Guest

          Agree. it is time to bypass the ISP. The technology is there I don’t know why nobody is starting to use it yet.

          Definitively time to get rid of the corporate ISPs!

        • Tripping

          It was already clear, that all those actions were made for money,
          censoring that web makes it more transparent.

    • anon

      Fucking Assholes

      • Anon

        Fucking assholes indeed, this is not a mistake and has been done on purpose, the other day I could access The Promo Bay just fine and then after reading this article I cannot.

    • Artist

      The worst nightmare of the MAFIAA is not the Pirate Bay but the Promo Bay.

      The Pirate Bay (and Internet) took away their distribution monopole. Now the Promo Bay is taking their artists promotion monopole. Soon most artists will use the promo Bay instead of them and they will have nothing left.

      NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

      Already some artists decided to walk away from them.

      All these corporate pederasts deserve this a thousand time over and more.

      • Justin Beiber

        Here I come!!!

  • Dondilly

    The fact the promobay grew out of the many LEGITIMATE uses of the piratebay also can’t bee stressed enough.

    • http://twitter.com/CheapassFiction AeliusBlythe

      Yep. Important point.

      This is a much more OBVIOUSLY anti-artist move (/mistake?), but many people may not have realized how antagonistic blocking the Pirate Bay in the first place was. Cutting off a HUGE, global distribution platform was a really dick move. Will this finally make people stop and ask the copyright trolls the question THEY wave around: “What about the artists?”

      Probably not. But I can dream.

      • asdf

        The artists, firstly, need to stop signing with the RIAA, MPAA, and any other industry whores that don’t care for the artists at all. The MAFIAA requires money to survive, just like we need food to survive. Starve them of their food (money) and they will die out.

        • http://twitter.com/CheapassFiction AeliusBlythe

          Yeah, absolutely. My sympathy is mostly with the artists who HAVEN’T signed with the MAFIAA, but still suffer from hostile industry moves/mistakes like this. Hopefully, with more and more independent creators, more and more artists may realize they’re getting screwed either way.

        • asdf

          The indie artists need to convert the MAFIAA artists over to going indie.

          It’s possible to do, but it’s going to be hard since the MAFIAA artists are brainwashed so heavily.

        • Guest

          And the public need to stop buying crap from these Assholes.

          Come-on!

        • asdf

          I haven’t bought a song or a movie in let’s see….almost 20 years now.

        • Jackdeth

          That sounds nice, but is harder that it first seems. Most artists make the bulk of their money from playing live venues and merchandising. Unfortunately, RIAA member studios all have contracts in place with the best and biggest venues to disallow any groups that aren’t signed with a RIAA member studio from playing the venue. You can only go so far playing dinky clubs and bars. There are all sorts of anti-competitive contracts in place helping to maintain the status quo. So right now, unless you’re already a large and popular band, it’s hard going to be indie.

          Some things have gotten better with services like band camp and tunecore. And marketing is easier than ever thanks to Youtube and Facebook. But it’s still the old guards game to lose.

      • ScrewEwe2

        Dreaming is my favorite activity.

  • ScrewEwe2

    Guilt by association.

    • Violated0

      Lets not forget that the ones who did this TPB block in Court were the BPI (British Phonographic Industry) who are RIAA linked. Just like with DaJaz1 they have a history of trying to censor away lawful non-infringing music supply using their monopoly power to take out rival businesses.

      Since I highly doubt any court order has stated block sites that are not TPB then these ISPs simply should not be blocking a 100% lawful site. So I would give it a week and if not unblocked then all “mistake” theories can be binned.

      Then “The Promo Bay” or someone acting on their behalf would need to take this to Court to have a Judge order an unblock. That should take about 5 minutes with a digitally signed petition containing thousands of name of their artists.

      Still they if they ask these ISPs to remove these blocks first where these ISPs refuse then that opens up the possibility of a damages claim.

      • http://www.facebook.com/willdayble Will Dayble

        Wanna do it for me? :)

        I’m kinda busy running the site. Would love someone to throw together a petition…

        – W.

      • http://twitter.com/streaky81 Martin Nicholls

        “Then “The Promo Bay” or someone acting on their behalf would need to take this to Court to have a Judge order an unblock”

        Just ask for a judicial review, no need for petitions. The blocks are blatantly illegal in multiple ways – not least they’re anti-competitive. Personally I’d file a complaint with the Competition Commission while I was at it. We really need an effective equivalent to the EFF in the UK – if I win the lottery I’ll happily fund it ;)

  • Lozer

    It is also being blocked by TalkTalk which is the second largest ISP after BT.

    • Violated0

      BT is sure blocked here.

      I am impressed when both times a Judge ordered BT to do a block it is true to say that BT took many weeks to implement the block but here they are blocking a new service within 7 days of their launch.

      • Guest

        BT aren’t blocking it at my end. I said this in the last article. Strange how everyone else is blocked.

  • RabidSquirrel

    MAFIAA got scared of people getting free music for free legitimately…and so it starts…

  • Mister Mister

    I just hope this was a mistake.. otherwise get ready London streets

    • Guest

      London riots 2011 ROUND TWO!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QVFPUJ4UUFSZ4ZPAW3HKJE4C6Q J W

    “the ISPs in question may reconsider their blockade as the Promo Bay is helping, not hurting content creators.”

    What? All “Piracy” helps artists! Studies are proving that daily.

    • asdf

      Most of the music, movies, tv shows, games and software I have ever purchased has been thanks to piracy.

      Like for games, I pirate a game…if I like it I go buy it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QVFPUJ4UUFSZ4ZPAW3HKJE4C6Q J W

    Or, in the least, most.

  • CaptCosmo

    They want to destroy any other business model that they don’t control rather than adapt to the changing market. With that attitude I hope theirs crumbles in front of us all.

  • unusedcrayon

    On BT and not blocked from accessing it.

    • asdf

      That’s because the block applies the ISP DNS, so if you use something like OpenDNS you get around it.

      • Rv!

        Nope. Virgin media block this even when we’re using OpenDNS.

        • Tykestveu

          Maybe just maybe BT and virgin media dont block it using the same method ;)

  • RIAAtarded

    this is truly what scares rights holder. It isn’t piracy as study after study has shown it has no financial impact. It is being rendered obsolete.

    • asdf

      Survival of the fittest, if you will…and piracy and the current modern business model is surviving while the MAFIAA is going into a frenzy panic as they are headed towards extinction.

      • Yep

        I would say they are not going extinct as they are producing record topping blockbusters and at the same time mafiaa is crying piracy is kil*len em. Remember Avatar getting most pirated film and like record breaking $ at box office like 100 mil or something?

        • asdf

          And you remember how trashy Avatar was?

  • Guest

    I doubt the ISP’s will unblock The Promo Bay without being told by the High Court to do so or they will be in breech of the court order if they did unblock the site. If the ISP’s do go to the High Court (doubt that will happen as it will cost money) to get the site unblock then expect a serious challenge and fallout from the BPI in contesting this in court to keep the site blocked.

    • Jurist

      The problem is that no court never told them to block the Promo Bay and this make these ISPs liable.

      • chris

        The promo bay was block blocked because it is(was) affiliated with piratebay. The BPI requested both sites to be blocked and the idiot courts complied.

        • Jurist

          This is incorrect sir. No court order was issued for the blocking of “Promobay.org” because the site was not up at the time of the judgment. These ISPs are potentially liable for improperly censuring a site.

  • http://twitter.com/barton71 Craig McLeod

    As a VM customer, i just posted on their forum about this “mistake” (giving them the benefit of the doubt). They were quick enough to block TPB after the courts judgement, so lets see how quick they are to unblock.

    • Guest

      If the post gets deleted then it may show that VM doesn’t want to unblock the site.

  • Curious_Aint_It

    File this in the “WTF are they thinking?” file. This is just one more example of the “give them an inch and they’ll take a mile” philosophy.

    I’m tellin’ ya… These people are RELENTLESS!

    • asdf

      That’s ok.

      The harder they push us. the stronger we get.

      • Curious_Aint_It

        I agree with your ideology but the sad reality is they’re succeeding in their efforts. I’d love to start seeing some action in “the revolt” and some successes on our side.

      • Nevets Lleb

        According to science (Nash Equilibrium in game theory) the MAFIAA are loosing more and more according to their actions. Continual win/loose actions will always equate to continual loss.

    • Nobody_Special

      It’s a bit more like, “Give them an inch, and they’ll lasso you around the neck and drag you a mile on a gravel backroad.”.

  • Guest

    “Free market” in action.

  • Guest

    If anything this was a tactical move by the TPB boys; a round about way of proving a point. Only when isolating a legitimate use can you really see the scope of mashing all the good things in with the bad that come from questionable actions to achieve a goal. So TPB didn’t censor their users uploads, they also didn’t say that people couldn’t do what they wanted with their service. On the same token, as to those held to a higher legal standard such as ISPs, are required to block TPB- not the Promo Bay; as someone else said: guilt by association.

    While the Promo Bay project is now a separate entity its going to take a legal rumble to get the disassociation straightened out. Nagging ISPs one at a time will only get the site accessible in brown-out conditions as I imagine it will frequently be subject to black list updates at a higher level- such as thous from the courts. Likewise the courts won’t hear a case to support the provisional or permanent removal of the Promo Bay until there is a trend of mistaken censoring. Currently we are in the crucible stage that decides if the Promo Bay can survive at all in an environment where heavy handed censorship acts as a catch all to sites and services sharing the same name arbitrarily.

    I would like to see some UK entrepreneurs make services with “pirate” in their title to see if the censorship list extends to new entities on the net as a way to challenge the reliability of the system the Copyright enforces have in place. While The Promo Bay is just one example of how guilt can extend between sites by mere association showing that there is an arbitrary link just in nomenclature threw their system forces it to be refined, when there is an actual loss of money involved it can then be turned into a class action law suit where TPB [promo] has the chance to challenge the validity of the censorship regime, something that could also extend to the proxy services as they are not The Pirate Bay, they are mere conduits to the site/service in question.

    I guess the point of this little dissertation is that if the UK plans on claiming they do not intend to censor the internet in a defined legal sense we have to make those who are working to undermine that policy work harder to maintain their offensive on their targets by restraining them from affecting others in their attacks. If they want to fight against TPB [torrents] then let them, the boys running the operation have said they have no problem with it, for everyone else there needs to be a way to keep the enforcers honest and on target; make them use a laser pointer instead of a shotgun.

    • Yep

      “So TPB didn’t censor their users uploads, they also didn’t say that people couldn’t do what they wanted with their service.”

      nah post some history child model site pics or some child model pics and they get removed, they belong on web as they were their first. cp will also get removed and if u remember in the net begining, it takes internet to new meaning (internet is for porn) because most trafficked sites then (before illigal raids and deletions and shutdowns, operation ore, etc) was cp sites and it was top sites till censored aka raids, shutdowns, arrest, etc

      now maybe I am missing it but does tpb on tor allow u to post model and cp as u said?
      “”So TPB didn’t censor their users uploads, they also didn’t say that people couldn’t do what they wanted with their service.”

      see falkvinge.n et/2012/09/11/ch ild-p orn-laws-arent-as-bad-as-you-think-theyre-much-much-worse/

      • Guest

        I wouldn’t know personally but I would assume that there are examples on TPB. the ops don’t pretend to police their service but for glaring taboos I’m sure they make notable exceptions as that type of thing IS illegal in just about any jurisdiction on the planet; illegal In the sense of law if not exactly a moral one to a certain audience. the same argument could be made to the taboo release of autopsy records some years ago and how they are still online to this day (to my knowledge). they aren’t illegal or intrinsically wrong morally lest for concerns of privacy and respect for the dead.

        Do they allow it? yes, but they don’t condone it. Do they stop it? no, not on a significant scale; and finally, are there examples to back this theory up? I can assume yes but to confirm i would have to go out of my way to break the law and as I don’t feel like being a registered sex offender I’ll take an honorable pass on it. furthermore providing a link would get me banned from TF, just saying…

  • Anyone

    first I thought that they simply reused an IP covered by the previous court order, but this really seems to be targetted at Promobay, and not just “collateral damage”

    just shows you what all this “piracy” talk is about, it’s all about control and desperately trying to stay relevant for a failed industry

  • Hfrurtg

    Not being blocked by Talktalk!

    • Cr1t1c4l

      It is.

      • Guest

        Same as the BT update note:

        promobay.org is blocked.

        http://www.promobay.org is not.

        What have the BPI got against Serbian Reggae?

        • Wiziwig Streamer

          Interesting – same on BE broadband.

          Works with the www but not without

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          It’s not their serbian reggae.

          Hence they don’t like it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Spycrab-Spy/100003325871905 Spycrab Spy

    i posted on BT forum, with any luck they will see their error
    or i get a ban lol

    • asdf

      Your ISP has a forum? Cool. :D

  • Guest

    The reason I think that The Promo Bay is being blocked is because of the web address http://www.thepiratebay.se/promo as long as it remains under the umbrella of the pirate bay and has the pirate bay in its web address then it will continue to be blocked.

    • Anyone

      promobay.org is the URL that is being blocked

      hopefully this will cause people to see through the lies of the MAFIAA about TPB as well
      that should not have been blocked in the first place, they only want to close distribution platforms for independent artists and cite “losses” from “piracy” as reason

      • http://twitter.com/barton71 Craig McLeod
        • IHaveNoBalls

          You’re right!

      • Guest

        As the TLD is an org i wont be surprised that The Promo Bay gets added to the ICE hit list for seizure and shutdown.

  • Anonymous

    typical UK action now. censorship is a bigger priority even than getting rid of the deficit, especially when there is so much resistance coming out over the surveillance bill they want to introduce. it doesn’t matter whether the site(s) is/are legal or not. they have got so far up the entertainment industries arse, they dont know which way is out or how to get there! this is just one of what will probably be a good many sites, in retaliation for the people trying to stand up for themselves. mind you, the excuses being used to get the surveillance bill into law are almost word for word what the US government is using to get their cyber security bill passed. funny that, eh?

  • ItsTheSasquatch

    Just goes to show how completely irrelevant “the law” actually is–all that really matters is the will of the insatiably greedy, power-mad upper class. The only way to end this is to end them.

    I suggest forcibly exiling them–penniless–to Somalia, and letting nature take its course.

  • Tesla

    All we need is a P2P uncensorable DNS.

    • Amp

      cjdns, tor, i2p, freenet?

    • ScrewEwe2

      We may have uncensorable DNS services, for now, but a vote tomorrow December 3rd, in Dubai about the future of the internet could affect us all.

      “The U.N.’s War on the Internet: Could the Web Lose?”

      “….Incidentally, just this week, new leaked documents confirm fears that repressive governments truly are hoping to see the December WCIT meetings result in U.N.-sanctioned technologies for surveillance of Internet communications, which could essentially authorize censorship of the Web. Russia, specifically, is proposing an amendment that would give U.N. member states “unrestricted public access to international telecommunication services and the unrestricted use of international telecommunications, except in cases where international telecommunication services are used for the purpose of interfering in the internal affairs or undermining the sovereignty, national security, territorial integrity and public safety of other States, or to divulge information of a sensitive nature.”….”

      http://www.webpronews.com/the-u-n-s-war-on-the-internet-could-the-web-lose-2012-06

      This is a very good article and the video on the site is worth a watch. Since TF’s servers are in the US, many countries could block access to TF, or tax access to TF & other US sites, or really, any cross border websites. It’s bad enough that US governmental entities are trying to kill so called piracy related sites as well as the UK, Germany, Finland, etc., but this could serve to kill the cross border freedoms we have all taken for granted. The UN should not have the power in a closed private meeting to regulate or hinder an open and free internet.

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    Not very surprising when mixing legal and illegal services. Any user of Promo Bay must be aware of that risk.

    • Anyone

      how is promobay illegal?
      explain this to me

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        TPB is.

        • Anyone

          it is not
          and even if it was, what has that to do with anything?

        • Anonymous

          So what you’re saying is, guilt by association?

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @Anonymous

          “So what you’re saying is, guilt by association?”

          No, I’m not saying this, TPB is doing the association by themselves.

        • Anyone

          again, so what?

          does it matter which other legal sites the Promobay is affiliated with?
          they are also linking to Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. should those be blocked next?

        • Fredrika

          > “TPB is.”

          Not according to any relevant judicial system.

        • Guest

          Nejtillpirater simply wants the Promo Bay to die because it takes control away from the MAFIAA.

          Also, anyone else find it funny how he says he doesn’t have a problem with music being given away for free as long as its legal, and then the Promo Bay comes along which legally gives music away for free and he shits on it?

          My sides.

        • icec0ld

          This just in! Micheal Bay is guilty of piracy through association! Clearly the scum has bay in his name and therefore part of the so called illegal Pirate Bay!

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @Guest

          “Nejtillpirater simply wants the Promo Bay to die because it takes control away from the MAFIAA.”

          I do not want Promo Bay to die. And I don’t even work in the media business. It’s a matter of law and moral for me.

          “Also, anyone else find it funny how he says he doesn’t have a problem with music being given away for free as long as its legal, and then the Promo Bay comes along which legally gives music away for free and he shits on it?”

          Again, I have nothing against the Promo Bay.

        • Fredrika

          > “It’s a matter of law..”

          Do you mean that you reason like Judge Dredd and fascists? It is the law, and that’s the only thing that matters?

          > “..and moral for me.”

          Strange moral that, which leads you to running around and spreading lies about the fully legal site Pirate Bay.

          And let’s not forget that your moral seems to have lead you to these strange openly advocated opinions:

          You’re against copyright.
          You’re against property rights.
          You oppose free religion.
          You’re against the free market.
          You’re against successful entrepreneurs.
          You oppose the judicial system and due process.
          You advocate illegitimate legislation.
          You’re against human rights.
          You oppose the democratic system with elected governing officials receiving salaries.
          You advocate fascism.
          You advocate censorship.
          You advocate dictatorship style legislation.
          You advocate violations of human rights.
          You advocate that elected politicians should commit treason.
          You advocate a combination of communism and planned economy.
          You advocate private bailouts to failed industries.
          You advocate wasting scarce resources that was intended to protect pre-pubertal children from sexual abuse.

          I don’t think you’d find to many people in society that shares your rather astonishing moral..

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          You just won’t stop lying won’t you?

          TPB is quite legal. Irrespective of what you personally think or believe, your opinion still doesn’t carry the force of law.

          And since promo bay is NOT pirate bay…?

          So, tell me, NTP. How, exactly, do you end up with the idea that a user of ANY FULLY LEGAL SERVICE AT ALL should consider him/herself at risk from government intervention?

          If i obtain a shoe used by the previous owner to kick a dog, is it right and proper for the PETA to have me prosecuted for animal abuse for that reason? That’s what your argument boils down to.

          No government agency may sanction an act which assigns culpability to a third party which has not been proven guilty of wrongdoing. That much is a given in any civilized society. Which makes me wonder what sort of society You think you live in.

    • Anonymous

      if at some time you manage to do a bit of research before opening that useless cavern, the one situated between your chin and your snout, then by all means make a comment. until then, i suggest you shut the fuck up, as at the moment all you come out with is crap! TPB is not illegal! The Promo Bay is not illegal! get that into your thick skull before trying to join in to a sensible debate/conversation. the entertainment industries think everything they DONT LIKE is illegal. WRONG!! big difference there. try recognising it! instead of juet repeating/exaggerating what your corporate masters say, try thinking for yourself for a change!!

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        “TPB is not illegal!”

        The persons responsible for running TPB are running it in a way that makes it illegal in many countries, hence the jail sentences, the blocking etc.

        • Anyone

          so why is it still online?
          if it was actually illegal it wouldn’t be online anymore

          and the mock trial by biased judges doesn’t really count, all it did was show the corruption of the swedish justice system

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Not so, Nejtillpirater. At MOST, they are running something that they could be held civilly liable for because they are not earning any money at it.

        • Guest

          It’s illegal in the UK apparently. http://www.webpronews.com/uk-pirate-bay-illegal-2012-02

        • Fredrika

          > “The persons responsible for running TPB are running it in a way that makes it illegal in many countries..”

          Incorrect. The current mode of operation for Pirate Bay is considered to be fully legal according to all relevant judicial systems.

          > “..hence the jail sentences..”

          Which has nothing to do with todays Pirate Bay.

          > “..the blocking etc.”

          Injunctions does not decide what’s illegal.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “The persons responsible for running TPB are running it in a way that makes it illegal in many countries, hence the jail sentences, the blocking etc.”

          You just won’t stop lying will you?

          TPB is running quite legally in just about every country.

          All you are demonstrating now is blatant ignorance. The CRIA still operates legally despite having been proven guilty for massive fraud and infringement. The spanish Ifpi still operates legally despite their CEO’s having been sentenced for tax evasion and tax fraud.

          If TPB was operating illegally there would be a case and a warrant.

          There is not.

          That being the case, not only are you applying a blatant untruth as an argument – you are even applying it in the most hypocritical manner possible.

          The blocking has nothing to do with the legal status of TPB. And you really need to read up on the terms “injunction” and “equitable remedy”.

          All you are doing is to once again demonstrate frightening ignorance – or if you do know better, dishonesty and hypocrisy.

        • asdf

          The Pirate Bay could operate in the United States and it would still be 100% legal.

    • Guest

      So if someone does something illegal, e.g. larceny, we should prevent him from doing all other things that are legal, e.g. going to the toilet.

      Real classy, Nej. Still masturbating over the suing of 9-year-old children, I see.

    • Nejtillpirater

      Hey! Stop using my name corporate paid Troll!

      Folks, there is no point responding to this guy because he is paid to put fake posting with fake pro MAFIAA opinions. Nobody really think what he write. All of this is completely made up. Be aware that every time someone voice the typical MAFIAA propaganda line on a forum or blog, you can assume with 99% confidence that this person is pay by the industry to write this stuff.

      This is the case here. As a game you can try to spot the other posts he put under other names and make a list!

  • John

    This website worked fine on BE the other day, so it must have been added to the blocklist by someone…

  • http://www.wraithtdk.com Matthew Young

    Remember kids, censoring the internet to stop copyright violations is going to “help the music industry.”

  • Whatever

    UK artists don’t need promo bay, they use their new law for that (digital something…).

    Everybody knows that.

  • Guest

    Maybe the UK Pirate Party can use this blockade of The Promo Bay to show the censorship actions of the BPI when there is nothing illegal on the site in question.

    • MadAsASnake

      Add another proxy – which would help show the need for the existing proxy

  • Boxxy

    Anything to prevent progression of the media industry, eh?

  • Cksr83

    The Promo Bay is accessible via TalkTalk but Three couldn’t load the page.

  • 11

    It seems to be working for VM now too

  • Bill of Wrongs

    Whoa. Just whoa. This is massively unfair. The Promo Bay is a fully legal service where artists promote their own music. Essentially, this is an attack on the freedom of speech of these artists and the Promo Bay guys, while have breached no laws whatsoever.

    • Gen. Eric Guy

      Welcome to the Real World; where other people’s fantasies come true.

    • Dude

      Your paying for service, call and tell them you want it unblocked or you will cancel and spread the word around to your friends to do the same,

  • Hehe

    they IQ :{D my god

  • http://www.facebook.com/ihaveaspergers Gregory Oakley-stevenson

    Blocked by sky(just dosent return anything like thepiratebay site does)

  • Syn

    This is kind of misleading. The promo bay is on the domain thepiratebay.se/promo. Therefore, it’s blocked because it’s classed as a subsidary service. They didn’t intentionally block it, it was coincidentally blocked because the ISP blocks anything where the domain is thepiratebay.se.

    • Syn

      Nevermind, I didn’t read the last part..

  • Bran_else
  • HammyPirate8

    Be Promo bay
    Sue BPI, MPAA e.t.c for getting BT, Virgin E.t.c to block a legal site
    Ask for $150,000 per artists song
    Collect money
    Give money to PromoBay artists
    ?????????
    Profit

  • iMeZiV0x

    Confirming promobay.org is still blocked by VM. However, http://www.promobay.org is unblocked. If promobay.org redirected to an TPB subdomain, then it falls under the Court order and thus upheld. If it doesn’t then it has been blocked with out Court order and therefore can be challenged.

  • IainPurdie

    None of the artists being promoted on the PromoBay are owned by a major record label. Therefore they don’t count as real musicians. They’re not important. They’re not raking in cash for already rich media moguls. Therefore why should the UK government give a damn about them?

    It’s wrong, completely wrong, but I’d be (pleasantly) surprised if it were fixed any time soon. I currently can’t access any PromoBay site. Unless the UK Pirate guys fancy popping up a proxy?

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      That’s only if you are the MAFIAA. In the minds of everyone else, they are just as important as the major record labels.

      • IainPurdie

        Which was my point… I’ve worked with, promoted, know and review unknown and unsigned acts.

  • Sdfs

    both URLs blocked by BT

  • Mutt

    The government is staffed by Idiots and Dinosaurs.I’ll be so happy when they just eat one another.Go extinct. They are dangerous.

  • Guest

    Why is this website blocked at all? is the IP address the same as TPB? if not, that is reason enough to mount a huge legal challenge against whichever dumbass ISP for legal damages…

    • Anyone

      completely unrelated IP address

      it is a deliberate block, the BPI simply wants to block their competition

      • Guest

        Well then, all the less reason for the block to remain. Once challenged it would be dropped faster than a hot potato.

  • Milu

    At Virgin (UK) http://www.promobay.org works.

    • Anyone

      try it without the www

  • Kingk6@hotmail.com

    I’m with be. It’s not blocked.

    • ErnestoTF

      Interesting. I’m not sure how widespread this is on BE, most reports came from BT

      Gere’s a BE user group talking about it though http://beusergroup.co.uk/?id=908

      BE uses BT’s infrastructure so I assume that has something to do with it.

      • Guest

        Can the people here report back on wherever it’s blocked for you or not and which ISP you are on. If you don’t know who your ISP is GTF off torrentfreak.

  • Lo

    You can use the http://www.promobay.org to access the promobay on virgin media.

  • L34

    Those guys/that guy on Promo Bay called Bankai is really good, give it a listen!

    Reminds me of these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMARQvGzqzk (Called Papir, a danish band)

  • Thom

    I only hope the PromoBay files law suit against the ISP’s. Tit for Tat.

  • JG

    If it is an “honest” mistake (from the ISP stand point at least), that they just happened to accidentally be on the same block list as the pirate bay…. I’m curious how many other sites may “accidentally” be on that list as well… Especially if the list was generated and/or maintained by the MAFIAA… I could see them “accidentally” slipping in a few other IP addresses for other sites they’d like to get offline…. Of course I’m sure we would have heard about site X mysteriously going offline in the UK but not elsewhere…. Especially if it redirects to a page explaining the site has been blocked due to legal reasons rather than just generating a generic 404 page does not exist type of error…

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  • http://twitter.com/davejmurphy Dave Pleb Murphy

    Like BT promobay.org is blocked but http://www.promobay.org isn’t on Virgin Media too. Same blocklist?

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  • Lawnstone

    I was going to see which ISPs were blocking promobay.org via dns but, being in Australia, all but BT refused my queries.

    So just for some clarification:
    http://pastebin.com/U0NaTuxv

    Pastebin cause Disqus will mangle shit up.

    As for the unintentional block, that sounds highly unlikely. The IPs are nowhere near each other (logically and geographically) and the domains are completely separate. The only link between them is the whois info for thepiratebay.org and promobay.org. Last time I checked, nobody was blocking websites based on their whois data.

  • Lartza

    Here in Finland it seems promobay.org and http://www.promobay.org are both blocked by Sonera…

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  • Anonymous

    out of curiosity, has any information been released by the ISPs that are blocking this totally legal website as to why they are doing it? anything official from the government as to why they are encouraging this block (which they must be, on behalf of their lobbying friends in the entertainment industries)?

  • Anonymous

    should also have asked, as The Pirate Party UK has a Pirate Bay proxie going, why have they not asked what the block is being carried out for?

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  • Anonymouse

    As this stuff is free it reduces the profit legitimate rights holders can make selling their music.

    Also any covers performed by the bands are breaching copyright.

    In truth the music industry doesn’t like any music they don’t control and profit from.

  • BobMail

    Considering that the traffic for the site comes pretty much from piracy (from the main Pirate Bay site) it’s a pretty logical conclusion.

    It should also be noted that TPB isn’t exactly strong on rights, can anyone really vouch that the artist music on the site is actually there at the behest of the artist, and not from one of their harmful “fans”?

    Didn’t think so.

    Block on!

    • Fredrika

      > “Considering that the traffic for the site comes pretty much from piracy (from the main Pirate Bay site)..”

      Pirate Bay is not about piracy? It’s a fully legal site that performs no infringements at all by it’s functions. It’s a site dedicated to free speech, that allows people to use their human rights protected freedom to seek, receive and impart information through any media and regardless of frontiers, by uploading, indexing, searching for and downloading fully legal non-infringing non-copyrighted torrent files.

      > “It should also be noted that TPB isn’t exactly strong on rights..”

      On the contrary, Pirate Bay is one of the front runners when it comes to fighting for human rights such as free speech, and opposing censorship.

      > “..can anyone really vouch that the artist music on the site..”

      There’s no music on Pirate Bay, any more than what there are movies on IMDb.

      > “..their harmful “fans”?”

      There’s nothing harmful about non-profit piracy? That myth has been debunked for a long time. Pirates are the biggest spenders there is and they definitely do not harm any artists.

      > “Block on!”

      You advocate free speech oppression by censorship and violation of human rights? Ok then.

      • BobMail

        You are my favorite type of brainwashed idiot to address, because clearly you have no real life experience.

        “Pirate Bay is not about piracy? It’s a fully legal site that performs no infringements at all by it’s functions.”

        Do you think anyone would use TPB if there wasn’t all that tasty pirated material available through it? If the only think they had were totally legal downloads of things like Linux distributions and freeware, do you think they would get millions of visitors a day? Not likely. They are about piracy, people use them to get something for nothing, plain and simple. If you deny that simple reality, you really need meds because your grip on the universe has slipped.

        “On the contrary, Pirate Bay is one of the front runners when it comes to fighting for human rights such as free speech, and opposing censorship.”

        Horsecrap. They are the front runners of making a pissload of money off of other people’s work, and the free speech stuff is just a nice friendly positive front for the story. If it was only about free speech, do you think there would be that much advertising space on the site? Nope. It’s about making money – and while it’s hard to track, they have made a ton.

        “There’s nothing harmful about non-profit piracy? That myth has been debunked for a long time. Pirates are the biggest spenders there is and they definitely do not harm any artists.”

        It’s a mindless answer. If a single sale is lost, then piracy hurts. As for pirates being the biggest spenders, all I can say is imagine how much more they would spend if they didn’t get most of it for free.

        Recorded music sales dropped nearly 60% in a decade, while consumption went up many times over. There is no way to reconcile those simple facts without accepting that piracy has hurt tremendously.

        • Fredrika

          > “You are my favorite type of brainwashed idiot..”

          Pointing out facts and bringing attention to your incorrect claims makes one a brainwashed idiot? Ok then..

          > “..because clearly you have no real life experience.”

          When someone points out facts you come to the conclusion that that person has no real life experience? Ok then..

          > “Do you think anyone would use TPB if there wasn’t all that tasty pirated material available through it?”

          The fact that some things are tasty is irrelevant to the fact what Pirate Bay offers. And how do you know that it is pirated? You are aware of the fact that it is fully legal in many countries around the globe to index, upload and seed the latest Hollywood movie, in which case it isn’t piracy?

          And do you think anyone would use cassette tapes, double cassette players and CD-burners if it wasn’t for all that tasty pirated material?

          > “If the only think they had were totally legal downloads..”

          That’s the only thing they have.

          > “They are about piracy..”

          Because you say so?

          > “..people use them to get something for nothing..”

          Oh, you have a problem with capitalism and the desire to save money now as well?

          > “Horsecrap.”

          Ok then.

          > “They are the front runners of making a pissload of money off of other people’s work..”

          They make no money of other people’s work, any more than what Sony does when they sell cassette tapes, double cassette decks and CD-burners. Pirate Bay revenues are generated from the fact that they offer a world widely appreciated fully legal service, that performs no infringements whatsoever.

          > “..and the free speech stuff is just a nice friendly positive front for the story.”

          Nope.

          > “If it was only about free speech, do you think there would be that much advertising space on the site?”

          Ads do not cause a contradiction to free speech. Take a look at any newspaper and it’s ads.

          > “Nope. It’s about making money – and while it’s hard to track, they have made a ton.”

          If it were about making money they would have had ads from the beginning, but they didn’t start with that until the costs for running the site became to big. You should read up on Pirate Bay’s history and the clearly stated purpose from the beginning. Having ads to support the costs does not contract that.

          But if they had, what’s wrong with successful entrepreneurs making money?

          > “If a single sale is lost, then piracy hurts.”

          First of all, there’s no such thing as a lost sale, it’s called failure to sell, and the responsibility for that failure falls on the seller alone.

          Secondly, if piracy cause ten sales to be lost, and at the same time it generates twenty sales, than the net effect is positive. A positive net effect is not hurtful under any logic.

          > “As for pirates being the biggest spenders, all I can say is imagine how much more they would spend if they didn’t get most of it for free.”

          They currently spend more than ever before, there exists no more money to be spent.

          > “Recorded music sales dropped nearly 60% in a decade, while consumption went up many times over.”

          Yes of course? People lost interest in CD’s, and MP3′s weren’t sold during that decade. When you don’t even try to sell what people want how are sales not supposed to drop?

          > “There is no way to reconcile those simple facts without accepting that piracy has hurt tremendously.”

          Piracy has hurt nothing, the recording industry’s historically unmatched incompetence has hurt them.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Do you think anyone would use TPB if there wasn’t all that tasty pirated material available through it?”

          Which impacts whether a site is legal or not not at all. Strangely enough 99% of all burglaries are performed with common tools and yet no one’s ever thought of the idea of banning crowbars.

          Your argument is irrelevant to the statement you adress it, in other words.
          It’s even irrelevant if dual-use wasn’t established. The information supplied by TPB could as easily be supplied by the normal library index or for that matter, by IMDB’s own EAN numbers.

          “Horsecrap. They are the front runners of making a pissload of money off of other people’s work, and the free speech stuff is just a nice friendly positive front for the story…”

          Thank you for your personal opinion. It’s similarly irrelevant to whether TPB also has a perfectly legitimate usage or not. See above.
          By your own argument the biggest crooks of all would be General Motors since the most-used way of using a motor vehicle seems to be driving 5 mph past the limit.

          “It’s a mindless answer. If a single sale is lost, then piracy hurts. As for pirates being the biggest spenders, all I can say is imagine how much more they would spend if they didn’t get most of it for free.”

          Fredrika is actually quoting market studies to that precise effect. The “lost sale” you fantasize over does not exist. So what you are saying is that two government-commissioned studies and a number of independent ones have been performed by “mindless” experts.

          Or are you just making the claim that Fredrika is “mindless” because she is quoting empirically verifiable facts at you?

          To summarize then, you are wrong – proven wrong by both logic and verifiable fact – in every statement and observation you made which cannot be put down to your own personal opinion.

          Tell me, when you are talking about “brainwashed idiots”, did you really intend your definition to be “people relying on empirical fact, actual market data and established science?”

          If I were you I would – seriously – spend some time meditating about it being better to be silent and be thought an idiot than open your mouth and prove it to all.

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  • Mary Hairy Minge RHS.JJIP

    promo bay is hosting illegal content, it is the same as piratebay. who says any different is a total jerk. promo bay is a sweet idea and i am all for it, but there is no way the site will be unblocked as it is essentially piratebay with a few legal torrents on the main page. by the comments on here i reckon the human race is heading for armageddon, as not many of you have bothered to notice this before posting ridiculous comments that are troll like. what we could all do with is a torrent site that has ONLY legal content. one that conforms totally to the crappy copywrong twats and complies absolutely with all things that are required for it to stay up and going. only then will we be able to begin to challenge the industry face on regarding free file sharing, and until such a day it is no good going on about a stupid promo bay that merely skirts the issue by masquerading as a legit source for legal torrent files

    • Fredrika

      > “promo bay is hosting illegal content..”

      Promo Bay hosts only legal content.

      > “..it is the same as piratebay.”

      Pirate Bay hosts only legal content.

      > “..who says any different is a total jerk.”

      People pointing out facts are jerks?

      > “..as it is essentially piratebay with a few legal torrents on the main page.”

      All torrent are legal. There’s not one single judicial system in the world that says torrents are illegal.

      • Mary Hairy Minge RHS.JJIP

        whatever planet you are from, welcome to earth, things are different here

        • Fredrika

          > “whatever planet you are from, welcome to earth, things are different here”

          Oh, i see, with that personal attack you wanted to prove your ignorance, and at the same time plea for an education? Don’t worry, i’ll gladly help you!! Are you ready? Here we go!

          > “Promo Bay hosts only legal content.”

          This claim is factual. Promo Bay host only torrent files, and torrent files are not a creative work, torrent files are not copyrighted, and no court has ever deemed a torrent file to be illegal.

          > “Pirate Bay hosts only legal content.”

          This claim is factual. Pirate Bay host only torrent files, and torrent files are not a creative work, torrent files are not copyrighted, and no court has ever deemed a torrent file to be illegal.

          > “People pointing out facts are jerks?”

          Well, i repeat that question. Your claims were false, and when facts are brought to the table out regarding your misconceptions, you claim they are jerks? What would that make you, since you’re the one making incorrect claims? A super jerk?

          > “All torrents are legal. There’s not one single judicial system in the world that says torrents are illegal.”

          This claim is also factual, exactly as it is written. Torrent files are fully legal. I don’t think i can explain in any more clearer?

          So, are we done? Did you get it this time? Or is our actual reality here on earth to hard to grasp for you?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          If by “different” you mean “Yes, posting a unique NAME for a media file makes the NAME illegal to mention” then yes, things work differently.

          On whatever alternate reality you come from, anyway. Here on earth, posting a string of 20 digits doesn’t mean you perform an illegal act.

  • Xult

    Nobody as the finance of these buggers..

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