Comments on: ISPs To Send “Hundreds of Thousands” of File-Sharing Warnings

By: Gary Kasparov

Gary Kasparov — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:57:06 +0000

Death to those who dare force there ways against the will of the people.

Market forces are in action – people have the right to share with each other, it is a natural premise aand those who oppose sharing are going against this order.

We would not exist if their selfish wways were the natural order, the sselfish and greedy will die out because they have no place on this planet.

By: Ziet

Ziet — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:55:32 +0000

BE are owned by O2!!!

https://www.bethere.co.uk/generalFAQ.do#faq3

By: PJ____

PJ____ — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:12:14 +0000

Everyone must start using Peerguardian or an isp guard to make it harder for there isp`s to see what they are downloading, its a free download. They want a war lets give them one!!!!

By: Don't trust the greedy corporate liars

Don't trust the greedy corporate liars — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:33:40 +0000

“The Dark Knight is now estimated to make somewhere between $155 – $160 million this weekend, shattering the $151 million record held by Spider-Man 3 and massively out-performing expectations. To put it in some perspective, Batman Begins’ opening weekend take was less than a third of that, at $48,745,440. In fact, the opening weekend of The Dark Knight will be make more money than the entire theater run of George Clooney’s Batman And Robin ($107,325,195)”

Proof that file sharing isn’t hurting the profits of these industries. Their greed is the problem. They don’t like the idea of someone sharing their music,films etc with others because they foolishly believe that these people would buy the product , which we all know simply isn’t true. Most people before the Internet would share their records/tapes/movies with friends directly.
Now it is via the Internet these industries can ‘see’ the sharing, but it has always been there. Their greed is the problem, no one is going to go out of business and the so called lost revenue is a lie.

By: It wasn't me

It wasn't me — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:22:27 +0000

Simple solution when they send the letter, contact the ISP and explain that your network is wireless and not encrypted, therefore it could easily be one of your neighbours!

There is no current law to force you to protect your network from other people; therefore they have no grounds to ever cut you off. There wouldn’t be a court in the land that would be able to find against you. Plus this is simply a civil matter so you can tell them to go f**k themselves ultimately.

Not long to go anyway, Gordon Brown’s pisspot excuse for a government is about to implode under the weight of it’s own shit policies…

By: limonene

limonene — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:48:57 +0000

How’re they gonna tell whats legal from illegal?

also BE unlimited is owned by O2 as of 2006

Pirates used to be a few guys in boats stealing sugar, they tried to get rid of them then and now there are 6 million. they should just cut their losses and leave the filesharers to it.

By: meeee

meeee — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:44:00 +0000

if there going to start this well i hope the fcukers goes bankrupt and everyone canceling,to be honest can,t see this working by sending everyone a letter………..

By: Rob H

Rob H — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:39:38 +0000

“Regarding the BPI wanting UK ISP’s to cut off, after 3 strikes, the estimated 6 million customers illegally downloading music. I read somewhere that the BPI estimates that they are ‘loosing’ over a billion in annual sales due to this practice. I did some quick calculations and assuming that these 6 million customers are paying around Â£30 pm for their b/b service, this comes to a loss of over a billion pounds annually to the ISP’s. The BPI is in effect asking UK ISP’s to take this loss instead of them. Given that the 6 million b/b down loaders are actual paying customers, as opposed to a notional similar loss to the BPI from people who might have bought music, this is a ludicrous suggestion for them to make.”

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Even the price of stamps to warn us will be high…. just think about how many people will recive letters then times it by 3 because thats how many we will recive… 5p per stamp at the most? thats a lot of money…

Lets face the facts… they are never going to stop us even if they catch the occasional person and fine them we have still downloaded more then the fines worth in dvds, cds, games…

By: Coop

Coop — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:01:53 +0000

Yeah like this is the Queen’s fault. I love the Royal family, unlike that wonky-eyed cunt Gordon Brown and his money grabbing/wasting bunch of imbeciles.

By: saablaa

saablaa — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:44:55 +0000

james 150

How do you download torrents in stealthnet

By: AnarchyNow

AnarchyNow — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:51:24 +0000

KILL THE QUEEN KILL THE ROYAL INBRED FAMILY !

By: James

James — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:03:07 +0000

Brits. Try this out.. Getting more popular all the time. Totally anonymous + encrypted.

http://www.stealthnet.de/en_index.php

I feel sorry for you guys that your government is so stupid and cruel.

By: #YLS#

#YLS# — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:56:53 +0000

Just to update with a extra bit of news… http://www.openrightsgroup.org/newsblog/2008/07/government-targets-80-filesharing-reduction/

They plan to reduce downloading piracy by 80%

This seems rather a high mark considering how the UK goverment has shown it’s self to be useless at any aspect involving computers.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:32:59 +0000

Say goodbye to people bying seperate Hard-Drives, DVD+-R/W, CD+-R/W, unlimited internet connection etc. lol.

I don’t find it completely funny as I do download alot of stuff but the goverment have not thought this through.

They will lose out as people who download movies and music are people who wouldn’t buy the stuff if it wasn’t free.

So they lose revenue in form of the above extras (dvd-discs, cd-discs, hard drives, unlimited internet connection charges) and don’t gain anything because no-one would buy the stuff they’ve stopped us downloading anyway.

lol, I know I’m right and can’t wait for the goverment and industries to realise this (no free advertising, no nothing).

Fucking whingeing twat stains

By: Art

Art — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:25:46 +0000

Encryption won’t help from your torrent downloader that just hides you from the ISP – if even that. The BPI watch the IPs of a bunch of MP3s trace all the IPs they see to the ISP, if its one of the big 6 then post them an IP, date and whatever – they can’t get much more then the ISP, who can identify who was on that IP at that time will send you a letter. there is no data protection breach there is no encruption – the BPI – the end user can see your IP the encryption in things like Utorrent only encrypts the transfered data not your IP.

One really decent way is to mask your IP, VPNs work really well, the BPI would ONLY see your IP as foreign and leeve you well alone, your isp can also then only see a bunch of encrypted data. Just choose a ‘safer’ country to host your VPN – ie NOT here or USA.

By: lixxus

lixxus — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:25:28 +0000

regarding us getting ripped off here in the UK. its because of the stupid VAT tax 17.5%

the government are cunts. they tax us on everything. soon we gonna get taxed on air

By: lixxus

lixxus — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:22:44 +0000

i suggest you guys. sign up to private trackers and enable encryption. so they dont know what ur downloading. also piratebay has ssl encryption on there site. so is useful for concealing shit. and stop them from sniffing. if this shit gets out of hand. im guess rapidshare and similar sites will get very popular. these cunts are already monitoring gnutella network. anyone using limewire of similar client protocol should reconsider

By: spudgun

spudgun — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:13:50 +0000

First there is no longer a GREAT Britan!It is the same with anything that you buy in the UK weather it be a car,a suit or CD!A complete RIP OFF!Most things are produced here,printed and packaged etc.Then we can go th the shops and pay say Â£11.99 for a cd in the charts top 40 etc in the uk where as i said it was produced,to then go on holiday to say the usa and buy what was produced here for half the price!!!!!!!!!!!ie should only cost a Fiver here which most people would be willing to pay if the album was half decent.So the morale is RIPP OFF BRITIAN!!!What do they expect to happen,Dim gits,best way if any threats is to just not use net at all ie no connection!Lets see how much they would loose from that!Probably nothing as the great MR BROWN (brown is also the colour of something i leave in the tiolet the PRATT)WIll just tax us on something else,the lucky motorist probably.I agree with what others have said and need to stand up to them!WE pay more for everything now lets enjoy the new gas prices! ENOUGH SAID.

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:22:23 +0000

Oh.. fuckk.

What next.. are they going to put CCTV cameras in our toilets….

By: John

John — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:52:04 +0000

That sucks,

I hope the persons WIFI I am using does not get into to much trouble :P

By: enddays

enddays — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:43:20 +0000

Regarding the BPI wanting UK ISP’s to cut off, after 3 strikes, the estimated 6 million customers illegally downloading music. I read somewhere that the BPI estimates that they are ‘loosing’ over a billion in annual sales due to this practice. I did some quick calculations and assuming that these 6 million customers are paying around Â£30 pm for their b/b service, this comes to a loss of over a billion pounds annually to the ISP’s. The BPI is in effect asking UK ISP’s to take this loss instead of them. Given that the 6 million b/b down loaders are actual paying customers, as opposed to a notional similar loss to the BPI from people who might have bought music, this is a ludicrous suggestion for them to make.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:38:07 +0000

A download tax?! Here in the states, I think that would be called “Corporate Welfare.” Poor, poor beleagured music industry execs… mean internet pirates are cutting in on their already ill-gotten gains (read: they steal from the artists with impunity, then complain about filesharing). Hypocrisy? You bet!

By: Cooper

Cooper — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:40:19 +0000

With reference to ‘good’ ISP’s for torrenting, I’ve just spoken to a colleague who has received a warning letter from BE.

Another ISP off the list. This isn’t looking good folks.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:36:21 +0000

Are they looking out for torrent downloaders too??!?

Its a huge mistake what they are all doing..

Gordon Brown is a popular guy.. isn’t he? HA!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:38:35 +0000

Filesharing is a joke anyway.

If it’s not the industry screwing people over, it’s some pompous cunt who thinks his private ‘members only’ sharing website is promoting free music.

Both as bad as each other.

By: interesting

interesting — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:32:17 +0000

i won’t download/buy/listen/watch anything that has to do with the music industry. If we this for a month then maybe they will reconsider banning/overcharging free p2p advertising misnamed “piracy”

By: JJ

JJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:31:12 +0000

The tax could work if the funds were allocated by the popularity (frequency) of the track or film being downloaded. Getting the artists to agree on the payment they are due per download would be difficult.

“Concentrating on touring and live performances” would not work for all genres of music. Many producers of trance music for example are unlikely to tour and yet should be paid for their efforts if they produce a great track.

A licencing system with various tiers depending on the amount you download could work. And would benefit producers and consumers alike.

By: Crammy

Crammy — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:06:52 +0000

well this sucks, can they still get you if you encrypt the torrent you donload? and or use proxy websites?

hmmm?

By: You must be dreaming

You must be dreaming — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:55:30 +0000

“I think the ‘download tax’ is a great idea…The problem would be allocating the funds to the artists.”

Exactly, it would never work! What is to stop people starting to release crap music put together in ten minutes and then apply for a share of the funds?

It’s yet another non-workable idea from the failure Gordon Brown Labour government. Here’s a better idea, why not accept that making a fast buck from selling overpriced music is over and concentrate on touring & live performances? Revenue from ticket sales for live gigs is the way forward for music – the days of the rich music exec are over, they can cry all they want, they were holding us to ransom anyway.

By: JJ

JJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:14:46 +0000

Does anyone have any suggestions on how you could ‘mask’ your torrent downloading activities from you ISP?

By: JJ

JJ — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:11:20 +0000

I think the ‘download tax’ is a great idea. I would pay at least the suggested Â£30 for unlimited downloading of materials. This would help ensure artists are reimbursed for their efforts fairly and the film industry will continue to produce better films. The problem would be allocating the funds to the artists. Without there being a global standardisation of the ‘tax’ I dont think it would work. Its very unlikely that all countries would agree on a policy in my opinion.

By: Feargal Handshandy

Feargal Handshandy — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:31:12 +0000

All of the providers that have signed up to this scare tactic are completely rubbish anyway. BT are probably the worst ISP in the world, so they will lose even more customers than they already are if they do this.

My advice, join up with any of smaller ISPs mentioned here, and hope the likes of BT and Virgin all go broke. Bring on the recession and fuck em all.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:04:31 +0000

at the end of the day isp will never stop p2p as its far to big there must be fucking millions of people at it and and sending all them letters wont do much as people will just light there fires with there letters or wipe there arses on it may the p2p live on for many years years to come and we all know the isp cap us 12 hours a day and thats illegal any way as we pay for an unlimited service so fucking give us it

By: john

john — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:15:12 +0000

@108 very true we really should
shockingly the goverment wants more money becuase there all greedy twats and then they just spend it on more useless bolloks. anyway if every1 switch to o2 or be demon or whoever n well be sorted. the tratorous isps will backdown once there customer base fucking plumits. anyway 02s really cheap and really good apaprently im switching from virgina asap

By: Kevin

Kevin — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:39:59 +0000

Oh well.. Guess the entire UK is now on my Block list. Until the people knock some sense into their Politicians that is.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:12:03 +0000

@123
Perhaps even send multiple such insulting letters so that they pay even more.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:10:45 +0000

Everyone who has received a warning should e-mail them back with insulting messages.

By: Gordon is a moron

Gordon is a moron — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:41:31 +0000

This country is a complete fucking joke with a clown for PM. Do they really think we will sit back and put up with this continued rape of our finances? Every ‘initiative’ this government develops is another fucking tax! These MPs are the same bastards who in the same breath award themselves 26% pay rises, Â£24,000 expenses to furnish their 2nd homes and another Â£350,000 to employ their families working as “researchers”. Double fucking standards don’t even come close. Bunch of thieving tossers.

Anyone remember the poll-tax riots? Because there’s a real feeling of discontent building in this shithole of a country. I’ve got an ‘initiative’ Gordon – why don’t you fuck off to Iraq, you’d probably be more welcome there…

By: Bojangles

Bojangles — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:19:29 +0000

Better still; send it back without a stamp so they pay the postage ^_^

Anyone know of any non-deepthroating ISPs excluding O2/(Be*) or Demon?

By: As An Industry Slowly Dies.....

As An Industry Slowly Dies..... — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:57:46 +0000

@108 Jul 24, 2008 at 20:01 by jack

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“ISPs To Send “Hundreds of Thousands” of File-Sharing Warnings”

What happens if 100′s of thousands of people email them back telling them to blow it out their ass?

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LOL! Best answer yet. :P

By: Blow me Vadera

Blow me Vadera — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:39:01 +0000

Â£10,000 for that paki Baroness Vadera’s head…

hxxp://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4387283.ece

By: Dante Xaiver

Dante Xaiver — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:16:24 +0000

119 send it back with a response see what happens tell them you do not need to be harassed

By: anon

anon — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:13:53 +0000

I just got a warning I guess its not related though, it came from Road Runner, in the US.

By: Dante Xaiver

Dante Xaiver — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:29:52 +0000

we really need to organize a weekend of protesting via file sharing make it around the world event spread the world intact lets make it a once the month thing let saturate our networks and if we get isp letters lets sending them back to them along with a letter of our own stating our cause

I am from Canada and am on Shaw cable internet they have vowed to never rat out their customers or issue cease and desist letters well that is until they may be force to by Bill c61

By: Nwotnot

Nwotnot — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:05:52 +0000

Here in China, the “Criminals” make money on a DVD-copy network selling excellent DVD rips for UK30p. I kid you not.

For this UK30p you get a printed DVD as good as the original, a plastic sleeve in a cardboard envelope-sleeve, and a DVD printed sleeve, again as good quality as retail, to put into your own plastic case.

Now, if these “Criminals” can make money for all this on UK30p, which includes manufacture and distribution with profit to all who parties in the chain, the question is:-

How much profit do the “Criminals” in the west make at UKÂ£10 and more foe a DVD?

Just a thought, which may explain why people are aggrieved at paying for them.

Nwotnot.

By: God

God — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:50:37 +0000

Thank GOD! I am in Russia!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:06:02 +0000

Isn’t it funny how hopeful people were for Labour back when Blair won the election… they turned out to be the stuff of nightmares, a bunch of criminals apparently taking inspiration from 1984. We need to throw these fucks out, for starters!

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:48:40 +0000

Seems to me that the down load tax they spoke of would be a license to download anything anytime. I’ve heard rumors of this type of thing in other places, including the US(where I’m at) and if something like that went through you shouldn’t have to worry any more. What it means to me is this; Copyrights holders would no longer have a leg to stand on for prosecuting uploaders. Said uploaders would have receipt(ISP bill) showing that they paid for any and all content that they download/upload. And only those that have paid this tax would have access to the uploads as well. If they pursued people for “making available”(uploading) they should 1)be thrown out of court and fined for wasting the courts time, and 2)be required to “make available”(upload) any and all IP due to the fact that everyone with an internet connection has already paid for it.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:31:30 +0000

and let me add this. Let it be and example on how _NOT_ to do business. if they bow so easily to pressure what else are they willing to share with RIAA/MPAA/ETC

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:30:12 +0000

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