Comments on: Uncovering The Dark Side of P4P http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:05:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: YouAreAllSoYesterday http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489881 YouAreAllSoYesterday Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:21:54 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489881 1st, eMule died bcs of Bittorent Now, Bittorrent die(d/s) bcs of Wua.la (http://wua.la). Maybe some of you should have a look at Wua.la. Its save, its fast, its encrypted and works different (UDP only) and can not be throttled like bittorrent is. Give it a try and join the biggest groups on Wua.la or create your own groups. ;) 1st, eMule died bcs of Bittorent
Now, Bittorrent die(d/s) bcs of Wua.la (http://wua.la).

Maybe some of you should have a look at Wua.la. Its save, its fast, its encrypted and works different (UDP only) and can not be throttled like bittorrent is.

Give it a try and join the biggest groups on Wua.la or create your own groups. ;)

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489344 Anonymous Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:32:31 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489344 if it ain't broke don't fix it if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

]]> By: As An Industry Slowly Dies..... http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489121 As An Industry Slowly Dies..... Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:21:14 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489121 All I had to hear was that Dan Glickman and the MPAA were involved (not to mention those scum at Viacom) to realize that this one is a no-brainer. These people can NEVER be trusted. EVER. It's all about control. They realize they no longer have it and they will do anything to get it back. Not on my watch. :P All I had to hear was that Dan Glickman and the MPAA were involved (not to mention those scum at Viacom) to realize that this one is a no-brainer. These people can NEVER be trusted. EVER.

It’s all about control. They realize they no longer have it and they will do anything to get it back.

Not on my watch. :P

]]> By: fort1 http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489094 fort1 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:00:20 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489094 Good point, @6 ! "Aug 24, 2008 at 21:50 by hdt It will also allow for easier prosecution, since both the sender and receiver are far more likely to be in the same jurisdiction, provably so I would think." Good point, @6 !

“Aug 24, 2008 at 21:50 by hdt

It will also allow for easier prosecution, since both the sender and receiver are far more likely to be in the same jurisdiction, provably so I would think.”

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489042 Anonymous Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:52:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489042 If ISPs what it, then I don't. If ISPs what it, then I don’t.

]]> By: Phishybongwaters http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489012 Phishybongwaters Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:34:55 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489012 a peer to peer networking model, invented and developed by the MPAA and RIAA. Do you need to actually say anything else on this subject? Here's my impression: slow, painfully slow downloads, and you'll have mpaa snooping on your system, as you've installed a nifty logger/backdoor by using any p4p enabled client. good luck folks "Ummm, no your wrong - get a clue. BT natively picks arbitary clients (regardless of speed). AND if you think it makes no difference:" Umm, you're half right. The clients are picked arbitrarily BUT the connections are maintained by the quality of the connection. Your client picks peerA and peerB. PeerA sends data back to you slowly, your client drops peerA and keeps the line open to peerB. That's how it works, ignoring the availability factor of course. a peer to peer networking model, invented and developed by the MPAA and RIAA.

Do you need to actually say anything else on this subject?

Here’s my impression:

slow, painfully slow downloads, and you’ll have mpaa snooping on your system, as you’ve installed a nifty logger/backdoor by using any p4p enabled client.

good luck folks

“Ummm, no your wrong – get a clue. BT natively picks arbitary clients (regardless of speed). AND if you think it makes no difference:”

Umm, you’re half right. The clients are picked arbitrarily BUT the connections are maintained by the quality of the connection.

Your client picks peerA and peerB. PeerA sends data back to you slowly, your client drops peerA and keeps the line open to peerB.

That’s how it works, ignoring the availability factor of course.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489011 Anonymous Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:30:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489011 So they now want the public to bear the cost of their infrastructure and then sell it back to us. So they now want the public to bear the cost of their infrastructure and then sell it back to us.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489002 Anonymous Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:22:42 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489002 "this already exists, its called IPfilters… which is already integrated in both Azureus and uTorrent. (its up to the end-user on how efficient their filters are)" This has nothing to do with IP filters. “this already exists, its called IPfilters… which is already integrated in both Azureus and uTorrent. (its up to the end-user on how efficient their filters are)”

This has nothing to do with IP filters.

]]> By: Drake http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488998 Drake Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:41:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488998 Good article. P4P is definitely not a step forward and, as you pointed out, considering the groups involved this will only benefit ISP's and the entertainment industries. Good article. P4P is definitely not a step forward and, as you pointed out, considering the groups involved this will only benefit ISP’s and the entertainment industries.

]]> By: Ryan http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488969 Ryan Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:43:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488969 P4P is being developed specifically for protected, non-copyright infringing content. It is being worked on by companies like Pando that are working to deliver ONLY 'premium' content via P2P, and are looking for ways to make it network-friendly so that they don't piss the ISPs off. As far as I know, there will be no private, open-source clients that work with P4P because they can't ensure that non-pirated content is not running over the networks. As for slowing down traditional, non-P4P filesharing -- that's not a part of the plan. Non-P4P clients will still exist -- they just won't work as fast and won't connect to P4P-engineered apps. P4P is being developed specifically for protected, non-copyright infringing content. It is being worked on by companies like Pando that are working to deliver ONLY ‘premium’ content via P2P, and are looking for ways to make it network-friendly so that they don’t piss the ISPs off. As far as I know, there will be no private, open-source clients that work with P4P because they can’t ensure that non-pirated content is not running over the networks.

As for slowing down traditional, non-P4P filesharing — that’s not a part of the plan. Non-P4P clients will still exist — they just won’t work as fast and won’t connect to P4P-engineered apps.

]]> By: casey http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488962 casey Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:29:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488962 Pay for music you like. Buy directly from the artist (or a trusted indie) wherever possible. Pay for music you like. Buy directly from the artist (or a trusted indie) wherever possible.

]]> By: lol http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488958 lol Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:07:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488958 this already exists, its called IPfilters... which is already integrated in both Azureus and uTorrent. (its up to the end-user on how efficient their filters are) project fails on so many levels. this already exists, its called IPfilters… which is already integrated in both Azureus and uTorrent. (its up to the end-user on how efficient their filters are)

project fails on so many levels.

]]> By: Diji1 http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488957 Diji1 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:03:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488957 @15 : "Clients are already quite good at sensing which peers provide good speed. Peer-for-peer will not increase speeds" Ummm, no your wrong - get a clue. BT natively picks arbitary clients (regardless of speed). AND if you think it makes no difference: 1) you are clueless 2) try the Ono plugin for azeurus and try telling me that. @15 : “Clients are already quite good at sensing which peers provide good speed. Peer-for-peer will not increase speeds”

Ummm, no your wrong – get a clue. BT natively picks arbitary clients (regardless of speed). AND if you think it makes no difference:

1) you are clueless
2) try the Ono plugin for azeurus and try telling me that.

]]> By: Jim Jones http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488944 Jim Jones Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:13:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488944 Sadly ,"collaboration" is the key which means it'll never fly! RD http://www.decrypt.net.tc/ Sadly ,”collaboration” is the key which means it’ll never fly!

RD
http://www.decrypt.net.tc/

]]> By: fdsre http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488936 fdsre Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:04:53 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488936 it sucks black mans cock it sucks black mans cock

]]> By: Bean http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488930 Bean Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:02:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488930 The ONO project does this already by studying backbone architecture and determining peers who are (roughly) closer to each other on the network. Its free, open source and already works pretty well. P4P on the other hand is the "officially approved" version of the same concept. Apparently the MPAA and the ISPs think they need to be actively involved in "making p2p more efficient" which is industry code for "we want to control what you download". Fuck em. Support ONO instead. http://www.aqualab.cs.northwestern.edu/projects/Ono.html The ONO project does this already by studying backbone architecture and determining peers who are (roughly) closer to each other on the network.

Its free, open source and already works pretty well.

P4P on the other hand is the “officially approved” version of the same concept. Apparently the MPAA and the ISPs think they need to be actively involved in “making p2p more efficient” which is industry code for “we want to control what you download”.

Fuck em. Support ONO instead.
http://www.aqualab.cs.northwestern.edu/projects/Ono.html

]]> By: MeH... http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488928 MeH... Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:49:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488928 Has anyone ever done a WHOIS on themselves? Anyone ever used something like speedtest that tells you your ISP? All you got to do is add an IP look up table to the current system for people who are on the same ISP as yourself, and then if there isn't anyone then back down to P2P level again. They seem to be making this more complicated than it really is. The information is free and is out there you just got to go and find it! xD MeH... Has anyone ever done a WHOIS on themselves? Anyone ever used something like speedtest that tells you your ISP?

All you got to do is add an IP look up table to the current system for people who are on the same ISP as yourself, and then if there isn’t anyone then back down to P2P level again.

They seem to be making this more complicated than it really is. The information is free and is out there you just got to go and find it! xD

MeH…

]]> By: Rekrul http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488927 Rekrul Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:40:30 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488927 "One might wonder, why is the MPAA involved in all this? Obviously their agenda is to stop copyright infringement, so we have no reason to believe that they will try to steer P4P in this direction as well." We have no reason to believe that they will try to steer P4P in this direction as well? Hooray! The MPAA is on our side! ;) “One might wonder, why is the MPAA involved in all this? Obviously their agenda is to stop copyright infringement, so we have no reason to believe that they will try to steer P4P in this direction as well.”

We have no reason to believe that they will try to steer P4P in this direction as well? Hooray! The MPAA is on our side! ;)

]]> By: ... http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488926 ... Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:40:09 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488926 They will cleanse infringers "Peer-for-Peer".. They will cleanse infringers “Peer-for-Peer”..

]]> By: 8910 http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488925 8910 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:20:19 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488925 icicic icicic

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