Comments on: Uncovering The Dark Side of P4P http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:40:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: YouAreAllSoYesterday http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489881 YouAreAllSoYesterday Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:21:54 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489881 1st, eMule died bcs of Bittorent Now, Bittorrent die(d/s) bcs of Wua.la (http://wua.la). Maybe some of you should have a look at Wua.la. Its save, its fast, its encrypted and works different (UDP only) and can not be throttled like bittorrent is. Give it a try and join the biggest groups on Wua.la or create your own groups. ;) 1st, eMule died bcs of Bittorent
Now, Bittorrent die(d/s) bcs of Wua.la (http://wua.la).

Maybe some of you should have a look at Wua.la. Its save, its fast, its encrypted and works different (UDP only) and can not be throttled like bittorrent is.

Give it a try and join the biggest groups on Wua.la or create your own groups. ;)

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489344 Anonymous Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:32:31 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489344 if it ain't broke don't fix it if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

]]> By: As An Industry Slowly Dies..... http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489121 As An Industry Slowly Dies..... Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:21:14 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489121 All I had to hear was that Dan Glickman and the MPAA were involved (not to mention those scum at Viacom) to realize that this one is a no-brainer. These people can NEVER be trusted. EVER. It's all about control. They realize they no longer have it and they will do anything to get it back. Not on my watch. :P All I had to hear was that Dan Glickman and the MPAA were involved (not to mention those scum at Viacom) to realize that this one is a no-brainer. These people can NEVER be trusted. EVER.

It’s all about control. They realize they no longer have it and they will do anything to get it back.

Not on my watch. :P

]]> By: fort1 http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489094 fort1 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:00:20 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489094 Good point, @6 ! "Aug 24, 2008 at 21:50 by hdt It will also allow for easier prosecution, since both the sender and receiver are far more likely to be in the same jurisdiction, provably so I would think." Good point, @6 !

“Aug 24, 2008 at 21:50 by hdt

It will also allow for easier prosecution, since both the sender and receiver are far more likely to be in the same jurisdiction, provably so I would think.”

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489042 Anonymous Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:52:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489042 If ISPs what it, then I don't. If ISPs what it, then I don’t.

]]> By: Phishybongwaters http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489012 Phishybongwaters Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:34:55 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489012 a peer to peer networking model, invented and developed by the MPAA and RIAA. Do you need to actually say anything else on this subject? Here's my impression: slow, painfully slow downloads, and you'll have mpaa snooping on your system, as you've installed a nifty logger/backdoor by using any p4p enabled client. good luck folks "Ummm, no your wrong - get a clue. BT natively picks arbitary clients (regardless of speed). AND if you think it makes no difference:" Umm, you're half right. The clients are picked arbitrarily BUT the connections are maintained by the quality of the connection. Your client picks peerA and peerB. PeerA sends data back to you slowly, your client drops peerA and keeps the line open to peerB. That's how it works, ignoring the availability factor of course. a peer to peer networking model, invented and developed by the MPAA and RIAA.

Do you need to actually say anything else on this subject?

Here’s my impression:

slow, painfully slow downloads, and you’ll have mpaa snooping on your system, as you’ve installed a nifty logger/backdoor by using any p4p enabled client.

good luck folks

“Ummm, no your wrong – get a clue. BT natively picks arbitary clients (regardless of speed). AND if you think it makes no difference:”

Umm, you’re half right. The clients are picked arbitrarily BUT the connections are maintained by the quality of the connection.

Your client picks peerA and peerB. PeerA sends data back to you slowly, your client drops peerA and keeps the line open to peerB.

That’s how it works, ignoring the availability factor of course.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489011 Anonymous Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:30:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489011 So they now want the public to bear the cost of their infrastructure and then sell it back to us. So they now want the public to bear the cost of their infrastructure and then sell it back to us.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-489002 Anonymous Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:22:42 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-489002 "this already exists, its called IPfilters… which is already integrated in both Azureus and uTorrent. (its up to the end-user on how efficient their filters are)" This has nothing to do with IP filters. “this already exists, its called IPfilters… which is already integrated in both Azureus and uTorrent. (its up to the end-user on how efficient their filters are)”

This has nothing to do with IP filters.

]]> By: Drake http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488998 Drake Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:41:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488998 Good article. P4P is definitely not a step forward and, as you pointed out, considering the groups involved this will only benefit ISP's and the entertainment industries. Good article. P4P is definitely not a step forward and, as you pointed out, considering the groups involved this will only benefit ISP’s and the entertainment industries.

]]> By: Ryan http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488969 Ryan Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:43:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488969 P4P is being developed specifically for protected, non-copyright infringing content. It is being worked on by companies like Pando that are working to deliver ONLY 'premium' content via P2P, and are looking for ways to make it network-friendly so that they don't piss the ISPs off. As far as I know, there will be no private, open-source clients that work with P4P because they can't ensure that non-pirated content is not running over the networks. As for slowing down traditional, non-P4P filesharing -- that's not a part of the plan. Non-P4P clients will still exist -- they just won't work as fast and won't connect to P4P-engineered apps. P4P is being developed specifically for protected, non-copyright infringing content. It is being worked on by companies like Pando that are working to deliver ONLY ‘premium’ content via P2P, and are looking for ways to make it network-friendly so that they don’t piss the ISPs off. As far as I know, there will be no private, open-source clients that work with P4P because they can’t ensure that non-pirated content is not running over the networks.

As for slowing down traditional, non-P4P filesharing — that’s not a part of the plan. Non-P4P clients will still exist — they just won’t work as fast and won’t connect to P4P-engineered apps.

]]> By: casey http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488962 casey Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:29:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488962 Pay for music you like. Buy directly from the artist (or a trusted indie) wherever possible. Pay for music you like. Buy directly from the artist (or a trusted indie) wherever possible.

]]> By: lol http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488958 lol Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:07:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488958 this already exists, its called IPfilters... which is already integrated in both Azureus and uTorrent. (its up to the end-user on how efficient their filters are) project fails on so many levels. this already exists, its called IPfilters… which is already integrated in both Azureus and uTorrent. (its up to the end-user on how efficient their filters are)

project fails on so many levels.

]]> By: Diji1 http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488957 Diji1 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:03:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488957 @15 : "Clients are already quite good at sensing which peers provide good speed. Peer-for-peer will not increase speeds" Ummm, no your wrong - get a clue. BT natively picks arbitary clients (regardless of speed). AND if you think it makes no difference: 1) you are clueless 2) try the Ono plugin for azeurus and try telling me that. @15 : “Clients are already quite good at sensing which peers provide good speed. Peer-for-peer will not increase speeds”

Ummm, no your wrong – get a clue. BT natively picks arbitary clients (regardless of speed). AND if you think it makes no difference:

1) you are clueless
2) try the Ono plugin for azeurus and try telling me that.

]]> By: Jim Jones http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488944 Jim Jones Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:13:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488944 Sadly ,"collaboration" is the key which means it'll never fly! RD http://www.decrypt.net.tc/ Sadly ,”collaboration” is the key which means it’ll never fly!

RD
http://www.decrypt.net.tc/

]]> By: fdsre http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488936 fdsre Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:04:53 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488936 it sucks black mans cock it sucks black mans cock

]]> By: Bean http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488930 Bean Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:02:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488930 The ONO project does this already by studying backbone architecture and determining peers who are (roughly) closer to each other on the network. Its free, open source and already works pretty well. P4P on the other hand is the "officially approved" version of the same concept. Apparently the MPAA and the ISPs think they need to be actively involved in "making p2p more efficient" which is industry code for "we want to control what you download". Fuck em. Support ONO instead. http://www.aqualab.cs.northwestern.edu/projects/Ono.html The ONO project does this already by studying backbone architecture and determining peers who are (roughly) closer to each other on the network.

Its free, open source and already works pretty well.

P4P on the other hand is the “officially approved” version of the same concept. Apparently the MPAA and the ISPs think they need to be actively involved in “making p2p more efficient” which is industry code for “we want to control what you download”.

Fuck em. Support ONO instead.
http://www.aqualab.cs.northwestern.edu/projects/Ono.html

]]> By: MeH... http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488928 MeH... Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:49:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488928 Has anyone ever done a WHOIS on themselves? Anyone ever used something like speedtest that tells you your ISP? All you got to do is add an IP look up table to the current system for people who are on the same ISP as yourself, and then if there isn't anyone then back down to P2P level again. They seem to be making this more complicated than it really is. The information is free and is out there you just got to go and find it! xD MeH... Has anyone ever done a WHOIS on themselves? Anyone ever used something like speedtest that tells you your ISP?

All you got to do is add an IP look up table to the current system for people who are on the same ISP as yourself, and then if there isn’t anyone then back down to P2P level again.

They seem to be making this more complicated than it really is. The information is free and is out there you just got to go and find it! xD

MeH…

]]> By: Rekrul http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488927 Rekrul Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:40:30 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488927 "One might wonder, why is the MPAA involved in all this? Obviously their agenda is to stop copyright infringement, so we have no reason to believe that they will try to steer P4P in this direction as well." We have no reason to believe that they will try to steer P4P in this direction as well? Hooray! The MPAA is on our side! ;) “One might wonder, why is the MPAA involved in all this? Obviously their agenda is to stop copyright infringement, so we have no reason to believe that they will try to steer P4P in this direction as well.”

We have no reason to believe that they will try to steer P4P in this direction as well? Hooray! The MPAA is on our side! ;)

]]> By: ... http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488926 ... Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:40:09 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488926 They will cleanse infringers "Peer-for-Peer".. They will cleanse infringers “Peer-for-Peer”..

]]> By: 8910 http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488925 8910 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:20:19 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488925 icicic icicic

]]> By: Jasper van Weerd http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488920 Jasper van Weerd Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:19:19 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488920 Interesting view Interesting view

]]> By: 457 http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488916 457 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:57:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488916 okokok okokok

]]> By: Mr.Afghanistan http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488904 Mr.Afghanistan Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:56:16 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488904 We are Happy with Current P2P Technology. No Need any other buggy Technology like P4P or P5P LoL Thanks any way, Good Try / Try again :-P We are Happy with Current P2P Technology.
No Need any other buggy Technology like P4P or P5P LoL

Thanks any way, Good Try / Try again :-P

]]> By: P4P = 666 http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488901 P4P = 666 Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:48:03 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488901 This is a bigger threat than the NAFTA super highway, Ron Paul is all warning us about. They will make us CanmericaMexico! HILIARY CLINTON IS THE ANTI CHRIST, oh wait... no OBAMA is! I ain't paying in Pesos! 7 + 3 = 10... but 10 + 1 = 11... it you subtract 2, for the number of towers... you get 9... 9/11! Its the Communist/Nazi/Zionist Conspiracy! THEY, want to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids through fluoridation.. Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water? This is a bigger threat than the NAFTA super highway, Ron Paul is all warning us about.

They will make us CanmericaMexico!

HILIARY CLINTON IS THE ANTI CHRIST, oh wait… no OBAMA is!

I ain’t paying in Pesos!

7 + 3 = 10… but 10 + 1 = 11… it you subtract 2, for the number of towers… you get 9…

9/11! Its the Communist/Nazi/Zionist Conspiracy!

THEY, want to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids through fluoridation..

Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488894 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:22:48 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488894 @24 It is a private blog, what's wrong about fearmongering? @24
It is a private blog, what’s wrong about fearmongering?

]]> By: Darryl Roberts http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488893 Darryl Roberts Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:04:16 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488893 Oh great, more fearmongering. I'm sort of noticing a pattern with TorrentFreak: 1) Fearmongering 2) Advertisement 3) Articles of how we're winning the fight Have the writers of this site been to conspiracy blogs recently? If so, when is TF going to publish articles on the NWO et al? Oh great, more fearmongering.

I’m sort of noticing a pattern with TorrentFreak:

1) Fearmongering
2) Advertisement
3) Articles of how we’re winning the fight

Have the writers of this site been to conspiracy blogs recently? If so, when is TF going to publish articles on the NWO et al?

]]> By: UltraLeetJ http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488889 UltraLeetJ Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:24:29 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488889 its crazy. ON the back of my mind I would not be surprised that there is a net for all the fish. i believe that the centralized protocols should be kept in place and patience is always a virtue. More so now than ever; thanks to the internet we can find out who is behind what and with what purpose is something new created. Thanks a lot for torrent freak for pointing this out. its crazy. ON the back of my mind I would not be surprised that there is a net for all the fish. i believe that the centralized protocols should be kept in place and patience is always a virtue. More so now than ever; thanks to the internet we can find out who is behind what and with what purpose is something new created. Thanks a lot for torrent freak for pointing this out.

]]> By: Anon http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488886 Anon Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:41:15 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488886 @ 19 releasepirates.com He means in the summary BTW; "P4P is touted as the new and improved P2P. The technology has the potential to lower bandwidth costs for ISPs and speed up downloads for P4P enabled filesharing clients. There is a dark ------site----- to this new technology though. The strong anti-piracy connections are fuel for conspiracy theorists, and Net Neutrality might be at stake." @ 19 releasepirates.com

He means in the summary BTW;

“P4P is touted as the new and improved P2P. The technology has the potential to lower bandwidth costs for ISPs and speed up downloads for P4P enabled filesharing clients. There is a dark ——site—– to this new technology though. The strong anti-piracy connections are fuel for conspiracy theorists, and Net Neutrality might be at stake.”

]]> By: HackedServer http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488885 HackedServer Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:39:15 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488885 I don't feel that the reward would be worth the risk. You wouldn't get that much of a boost. If your downloading a torrent with a lot of seeds, then you have a good chance to have someone in the same area, but with so many seeds you'll get very fast downloads and max your connection anyway. And if its a torrent with little seeds, then your chances of someone being in the same area are extremely slim, and you'll have a slow download. This technology might reduce some bandwidth strain on ISPs, but its not like they are going to implement it and then just forget about it, they'll still dislike it. I'll be sticking with p2p. I don’t feel that the reward would be worth the risk.

You wouldn’t get that much of a boost. If your downloading a torrent with a lot of seeds, then you have a good chance to have someone in the same area, but with so many seeds you’ll get very fast downloads and max your connection anyway.

And if its a torrent with little seeds, then your chances of someone being in the same area are extremely slim, and you’ll have a slow download.

This technology might reduce some bandwidth strain on ISPs, but its not like they are going to implement it and then just forget about it, they’ll still dislike it.

I’ll be sticking with p2p.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488884 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:38:57 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488884 What happened to P3P? Did i miss a version? LOL What happened to P3P?
Did i miss a version?
LOL

]]> By: releasepirates.com http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488875 releasepirates.com Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:27:55 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488875 I think yo mean dark side not dark site or am i wrong? I think yo mean dark side not dark site or am i wrong?

]]> By: #YLS# http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488868 #YLS# Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:33:36 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488868 I doubt that P4P can ultimately work in the long run, Utorrent like I would imagine other clients, to do local peer exchanges but I turn it off, it's unnessecary. Ultimatly P2P works because in the US tv shows come out before the UK etc. where as it's easier to record a movie in a cinema in the UK, running of totally independant ISPs. I do think P4P has alot of commercial value but next to none with pirate use. I doubt that P4P can ultimately work in the long run, Utorrent like I would imagine other clients, to do local peer exchanges but I turn it off, it’s unnessecary.

Ultimatly P2P works because in the US tv shows come out before the UK etc. where as it’s easier to record a movie in a cinema in the UK, running of totally independant ISPs. I do think P4P has alot of commercial value but next to none with pirate use.

]]> By: enolan http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488867 enolan Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:28:06 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488867 P4P doesn't go against net neutrality principles; it involves no traffic discrimination whatsoever. It is a system that provides peer-to-peer application developers with information on network topology and load, nothing more. Network neutrality means that traffic is carried without regard for its content, not that everyone's connections have the same bandwidth. As for the possibility of content-filtering, P4P changes nothing fundamental. If the first P4P-enabled clients came with some sort of filtering scheme, it would be easily removable without reducing the benefit of the technology. P4P doesn’t go against net neutrality principles; it involves no traffic discrimination whatsoever. It is a system that provides peer-to-peer application developers with information on network topology and load, nothing more. Network neutrality means that traffic is carried without regard for its content, not that everyone’s connections have the same bandwidth.
As for the possibility of content-filtering, P4P changes nothing fundamental. If the first P4P-enabled clients came with some sort of filtering scheme, it would be easily removable without reducing the benefit of the technology.

]]> By: http://tinyurl.com/6gxnej http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488866 http://tinyurl.com/6gxnej Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:27:32 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488866 Lol wut? Anyway it will be hackable to develop new trackers... Lol wut?

Anyway it will be hackable to develop new trackers…

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488865 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:22:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488865 Clients are already quite good at sensing which peers provide good speed. Peer-for-peer will not increase speeds, it's just ISP speedcaps in a new form. Clients are already quite good at sensing which peers provide good speed. Peer-for-peer will not increase speeds, it’s just ISP speedcaps in a new form.

]]> By: baka pinkuu http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488863 baka pinkuu Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:13:28 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488863 @12: Inflation. ^_~ Remember when "that and a dime will get you a cup of coffee?" @12: Inflation. ^_~

Remember when “that and a dime will get you a cup of coffee?”

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488859 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:41:13 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488859 This could help legal P2P services such as Channel 4's 4OD and the like. People who pirate will still use P2P though. So no harm really. This could help legal P2P services such as Channel 4′s 4OD and the like. People who pirate will still use P2P though. So no harm really.

]]> By: lololrofl http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488858 lololrofl Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:36:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488858 @4 You mean "just my $0.02" Just my 20 cents, lol. :P @4

You mean “just my $0.02″

Just my 20 cents, lol. :P

]]> By: katom http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488854 katom Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:11:34 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488854 Is there not already a mode for azureus that does the same thing? Is there not already a mode for azureus that does the same thing?

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488852 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:00:34 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488852 "Hoever, we're not so sure that BitTorrent client developers (and others) will adopt it so easily, since it might degrade performance on non P4P ISPs." However? (thanks fixed it) “Hoever, we’re not so sure that BitTorrent client developers (and others) will adopt it so easily, since it might degrade performance on non P4P ISPs.”

However?

(thanks fixed it)

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488849 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:37:24 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488849 @7 Delaware Go FUD yourself. Again! (damn thing updated halfway thru) @7 Delaware

Go FUD yourself. Again!

(damn thing updated halfway thru)

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488848 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:34:12 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488848 @6 Go FUD yourself. TF Rocks! @6
Go FUD yourself.
TF Rocks!

]]> By: Delaware http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488837 Delaware Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:55:34 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488837 Many recent articles on TorrentFreak are nothing but FUD. Many recent articles on TorrentFreak are nothing but FUD.

]]> By: hdt http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488835 hdt Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:50:04 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488835 It will also allow for easier prosecution, since both the sender and receiver are far more likely to be in the same jurisdiction, provably so I would think. It will also allow for easier prosecution, since both the sender and receiver are far more likely to be in the same jurisdiction, provably so I would think.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488834 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:43:27 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488834 If in fact P4P services do have some sort of copyright filter it will ultimately fall by the way side as many file sharers will refuse to use it. The whole community will of course go back to p2p which(for the most part) never have and(for the most part) never will have such filters. imo,of course If in fact P4P services do have some sort of copyright filter it will ultimately fall by the way side as many file sharers will refuse to use it. The whole community will of course go back to p2p which(for the most part) never have and(for the most part) never will have such filters.

imo,of course

]]> By: www.eZee.se http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488833 www.eZee.se Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:42:24 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488833 Wont be too bothered by this as long as this is open source, because no matter what the scumbags do or demand the code will most probably fork to a different program where programmers will simply drop the offending parts... the good thing is the longer the anti-piracy goons wait to demand the implementation of the offending code the easier it will be for people later to drop it, but if it was implemented from the ground up and its at the base protocal, that would pose a problem... just my $0.2 Cheers! Ryan www.ezee.se Wont be too bothered by this as long as this is open source, because no matter what the scumbags do or demand the code will most probably fork to a different program where programmers will simply drop the offending parts… the good thing is the longer the anti-piracy goons wait to demand the implementation of the offending code the easier it will be for people later to drop it, but if it was implemented from the ground up and its at the base protocal, that would pose a problem…

just my $0.2

Cheers!
Ryan
http://www.ezee.se

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488830 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:27:55 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488830 why is an isp needed to help with this anyway? why not just build in to clients the ability to prefer closer peers and seeds instead? actually, i think there is an azureus plugin to do this. why is an isp needed to help with this anyway? why not just build in to clients the ability to prefer closer peers and seeds instead?

actually, i think there is an azureus plugin to do this.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488826 Anonymous Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:11:56 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488826 It wouldn't surprise me to see private trackers banning P4P-aware clients. I've seen other clients banned for far less threatening infringements on swarm integrity. It wouldn’t surprise me to see private trackers banning P4P-aware clients. I’ve seen other clients banned for far less threatening infringements on swarm integrity.

]]> By: Dorus http://torrentfreak.com/uncovering-the-dark-side-of-p4p-080824/#comment-488824 Dorus Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:10:52 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=4037#comment-488824 I'm not exactly sure why the need the help from the ISPs, but my guess is they need a list of IP addresses that are from the same ISP. However, there are good ways around this, first you can use a simple trace and count the hops to determinate who's closer to you. But later on, when IPv6 is introduced, it will be possible to determine from what ISP the address is, as well as globally the location of the user by looking at the IPv6 address. I’m not exactly sure why the need the help from the ISPs, but my guess is they need a list of IP addresses that are from the same ISP. However, there are good ways around this, first you can use a simple trace and count the hops to determinate who’s closer to you. But later on, when IPv6 is introduced, it will be possible to determine from what ISP the address is, as well as globally the location of the user by looking at the IPv6 address.

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