In any case, laws that the population is not willing to follow because they think those laws are wrong are bound to fail. Buy a few thousand more jails b4 you fully bend over to the lobbyists because you’ll be arresting a whole lot of people. Most of them nice and somewhat regular consumers.

Fail.

Their statistics match up perfectly as the climate has gradually increased in temperature since the 1500′s while pirates have declined. When you state a claim like that it makes it seem true but you know just as well as I do that they’re unrelated.

http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/piratesarecool.jpg

Really? So breathing – which is taking oxygen from the atmosphere without paying for it – is neither legally nor morally sound?

Incidentally, when was the last time you paid for air or sunshine?

(Furthermore, no one is ‘taking’ anything with file-sharing. They are duplicating what already exists.)

The statistics showing that revenue to distributors and labels began to drop during the incline of piracy is true **BUT** they fail to make a direct link between the two facts. If you complete your research you’ll also notice that **LEGAL** alternatives such as iTunes and Amazon started their services at these times showing that people want access to the content in a new way.

The music industry is like any old occupation. Many jobs simply AREN’T NEEDED ANYMORE and will be lost regardless. When the shift goes from HMV and Walmart sales to iTunes, Amazon, and other online stores then the middle-man disappears. Do you still go looking for a blacksmith to craft your tools? No. Industrial Revolution has removed the need for numerous jobs and the same is for this revolution. The difference here is that those in a position to lose out are fighting the change since it removes power from them.

The only changes I see are going to bite the people in the ass.

Also instead of worrying about loss jobs and profits from pirating, what about the outsourcing of said jobs? What about the millions spent on an ad on television that was sheer crap. Less we all forget how much the series finale of Friends cost for a 30 second commercial. If they have that much money to spend on a commercial then they shouldn’t be worrying about pirates.

“Taking things without paying for them is neither legal or morally sound in any way you repackage it”

yeah, like taking $30 million from tax payers when it could have been used for health-care , feed the hungry, etc…

Its the only way he can win an argument. No one else will agree with him, so he does it himself. Really pretty sad if you think about it. He must have no friends because he probably repeats the same crap at them as well.

Stop making up thinly disguised new screen names so you can agree with yourself, Reasoned Mind. Watching it just makes me feel embarassed for you.

THERE IS NO PRODUCT. THERE IS JUST DEVELOPMENT. GET THIS OVER YOUR HEAD FOR ONCE.

Makes a very sensible point. The Governments will continue to erode freedoms and privacy as long as people keep promoting piracy.

Piracy, and diarRIAA’s imaginary 60″ Sony LCD’s, are their excuse to keep snooping.

But here’s the funny part: none of them will answer the challenge to prove their accusations, because they know their accusations are false. It’s just like when somebody asks Reasoned Mind/neostyles to back up their accusation that filesharing is causing untold numbers of jobs and untold amounts of money to be lost. Untold indeed, since no evidence exists to support it.

Or maybe you take comfort in believing this since freeloading is completely in defensible. Taking things without paying for them is niether legal or morally sound in any way you repackage it
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/venues/2007/09/20/study_jobs_lost_to_music_piracy.aspx
http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/14/online-downloading-internet-piracy-rights-royalties

If your talking to the copyright holders then I agree

If your talking to the copyright holders than I agree

Stop giving them legal justification for watching you online. This is so simple. You get paid, right?

Go back to paying for the merchandise you take and this whole thing goes away. Keep pirating and they’ll have cameras in your underwear drawer, which if you pirate online you richly deserve, by the way.

Special thanks to ALL you infringing MORONS who are bringing this crap down upon us. Seriously.

Biden has joined the rank of the corporate terrorists.

Fine we don’t negotiate with terrorists.

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In Congress, July 4, 1776…

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. — The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

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For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

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For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

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For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

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For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offences:

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For abolishing the free system of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

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For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our Governments:

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November 19, 1863

Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
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and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

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Does any of the offenses listed in above sound familiar to recent news or actions they wish to impose or have imposed? Think hard on this one!

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt are the weapons used to divide the people and propagate the status quo. Look at the campaigns (if they can be called that) brought upon the people over the last 60 odd years. The bickering and war of words’ only goal is to divide and maintain the status quo.

Judges who are themselves politicians and must stand for politics not the rule of law. The appointed ones are appointed by the same political bodies who control the laws that are written and who control the executive branch of the government. We cannot expect them to live up to the people, but to the political powers that they got them where they are.

In the 1700′s and 1800′s this might have worked to the advantage of the people as a whole. Currently the government does not benefit the people as a whole.

Within the microcosm of intellectual property we can see the betrayal of the government to the people it is their to protect and serve.

Tell me how the people as a whole benefit from or wish to …

o) Pay 1,200 a month for prescription drugs because they have no insurance or have poor coverage which cost so much because of the patent monopolies the drugs companies hold.

o) Millions of people with defects or diseases have no access to drugs because it is not profitable to bother to try to create a pill to cure them.

o) Are derived of all their personal property accumulated during their life to pay for a medical procedure or drug which is required to save their life for the massive profit of those who hold patents, trade secrets or to hospitals which specialize in treating these cases.

o) Companies which create nothing, make no innovations or progress for people but demand money from patents they hold stifling all innovation for only those but the wealthiest of companies.

o) Companies which do innovate but hold those patents allowing themselves to benefit for years before allowing others limited access to that innovation to control the innovation at a slower pace to maximize profits.

o) Automobile and other manufactures who preclude other manufactures from using safety features they innovate to maximize profit instead of helping make the world safer for all people. The new safety features, of course, are only available on the highest cost models and products!

o) Prohibiting Artistic works of culture from being created or being collected to be part of an overall representation of history in the name of protecting or enhancing the profit of said work.

o) Controlling, limiting or refusing access to artistic or cultural works by any means to increase profits. Including and by no means limited to … Refusal to allow backup copies to protect said works for future generations. Forcing the people to pay for new or compatible formats of works they already own. Not allowing people to use said works in the manner in which they desire to use them.

o) Bribing, coercing, using deceit or other misrepresentations to the political leadership for the benefit of the profits of these corporations at the detriment of the people. Allowing only one side of any argument to have access, control, influence, or authority over any political body.

o) Allowing large entities including the federal, state and local governments with massive legal ability to control, influence or bully the people in judicial proceedings. Allowing judicial proceedings to occur that are unbalanced, biased, or are in any other form prejudicial towards one party over the other.

There is no defendable argument that can be made that any of this benefits the people as a whole nor any future generation of people. Ranting and raving about the status quo, one side against the other fighting till the bitter end over a label of theft or fair-use. All the while the larger more important issue goes unnoticed.

What benefit does any of this provide to the people as a whole! How does 100+ year long copyright, 50 odd year patents and trademarks like “The Real Thing” benefit us all? To be honest I cannot find one little benefit of any IP laws to the average person. Only higher costs, less innovation and more payments from peoples pockets.

The U.S. loves to talk about crimes against humanity when referring to Afghanistan, China, Nazi’s, and others. What about the crimes committed against the people of the U.S by the government against the wishes and desires of the founders of this country and the best interests of it’s people.

Just food for thought!

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REGARDING USSS:

The United States Secret Service, formerly of the US Treasury Department, is responsible for protecting both financial and special-technology crimes. The root of USSS is the acquisition and disarmament of very advanced weapons used during the American Civil War, including many special technologies both mechanical and electrical. Any related technology was the responsibility of Treasury SS through until the 2003 reorganization. Any transaction that uses Currency, of any type, falls in the jurisdiction of USSS Treasury (with some enforcement by DHS SS and DHS ICE/FINCEN) including the claim of economic value in nonphysical transactions. Another example, is that any narcotic investigation or sting activity requires not only the DEA for the narcotic itself, but also FBI for processing and US Treasury Secret Service for elements of sale or currency. SS is responsible for oversight of all technologies including military, as their use is economically driven, which includes network systems and communications devices which also fall under special-technologies and related weapons categories.

REGARDING DHS:

The American DHS, Department of Homeland Security, composed of various elements of US CUSTOMS enforcement, Treasury Secret Service’s FINCEN/tracking, department of commerce export restrictions and foreign commerce and economic enforcement, and generally anything else that crosses borders BOTH WITHIN THE USA AND EXTERNALLY. Most enforcement or investigation of information passing between states is handled by the FBI’s espionage and various related departments, where exports (including to international wire, such as airport-located peering points (hint listening stations)) are the responsibility formerly of a combination of SS and US CUSTOMS which are now consolidated to the US DHS with multiple departments responsible. FBI retains a foreign investigation capability wherever American interests are involved, such as corporate media or software, but also including forward-looking economic and trade situations. State Dept DSS handles some factors, mainly institutional trade and policy, and various military entities such as DIA, NSA, and CIA all handle facets related to controls and regulation of technologies. There were times previously where compilers and machine operating systems were restricted exports, now the base is typically related to cryptography and technologies above the export restrictions, usually defined as performing faster or more efficiently than their limited supply of intercept devices can handle.

There are a few departments missing from that panel, however the majority of modern enforcement and profiteering policy departments are represented.

http://Ship.baywords.com might be helpful with a comparison of numbers.

Most importantly, one must note that the designed exploits in software and hardware, especially those controlled by these American influences, are direct sponsors of terrorist activity as they provide mechanisms of exploit and access otherwise impossible in the finite and concise design of the physical systems.

Since Torrentfreak is a biased propaganda machine, that should be easy as pie, right?

Of course it should.

But here’s the funny part: none of them will answer the challenge to prove their accusations, because they know their accusations are false. It’s just like when somebody asks Reasoned Mind/neostyles to back up their accusation that filesharing is causing untold numbers of jobs and untold amounts of money to be lost. Untold indeed, since no evidence exists to support it.

So the paid shills barge in and decry this article for being biased propaganda while carefully failing to address what makes it biased propaganda and why. Because they’re simply lying that it is; asked to back up what they say, they’re lika a fish out of water.

If any of them feel like contesting this fact, please do. I enjoy smacking around hired shills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAYjKMyLIiY

from

http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/15/holder-at-white-house-summit-with-entertainment-executives/

Come on People lets all send an e-mail to President Obama complaining about this closed meeting, ignore the results and ORDER a multinational consultation (after all the US want to rule the world)

So people lets get together, protest and let’s get our voice heard.

Power to the People

The corporations have their high-powered lawyers and their corporate lobbyists with bottomless pockets. Most governments have this culture of no transparency or accountability.

When Big Business gets behind closed government doors with politicians and senior bureaucrats (who don’t change on the whim of elections) it creates a perfect storm of greed & corruption.

This is the menace we have to fight. Who needs Bin Laden and Hitler, when you have Big Business telling what our government to do?

and this is supposed to be a model for democracy?

Sorry, the other document is:

http://judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/11-4-09%20Espinel%20Testimony.pdf

The National Security claims that are referenced are based on the ECONOMIC INTERESTS and FOREIGN exploit protocols and imperialist technique, the point is that the commerce expansion into distant 3rd world environments FORCES THE POPULATION WHO WANTS BRITNEY SPEARS TO WORK IN THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM TO GAIN MONEYS TO PAY FOR SUCH. This furthers the expansion of the capitalistic influence.

This first reference is the National Economic Council NEC which emphasizes that these “bubble” trends are undesirable and would like to completely remove the vulnerabilities of non-physical commerce from the long-term economic systems:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/nec/StrategyforAmericanInnovation/

Another issue, is the protocols and policy dictated by ESpinel and the Intellectual Property offices, indicating the economic value of royalties and exports of non-physical goods, namely mass media and copywrite:

[same link]

The basis of the western and capitalist systems is commerce, this is a strategic National Security concept, otherwise, without commerce there is no tax and no institution, rendering the western imperial models non-existent. They will do anything to protect the foundation of their system, including the crimes against humanity and exploit of world populations to maintain their “security”…

My apologies for my strong wording but I stand by my statements that your research is incorrect (in part).

The article that you site in your FreakBits post references Executive Order 12958, I’ll quote from the article you linked personally:

(a) “National security” means the national defense or foreign relations of the United States.

I don’t doubt that you research thoroughly but your wording is mixed up. They do site “National Security” but in the situation stated above. Which, when taken out of context, sets the ravenous mob that is the TorrentFreak comment column on a rage-bender.

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My opinion stands that the entire system is still a whole lot of sketch but calling it out on something perfectly legal is not proper. Discussions with many foreign countries must be private else they will not partake (Many Asian cultures stress this I believe).

Not to sound harsh in any way though, I can get pretty passionate when debating online (Isn’t that the stupidest thing you’ve ever heard? :P ). I really like the amount of content in your articles that it seems only God could conjure up himself. But I’ll stop sticking my nose up your ass now.

It was 81, not 82.

lol

That’s what you get when you can only vote between a douche and a turd. Well, a very polished, shiny turd, but a turd nonetheless.

I did my research quite well thank you. Here’s a link to some more detail – http://freakbits.com/obama-petitioned-to-reveal-secret-anti-piracy-agreement-1104

Get off your high horse and do research before spewing this. The law that they are claiming privacy over (5 USC S552(b)(1)) states that these treaty talks can be held private in matters of: NATIONAL SECURITY *OR* FOREIGN RELATIONS.

I wonder if international treaties have anything to do with Foreign relations…… nawwww.

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Yes, its sketchy, but its worse to spew slander that isn’t even researched properly.

To date, there has been no evidence to back up claims of loss, or any causal relationship between downloads and any claimed losses.

In short, industries say they’re not making what they think they should, but can’t actually prove it. Pressure Congress to make laws to restrict the activities of the populace in order to increase those lost profits.
We’ve been on this cycle for 20 years or so now, and it’s not working, not as they’d think.

So, you have the likes of the DEB and HADOPI, and section 92a. Laws where the ‘problem’ is now so ‘bad’ that they’ve had to suspend the very basics of judicial process. At the same time, promoting the use of tax money to fund all this.

If you can’t see the problems, the path roundtables like this are following, then you should maybe read up on your history.

oh someones crabby. Jealous much? *chortle*