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Use DHT For a YouTube-like BitTorrent Content Discovery Journey

The main way for people to begin downloading content from BitTorrent is to visit one of the Internet’s many hundreds of torrent sites. There they can download either .torrent files or, in the case of The Pirate Bay, magnet links. This week it became possible to go on a YouTube-like “related video” journey through BitTorrent’s Distributed Hash Table to find similar content to that being already downloaded, all without visiting a torrent site.

Visiting a torrent site to access content is a fairly simple affair. Select the URL, go to the site and type whatever you’re looking for into the search box.

Torrents appear. Click. Download. Easy enough.

However, if a BitTorrent user doesn’t really know what he or she is looking for and needs some ideas, a torrent site’s category view comes in useful to allow browsing of specific content such as videos, music or games.

But what if there was another mechanism through which to find new content, one that doesn’t involve visiting a torrent site? One that would find content to download based on the activities of other BitTorrent users that have downloaded, to some extent, the same or similar content as you?

Now all of that is possible with “Swarm Discoveries”, a new and intriguing feature added to the open source Vuze client this week. The feature uses the Vuze Distributed Hash Table (DHT) to anonymously relate one piece of downloaded content with another.


Vuze’s DHT

The problem

“For a long time users have been asking for a means to find more content that they might like, stuff similar to the kind of things they already download,” Paul Gardner from Vuze tells TorrentFreak.

“Existing sites tend not to offer anything beyond simple categorization (e.g. by format or genre), and only cover their own domain of content – users are looking for something that works ‘horizontally’, across sites, while at the same time zooming in on things that may be of interest.”

Striving towards solving this problem the Vuze team came up with Swarm Discoveries, a behavior-based torrent content discovery system. So what makes it tick?

“Given the lack of any standardized metadata for torrents, and the huge diversity of naming conventions, languages etc., any approach based on matching between static torrent data is difficult. So what we decided to concentrate on was the behavioral aspects of torrent selection,” Gardner reveals.

“Users are already way smarter than us at finding content they like, so why not use their expertise to raise everybody’s game?”

And this is where it gets both slightly more complex and much more interesting.

How relationships are formed

“Swarm Discoveries is based on the fact that if Alice downloads torrents A, B and C then, in some (unspecified) way there is a link between A, B and C. At the most abstract the link is that Alice likes A, B and C,” Gardner explains.

“Now if Bob downloads B, C and D this re-enforces the fact that B and C are somehow related, but between them we know nothing regarding A and D.”

Of course, when looking at the habits of just Alice and Bob the dataset is very small. However, millions of people are using the Distributed Hash Table which results in a much larger sample and the creation of ever more interesting links between content.

As a side note, Vuze (or Azureus as it was then) debuted the first ever BitTorrent DHT.

Taking Swarm Discoveries for a spin

TorrentFreak gave the feature a test drive, and this is what happened when we tested it on a Fuduntu Linux distro we planned to test in a VirtualBox virtual machine.

1. First we loaded up the Fuduntu torrent using Vuze’s inbuilt torrent search feature. Once underway a right-click revealed the Swarm Discovery option.

Vuze Disc 1

2. Once selected this short list of related content appeared.

Item 1 is for a Knoppix torrent. Knoppix is another Linux distro so the connection to our Fuduntu download is obvious.

Item 2 turns out to be Hiren’s Boot CD, a collection of fairly geeky system management tools which is (coincidentally or not) based on Knoppix.

Vuze Disc 2

3. At this point the discovery can continue simply by right clicking on any result and selecting “Discover Related”. If you want to do some research on the torrents already found, the same menu gives access to some research tools.

Vuze Disc 3

4. Digging down another level produced further related results.

Vuze Disc 4

Of course, the system doesn’t work only for Linux distros. In our tests popular video and music content hashes produced the richest and most complex results.

I don’t want to do anything, just make it work!

For those of you too busy (or lazy) to right-click on downloads to find explicit results you can sit back and let Vuze do the work for you. Over time Vuze builds up results in the main Swarm Discoveries tab (you’ll find it under ‘Plugins & Extras’) and ranks them – the more ways a torrent is related to your downloads the higher the rank it will be assigned (up to a max of 100).

If you’re bored with the current results then right-click on sidebar entry and select ‘delete all results’, Vuze will start generating a new set to inspire you.

Decentralized and anonymous

Although the Swarm Discoveries system might at first appear to be a privacy nightmare, concerned users can rest easy. There are no external databases and relationship data is anonymous. (Not to be confused with anonymous downloads of course, that would require a VPN or similar)

“Swarm Discoveries is entirely implemented using the Distributed Hash Table (DHT) and results are automatically generated by Vuze clients – there are no centralized components,” Gardner explains.

“In the same way that the DHT is used to relate content to peers during decentralized tracking it is also used to related one piece of content to another – this relationship is stored anonymously, so when a Vuze client reads a relationship the originator of the relationship is unknown.”

While Swarm Discoveries often produced fairly predictable results, such as supplying torrents to similar genres of music and movies, it also throws in the occasional curve ball – perfect for those who browse YouTube for pop videos and end up two hours later viewing the mating rituals of a rare breed of mountain goat.

Download the latest version of Vuze with Swarm Discoveries here.

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  • http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

    Thinking as a programmer:
    This can get a bit weird though, for example using a popular show like “game of thrones”, as it’s released a large number of people are going to download it… but imagine if as this is downloading a large number of people also download the latest (remember guys, this is an example :p ) porn flick… then it’s quite likely that the porn flick will be associated with the GOT download, when they are totally different “visual treats” :)

    Good idea though, just thinking that it can get some weird results.
    Cheers!

    • Anyone

      but how likely is it that everyone downloading GOT also downloads THAT porn?

      swarm intelligence works quite good 99% of the time ;)

      • http://twitter.com/TomNicky2 TomNicky

        like Jimmy answered I am in shock that a person can make $6445 in 1 month on the network. did you look this(Click on menu Home)

      • http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

        Not saying its a bad idea, just be prepared for some weird results ;)

        As for your question of getting THAT porn, depends… if for example someone downloads GOT from TPB and then immd clicks to see whats newest in the pron section…

        It will be more of a problem skewing results on the big sites like TPB, Kickass etc or even private sites (which I wont mention) but less of a problem for example when you download from eztv and then go to some other site for your porn fix.

        Again, I am not knocking it… just thinking of it in terms of programming logic – and I’m bored silly today with little to do as the other MF guys cancelled out of our planned party! :P

        • gnugitsu

          Have the partay online brah. I am sure a few of us will show up.

        • Gacek

          Hey, Youtube sometimes gives strange results too :P

          What concern me more (as a programmer ;P ). Some of “smart” people can use it to put up some fake relations, so they promo their torrent.

          For example: People download Game of Thrones. Then I create torrent with some kind of virus. Put it up and inject some relations between GoT and Virus… people who downlaoded GoT also see virus torrent in their related matches…

        • Anyone

          @Gacek
          sure, that works, just like Google Bombs work
          but I’m not sure if that is really worth the trouble just for torrents

        • Ree

          where all the cp torrents be @? Time to get this into action, need some links to try content discovery for cp.

      • 666grzesiek666

        let’s hope paedophiles dont download GoT and dont have their torrents under some kind of “ciphered” names…

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        One comment linking a GOT episode to an amateur porn production due to similarity in the main actors and the swarm intelligence will produce the link.

        We can already see something similar when it comes to Youtube. Their “recommendations” based on what the Youtube algorhitm considers “similar” according to general viewing doesn’t always make sense.

    • http://twitter.com/TomNicky2 TomNicky

      …..goo.gl/jZqhk

    • Max

      I think the problem is if it is really anonymous like they say there is nobody that hinders me to manipulate my client to add fake data or Malware infected files. Its like a voting system without any protections against fraud. And that is bad.

      • Anyone

        your bad data will drown in the millions of other data
        sure, if you are malicious you can poison the results, but that will only get you so far

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        As “Anyone” has it, if you are a few people trying to poison a swarm then the swarm takes notice. That’s why TPB torrents are generally safe if there’s a skull mark next to it.

        See, one troll can try to make a nuisance of himself as much as he likes, but when there are tens of thousands of more honest users around to check the facts and issue warnings, it becomes quite hard to swim against the current, so to speak.

    • ANo

      Well that result may not actually be that “weird”.

      “Hey people who watch game of Thrones”
      Other people who watch the show….. love this porn film, they also like this pc game and their favorite album is…etc..
      It’s the opposite of weird. It’s expected.

      Relationships are not like a database of strict connections that exclude, because of perceived disparity.

      Time to add a new category, “relation based on download habits.”
      Weird results are expected as much you would get elsewhere, even with good database searches.

  • Guest

    “Swarm Discoveries” – I am sure that the MAFFIA will now find it easier with this to obtain more IP address of copyright infringers. We all know that an IP address does not prove who the infringer is but that won’t stop the copyright trolls.

    • Maxx

      You didn’t read the article at all did you?

      • Who

        I am sure he did just like I have and he is right. the more linking to other sites for content is just gona allow for easier access to locate users for so called infringement. its no different than a google search or a torrent search is. and that’s the difference between open bittorent and a privet tracker. easy as hell to find and track people on the open sites and way more difficult on privet sites as they don’t link to other content for a dam good reason. copy right trolls.

        • TheInvisibleMan

          I’m sure you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about. There is no linking to other sites, it’s all done in the DHT. What part of that do you not understand?

          Whether private or public, swarms can be monitored. This will have no effect at all on that.

          Private sites are bad for the filesharing community. They lock up content behind walled gardens making it inaccessible to the majority of the people. They monitor and record all your torrent usage to maintain their stats. They remove alternative private trackers from the torrent so if the tracker you’re using goes down, no downloads for you. If the site gets forced offline, all the torrents that were on that site are no longer accessible. And then there’s all the drama.

        • 7th_Guest

          Ffs, get a clue, dude, before you go spouting your “facts” around. To implement something like these DHT preference associations you don’t need (or care) to know anything like swarm IPs, DL timestamps or even what servers were tracking the torrents. All the system cares to track to adjust the nodes’ weights is the different torrents’ hashes that any single user sequentially goes after, that’s all the raw data a programmer would need to create the associations structure (tree, table or whatever it is). Beyond that, it’s just a matter of the raw numbers coming in in large quantities so that the associations can become strong and (statistically) useful.

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    As a loonnnnnng time uTorrent user I was not only genuinely intrigued with this development, but I’m ashamed to admit I may even had got slightly sexually aroused too ffs!!

    Not to worry though. I got the required cure at hand ….

  • http://www.facebook.com/arturo.ordaz1 Arturo Ordaz

    “1.21 gigawatts! 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott!”

  • http://identi.ca/LauRoman Lauren?iu Roman

    Is this post sponsored by Vuze?

    • Jelly ? utorrent user ?

      Is your comment sponsored by utorrent ?

      • http://identi.ca/LauRoman Lauren?iu Roman

        Is yours sponsored by jelly?

        Considering the title and content of the article, i read all of it, my question is pertinent, and i think we should know.

    • 7th_Guest

      Is your brain sponsored by Cheetos?

  • Roswell1701

    Sounds like something that could be easily perverted into an intrusive p2p tracker.

    • TheInvisibleMan

      The DHT is a “p2p tracker”. Did you mean indexer?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Not really…or to put it like this: Not anymore than DHT already is. p2p tracking is already implemented by the RIAA/MPAA etc. not that it’s helped much since the only thing they get is an ip adress which might or might not be connected with a filesharer, an unlucky guy with a cracked or open wifi, or a laser printer in a university which runs NAT.

  • WonTann

    OH wow, OK now that jsut makes a ll kinds of crazy sense dude.
    http://www.Anon-Tipz.tk

  • Qjo

    Ha! YouTube mountain goat mating rituals, how did you know?

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  • http://www.peoplesnote.org Don Reba

    I don’t know what “has been added this week” means, but as of now, I have the latest version, and the Swarm Discovery is a plugin I had to find and download separately.

  • ANo

    Random related to my interests content finder.

    Gives me content I didn’t know existed.

    Gives me something new to watch when I have exhausted my torrent search.

    I knew there was another reason to add onto the list of why I use Azureus.
    That list is pretty fucking big now.

     
     
     
    I bet this won’t satisfy the Azureus haters. (utorrent, blind fanboys)
    I wonder how they will attack this feature.

    >inb4 resource hog
    >inb4 useless
    >inb4 utorrent is better
    NOT inb4….. “Vuze paid for this article”…. really ? facepalm_Of_irrelevance.gif

    • gnugitsu

      Does Vuze have a linux client?

      • FreeBSD

        yeah.

    • 7th_Guest

      I think it’s a bit disingenuous to dismiss Azureus/Vuze critique as blind fanboyism. Hell, if anything, the arguments and reasons why ppl abandoned it many years ago in droves are pretty long-standing and well documented within this community :/. For the record, I too am a uT 2.2.* user, but articles like this one about custom (hopefully lightweight) Vuze forks are always useful for keeping us in the look and maybe get us to reconsider because of their new n’ juicy features – not immediately, mind, but still.

      Btw, anyone else think the moment this takes off and becomes a much sought after BT client feature, it’ll stop being exclusive to BT clients and indexing sites will start offering these associations too by pulling ‘em on the fly from the DHT via script? Concepts and ideas never stay exclusive in our world after all…

      • 7th_Guest

        Argh, in the loop*. Damn typos.

      • ANo

        It’s not disingenuous at all.
        Valid critique is valid, but some of it is just….. Blind fanboyism
        btw, I only mentioned the mostly invalid critique. (it used to be more valid)

        Typical fanboy…..
        “”memory/resource hog” … yet say fuck all about firefox using more.
        “”useless”" (as in bloatware) … yet the features are far from useless to MANY.
        People running pentiumIII and AthlonXP 1GHz with 256mb ram… had a VALID argument but that was 6+ years ago.
        Their same OLD argument is now mostly irrelevant.
        (users knew and still preferred Azureus FOR A REASON, even with 256ram )

        I used to say the features were worth the ram hit, if you had enough ram.
        Now I say Don’t want the features, then don’t get it.
        STFU about bloatware and resource hog…it’s completely irrelevant today.
        That is not disingenuous, that’s reality.

         
         
         
         
        As for my preference in the majority of circumstances.
        Give me advanced control over torrenting any day, rather than tiny system footprint. Hey… If I need a tiny footprint, hell yeah, give me that but of course I expect compromises.

        • ANo

          ooops. format error. Excuse the excessive bold.

  • MC

    Vuze gets a lot of shit around here from idiot utorrent fanboys, but i for one am glad that someone is still innovating in the bittorrent space. The DHT is more powerful than anyone realises i think. Ill give vuze a spin again this week.

    • Who

      DHT is dangerous and should not be used. and BTW Ive used vuse and Ive even used the program before it became vuse and it SUCKED even then.

      • Anyone

        what? DHT is awesome and should be used

      • TheInvisibleMan

        You’re just jealous because you’re forced to used obsolete trackers which go down more often than Italian footy players.

        It’s obvious that you don’t even know what the DHT does so stop talking shite. Just because someone gave you an invite to a private tracker, that doesn’t make you special and it doesn’t make you any more knowledgable about bittorrent, which is clear for everyone to see. It just makes you an elitist know-it-all that constantly talks crap and you come across as a moron.

        • Who

          you are obviously pissed that you ether can’t get in to a privet tracker. or that you have already been band to all the good ones. good luck you your open trackers that are getting shut down by copyright trolls.

        • TheInvisibleMan

          I’ve no intention of joining any private sites. I hate everything they stand for the way they’re currently being used. Private sites should be used by content creators who want to distribute their work while keeping control of it.

          Public trackers are obsolete. If they get shut down, it will make no difference whatsoever to my downloading habits. Also, if every public and private torrent site was shut tomorrow forever, then people would start doing stuff like this, http://www.reddit.com/r/narwhalbits . In order to stop public torrents, you need to disable the entire internet. In order to stop private torrents, you just need to disable the private sites.

  • Andrew me

    Wow i am a bit surprised at the attitude at the end of the post, anti u torrent much. Seriously you should leave the faboyisim to those that go to the comments section just for that. And yes i prefer utorrent as it is not massively full of bloat-ware. Good feature this and i hope it is coded into the next utorrent release.

    • BJonesTF

      Vuze’s DHT system is different from the mainline DHT system used by µTorrent and other clients. It may not be possible, or at least implemented the same way.

      • Anyone

        wait, vuze has its own DHT not compatible with the rest of the torrent clients?
        what genius came up with that idea?

        • TuxPaper

          From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainline_DHT :

          “The idea of utilizing a DHT for distributed tracking was first implemented[1] in Azureus 2.3.0.0 (now known as Vuze), from which it gained significant popularity. BitTorrent, Inc. then incorporated a similar DHT into their client, called Mainline DHT and thus popularized the use of distributed tracking in the BitTorrent Protocol.”

        • TheInvisibleMan

          Vuze can actually use both DHTs so it’s not really a problem for them. The Mainline DHT (as used in uTorrent) is the official DHT though.

        • 7th_Guest

          I wonder if DHT could get expanded to carry all sorts of semantic info relayed across it, a bit like XML. Then any kind of content that programmers could imagine – torrent-specific comments, ratings or whatnot – wouldn’t need to be implemented on an individual BT client basis and most would be able to talk to one another like they now do over the BT protocol. Anyone could come up with some new cross-user informational content exchange feature within a swarm and they wouldn’t have to wait for the DHT’s specifications to be extended to support it.

        • polsenpol

          All the other torrent-clients came up with the ‘brilliant’ idea of ‘inventing’ their own DHT .. If you want a name : uTorrent is the genius to blame !

    • Y.A.

      http://www.qbittorrent.org/

      Think of it as a lightweight reimplementation of the ?Torrent 2.x series, without adware and all sorts of bundled crapware. Also, ?Torrent is pretty bloated now.

      Thanks to the libtorrent back-end, qBittorrent actually implements MORE of the BT protocol that ?Torrent. It’s also open source and works across all platforms. Has a bitching Web UI, too.

      What are you waiting for? Get it, you won’t be disappointed!

  • Bruddah

    i like the swarm discoveries bit, but testing the same torrent, on utorrent then vuze, the downoad speed was nothing like as good with vuze. handy if i’m in no particular hurry and cba open a browser for regular tv shows.

    if i’m in a hurry i’ll stick with utorrent thanks

    • 666grzesiek666

      I think its a matter of configuration. And yes, Vuze is not simple tool for simple uTorrent fanboys.
      In Vuze you can achive great results if you know how it works. And uTorrent is more “pre-configured” and not that customizable like Vuze – but thats my opinion

    • not true

      Settings on your end must be slowing it down.
      Your fault.

  • TuxPaper

    If anything, I think we should get props for not calling it “Cloud Discoveries” :)

    • TheInvisibleMan

      Will you be putting the details for this on the BEP forum?

  • FreeBSD

    I hope other clients take this up!

  • megingerinnit?

    i didn’t read the article. i just felt that my contribution to this thread was not needed, so i read something else about K.com or whats his name. can’t wait for that? getting difficult to get good footwear these days, so it’s a good job i spend most of my time on my arse.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    It’s a trillion dot per micron Internet Universe.

    These overworked programming guys have the responsibility for putting every single dot on that palette at our fingertips. This meets my definition of an impossible job to be accomplished by impossible talent; fueled by the perspective transforming power of an obscenely huge blunt.

    I don’t care that the transformative power of that innovation happens to appear first in Vuze, or uTottent.

    My priority is that such innovation of p2p technology continues at ultra-maximum torque; and, that it is organized and driven by the open source community to the maximum extent possible.

    Why?

    Because commercial technological innovation is simultaneous and co-extensive with innovation in repression schemes to restrict use (patents, copyrights, pay-walls, imposed TOS contracts). Under monopoly conditions, these repression schemes have taken on a life of their own; and, become the true “business” of commercial innovation.

    That’s why innovation in “Patents” represents innovated insanity.

    Without an aggressively competing and innovating Open Source Community, (in which the first priority of innovation really is to improve the Human Condition), P2p will quickly become a private exclusive Monopoly Brand under which customers are pond salmon, to be contained and harvested.

    Kudos to the VUZE team.

  • Who

    this is just a really easy way to track your downloading and uploading activity’s. best just to stay away from this all together. and I noted that youtube started searches that were similar to this but the linking to the like content proved to be extremely limited and eventually linked to the same shit as a lot of content on that site is ether removed do to so called infringement or block by the country of origin.

    • Anyone

      you can’t track individual peers with this

      • Who

        you obviously do not know how torrents work. theirs a reason y privet trackers do not use DHT, its so the information can’t go wide spread and make it easy as hell to locate and track. that’s y if you get caught with DHT enabled in your upload your upload gets deleted and you ether get warned or band.

        • TheInvisibleMan

          It’s you who doesn’t know how bittorrent works, so stop pretending you do. If you get caught on a private tracker using DHT then you’re obviously using a client that doesn’t follow the specs for private torrents. That’s why they have an approved list of clients.

          A private torrent has a “private” key whose value is “1″. This key is located in the info dictionary, so changing or removing it will change the info hash. When a client reads the key/value, it automatically disables the DHT, PEX, LPD and only allows the use of 1 tracker at a time.

          Of course private trackers do that, they’re whole point of existence is to restrict the sharing of files.

        • Anyone

          private sites don’t use DHT so that you can’t download or upload without their tracker.
          it isn’t a security issue as such, they just want total control over the torrents they publish

          that’s why private sites must die, they go against the P2P culture

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Well, que today’s fail…

          On a private tracker, all you need to do is get one person on the private list and your entire tracker is compromised. To boot the tracker being “private” assists the MPAA/RIAA enormously since a case can be made that everyone on the tracker list are, in fact, personally approved.

          Meaning all you need is a list of the membership and you actually CAN start linking ip adresses of downloaders to individuals in a way which to a large degree abolishes “reasonable doubt”.

    • TheInvisibleMan

      The only way to remove content from the DHT is for everyone to stop seeding it.

      • Who

        and Ive looked @ one of your comments above to me about privet trackers are bad and shouldn’t be used because they hide stuff…..well shit…..that’s the point LOL and NO you can’t monitor nor track a privet sites content unless you got access to the content. that’s y open BT is even more dangerous. its really obvious that you have been band by a lot of privet trackers to make comments like you have been and now your access to all the good content is not accessible and that it just pisses you off.

        • TheInvisibleMan

          Are you admitting that private site are anti-filesharing?
          Are you saying people can’t join private sites?

          You keep saying it’s dangerous, as if some SWAT team is going to burst through my door and put a bullet in my head. The reality is that people who get caught, get a warning letter. They tried that in my country (the UK) and it didn’t end well for the solicitor sending the letters. Besides, my IP address is secure, so I don’t care who records it.

          Everything I want, I find publicly. What content do you think I’ll have trouble finding? Also, why would I waste my time maintaining accounts on multiple private sites (that monitor and record everything you download and upload) when I currently just click a button and download.

          The only good thing about private sites is that their organisation (removing shitty quality, etc) is better. They’re no more secure, they’re no faster and they have less content than public sites.

        • polsenpol

          Yeah, there is no content outside of private trackers ..
          Who – Give it a break please, you are talking sheit !

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Private trackers are secure – up until the point someone mounts a raid against the server holding the membership list. Once that is done, anyone who actually HAS used the tracker can be individually linked to their ip adress, which is a far harder thing to do in a wide unlisted swarm.

          In short, private trackers by their very nature enforce a mechanism which makes them almost as dangerous to use as a private DC+ hub.

          What saves most private trackers is that they are usually too small to warrant a law enforcement raid. For now.

  • Tt

    this will be good for porn
    :)

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  • The_Strawbear

    It’s nice to see new ideas popping on on Vuze but I can’t really see this being much more than a gimmick tbh, there’s already more than enough places to go and film out that people who liked a also liked b. Still, change is ever good.

  • Who

    @TheInvisibleMan: yep you are defiantly pissed off about getting kicked out of privet sites. and with good reason, you attitude SUCKS altogether. and you are defiantly an ignorant person witch explains y you got kicked and band. BTW you REAL IP is NEVER protected LOL.

    • TheInvisibleMan

      [quote]BTW you REAL IP is NEVER protected LOL.[/quote]

      It is when you use a cloned modem.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      It is when it becomes hard to link the ip doing the scraping off the tracker to an individual.

      On a private tracker, you actually have a personalized membership list which allows such a link to be made. One raid against a private tracker and everyone using that service is in trouble since most of their legal defense has just gone out of the window.

      Now I’m not getting into the “which one is better” debate – just pointing out that the idea that private trackers are more “secure” is in fact total BS. As it must be when the participants provide more information about themselves rather than less.

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  • bedouin

    I primarily use private trackers, namely because they are the only sites that cater to some of my niche interests OR even have good content a available. Most advise their users to disable DHT; I did until TPB adopted magnet links. By enabling DHT have I essentially opened those private trackers up to the public? I’m using Transmission. If that’s the case then I suppose I need to return to running a DHT enabled client for specifically for TPB and another for everything else.

    • http://www.facebook.com/djdutrow Robert Dutrow

      I use private trackers just for peace of mind.

      • Anyone

        what peace of mind?
        enjoying having all your downloads logged in one central location?

      • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

        Just wait until someone at the MPAA comes up with the idea that logging swarms on private trackers will nab them some of the biggest pirates. We already see that they’re going after them hard. They know TPB is pretty much untouchable so they no longer bother.

        • Who

          HTF do you think they are able to track open BT LOL. the wide open swarm LOLLOLOLOLOL.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Well, this is a classic case for the better resiliency of open bittorrent.

          On a private tracker all you actually need is one person able to get into the private swarm, then log all ip adresses, and then mount a raid against the tracker in order to obtain the membership list.

          At which point it does little good to claim it wasn’t “your” ip when they have both your ip AND your name on a list of members. “Reasonable doubt” in most courtrooms just fell by the wayside.

    • Anyone

      you can safely enable DHT and still use private trackers
      their .torrent files have the private flag set, so your client will disable DHT for those torrents

      Transmission does use DHT (for public torrents)

  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    Hate when the word “anonymous” is used incorrectly. Nothing anonymous about the Internet when nations are spending billions of dollars to track you and colluding with software and hardware developers. 2 SSH tunnels… VPN… TOR… outed by a fucking closed-source .DLL file.

    Easy to hide from the MAFIAA? Absolutely. But you’re never anonymous on the Internet. FInd an old laptop. Throw out the hard disk. Run a live Linux distro CD. Preconfig FF to disable Flash and Java. Spoof MAC address. Find an open WiFi somewhere and ensure no cameras. Go to that location only once. Even then… you’re not entirely anonymous–just “compartmentalized” as spies call it.

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  • EricPost

    Sounds similar to the Japanese P2P Winny and Share where you have to look for nodes. And you can have up to five key words to search for. So you find results based on those keywords. And when someone uploads a file, he designated key words to be associated with that file.

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    this is bad advice. DHT allows you to be tracked.

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  • Anonymous

    You shouldn’t be advising people to do this. It isn’t safe to use public Bittorrent. Unless you like receiving “pay up or else” letters, you should not use a public tracker.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H6MFT4FPSLZLZUE4LFNZAOHBQU Me Too

      … unless the IP # used isn’t traceable to you. Free wifi FTW.

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