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Usenet Feels The Heat As Copyright Holders Try To Strip Away Content

Usenet is a lesser known file-sharing system that its fans have tried to keep under the radar for years. However, the genie has been out of the bottle for a long time and with an increasingly tech-savvy userbase Usenet has managed to attract millions of paying customers. Although still nowhere as big as BitTorrent, there are now increasing signs that copyright holders large and small are targeting their takedown resources on Usenet.

Despite the BitTorrent explosion of the past few years there have always been file-sharers who believe that if you want secure access to content at the fastest speeds, Usenet is the place to obtain it.

Usenet does indeed have inherent security (at least for downloaders) and due to its users handing over hard cash for services, bandwidth is in plentiful supply. Couple this with retention (the length of time content is held on servers after upload) of around 1000 days and simple downloading mechanisms with NZB files, Usenet’s attraction has increased massively in the last few years.

But despite these perceived upsides, users are complaining more often that content they expect to be present on Usenet servers has actually gone by the time they try to retrieve it. The culprit – DMCA takedowns.

Speaking with Dutch news site Tweakers, Mark van Herpen, who is responsible for the processing of notice-and-takedown requests at Usenet provider Tweak News, says that in the past six months there has been a rapid increase in DMCA-type notices received from copyright holders, and not just the large ones either.

“It’s not necessarily big parties like Disney who want their content taken offline,” said Van Herpen. “Sometimes they are television companies too.”

On that front (although not exactly small) the UFC definitely appear to be targeting Usenet more heavily than in the past. After reading several complaints that UFC content was being quickly removed from Usenet immediately following their live events, we approached their anti-piracy company for comment.

“What my team does is monitor usenet 24/7 using a Bayesian Classifier. We also verify everything 100% to ensure we are making the proper removal requests for the UFC and our other clients,” Joe Morganelli of Morganelli Group LLC told TorrentFreak.

“My team also has many ‘insiders’ that keep us on the pulse of what is going on with changes. There is no other company that does what we do with such success and speed.”

Morganelli refused to go into further detail with us on how this all works but what is clear is that aside from monitoring Usenet directly, anti-piracy companies are also getting their information from Usenet indexing sites such as Newzbin and NZBMatrix. When people post up links to content, this is monitored by anti-piracy companies directly and orders for that content to be removed are issued straight away.

“The public has only just started to notice it now,” said the owner of another major Usenet provider who does not want to be named. “The increase is continuing. We’re pretty heavily under attack at the moment.”

The systems being used by rightsholders are increasingly automated and according to Steve, a representative from popular Usenet company Astraweb, his company has little choice but to comply with each and every one or risk becoming a target.

“We have an automated process. Nearly everything about Usenet is an automated process, and DMCA notification processing is just another automated process,” he explained recently.

“DMCAs: it’s a given. We receive, we process! No debates! End of story! If we want to continue to operate as a business, we have to comply or get shut down.”

Steve said that his company is receiving more DMCAs than it has done in the past due to false rumors that his company doesn’t respond to DMCA notices, but what is clear is that many providers are feeling the strain in their takedown departments.

Niels Huijbregts, spokesman for Xs4all, reported an increase in newsgroup takedown notices during the legal battle between BREIN and News-Service Europe, a fight that BREIN won.

“When the case was ongoing in court a huge number of notice-and-takedowns came in,” Huijbregts says, adding that he suspected BREIN wanted to show that the company did not adequately respond to the requests. Whatever the response, the outcome was catastrophic for News-Service who soon announced their closure.

While there can be little doubt that Usenet is being targeted more heavily than in the past, a content-removal crisis point is yet to be reached with many people perfectly happy with their lot. That said, a tipping point could soon be here. Already there is a growing feeling that BitTorrent is a better bet if people want to be sure that the content they seek is actually still online.

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  • Anyone

    DMCA has to die, censorship is not acceptable

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Agreed!!
      DMCA and all similarly restrictive legislation that limits the rights of people Worldwide to share what we want and when we want MUST go.

      The MAFIAA and their friendly orgs Worldwide MUST adapt to the 21st Century expectations, needs and wants of 21st people – otherwise WE shall be making the legislation to make filesharing and Piracy fair.

      • Grammar Police

        Because it’s your right to take everything for free, and fuck the people who actually do the work… Go die in a fire.

        • http://alllen.tumblr.com/ allen

          that’s not what he said

        • MadAsASnake

          No, DMCA has to die because it is a bad law that is being abused by the copyright cartel. I have no problem with takedowns, but there should be mandatory and substantial penalties for false claims through the system.

        • PiRat

          Not taking, copying, retard.

        • Anyone

          no, it’s my right to have an uncensored internet
          why does the MAFIAA think they have the right to censor the internet?

        • Ophelia Millais

          Bathwater…baby… who cares, right?

        • Wallace

          How can you be the grammar police if you can’t read?

          Also, enigmax is waiting for your check paying for his article you just took for free.

        • Titletown99030507d

          He read it. He didn’t download it.

        • Guest

          Grammar Police is right, you guys! Look how hard we’re fucking teh artists!1!1

          http://www.google dot com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=filesharers+%22buy+more%22

        • Dirtyshits

          Spot on mate.

        • Andrew Lee

          So you’ve never shared anything with anyone ever? I’m not only talking about online. If you insist on viewing it that way you need to apply it to everything that exist. “Even loaning a tool to your own mother.” If you have I suggest you go follow your own directions.

          You can’t just attack one part of sharing when it exist in so many forms. Want to make the claim that pirates cost companies money? Well if you put it that way every mother fucker that’s loaned anything out period is a fucking thief as well.

          Don’t like me calling you a thief for someone that goes on every single day across the globe? Too bad because all you morons that want to bitch about copyright are just as guilty.

          Tell my you’ve never loaned anything EVER! Please!

        • Fredrika

          > “Because it’s your right to take everything for free, and fuck the people who actually do the work…”

          1. Copying is not taking. Copying is manufacturing a copy. Manufacturing is never taking

          2. The only price possible when manufacturing copies with the equipment you have in front of yourself is free, no other price is possible, the price is not up for discussion. So it’s illogical to comment on the price.

          3. It is a human right to seek, receive and impart information through any media and regardless of frontiers, which is exactly what filesharing constitutes.

          4. Nobody else is fucked when you manufacture a copy. All the work involved in making the copy is performed by the pirates.

          5. The people that create the creative work have their own responsibility to adapt to reality and get by, that responsibility does not fall on any other party, such as any pirates.

          > “Go die in a fire.”

          Might i suggest you spend more time focusing on reality and logical facts, instead of grammar, peoples life and conflagrations? Maybe that would help you look less of an ignorant idiot.

        • Neb12
        • SS7

          YES it is right of people to dont agree with laws, to dont respect laws , to reject laws or debate about if a law is good or not, people have right to fight to force corrupted coliticians and greedy bastards to listen mass people and stop making laws just for get more money , just to keep monopoly, just to keep billion peoples enslaved , without acees at informations and culture becouse all of that is protected by a stupid law like copyright – without copyright REAL ARTISTS AND ART will survive becouse people will support this , only stupid commercial shits “arts”and “artists” will fail, also corporations which parasite and spread this commercial arts everywhere – thats is a propaganda of stupidity to foolish people and keep them stupid under easy control !
          REAL AND SMART ARTISTS already know how to get reward for their arts inventions creations.- make live acts show events , make sites where people can donate and sustain ,where fans can get gifts , where artists can get money from advertising etc etc , just lazy shit artists dont like this system becouse thay are to stupid and without real cultural value , of course trolls dont like becouse they intermediate these commercial shits and iwthout these they fail !

          Thousends years , artists and inventors doesnt protected by copyright laws and even without this world evolve and develop very well ,and artists inventors dont die becouse of this – humanity progres becouse of free sharing informations becouse of process of learning (from past , from others experiences) and all for free , without culture without informations humasn will decay and little by little will become like animals – i really whant to see you mr Grammar Police asking for money some mass primitive illiterate (without education culture) humans ,guess what will happen – you will be killed ,when mass people will not have real acces at education , food and others basic things people will revolt and then laws will eb just piece of paper ( learn history and you will see when presure on people is high , when people dont have enough money to buy food , to have acces at education and decent life , even they work hard then people will revolt and destroy everything , then doesnt matter if they will be killed )

          Today EVERYTHING is turnin on SHIT COMMERCIAL , all is about Money , ALL IS FOR SALE , EVERYTHING – look around the world is a real shit now becouse of this commercial , humans dead or alive are for sale (even that is not legal) all kind of drugs and pills which destroy people or making addiction (legal or illegal) toxic junk food wich make addiction ,etc etc we all know and see this real problems ,some of them are even now legal – think about why? becouse giants corporations make a lot money sale products which make addictions or kill people , why advertising , tv media is so agressive , and presure is to high ? to manipulate people , keep addictions and keep people stupid

          Fuck yourself Grammar Police , when mass people will go on streets when people will stand up and fight for rights i want to see you then !

        • http://thepiratebay.se/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

          FUCK YOU ASSHOLE GO SUCK THE MAFIAA’s TINY COCKS YOU FAGGOT

          FUCK THE POLICE, FUCK THE FEDS, AND FUCK HOLLYWOOD FOREVER

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Jones/831763256 Joseph Jones

          Idiot. Not everything being affected by DMCA is “being taken”. When DMCA was first legsilated you even had brother & sister parts of large MNC’s on opposing sides of the issue because what the music label part of the business wanted directed got in the way of what the internet based content provider side of the house was.

          Do your homework you mouth-breathing troll.

    • Dirtyshits

      but stealing is? fuck you you double standards fuct turd

      • Fredrika

        > “but stealing is? fuck you you double standards fuct turd”

        Censorship and stealing not ok. Copying is not stealing. 5 years olds understand this easy fact. Not you though.. Maybe people calling themselves for Dirtyshits are naturally stupid?

        • Hurroman

          get over yourself. We all know what he means by it..

          You are “stealing” by “downloading” an unauthorised copy. You aren’t copying shit.
          The only people copying are the release groups.

          How many fucktards do you see commenting on movie trailers on youtube “downloading off the TPB as i watch this >:)” with 100+ likes.
          These are potential sale loses.. not your hippy ass faggots stating “i probably wouldn’t have even bought it” after having watched the damn thing.

          Well tuff titties, you already watched it. Whether or not it was good is irrelevant.

        • Fredrika

          > “get over yourself. We all know what he means by it..”

          What you believe he meant has no relevance to the fact that what he wrote was entirely wrong.

          > “You are “stealing” by “downloading” an unauthorised copy.”

          Not according to neither law, logics, physics or proper honest use of language. To believe otherwise you have to be rather ignorant or dishonest.

          > “You aren’t copying shit.”

          Copying is copying regardless of your ignorant opinions.

          > “The only people copying are the release groups.”

          Everybody’s copying.

          > “How many fucktards do you see commenting on movie trailers on youtube “downloading off the TPB as i watch this >:)” with 100+ likes.”

          Intelligent financially sane capitalist people that act according to the free market rules by manufacturing things themselves for free instead of wasting their money on buying useless products.

          > “These are potential sale loses..”

          You can not lose something that you have never had in the first place. There’s no such thing as a lost sale, it’s called being a failed entrepreneur that manages to sell nothing, and those deserve no money according to the free market rules. Do you have a problem with the free market? Are you advocating communism?

          > “Well tuff titties, you already watched it. Whether or not it was good is irrelevant.”

          Well, watching things has always been free so that’s not really relevant. The only thing that costs money is buying goods ans services, but if you don’t buy any, there’s nothing to pay, no cost. Simple economic logics, that most people grasp..

        • foo

          While I agree with you that copying should not be against the law I think it should be strongly discouraged against legal alternatives to compensate people for their effort.

          If you think that ‘watching things has always been free’ and mean film, TV, music, books, what have you, you are both naive and a buffoon. It has already been paid for you. If you’re in the position to think this, you have been privileged all your life and probably are too accustomed to it to fully see the reality of people making things happen around you.

          If your only definition of monetary transactions only relate to goods and services I pity your image of the world, and how little you seem to understand about art and the people who create it. Come to think of it, I kinda feel sorry for you either way.

        • Fredrika

          > “While I agree with you that copying should not be against the law..”

          Since i didn’t state that i believe that, i’m not sure who you are agreeing with.

          > “..I think it should be strongly discouraged against legal alternatives..”

          People should be discouraged from one legal because of another legal alternative?

          > “..to compensate people for their effort.”

          You don’t seem to understand how entrepreneurship works. The entrepreneurs are never compensated for their effort. All the work and effort that entrepreneurs perform will always go unpaid, because it is not work for hire or an employed job. That’s what differentiates self chosen risk taking entrepreneurship from regular employment.

          The money that is later collected through sales is not a compensation for that initial effort, it’s payment for the sold goods or services, nothing else.

          People usually buy those goods and services because they feel that the asked for price corresponds with the perceived value of the good or service, not because they want to compensate any earlier effort.

          If that would be the case, it would be charity, but encouraging people to give charity to self chosen entrepreneurs is a rather anti-capitalistic and anti-free market suggestion you put forward. According to capitalism and the free market rules, the responsibility for making sales and generating revenues lies on the entrepreneur alone.

          His success is something that he himself should achieve, it’s not something that should be taken care of through charity, and people most certainly should not feel guilt unless they give charity to self chosen entrepreneurs. Such bizarre social behaviour would destroy the free market and competitive entrepreneurship, and generate products of lesser quality.

          When you say “I think it should be strongly discouraged against legal alternatives to compensate people for their effort”, what you in essence are saying is that you believe artists are, or should be, freetards that should receive charity, instead of competing for it as a regular entrepreneurs.

          > “If you think that ‘watching things has always been free’ and mean film, TV, music, books, what have you, you are both naive and a buffoon.”

          Stating the indisputable fact that watching things is free makes you a naive buffoon? Here’s an idea, why don’t you sit down and watch or read a copy you have in front of yourself, and you will indeed find that it is free.

          > “It has already been paid for you.”

          No, it has not, because watching is always free. What has possibly been paid for is something else, as in the copy, but something else or the copy was not what i discussed.

          But it should be noted that the original copies of what’s available on the filesharing networks have also been paid for in one way or another.

          > “If you’re in the position to think this, you have been privileged all your life..”

          Watching is free for all people, regardless of what i think, or how privileged i am. Access to copies of culture has also been free for everyone for the last 170 years, because of a thing called libraries.

          > “If your only definition of monetary transactions only relate to goods and services..”

          No, not monetary transactions, buying was the key word. And it’s not my definition, that’s society’s definition, and it says that only two things can be bought by a consumer, goods or services, and you can verify this fact in your own consumer legislation.

          > “..I pity your image of the world, and how little you seem to understand about art and the people who create it.”

          Understanding for art and the people who create it has nothing to do with the economical and legislative fact that only goods and services can be bought by a consumer. Having understanding for this fact says nothing about a persons image of the world.

          > “Come to think of it, I kinda feel sorry for you either way.”

          What leads you to believe that your personal feelings about any people have anything to do with this discussion?

    • David002

      hello guys,

      if someone would be so kind to tell Audionews I want my account back which I canceled. . lol

      nah it is ok. ;)

      The last months have been a bit chaotic for me. I am slipping into a psychosis. sure about that. (elevated associative thinking, paranoia, etc) people on the tv are talking to me… not good. need to go to the shrink.

      anyway, I will be back on AN after some time with a new handle. If you all do not find that too bothersome.(elevated associative thinking) it should go away if I take meds.

      greets

      David

      • Wf

        Schizo?

  • joexxx

    If you pay for something, there is a money trail. Money trail is a HUGE security hole. So Usenet is not safe and not secure!

    • Usenetuser

      LOL
      Buying a paycard at a local shop is a HUGE money trail! OMFG what am I going to do??? lol

    • Midas

      Not illegal to have a usenet sub? And how will they find out what you download?

      • joexxx

        If you’re asking these questions, you should take the advice.

        • Midas

          Rhetoric questions…

    • Mark

      This is the silliest comment I’ve ever read. Usenet is not inherently illegal. There are plenty of legal things on usenet. So just because you pay for it doesn’t make you a criminal. Just like having a Bittorrent client isn’t illegal

      • Randy_Lahey

        It makes a wonderful alternative to cloud storage and harddrives..Archive the files with a password, give them some random name, send them to usenet, save the nzb, and it’ll be there for about 4 years.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Actually, more like forever since most don’t expire things anymore.

        • joexxx

          Never store anything there you can’t afford to lose at anytime.

      • joexxx

        If you are not doing anything illegal than you have nothing to worry about. The article is about something else though.
        Read the article.

      • Guest

        He didn’t speak about illegality of Usenet.

        He wrote that they can track you (if you use Paypal, Visa, Mastercard, etc)

        Of course it’s more secure to use Bitcoin, Paysafecard, Ukash.

        • Anyone

          however they cannot track what you are downloading from usenet (unless they take over the usenet provider)

        • Post

          I wish someone could point me (stupid guy I guess) to a decent link that simply shows how to buy Bitcoin?

        • Guest

          The simplest way to buy bitcoin is to use a Bitcoin exchange, like MtGox or Intersango.

      • Post

        I remember the old days of Usenet where Internet discussions like this would’ve taken place over there.

    • Pelham123

      “If you pay for something, there is a money trail. Money trail is a HUGE security hole. ”

      Right, which is why you should never pay for downloaded content. That’s why two losers of $1.5 million civil suits just found out … they were sued because gay porn files they had purchased were being shared online. Moral: Don’t own any media stamped with a purchase by you just in case someone else steals your laptop, etc.

      • joexxx

        Yeah, that was a funny one.

      • Anyone

        exactly, don’t pay for the content
        you’ll get sued anyway by those greedy assholes

    • Cheesethief

      Except Usenet is not illegal (and with SSL, i’m really not worried)

      By my logic your using some kind of private torrent site (which is easily infriltratable by the feds assuming they adhere to ratio/download limits) and since money is EVILZ, your most likely not using a VPN or similar encryption so good luck hiding your ass when the MPAA/RIAA catch up

      • joexxx

        If you’re using Usenet for purely legal purposed, you have nothing to worry about.
        The article is not about that though.
        With your information security logic, you should take my advice.

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      It’s not much of a security hole unless someone can see what you’re downloading. You must not use Usenet except when your transfers are encrypted. Astreweb is good. Make sure to choose a server which is encrypted and out of the United States. They are not, I believe, more insecure than a good VPN. That is to say they’re pretty secure, but not perfect perhaps if they are raided and forced to run their servers while date is harvested, or something like that.

      • joexxx

        It doesn’t matter, you can use SSL 300 times over, but if the record of your transfer exists on the server you’re transferring from, you’re screwed!

        Of course the idea is to have at least plausible deniability if they’re forced to hand over the records. Money trail makes such deniability very unlikely.

        • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

          Same as a VPN. There is a money trail and it’s a matter of what they have on their servers if they are raided.

        • Baxtar

          Check the TOS of the Usenet providers (ie Astraweb). Most of them don’t log the files you download. Only the amount of data and the time of connection.

  • Usenet

    I use usenet and the provider I use I have noticed has been removing files really quickly. This wasn’t happening a year ago or even 6 months ago. Some people are uploading the same files now two or three times so they don’t get found as quick and removed.

    If the whole thing isn’t gone half of the files will be, at least pars can repair them for the time being.

    • Post

      They’ll like go to a private scheme like with What.CD where it’s hard to get in and they’ll bounce you out for even the slightest offense.

  • Sunshine1970

    I haven’t noticed any problems, yet, with usenet….The stuff I search for must be a little out of the norm from what others look for, I guess…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ender-Wiggin/100000885624281 Ender Wiggin

    damnit, i hate when the enemy does something smart.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      It’s only ten years past the expected date, to be honest.

      Proving, I Guess, that even the MPAA/RIAA can do something effectively if people write it on their noses for a decade.

      Pity for them it won’t impact much.

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  • zoomstop

    We need a PirateBay style news server. One without USA ties who can choose to not honor DMCA requests. Set this up and take my money please!

    • Anyone

      since Usenet needs huge amount of space compared to thepiratebay it is hard to run that for free and obscure

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Hard, but not impossible in the slightest.

    • http://twitter.com/chinaski2323 Henry Chinaski

      soooo… you want a newsserver that doesn’t host any content? that makes a lot of sense. Usenet is both centralized and distributed — good luck coming up with a P2P version of Usenet. You might as well create an entirely new protocol. Now THERE’s an awesome idea.

  • Midas

    Don’t touch my usenet assholes!!!

    • Anonymous42311324

      Agreed!

  • xmichaelx

    Lately I’ve had trouble finding Usenet downloads of movies & TV that AREN’T spam or viruses. Even the channels I used to trust have seemingly been taken over by a-holes.

    I’ve moved back to torrenting, for the most part.

    • Randy_Lahey

      Hit up #alt.binaries.teevee on efnet, do your search there with “-s shownamehere” and you wont have that problem anymore.

      • xmichaelx

        Thanks!

      • Asfnasj

        how do you do a search on efnet?

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      Oh seriously, If what you want is movies and TV, how in the world could you go wrong? TV often comes on a half hour or less after it airs. For movies, just look at the comments on NZBMatrix. Usually they indicate a bad file… but there is almost never spam.

  • Dondilly

    I’ve always considered high volumes of large binaries an abuse of usenet.. The system was designed primarily for text forums.

    In recent years it has been the exponential increase in bandwidth and storage of binaries with now only ‘old skool’ netizens using it for test that has resulted in practically all ISPs either withdrawing or letting their usenet servers wither and not upgraded. New ISPs don’t even bother providing usenet, leaving it to large centralised usenet services. It used to be difficult to remove posts from unmoderated groups due to the distributed nature of usenet. Cancellation posts were often ignored by other servers as potentially malicious.

    In short, pirated binaries have and continue to ensure the demise of usenet which has in the past 15 years changed from a truelly distributed forum network tolerent to takedowns which tended to only have local effect into a highly centralized and easily targeted repositories of pirate warez and very soft target.

    • Post

      Usenet was awesome in the late 90s. You had great discussions and always a clueless troll and an deliberate troll, that made the forums rock.

  • Guest

    This is what happens when you ignore the first rule. No bullshit.

  • pcGnome

    First, the 1000 day figure is way out of date (now 1500). It’s easy – just count the days from early September 2008 until “now” and you get the current retention rate, which is to say that UseNet no longer expires.

    What this article is sadly lacking is the point that every UseNet provider has its own copy of everything. A takedown notice may have no effect if it does not reach your particular provider.

    And then there’s some question about propagation that may return what was gone yesterday and may be back tomorrow.

    pcG

  • Violated0

    Thankfully the BT network is a system where no one can remove media so even DMCA take-down requests cannot work. That does not stop some crazy people sending DMCA requests to ISPs though.

    There is only one known way to remove BT media and that is to be extremely nice to the people sharing it (calling them thieves helps none!), to have a pro-sharing attitude would help, then to state a good reason like unfinished copy. If the community considers the request worthy then they will all stop sharing the media.

    I have not used Usenet for many years. The system was a lot of hassle back then but I know that has improved since. The Usenet binary system is vulnerable to DMCA law though when take-down requests can indeed go quick and for the pirates it tends to be a lot of bandwidth to upload it again.

  • http://profiles.google.com/jhjelsma Joel J

    the first rule of usenet – don’t talk about usenet.
    The second rule of usenet – seriously, don’t talk about usenet.

    • Sunshine1970

      Sooo sooo true.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Uh, Joel J…. they already know that Usenet exists so yes, we should talk about it.

      ‘Security through obscurity’ doesn’t work in the real world.

    • Asashii

      same rule as fight club, the more people know the worse off it will be, have they found Jimmy Hoffa yet!

    • Anyone

      if you have to fear information you are exactly like the MAFIAA

    • Tum Da Tiddley Tum Ta Too

      You broke the rule by talking about it!

      • guest

        Quick ! take his left nut!

    • The_Strawbear

      I’ve never used any usenet service, I’m not a huge pirate and I’m not a techy geek and even I’ve known about usenet for as long as I’ve been online, which is well over a decade now.

      I think that secrecy ship sailed an awful long time ago, my friend.

      • ScrewEwe2

        I remember when popup ads started being used a lot, Usenet services were one of the biggest advertiser groups using popups.

      • Post

        I tried Usenet for 30 days but never found much on it. The quality of the speed was good, but it was the same as a private tracker, at least for me. But I could never seem to find anything I wanted. Of course that was years ago and long before the death of the file locker system we’re seeing now (well near death compared to a few years ago)

  • aguest

    so is usenet downloading truly anonymous ? are there really no logs kept ?

    • Sunshine1970

      Depends on the company. I use easynews. I believe they say they keep logs for about 6 months.

    • joexxx

      Truly anonymous? Are you joking?

    • Cheesethief

      I used Astranet over SSL. They also don’t keep logs (so they say)

      • Wffw2

        Astraweb

  • Anonymous

    if the entertainment industries were in control of torrent (forget the internet itself), it would be the best thing since meat came in boxes. as they aren’t, it is the worst piece of software ever invented that can only be used for infringing purposes. the same goes for anything they dont like and dont control. the whole aim is to get that control, because with less and less physical media being purchased and more and more being downloaded, no one is still going to use a legitimate site for a legitimate file if it’s gonna take a day to get. the industries know that and are doing whatever necessary to shut the sites and the methods down. once that has happened, they will try to restart how they want things to be

  • Guest

    The first rule of Usenet: We don’t talk about Usenet, the second rule of Usenet: We don’t talk about Usenet!

    • http://www.facebook.com/barga.lodo Barga Lodo

      Oh hell, get a grip. Everybody knows about Usenet now.

      • Guest

        If you didn’t break the rules of Usenet, it wouldn’t get shutdown.

      • Khe

        It’s never too late. Just lie low and shut the fuck up!

  • Randy_Lahey

    HBO shows, a lot of XBOX 360 games and select Wii games are the ones they usually take down. The last one I noticed was Halo 4, ms had each of them taken down within less than 2 days.

    PS: If somebody tells you Astraweb doesnt have a dmca problem, they’re lying.

    • Usenet

      This is who my provider is, and as I said earlier in a post tons of files are starting to go missing.

      @xmichaelx – avoid any files that are uploaded by Yenc-PP-A&A. I found that 95% of the files I have downloaded that have been upped by that user name all need a stupid password to unpack.

      • Cheesethief

        I believe http://nzbclub.com/ will tell you whether any files are passworded or not : )

  • Krozareq

    Still doing BT and XDCC with no issues.

  • OG Pirate

    What else is new? I pirate across the spectrum, Usenet if its there, torrent if its there, even the rare hit of DDL. Where there’s a will there’s a way – piracy won’t be stopped. Ever.

    • The_Strawbear

      No but quality content might stopped being made if companies can’t make their money back on it.

      • 21i9783e79

        lol fuck off

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Since any product created which is torrented well also sells well, that’s usually not a factor though.

        And honestly, if it means that companies will have to settle for creating one movie of quality rather than ten remakes, that’s all to the good.

  • sonofsmog

    Whah! Out of the last 10 movies/shows I tried to download. I think maybe one had been removed. They DMCA them and have them removed. We upload them right back up there. Therefore there is some copy or another continuously online do the the lag in the nature of DMCA takedown requests. Not to mention people can start there own unmonitored group just by uploading.

  • Goosmoo

    I can’t remember the last time when I searched for something but saw that it had been removed. Yaay usenet!

  • Komplot

    All the UFC fights are removed @ my usenetprovider within hours. Fucking Yankeedoodle Dana White and his Mafia companions

    And no legal options to watch the shows off course. =

  • Anpanman

    DMCA will never end so long as Obama is in office. He’s in bed with Hollywood studios and music execs more than any other president in history.

    • Anyone

      it’s more Joe Biden’s fault
      but, Romney would have been just as bad, he has proven that he has no spine, and Hollywood’s money will look nicely in his Cayman Islands account

      • Rezident_User

        Not true. The Republican’s see Hollywood as the enemy now. They’ve already helped squash some legistlation the entertainment industry wanted to ram through.

        Even if you don’t like the party…you know what they say about “the enemy of my enemy”.

        • The_Strawbear

          You’d seriously vote on the basis that a party might repeal a law regarding DMCA?

          Fuckin’ retard

        • Rezident_User

          That’s not what I said Strawbear.

          You’re really brave, insulting me anonymously from your mother’s basement.

      • MWM

        FUCK THEM ALL USA , doesnt matter if is republican or demorcats all is the same – greedy bastards parasites !

    • Posr

      Then again Sonny Bono’s wife (He along with her was responsible for extending copyright even longer) was just defeated for Congress. I would say the next step we’l see is toward perpetual copyright of entertainment.

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    • Dtoe

      thank you. very good.

      d

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  • http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

    “Usenet is a lesser known file-sharing system that its fans have tried to keep under the radar for years.”

    But on every TPB/MU article, the comment section is spammed with “lul torrentz, use usenet nubs”.

    • Komplot

      Shit went downhill when searching headers wasn’t required anymore. Soon after that everything about usenet got automated and now (since a couple years) every retard can download shit from it. Short term greed from the usenet providers!

      • The_Strawbear

        Everyone has short term greed, this is why we have the problem.

        Media publishing houses overcharge for their shit.
        Usenet, VPNs, Lockers and private trackers want cash for access to that ‘free’ shit
        Pirates want that shit for free.
        Even free torrent sites want their ad revenue.

        So until some compromises are made on all sides this war’s just going to get bloodier and bloodier.

        Try telling that to either the pirates here or the idiotic media companies…. both as blinkered and greedy as each other.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Here’s the problem…if roughly 99% of all pirates stopped sharing overnight, any media would still, for all intents and purposes, have global coverage. Don’t you remember this from the days of the cassette tape?

          And we know, with empirical numbers, that filesharing doesn’t hurt sales.

          The main issue at hand is that the only “compromise” the media companies are willing to go for is one where online privacy needs to cease to exist. And that just isn’t acceptable.

      • Post

        This is a large truth. Usenet before was not convenient. So you had to really read and learn how to use headers properly, along with Par files and such. By simplifying it and making it more like a torrent system, (Click and download), it brought it to the main stream. The way AOL brought Internet mainstream

  • anonymous

    usenet has problems its one of the reasons I have never fully relied on it, really only way for usenet to stay safe at this juncture now that the MAFFIA is coming after them a little harder then usual is to do a 180 and change their whole system around where money is always moving around (it never stays in the same place) and the owners of the sites are a 100% anonymous.

    Downloaders have always been secure on usenet but that doesn’t stop the sites from being taken down and the owners of the sites facing prison time as well as forced to pay ridiculous amounts of money.

  • Who

    all they are trying to do is scare you into stopping your activity. they have been after ALL P2P networks since DMCA was started.

    @Grammar Police: you have no idea what you are talking about. and you got no CLUE how the system works.

    @Guest: this also applies to ANY other person: “Grammar Police is right, you guys! Look how hard we’re fucking teh artists!1!1″
    YOU DON’T KNOW SHIT about whats going on behind the scenes do you?
    its NOT file sharing that’s hurting them, its the ASS HOLES that run the IRAA/MPAA that’s hurting them. in the past 10 years both industries have had MAJOR increases in profits.

    even IF P2P is stopped, do you think that EVERY person that downloads will just start paying for music/movies/games? don’t think so. so what really will it accomplish? NOTHING!

    • BleedU

      um, you should of clicked on “guest”‘s link, that way you can see it was sarcasium

      • Anyone

        or even just read the link, as it was pretty descriptive

      • Who

        umm….I did check it, and I seen a lot of links pertaining to so called statics showing just how much P2P is actually hurting them, but the problem is that they are not just putting the blame of looses on P2P, they also blame P2P for the economic hardships and the loss of over 100.000 jobs just in America.*but of course we all know this is a down right LIE*
        if it was sarcasm, he linked to the wrong shit LOL.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Actually the link appeared to go to one of the numerous studies stating that “filesharers buy more media”.

          So yes, the poster was being sarcastic. And you should apologize. :)

  • Chronoss2008

    ya know i cant wait till there is nothing…..left
    no adverting there movies so one might take a gf to see a film
    no adverting a film you and some buds might go see
    no more word a mouth to tell anyone a film is any good as we all know tv adverting is garbage.

    its time for the next step
    opensource movies and music
    same reason linux got made….

    and to those that think they are making massive profits
    google up theatre sales
    they aren’t and they are losing this war
    and as one might say the more you tighten your grip the more we win.

    oh and ive got 6 tb a SD.x264 movies and tv ….thats equiv to 12 tb NON x264
    ive got 200 gb of rpg ebooks
    ive 1 million novels and ebooks
    including 5000 non fiction
    all kinds a apps.

    ASK YOUR SELF hollyfuckers do i care what you do anymore?
    ill entertain myself you stupid mentally challenged over rated wannabe lawyery gear box censoring pieces a shit faggits that need your momma to sobre you up lohan style.

    • The_Strawbear

      Open source movies… Oh my.

      Hope you like murky arthouse cinema, tho with 6tb of films, I’m guessing you like those big expensive films too. They cost money you moronic dipshit. Try and see that’s a fact, regardless of anything else and that making a film isn’t something you can do in the same time as it takes to watch that film.

      If you’re so keen on opensource films, go spend 10 years of 4 hours after work each day (or more likely primary school), where you’re writing, designing, planning, shooting, editing and sound recording your own magnum opus and then give that away.

      Oh what you can’t be bothered? Why not?

      • Anyone

        look at Iron Sky for a great movie from outside the MAFIAA

        • guest

          Iron Sky was total shit.

          It tried way too hard to be “funny”

      • Chronoss2008

        ya im go pirate all the software to do special affects get 300 tutorialials take a school course that tax payers pay for and guess what jerk ill make my own animations and fun

        screw you and hollystupid, if i feel inlcined ill give everything i make away freely

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  • anotherguest

    so, wait, usenet providers do keep logs ?

    • Anonymous42311324

      Very rarely (very few providers), but some of them will monitor what you upload

  • http://twitter.com/JerkfaceMcGee Jerkface McGee

    A majority of DMCA notices nowadays are automated. Try putting spaces in a supposedly infringing link (or telling people to change a character with another one) and see how long it takes for it to be removed.

  • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

    Um, I thought DMCA was only for United States-based companies. I’m sure that any US based Usenet servers would go out of business, but what does that have to do with any real impact on Usenet? One can live in the US and download from Astraweb’s European encrypted server, for example.

  • Naneieghamar

    “tech-savvy userbase”? Really? If Usenet’s userbase were tech-savvy, they weren’t paying for what is free.

  • xondooo

    No doubt about it man, you gotta love Usenet!
    http://www.Free-Usenet.tk

  • Darius

    To potential Thundernews subscribers:
    Thundernews uses Astraweb for some groups and will take down shows like Arrow, Revolution, and UFC in well under 24 hours.

  • siuciu
    • lerow

      The above site is advertising on your dime, Newspaper and you are losing revenue.

  • Hallu

    Rule number 1 : You DO NOT talk about usenet !
    Rule number 2 : You DO NOT TALK ABOUT USENET !!
    Rule number 3 : YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT USENET !!!

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      You just talked about Usenet.

      Jokes aside, Usenet has been very well known for the last twenty years or more, so it’s not exactly as if it were “secret”.

    • Anyone

      why not talk about it?
      the MAFIAA knows about it anyway, obscurity doesn’t work

    • Who

      yep just let the world know about it, just the same with privet trackers and there names.

      that’s how any one can find out about stuff that’s soposta be underground. you run your dam mouth about it. that’s one reason y big mouths get kicked from places like that.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Anything which relies on obscurity to be safe will fail. That’s just the way it is.

        Then again, Usenet does not rely on obscurity. Yes, finding stuff is slightly harder given automated takedowns…but then again, relatively speaking that means making two attempts instead of one since it all gets reposted or re-synched.

  • Chronoss2008

    obama , obama obama go go go rape da world nigga

  • dwpbike

    sorry, i just don’t understand the usenet concept. if i can only find something on usenet, then it means i haven’t looked hard enough for a free copy.

  • Niggerfaggot

    NO! >:(

  • zaiger

    Why the hell would a dutch company comply with a DMCA notice?

    • Post

      There are copyright treaties with most countries. True the DMCA wouldn’t apply but there is likely a similar Dutch law. It’s easier just not to take the chance and remove it.

      It’s like lawsuits. Most are not won. They are settled out of court. If the amount demanded is less than the cost of lawyer’s fees, they are usually paid out.

      So the Dutch company would likely comply with a DMCA notice, even though it didn’t have to, as the Netherlands has similar copyright laws.

      It’s kind of like a reverse of the 70s, when they would use Soviet Union music as the Soviets didn’t respect our copyrights so we didn’t respect theirs

  • piufiu
  • Hard-Reset-Required

    usenet is probably the most underground, expensive and hardest form of file-sharing there is…

    At first I thought, maybe they target this group hoping to convert some people to their own way of distribution and payment, but then I remembered that

    a) The content providers don’t compete at all, compared with what that community does
    b) It simply isn’t possible to stop a ‘copy and paste’ of bytes over an encrypted internet

    At the end of the day I always know any file can easily and cheaply be made available to everyone, as the people will innovate to ensure that’s always the case.

    I just hope people that do pay for these shows via legitimate sources realize they are directly supporting the MAFIA who aim to completely ruin internet freedom on their way down.

  • Foff

    I tried usenet once but found it a little too much work. First you have to search for the right groups then look for what you want. Torrents seem to be the best at keeping stuff alive. Usenet brags about 3 year availability but clearly from this article it is not the case. Most cyberlocker uploads are short lived. Because of the time it takes to find and take down stuff copyright orgs will never win the war on stopping uploads of the latest movie or tv or show or even book fiction or text. They may not be available long but the will be there long enough for most to get in one form or another.

    I wished one country somewhere would break ranks with all this copyright madness and provide a permanent place where all this stuff could be found. After all all the rips and digital files are an expression of culture that ought to be archived and saved.

    All of the efforts by these orgs are silly and ineffective. I don’t have cable so I stream every game of my favorite sports team the silly is, is that I see bunch of commercials from businesses in the state from where the stream originates. If my team could stream the game with local paid commercials and collect a small fee from me like $1 or $2 a game they would make far money and server a far broader base then restrictive cable agreements serve. The same applies with everything I download a small fee from millions would be better then none at all. Face it there is far too much media out there at far to high a price. The average joe can only afford a small amount. If the industry expects us to consume tons media on all our electronic gadgets then they need to bring the price down or the consumption must be limited or supplemented by piracy.

  • KhalidX

    Private nzb sites with files renamed and password protected?

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  • Anonymous42311324

    I have yet to run into any issues with Usenet, but Im not downloading 8GB games and stuff. And why is everyone saying its not secure/private? SSL keeps it secure and almost all of the providers dont monitor what you download, just what you upload (and even then, they dont care until they get a DMCA complaint). Its better to get your account cancelled then to get sued.

  • De Sade

    We also verify everything 100%

    WHat a blatant lie by this scumbag of a piss poor shit eating balls sucking moron

    tested were conducted uploading fake copyrighted material. They were takem down.
    Fucking clowns take down stuff just based on subject andor filenames

  • Thomthom

    I have being using Usenet for over a decade. It’s only now I see Binaries are disappearing withing hour’s across hundreds of groups.

    Changing names and adding passwords? forget that.

    What is needed is a strong stance to DCMA take downs, not AUTOMATED, that are not even legitimate outside the USA. Newsgroups provider’s worldwide will sink fast otherwise.

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  • Jwsir2u

    Guys,
    It’s this simple. I’ve been using usenet for 15 years. I mostly download TV shows that I already pay for through my cable provider. My DVR cant keep shows until I get time to watch them. As far as I’m concerned I’ve PAID FOR WHAT I DOWNLOAD.
    But the sad fact remains, The good ole days of usenet are over, thanks to our big business overlords.

  • Crotchedyballs

    Nzbmatrix is dead as of 9:40 am the 12th of December 2012.

  • Christopherstewart719

    My name is Christopher Matthew Stewart, as you know all of my thoughts are stolen and sold all the time without my permission and I don’t receive a dime. Please call and write everyone in power and ask them why are some things alright to take and other things are not. Please give em HELL for me!!! I don’t understand why these people are dicks when it comes to money. WHERES MY FN MONEY!!!!! Thank you for your support!!!!!!!!

  • Guest

    Joseph Morganelli ran a usenet index which was shut down for copyright infringement and was ordered to pay damages to the sum of $15 million in 2006

    http://www.legalmetric.com/cases/copyright/txnd/txnd_306cv00338.html

  • HushHush

    What’s the first rule of Usenet? Remove this article.

  • Humphry

    I’ve been using Usenet for about seven years now, and until very recently (as in the last month) it’s been flawless. I’ve not had a single issue with finding files or with completion problems.

    Now, however, I’m finding certain TV series are being removed as soon as they hit Usenet, for example 666 Park Avenue, Fringe, Supernatural. The odd thing is they seem to be only targeting HD rips (720 or 1080) as I can find 420 rips without a problem.

    I’ve confirmed this issue with Astraweb, Newsgroupdirect and UNS. I’m now going to find a block provider who does not have servers in the US and will hopefully not comply with DMCA takedowns.

    • Humphry

      Well that didn’t take long. I’ve already found a non-US provider not bound by US laws and thus has all the stuff I was looking for which had been taken down by DMCA requests.

      I guess it’s time to permanently move away from US based companies and use a European one instead.

      • Ttt

        recommendations?

  • Titletown99030507d

    If your not the owner of the material on the usenet site and and the owner never uploaded then guess what it’s stealing. You didn’t work hard to put that material on your website just so someone can steal it under your nose and let everyone use it for a fee. How in the hell is it just for a company that doesn’t own any copywrited material sell it to everyone without their persmission and not get a single penny out of it. Im sure if you had material that had worth and value and you made your living off of it and someone is selling it on a site like that and you got nothing for it Im sure it would piss you off. You people who come to these sites and mooch of of them is what’s wrong with this country. Lazy ass people who don’t work and want something for nothing. God help this country.

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