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Warner Music Director Profited From Piracy

The copyright infringement lawsuit filed by FilmOn founder Alki David against CNET’s Download.com has brought to light an interesting fact. In their complaint, plaintiffs allege that CNET profited from copyright infringement as the site was the main distributer of LimeWire. Although CNET’s liability is far from proven, it is certainly worth noting that Warner Music director Shelby Bonnie was also CNET’s CEO at the time LimeWire got sued.

bonnieLast month CNET’s Download.com and parent company CBS were sued for several copyright infringement related offenses for their role in distributing LimeWire and other P2P software. Alki David and various artists allege that the defendants profited from copyright infringement, and now want to be compensated.

“The CBS Defendants have been the main distributor of LimeWire software and have promoted this and other P2P systems in order to directly profit from wide-scale copyright infringement. Internet users have downloaded more then [sic] 220 million copies from Defendants’ website, found at Download.com, since 2008,” the complaint reads.

As the case moves on some interesting arguments are appearing on the table. One of the most controversial items overlooked thus far concerns current Warner Music director and CNET co-founder Shelby Bonnie. Believe it or not, Bonnie served on the board of directors at Warner Music and was also the CEO of CNET, all at the time LimeWire was being sued.

As The Music Void points out, Bonnie was invited to join the Warner Music board in November 2005, just 4 months after the landmark Grokster ruling. At that time Bonnie was still CNET’s CEO, a position he gave up during the fall of 2006. After that, he continued to serve on CNET’s board of directors until March 2007.

Since it’s no secret that CNET made a healthy profit from the millions of LimeWire clients that were downloaded from its site every month, this could lead to the awkward conclusion that a prominent Warner Music director profited from piracy.

While it should be noted that LimeWire hadn’t been convicted of doing anything illegal at the time, it is quite unusual that the CEO of LimeWire’s main distribution platform was simultaneously a director of one of the record labels going after LimeWire in court (and launching numerous individual file-sharers).

It would definitely be interesting to hear the thoughts of the former CNET CEO on the issue, should he be called as a witness. Perhaps Bonnie opted to keep the healthy revenue stream alive until the court banned it, despite the massive losses Warner Music was claiming?

Whatever the case, the above must have been the topic of some heated discussions at the Warner Music board of directors. After all, it wouldn’t really be far-fetched to compare it to a Universal Pictures director who also serves on the board of The Pirate Bay’s hosting company.

Indeed, that would be quite unbelievable.

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  • Anonymous

    Send him to prison.

    • Anonymous 2

      I’d like to see him gets raped in jail

      • Mr.Afghanistan

        +1
        bust his ass =)

    • NeoToasty

      It bothers me that people who are so hellbent on criminalizing those who download. Yet, are the same people like this guy profiting on the very thing they’re putting people in jail for.

      Those who are like that, definitely should not be in a position of power from anywhere. But are anyways. Fuck this gigantic screwball, it’s all it is, one of the biggest double-standards I’ve ever seen.

  • Anon

    so basically, what is being said is that no one can download anything that MAY be used for file sharing, whether the files are legal or not, just in case it MAY be used for sharing illegal files. how long is it going to be then, before no one is able to use a search engine, such as Google, in case the results include ‘illegal sites and/or files’? oops! sorry! that happens now! so why not have the balls and take on Google or a similar search engine? scared you’re gonna lose and a precedent is set? scared you will totally destroy the internet? it still wont send people flocking back to the stores to buy stuff, morons!

    • Anonymous

      I would love to see that happen and see their revenue drop to 0 after the world boycotts the music industry.

    • Sc1tale

      Hear, hear.

      Ban cars!!

      Cars MAY be used in association with organised crime.

  • Asftt

    Are they suing themselves? I don’t get it. What company is going after Disney for piracy?

    • Ryzzo

      Billionaire Alki David and some rap stars are suing Warner because they own CNET and they claim that CNET is guilty of contributory copyright infringement for promoting the Limewire software on download.com. Alki David probably doesn’t really care about any of this himself, but he’s pissed at Warner and is trying to cause them financial loses any way he can.

      • Trololol

        I approve of causing the big four as much grief as possible, and then some more. Stupid asses are trying to create an Internet Dark Age, the fucking cunts.

        • http://twitter.com/david_boulton David Boulton

          That is exactly what they’re trying to do. This whole situation we in has incredible parallels to the conflict between intellectuals and the religious. The existing monetary institution has replaced the religious one, but is no less dogmatic. The intellectuals haven’t changed – they’re still fighting the same war, against new and even more influencial theologies.

  • Effra

    bill gates should be sued, he came up with windows and home computing on a massive scale….lmao

    • StevO

      Well this is considerably close tot he same thing. In fact I find it hard to believe this is even happening.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      It’s interesting, they’ll be suing newspapers that mentioned LimeWire because they profited on the infringements. MAFIAA has no limits. Greed has no limits. They need to get some major slap and put back at the place they should be.

  • Thomas van Amerongen

    Maybe the judge should make an example out of him.

  • Acheron

    Sadly justice will NEVER be done upon these rich bastards. They will ALWAYS get their way. It’s a little pessimistic, but unfortunately its the reality of corporate america.

  • H.T

    How did CNET profit from this, the limewire download on their site was free!!!

    • Thomas van Amerongen

      Commercial Advertisements on the website?

      • Ok

        premium version, with higher speed and virus protection!

      • Anonymous

        So ads for keeping your website alive count as profiting from possible infringement the second you have something on your website that could be used to download copyrighted files? lol.

        That’s like a website that has info, exposing bad things that the government does, suddenly being labeled as a terrorist cell if they make money from their website with ads or donations.

        Oh wait… That almost sounds like the same twisted reasoning they try to use on Wikileaks.

    • http://twitter.com/david_boulton David Boulton

      I’ve seen a lot of crap advertised on websites, some of which might have questionable legality. Do we blame the website displaying the ads, or companies behind the ads?

      I’m not big on free market idealogies, but I would say the prior is like shooting the messenger. (Though it just so happens that in the free market the messengers have become richer than their employers)

      • Razza

        If you aren’t big on the free market, what’s your alternative?

    • desbest

      They also made their own Software review VIDEOS where CNET staff encouraged others to use Limewire to download pirated music.

  • I am a sausage not a hotdog

    You’re forgetting Sumner Redstone owner of viacom cbs mtv vh1 paramount and a number of other names.Ah the greatness of Miami Florida 2 live crew member uncle luke is a soon to be mayor of miami HOPEFULLY!!Great job Alki he’s a one of a kind billionaire who is so down to earth he deserves our blessings!!!Bringing in artist in a lawsuit makes the industry CRUMBLE. :)
    Sinister laugh(hahahaha)!!!

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Now just hang on a wee minute here.
    “Last month CNET’s Download.com and parent company CBS were sued for several copyright infringement related offenses for their role in distributing LimeWire and other P2P software.”

    So this Alki creature is suing a site for allowing people to d/l software that’s perfectly lawful. What an outright dummy.

    These guys have way more money than sense, and this stupid freaking war has to stop. The copywrong cartel are now suing the crap out of each other, whilst the MAFIAA sit back and sip their champagne breakfast laughing at the chaos they’ve caused – simply by putting money in the pockets of US politicians who have no morals, no idea who they truly represent in an elected democracy and no place to turn when we know they caused this shit.

    It’s no coincidence that someone in Scotland who’s absolutely smashed out their brains (cf Rab C Nesbitt) most of the time on booze and talks utter guff is known in Scotland as an Alky. So if this demented asswipe loses a fortune in legal fees trying to sue for the un-sueable I guess that’ll be known as an Alki-David in future.

    • Grumpygit

      As has been mentioned in a reply above, this is a revenge thing.

      http://www.filmon.com/cbsyousuck/

      watch the video, he explains more.

    • I am a sausage not a hotdog

      No read Rob alki is suing the same people that are suing people he is basically giving the major riaa i mean the major recording companies a taste of their own medicine.But this time he is bringing actual artist because they are not getting paid by the riaa(major labels). ;)
      Now cnet/download.com is owned by sumner redstone the Warner bitch and basically all the major labels.See that’s the scheme they have hidden and have been using against people.This is a video from youtube that gives you a little insight of their schemes.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ikm2aTRSlA&feature=mh_lolz&list=PL7D3E7A919266CA94

      • Anonymous

        Alki David is putting the record LABELS on the stand! He’s suing the world’s largest media company CBS/Viacom ( It’s one big Company). He is putting up millions so that little rights holders can sue a leading member of the MPAA, Sumner Redstone!

        Why are so many here supporting CBS? One of only 6 MPAA Members through it’s Paramount Pictures Division?

  • Youko

    what does “[sic] ” mean? I don’t think anyone got sick in the article so why is it in there? Should I start writing and post “dump” when I leave to go take a shit then return?

    • Grumpygit

      ROFLMAO thanks best comment ever xD

    • Anonymous

      For a more proper reply, look at this: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-does-sic-mean/
      Apparently its an editing term.

    • Sakura

      Excellent. Just plain awesome. I laughed 5 minutes. You made my [otherwise boring] day <3

  • Ven

    This seems a bit of a stretch for a TF article. Yes, he was CEO of CNET (a software review and download site) while he was on the board at Warner. If Limewire was being downloaded legally from his company’s download site, while his other company was suing Limewire for infringement, what is the issue?

    CNET could have been held liable if he had decided to pull Limewire before the court ruling due to his position at Warner. That would have been ammo that Limewire could have used to try and get Bonnie fired or the case thrown out.

    It’s a case of two separate jobs being done separately. It was financially sound for Warner to take on Limewire, and it was financially wise for CNET to leave Limewire up until the courts ruled on it. It’s Bonnie’s job to turn profit with both of these companies, is it not?

    And the article entirely fails to show how any of this places piracy money in his pockets. Limewire was legally downloaded by CNET users. After the ruling it was removed from CNET.

    In this case I believe that Bonnie actually did the professionally sound thing. It would have been abusive of him to remove Limewire before the ruling.

    • Whatever

      “And the article entirely fails to show how any of this places piracy money in his pockets.”

      Why would the article need to show anything ?

      Even in actual courts the MAFIAA NEVER needs to show ANY proof of ANY claims they make. Like “Site is profiting billions from piracy by linking, to sites which link (repeated this step), to torrents that may gives access to pirated materials”.

      (I think it was more a sort of sarcasm in the article)

      • Ven

        “Why would the article need to show anything ?”

        Because TF wants to be taken seriously as a news outlet.

  • Anonymous

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    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

      Spam off!

  • Noone

    I know this has been mentioned before kind of BUT don’t all the MEDIA corporations own many subsidiaries so indirectly make money from piracy anyway?

    i.e. Sony (& others) Blank DVD’s, I mean come on there willing to turn a blind eye to the MILLIONS of blanks being sold when any reasonable person should know that (without piracy) no one would need 100′s of CD’s/DVD’s a year.

    Then we go a step further & I’m pretty sure they also probably invest/have shares in Tech companies that make hard drives etc.

    So one (or 2) Directors/CEO’s have been found out finally. I’m 99% confident that with a little digging connections could be made from many subsidiary companies (& websites too) to many of the BIG MEDIA companies.

    At the end of the day their making money from one source or another but are still not satisfied. As one revenue stream slows down another speeds up but the fat cats want em all going as fast as possible & will milk the dying ones until they are dry & so the cycle will continue.

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  • http://twitter.com/saltyjohnson Zach Fichtler

    The man has two girl names. He has to get back at the world SOMEHOW.

    • Whatever

      The picture already performed that task. :-)

  • Wallyspm

    This is the plot to The Adventures of Ford Fairlane…..jeesh

  • Brandon-is-a-spass

    I think in reality, the directors and CEOs don’t really give a flying fuck about who downloads their music as long as they get paid and puts on a face that shows they’re doing something for the musicians and combatting piracy.

  • MD3

    Go sue GOOGLE for indexing sites who offered Limewire for download then!

    Ha!

    • Grumpygit

      It’s not about suing simply for offering limewire downloads.

      It’s the hypocrisy…….Pirates must be stopped, their evil terrorist supporting scum, their destroying our industry, blah blah blah.

      At the same time they offered limewire (among other software) and basically encouraged copyright infringement via screenshots showing “illegal content” and video reviews of the same nature. They even comment on the illegality of what their showing you how to do, but kinda laugh it off.

      watch http://www.filmon.com/cbsyousuck/

      watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ikm2aTRSlA&feature=mh_lolz&list=PL7D3E7A919266CA94

      I emailed Ernesto about this a while back, although its not really torrent related, I was sure that most readers (with the obvious exceptions) would have been behind this since alki is going after the guys that want to destroy us filesharers……why is that such a bad thing?????

      • I am a sausage not a hotdog

        I’ve also emailed Ernesto on numerous occasions and was ignored don’t feel bad. It seems that torrentfreak only wants to show what they want to show.

        • Grumpygit

          I don’t want to make you feel bad…….but I wasn’t ignored, I got a reply. xD

          This article is missing a lot of info (info which TF probably knows) and without it, it seems like alki is yet another copyright troll trying to cash in, which some of us know is not the case.

          Come on TF how about giving your readers the full story instead of fragments?

        • I am a sausage not a hotdog

          @grumpygit no he’s not you posted 2 videos actually listen to what you posted and what they are saying.Suing the people that has caused damage to so many people.He is fighting back for the artist.
          cnet/download.com is owned by by sumner redstone who owns viacom cbs/paramount pictures etc etc etc.it’s entrapment basically they are gearing people to download programs from their website encouraging it then going back and suing people and profiting from it.
          I remember Alki being on justin.tv and making prank calls he’s without a doubt the most down to earth billionaire i have ever seen EVER!!Alo i can’t forget watching on his website telling chicks to get naked lol.
          I know it’s hard to figure the good guys from the bad but trust me on this he is for the artist and the people.And your right torrent freak needs to get the story straight.

        • Grumpygit

          I think you got me wrong……..I ain’t saying alki is a copyright troll.

          If you actually read my post again (slowly if it helps) you will see that we both agree this is a good fight.

          FYI. you can still see alki (and the lovely Jen) occasionally on http://www.battlecam.com/alkidavid he does like his prank calls xD

        • I am a sausage not a hotdog

          @Grumpygit sorry bout that simple misunderstanding..Well atleast we both agree on that so disregard what i typed there.

  • Anonymous

    How can we be to blame for the most primal need in our DNA, reproduction of information?

  • Woo

    it makes no difference what the entertainment/copyright industries or their employees, regardless of rank and position, do, they will get away with it. it is a clear case of ‘don’t do what i do, do what i tell you’ with the added extra of money talking louder than words!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    would love to see this dogcocksucker Warner Music director Shelby Bonnie get a good fine just like the ones warner loves to give out to grandma

  • Whatever

    No neojackstyle comments ?

    I guess there wouldn’t be anything to say for him to side with the MAFIAA. Whatever comment he could think off would end in a loss of argument be it for or against this CEO.

    The only thing he would be able to comment is something vague like “a CEO isn’t going to track every file…. and so on”. But now he can’t unless pirating this comment

    (Well, there is such an argument at Ven above which clears the CEO of any wrong doing. And it is so logical because in the US people need more than one job to survive and provide for their family. He couldn’t get by with just one of those jobs).

    • Grumpygit

      “”The only thing he would be able to comment is something vague like “a CEO isn’t going to track every file…. and so on”"”

      That wouldn’t even work, nobody could expect them to track every file……but the one they claim caused huge financial harm…….they sure as hell knew it was largely distributed by “one of their own”

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    Incredible. This should be international news, but you can bet the mainstream media will ignore it. Gah!

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    Hello I read your post on a web page name http://www.upall.org …. very careful with this site

    because steals original content from web pages

    greetings

  • Lolwut

    After CNET turned their back on freeware applications and games (I had several games posted on there), I haven’t visited the site since (and not even on purpose).

    Totally don’t care what happens to them. Greedy bastards.

  • Lolwut

    After CNET turned their back on freeware applications and games (I had several games posted on there), I haven’t visited the site since (and not even on purpose).

    Totally don’t care what happens to them. Greedy bastards.

  • http://www.facebook.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

    It seems like torrentfreak will get sued soon… Revealing “pirate site names”, making money thanks to copyright infringement (indirectly). Who knows!

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  • Digiguy1

    Agreed since Cnet turned there back on freeware I also haven’t been back.
    http://digitalmusichelper.blogspot.com/

  • I am a sausage not a hotdog

    I found softpedia to be a good site.It has linux stuff too ;)

  • I am a sausage not a hotdog

    I found softpedia to be a good site.It has linux stuff too ;)

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  • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

    Good find, clever article
    What an unbelievable situation. The anti-piracy are making money from both ends; by profiting from the piracy while it runs and by suing them afterwards.

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