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What.CD BitTorrent Tracker Breaks A Million Torrents

What.CD is not your ordinary BitTorrent tracker. The three year old site is most of all a community of audiophiles and music fanatics, and one that has built one of the largest music catalogues that ever existed. Today, What.CD saw the upload of its millionth torrent, an absolute record for a private BitTorrent tracker. TorrentFreak discusses this milestone with the site’s founder, who is far from done.

what.cdWhat.CD was founded in the fall of 2007, just days after the largest music tracker at the time, OiNK, was raided by the UK police.

“I felt sick to my stomach all morning,” was how What.CD co-founder ‘WhatMan’ described his reaction on hearing the news. “We plan to grow into a large tracker – probably not as large as OiNK, and not as open, but eventually I would like to support at least a hundred thousand users,” he added.

And so it happened. What.CD was founded and thousands of OiNK refugees soon started to populate the site with tens of thousands of torrents. In the three years that followed, What.CD outgrew its predecessor by a wide margin, which went beyond the expectations of the site’s founders.

“The original plan for What.CD was to be a worthy replacement for OiNK,” WhatMan told TorrentFreak today. “When I was on OiNK, I thought it was perfect – I figured that the community, content, and quality were unbeatable. What.CD was originally a place for OiNK refugees to hide out, and I dreamed of the site one day hosting as much content as OiNK did.”

This dream came true, and today What.CD celebrated the 1 millionth uploaded torrent, a mind boggling number especially for a private BitTorrent tracker. However, the uniqueness of this collection doesn’t just exist in impressive numbers, but in the variety and completeness of the catalogue.

“Nowadays, What.CD tracks over four times as much content as OiNK did at its peak. I’m fairly certain that it’s the largest collection of free music on the internet, and the community helps to keep the content plentiful, of high quality, and exquisitely organized,” WhatMan told us, adding: “If you’re looking for a specific master of an album in a specific format, I would be very surprised if you can’t find it extremely easily on What.CD.”

The site’s userbase is quite different from that of the average BitTorrent tracker, the co-founder told us. What.CD users are audiophiles and music lovers, with musical tastes that are quite distinct from the most downloaded tracks on the majority of BitTorrent sites.

“The What.CD community isn’t a bunch of stereotypical casual pirates who download top 40 songs to put on their ipods. What.CD is comprised mainly of music fanatics – those who really care about their music and its quality – ie. those who think of music not as entertainment, but as art.”

“There aren’t many places for these people to go – legitimate download stores don’t offer our level of quality, and CDs are prohibitively expensive for most audiophiles to build a satisfyingly large collection. So they end up here, and form the backbone of our community.”

what.cd statsIn the last three years, What.CD has not only built a million torrent music collection, but the team has also created their own tracker frontend and recently launched its own tracker software. Looking back, WhatMan is proud of what he and his team have accomplished.

“It gives me great pleasure to see other trackers running on our code. By releasing the Gazelle frontend and the Ocelot tracker, our goal was to make it easier for admins to run large sites and for users to download content. When I see the number of successful Gazelle sites, I know that we’ve at least partially succeeded.”

Like any other popular tracker, public or private, What.CD also runs into legal issues with copyright holders. The site has had to relocate to new hosting services due to music industry complaints, and more recently the IFPI has been trying to deprive the site of its income by cutting off the tracker’s donation processing services.

“We do occasionally have legal issues. Our main problem lately has been with donation processing services – every time we get a new method of accepting donations, the IFPI is very fast to send threatening emails to the service and cut off our revenue stream. It’s very difficult to find a payment processing service which will offer us the privacy and protection we need.”

The What.CD team understands that is is impossible for the site is to fly under the radar, which it never did. However, they are confident that these issues can be dealt with and that they can focus on improving the functionality of the site to keep the community and site thriving.

“Needless to say, we plan on continuing to survive – we’ve worked too long and too hard to lose the site now. I’d also like the site to expand to contain music from non-English speaking cultures, and become a haven for audiophiles from all corners of the globe,” WhatMan told TorrentFreak.

What.CD, it seems, is here to stay.

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  • lets dont talk about it

    Dont tell ….

  • marigolds

    what.cd.co.uk, bro.

  • Anonymous

    @1 It’s a fairly exclusive site, so a link wouldn’t really benefit most readers.

  • afrowolf

    Congrats to what.cd on breaking a million torrents! :)

  • Anonymous

    any way i can get an invite? i thought i was going to be automatically invited since i had been with oink for 2 years

  • Tuxie

    Congratulations to the megatorrent milestone, What.CD! May you live a long and healthy life.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been trying to get an invite forever!

    rouafw@gmail.com please!

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  • What.cd User

    So glad to be a part of this wonderful and diverse community. I never thought that any tracker was ever going to be as comprehensive as Oink but what.cd exceeded my expectations (1 million torrents WTF) and proves once again that if you cut a head off the bittorrent hydra, a bigger one is just going to grow back.

  • oldWhite

    It’s nice to hear some cheery news for once with the recent events concerning p2p…

    sigh…drama…

    Regardless, mad props to what.cd

  • pedro

    please someone can send me an invite

    Pedro842155@hotmail.com

    Thanks
    and merry Christmas

  • Really?

    @5 Really? You were with OiNk for 2 years and in the past 3 years you’ve been completely unable to secure an invite to What?

  • max2o

    I’ve got a couple of invites. Leave your email, but also *PROOF* of ratio on another tracker and I’ll get back to you.

    Don’t bother if you don’t have proof or if you aren’t trustworthy.

  • Anonymous

    @12

    I’ll bite.

    Email: forumreg@worldofmi.com
    Proof: http://imgur.com/ojH56.jpg (TL and BitGamer)

  • joe

    anybody offering invites on a public forum, such as this, will be banned from what.

  • wandering_bear

    Hmm. I know there have been posts about what before. (Don’t remember a link though)

    You strive to protect your sources within The Scene. Why not do the same for this.

    No news is good news in the torrent world. Stop bringing more attention to what!

    Unless something catastrophic happens, reporting the site’s news should be frowned upon. Anyone has a what account will see the news there. Anyone who doesn’t have a what account.. shouldn’t be viewing the site’s news.

    Have you talked to what admins about these sort of posts?

  • Cujo

    congrats what.cd :D

    those who want invites ,, earn it lol

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4555923_whatcd-bittorrent-account-knowing-anyone.html

  • Lex

    @12 – I’ll bite too.
    http://imgur.com/yYYiP.png – IPtorrents

    freakychessplayer-at-gmail – thanks in advance.

  • Tx/Rx

    What Cujo (#16) said. That is THE way to get an invite if you don’t know anybody who is already a member.

    @max2o You risk losing your own account if you send invites to strangers on forums, especially public forums.

  • Kwork

    What.cd. The biggest joke. Nobody can get invites, no open sign-ups. What a total scam. It’s the biggest mass halucination in the peer to peer world. I haven’t seen honest proof to the contrary. No, I’m not bitter. I’m just thoroughly unconvinced of its legitimacy.

  • Toby
  • lols

    @19 lol invites are plentiful

  • A What.CD Interviewer

    Oh, you guys are so silly.

    We’ll find you if you give out invites through these public forums <3

    #19, your first step to combatting ignorance is using google. You'll find that there's a fantastic way to join.

  • anhisr

    Sorry to let you down Kwork. It is legitimate. They are just strict on letting people in. Even when you get in, it is hard to get invites to hand out.

  • SomebodyX

    Can i also haz an invitation ?

    nothinghere@o2.pl

    I have a 100Mbit full duplex dedicated shell with rtorrent/rutorrent/deluge installed, and my ratios almost always exceed 10.0.

    Here is a proof:
    http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6312/seedratioproof1.png

    BTW,
    I _WILL_NOT_ use this email to register on what.cd, so the admins will not be able to trace if i received invite here.

  • Anonymous

    @15 wandering bear.. this was in interview with whatman & tf. They didn’t take this from the what website fool. And trust me most everyone knows about the what website anyway.

  • FUCK OINK WHATEVER

    What.cd’s tracker system is completely fucked. Try going through the process of purchasing the cd, ripping it to thier stringent standards, and actually getting something out of it. If someone else hasnt already done so first then the first person who leeches it off you will be some seedbox who will then steal your upload credit as soon as the torrent starts to grow.

    Complain and they ban you from the forums. You want to know why they have freeleech? The same reason congress prints money, the system is broken.

  • THE WALL IS RED

    @19 137,000+ people will disagree with you.

  • SomebodyX

    Correction:

    …unless the invitation code is only sent to email, and cannot be printed out first.
    I hope that is not the case.

  • drizzl024

    @15 wandering bear.. This was in interview with whatman “the site admin” & tf. They didn’t take this from the what website. And trust me most everyone knows about the what website anyway.

  • Kwork

    @27, “THE WALL IS RED”:

    The numbers are why I used the term “mass halucination.” I was aware of them.

    Thank you to all the rest for your answers and comments. Any other comments will be appreciated, rude ones being unceremoneously ignored.

  • Anonymous

    i jumped thru the hoops in irc to get a what account. tbh complete waste of time, elitist fucktard tracker that thinks it’s special, everything there is available elsewhere[eventually]. do yourself a favour, don’t bother. if you really want in then get in their irc, answer all the dumb questions successfully (easy when you get the link they want you to learn) and bang, ur in… and dissappointed, what aint no oink

  • mooooo

    @26 FUCK OINK WHATEVER

    I’m a couple of GBs away from Elite class on 12kB/s upload connection. My suggestion: stop bitching and learn to use the internet. And there haven’t been a sitewide freeleech in forever.

  • Anonymous

    #30

    I think the existence of this article should be enough “proof”.

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  • anhisr

    #26, When you upload something you are only guaranteed a 1 ratio out of it. That goes no matter what tracker you are on. I have a 3.07 right now on what, just using my home system. You don’t need a seed box to survive at What.

  • Hom3r

    Private trackers are such bull, it’s funny to see how many people fall for it.

  • Gargamel

    @homer-your an idiot. Stay on the Piratebay where you belong. No one will miss you.
    -

    Anyway as for What its a nice site, but i’m on both What and Waffles and quite honestly i like Waffles alot more. MUCH easier to seed back to and you get bonus points for downloading that you can give yourself FL with etc.

    Its so hard to seed back on What that no one downloads hardly anything anyway.

  • IFPI

    Dear What.CD

    Can we please get an invite?

  • Ettore

    Getting an invite is easy if you’re not incompetent and have a few hours to hang out in an IRC channel. I got mine when I was at work a few months ago passing a pretty simple test to get in (simple knowledge one gains if they have even the most rudimentary knowledge of audio compression and ripping).

  • me

    my what account i guard closely as it’s the account i value most. i never use public sites. ever. and yes, what.cd is the absolute best source for music on the web. i haven’t been utterly impressed by a site until i stumbled upon what. i thank all you who make the site possible and i hope to god you guys keep up the good work. happy holidays!

  • Kramer

    Ernesto,

    Get your facts straight. While what.cd and its millionth torrent is cool and all, it’s by no means the last private tracker on the net that can brake this record.

    This biggest russian tracker has almost 8M users (11M seeds) and the torrent counter currently is stuck on 967K.

    Can we expect you to cover their story of soon-to-be break of a million torrents or do you only cover those who you ‘get’ motivated to cover (not the first article about what.cd).

  • Anonymous

    My friend invited me to that place and I never downloaded on byte because I found a large majorities are bunch of arrogant elite assholes. I hope they get shut down just like OINK for their arrogance.

    I posted in their forum and mentioned purchasing something and an idiot kid got mad at me as if it’s some righteous shit to pirate without ever paying an artist.

  • DVDRiP.DivX

    @40 obvious troll is obvious

  • dn

    Erm… if pedophile molest children, what do audiophiles do to audio?

  • Former Insider

    What.CD is a decent site, I wandered away from it in part because of the banning of Azureus/Vuze plus I was able to get the invididual tracks I’m interested in via Usenet rather than torrenting albums. One thing I do miss is the good selection of apps which a lot of people don’t know about.

    So if you don’t do newsgroups I’d recommend getting in. However don’t beg for invites in public, it’s pointless.

  • meh

    @Kwork

    lol pls, you stupid bitter!

    i love what.cd, i use it for all my music and have done for many years now. oink was great, what.cd is godlike

  • what..turd.burglars

    @40 : Right on, there’s no need to subject oneself to internet drama by a bunch of idiot kids. Google “Flac whatever you want”, and you’re bound to find something.

    @41 : obvious retard is obvious

    @42 : audiophiles listen to audio like it’s meant to be listened to, untainted by lossy compression schemes. You want to talk about molestation, well just remember that whatever mp3 file you listen to next is essentially crap and has been lowpassed.

  • thomas

    a lot of haters here, what.cd is the shit if you’re a big fan of music , not an elite tracker , just a tracker for MUSIC FANS

    just a reminder for people asking or offering invites here…

    “Please note that the selling, trading or public giving away of our invitations is strictly forbidden, and will result in you and your entire invite tree being banned. This includes offering to give away our invitations on any forum which is not a class-restricted forum on another private tracker.”

    just take the interview process to get into this wonderful tracker

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4555923_whatcd-bittorrent-account-knowing-anyone.html

  • WhataJoke.cd

    Site is complete garbage anyway.

    All the What.CD members that troll around and act like they are some sort of “elite” group are just retarded.

    Everybody knows all music from decent artists WILL get leaked to Demonoid or a Newsgroup / Private forum.

  • Anonymous

    Once you are a member of what.cd…

    You will notice that the rules and bonus system help the community rip/encode and share their cd’s.
    Quality is of most importance.
    Flac/mp3 encoding is a skill that all users at what.cd must learn.
    The users are a group of music nuts.

    It’s not a perfect site !

    The layout(front end) is quite cumbersome, hard to view and discovering new music isn’t easy.

    content.

    1,000,000 torrents seems like alot. BUT For every Flac , there is also a mp3(at least 1 encode).
    So make that 500,000 torrents based on content.

    Also , lots of the content is older music that users rip from old cd’s.

    MOST new music doesn’t make it to what.cd !

    to proove a point.. how much of this is on what ?

    NEW releases ONE DAY from (.. .. .com)..22 dec 2010

    733 unique music releases in one day.. how many on what ? ?

    http://pastebin.com/EwvKad90

    What is a great site , but it is not the only account a music lover needs.

    Keep up the good work what.

    Please make discovering new music easier ?

    I don’t want to seed some piece of crap music just to maintain a ratio.
    All in the name of discovery.

  • whassholes.cd

    So, who or what gave them the right to decide who should or should not be able to download their music? Even if they take the time to rip and upload it, they don’t own the copyrights to what they upload. This kind of attitude is just pathetic. It goes against the spirit of sharing in a community. Sure, music quality improves this way, but they’re just a bunch of snobs.

  • josth

    hmm could someone please invite me as well?

    huppaker at gmail dot com

    many thanks in advance!

  • GoldenBoar

    Anything you can find on a private tracker can almost certainly be found on a public site as well.

    Challenge to private tracker fanboys:

    Name something on a private tracker that can’t be found on a public site.

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  • i7x

    I laugh at all the haters. If you really think you can find everything that’s on what somewhere else you might just not listen to a lot of music. And just FYI, What.cd has THREE times the amount of torrents Demonoid has and one third of the amount of torrents TPB offers. Yet on What.cd, 95% of it is music. Oh, and even if you do find some of the rare stuff somewhere else you will at least have to search for it for quite some time and then beg the quality is not some shitty 192 rip.

  • wat

    Congrats to What.cd, really the best private music bittorrent community out there.

    And lol at all the people trying to get invites here. If someone hands out an invite in a public forum, they get banned. So stop trying.

    Also, I don’t really mind all the bitter people who don’t care for What.cd. To each their own, some people are more suited for Demonoid…

  • CopyleftRecords

    Okay @51, I’ll bite:

    Find me “The Secret Eye of L.A.Y.L.A.H.” by Zero Kama. You must locate a Vo MP3 copy AND a FLAC copy.

    Good luck!

  • Pick

    #24
    Don’t you think they trace invitation mail addresses as well? :D

    Anyway, whoever needs an invite, go away to interview channel, no one will invite you from here.

  • GoldenBoar

    Challenged Accepted:

    I found both on BitSnoop, which was the only site I tried.

    MP3 – CF4561A6E2DE46D0F6F5945593C8168167F276D1

    FLAC – 0C5DB6835B7C76C30A58DA66BAF879310A6077CA

  • CopyleftRecords

    @56 I could be wrong, but the two copies I found on Bitsnoop have zero seeders. Are there any that I’d actually be able to download?

  • gh0st

    some of these people hating on what.cd just dont know what they are talking about. I just joined 4 days ago and already have 5 gigs uploaded, you just have to know the tricks.

    @51 must not see the steady stream of 0day releases that come out on some private trackers. And its not just all about the content itself, its the quality and speed of download as well. When you have any random person uploading to a site, you never know what your gonna get. Have fun with the malware and copyright groups snooping your ip.

  • i7x

    @57 Both torrents are indeed dead while on What.cd a V0/V2/320/FLAC (+cue/log)/AAC and Ogg Vorbis are available. All seeded.

    Oh, and the FLAC on that BitSnoop site is ripped as a single track. fail.

  • taftie12

    @56 hahahahah no seeders on those.
    nice try though ;)

    also, to people who think What.CD is full of assholes: how does this have any effect on you downloading music?

  • gh0st

    goldenboar should be the goldenN00b

  • CopyleftRecords

    @61 hey now, let’s not get personal! I was just asking him to find those two items with actual seeders. It’s nothing personal if he can’t, it just proves my point.

  • BigDeal

    I was able to find 256k and FLAC within 30 seconds. Assuming i can find the rest with a couple minutes of time. Your point is pointless. Will not provide proof because don’t feel the need to.

  • taftie12

    @63 how convenient that you don’t post proof. how many seeders on that FLAC?

  • taftie12

    also, advantages of What over public trackers or indexers:
    1) you know you won’t download malware
    2) FLAC log scoring system to ensure a perfect rip, an exact copy
    3) Artist bios and artist pages with all releases
    4) an abundance of live albums and bootlegs
    5) everything is easily searchable and everything has a good torrent description
    6) 24/96 Vinyl rips
    7) helpful (if a little elitist) community
    8) collages for best of lists, record labels, people in a number of different bands, and genre introductions
    9) Requests for stuff not on the internets yet

    must I go on? it is obvious that What is a better music resource than publics

  • John Conner’s brother

    #26 is correct

    I don’t know how they developed their code where you’re only able to reach 1:1 or less. I use a dedi gig connection for uploads, and whatcd is the only tracker where certain IP range numbers are given higher priority.
    I heard some news that they also run their own seedbox service, which has lead me to believe that they purposely allow customers to get greater bandwith over other seedbox providers.

  • GoldenBoar

    To everyone claiming that there are no seeds for those 2 torrents, that’s because they use the DHT. Both torrents do in fact have seeds.

    I found both versions in a matter of seconds, on the first site I tried.

    The FLAC version had 3 seeds, and took 49 minutes to download.

    The MP3 version had 9 seeds and took 5 minutes to download.

    For the guy complaining about the FLAC version being a single file, so what? The cue file contains the track info, and can be used to split the file into single tracks.

    Anyone else got anything that’s on a private tracker that they think I wont be able to find on a public site? I’ve played this game many times, and I’m yet to lose.

  • taftie12

    @67 find Blaze Foley’s self-titled album, I’m interested…
    also, anything in response to my post 65?

  • Flac o’holic

    GoldenBoar: Pls find me “Hannah – Sanity” 2 disc 2010 promo in FLAC on public trackers.

    Good luck! ;) What.cd ownz, nuff said!

  • what?

    how could any of you guys asking for invites not have one…i guess its lucky that i know someone with unlimited invites. :)

  • GoldenBoar

    @taftie

    I can’t even find a track list for that album with a quick search on Amazon and Google. Is that album on a private site? Can you post the track list? I’m going to need it to continue.

    The only thing I found out about that album is that it was released on vinyl before he died, and was not officially released in digital format.

    As for your questions, none of them relate to bittorrent. They are about web design. What.CD is a music site, so of course it’s layout and functionality will be better suited for music content than a general torrent site.

  • taftie12

    GoldenBoar: here you are, right on What:
    http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5403/screenshot20101223at108.png

    and while you are certainly right that my points are related to web design, if you knew all that was available to you if you would just take an IRC interview, why would you still use publics? After using What for 9 months, I can’t even imagine going back to publics.

  • GoldenBoar

    @taftie

    Cool, now I’ve got something to work with.

    I’m not much of a music fan to be honest, so a private music tracker just doesn’t interest me.

    @Flac o’holic

    Post a link to the track list.

  • taftie12

    @GoldenBoar: suppose you were a huge music fan. which would you pick, publics or What/Waffles, and why?

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  • four20

    WhataJoke.cd a bunch of arogant snot nosed brat a$$holes.

  • SnuffSaid

    an invite for yours truly, please? THANKS!

    snffsd AT gmail.com

  • taftie12

    @four20: so which is it? you can’t get in or you got banned?

  • GoldenBoar

    @taftie

    I’m going to give up on this one, after searching for about half an hour. Everything I’ve read leads me to believe that this is an extremely rare album that is pretty much impossible to find a physical copy of. If that is the case, you should probably create a public torrent, and throw it up on some pulic site as well.

    If I was a music fan, I’d try the public sites first before trying private sites. The last thing I want is some torrent site with a record of every byte I’ve uploaded for every torrent file I’ve seeded.

  • taftie12

    @GoldenBoar
    fair enough. though I’m not gonna throw it up on a public, I’m too paranoid and IPs are too easily traceable.

  • SnuffSaid

    i’m pretty sure you can’t find the new Craig’s Brother album “The Insidious Lie” on your what.cd ahah

  • inviteforumfag

    f this site (tf)

  • Robert

    I will trade a Demonoid invite for a what.cd invite.

    emperor (at) gmx (dot) com

  • EOTW

    It’s a helluva site. I got an invite when they first opened. One of the dudes messaged me on Demonoid and we spent some time talking and I got in based on my ratio. Really, that’s what they look for. Upper with great, high ratios. Good stuff there, too.

  • anon

    Seriously guys, what.cd isn’t too hard to get into IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU’RE DOING. If you don’t, just stick to public trackers or something else and I’m sure you’ll be happy. Either way, I got an invite after reading this site:

    http://www.whatinterviewprep.com/

  • elduka

    man seeing this i was hoping to check it out, but its private :(

  • WhataJoke.cd

    This whole “find this obscure artist” for me is idiocracy.

    I could name small town bands all day that would be hard to find anywhere.

    Any big name, or halfway decent artist can be found on Demonoid or a BBS. Enough said.

  • Anonymous

    #87

    Good thing everyone listens to big name and mainstream artists.

  • Anonymous

    The sad thing is I am sure there is a lot of nice stuff but one day in the the not to distant future they will go a$$ up and be raided and like oink the whole db will disappear.

    I got onto oink briefly and about a month later it was gone.

    I will be surprised if what cd survives until the end of 2011.

  • Frank Merton

    I have to say all of this strikes me as elitism and a serious violation of the ideals of a free internet, file sharing, and so on (in particular the bit about having to pass a test–what about “little old ladies” and those who speak other languages–this seems elitism at its max).

    I am a member of what might be called a semi-private site, and maintain a good upload/download ratio with it, and I get some things from public sites. That said, I have never been inclined to see all the self-righteous indignation regarding seeding ratios as anything more than people liking to think themselves morally better than others.

    So what if I choose to really share and others don’t? Isn’t the essence of generosity the act of giving without expectation of return?

    I guess if you want the very latest hits (surely illegal), a private source might be wise, but I don’t think they would be all that private from determined watchers.

    The only real worry I have about public sites–that which keeps me from downloading executable files–seems to me to be just as dangerous in a private site.

  • santa

    What is great, compared to IPTorrents where all the admins are up themselves. On what you can talk about other trackers and the staff wont ban you, they are also very understanding if you go away then come back, i had my account disabled as i was too busy to use my account, what reactivated it.

    It really is an awesome resource, had all the classical stuff i needed, only thing thats missing is jpop

  • what “elite” user

    What exists. The users are a very friendly bunch, and will go out of their way to help people find music. They are not snobs or elitist pricks (they belong in the scene, and they have every right to be snobs and elitist since they are the ones that risk arrest, unlike joe-torrent).

    the reason what.cd is private is to ensure quality. People care about the music on there. They don’t want 192kbps transcodes ripped as one track for a whole album. They want flac with an EAC 100% log so they can reproduce the original CD bit for bit if they want to. Elistist? No.

    Truth be told, if you DONT know the difference between an mp3 and a flac, or lossy and lossless, then you would ruin the what experience for others who give a shit. If you DO know the difference, that’s almost all you need to know to pass an invite.

    To each there own. For me, my own is what.

  • taftie12

    @Frank Merton
    The only reason this site is so successful is because it’s private. If you work for one hour, you can have access to the largest, most well-organized collection of free music on the internet for the foreseeable future. And misbehavior (i.e. ratio cheating, uploading malware) is curbed by the fact that if you are caught, you are warned and possibly banned. You can’t just create another account like at Demonoid. The purpose of the private site is to ensure quality and to make people value their account as a privilege, not a right.

  • i7x

    83, i hope you are kidding. Once Power User on What.cd you’ll get access to invites for almost every respected private tracker.

    Also, giving out invites on here will get your ass ban-hammered so beware.

  • Frank Merton

    No one wants to be thought of as being an elitist, and I am sure the site is useful and perhaps provides something not found elsewhere. These points, however, are not relevant.

    I am sure I could pass their test. This too is not relevant; I doubt my mother could, and is it fair that for this reason she is kept out? There are many who appreciate good music but are electronically incompetent. It would be kinda like my mom refusing to give her vegetables (she is an avid gardener and constantly gives away veggies) to anyone who fails to show that they know about tomato varieties.

    It remains uncontested that the site keeps people out. This is elitist. Yes, in an open environment you have to protect yourself, you have to put up with inconveniences, and so on, but it is open—open for all. This outweighs the occasional dumb post that makes you wince. I just happen to think that this is what the internet should be about.

    Besides, if you depend on the kind of policing that uses a warning system to protect yourself from malware, you are asking for trouble.

  • i7x

    95) I am sure that if you actually post malware you won’t be warned but banned into oblivion. I am not sure however because it never happens. Why does it never happen? Because we exclude people like you said. You might see it as a problem but the hard fact here is that What.CD IS the biggest music private tracker the internet has ever seen. This would never be possible by taking away all the requirements the site has. If you don’t like it it’s not a problem. There are lots of sites your mom could actually join. The only difference is that they will never become as big as this one.

  • i7x

    *obvious typo in the first two sentences nevermind that. lulz*

  • stinkpipe(smelly..but absolutely essential)

    what cd are a bunch of sophisticated stuck up snobs knowitall plonkers. ……so am i, im off to join the buggers. what’s a flac anyway. and WGhat is TThatg smell?

  • Lolluby

    @95

    The thing is the site doesn’t keep anyone out. Everyone has a fair shot at getting a invite through the IRC invite channel, and there is even a guide to study from before the test.

    http://whatinterviewprep.webs.com/

  • soully

    Haters gonna hate

  • A What.CD Interviewer

    #95

    This is a better analogy: Your mom has what the entire city considers to be the greatest garden in the world. Everyone and their family wants those tomatoes. It’s not any ordinary garden, but a garden where everyone has the opportunity to plant their own fruits and vegetables. Your mom only wants to let 20 people in because she can’t possibly supervise more than that without total anarchy in her backyard.

    How does she do that? She makes sure that of the 100 people who want her tomatoes, she only takes the 20 people who seem like they’ll be the… cream of the crop, shall we say? Har har har har har.

    We can’t take everyone or we’d become just another public tracker. These sites serve their purpose and we don’t hate them. But we want something different. Studying the material shows that you really want to be there and that once there you’ll be able to contribute better than the guy who thinks that tomatoes and apples are the same thing.

  • What4Life

    I like how all the h8ers are the ones who cant get in to what yall h8ers are idiots what is by far the best tracker out their stop whining for invites people and earn one so you can stop crying

  • Random Dude

    So what.cd has a bunch of high quality rips of crap music by musicians that are awful like Blaze Foley? I’ll pass

  • anony

    what.cd has variety, quality, and organization. there’s nothing to complain about unless you can’t get in :p

  • Frank Merton

    The whole thing puts me in mind of the night spot that has a doorman choosing who can go in and who can’t. This exclusivity makes the place desirable to a certain kind of immature person.

    Of course there are advantages, especially to the owners, but there are also disadvantages. To me the biggest disadvantage is the knowledge that I am getting something others cannot. I guess some people enjoy that idea.

    I must say it seems ironic to me that people who insist on their freedom to share copyrighted files (and mind you I think the copyright laws do vastly more harm than good in keeping people from using copyrighted ideas in new creations) feel it is okay to prevent others from similar access. The word hypocrite does seem to come to mind.

  • Frank Merton

    To #101

    I am a bit overwhelmed by your revision to my motherly analogy. I don’t think the open sharing sites have much of the sort of problem you envision for my mother’s back yard.

  • Frank Merton

    To #’s 102 and 104

    I don’t know to what extent, if any, you aim your respective remarks at me, but let me assure you people do sometimes object to things in principle and not just out of sour grapes.

  • Frank Merton

    To #96

    What you say testifies to a dangerous naivete; I am sure you say if in the heat of argument and don’t really think the privacy of the site gives you much protection. I can think of all sorts of ways one could hide malware, and even get around a ban.

    That the site seems to be mostly music and not executables is the real protection, but that applies to private sites too. Just be damn sure you know what you are doing before you execute an “.exe” or similar file that says it’s music.

  • Frank Merton

    To #99

    What you say is just on its face not true. It keeps all sorts of people out—people who don’t know about it, people who are computer or recording or electronic incompetents, people who aren’t good in English, people who don’t have the equipment or can’t afford (on metered service) to maintain strong uploads, people who might want to download only rarely, and so on.

    We all have an unfortunate tendency to see the world only through our personal perspective.

  • A What.CD Interviewer

    #106

    The main point I was making is that every user can upload their own files. Look at public sites and tell me with a straight face that the quality there is the same as on private trackers. On private sites, 99% of the time you’re getting exactly what’s advertised, and the rare times when there’s an issue, the userbase will make sure it’s taken care of.

    Also, websites can be as overrun as any physical space. They need manpower to manage and supervise just as much as any other service.

  • Frank Merton

    #110

    I will admit that if I were running a public site, I would demand that standard file formats be used. I would also probably require the use of a standardized form for each category of download describing the files, so down-loaders can readily see what there is.

    However, I think you overstate matters. It is pretty easy to discern junk by looking for hype and checking the file size and various other clues (especially other user remarks). Besides, when I occasionally download some junk, it is easy enough to delete it, so all I have is a little wasted bandwidth.

    Quality is a more difficult issue, especially for serious classical music, and I have often regretted downloading lossy files of this sort. Still, just avoiding the mp3 temptation seems to be pretty much enough. I can’t recall having a quality issue with lossless downloads.

    Availability is I think the real issue. Many times I have wanted a file that exists but is dead. Other times I have looked for things a bit obscure, or perhaps less than popular, or of a limited ethnic nature, and can find no torrents. I am not sure the private approach works better. At best it will only improve your odds a little.

    Ideally some deep pocket somewhere will see this need.

    You say that public servers have capacity problems. Except when there is a denial-of-service attack, I have never seen any such thing, and can readily imagine approaches far less drastic than going private.

  • A What.CD Interviewer

    On a private site, bandwidth is precious and wasting it is unacceptable. Requiring ratios is unfortunate but one of the ways we make sure people seed long-term. This also addresses the fact that many torrents will have seeders.

    You can’t reliably judge bitrate by the filesize without having the exact files to compare. Why try to do that when you can guarantee a userbase that tends to get it right the first time?

  • whatdotcdfan

    Congrats what. This site is what others are not in the sense that you dont have to deal with bullchips when looking for something. You type it in, you get 2-5 differnt forms of the album you want including later releases, releases in differnt countries. Its plainly stated and easy to find exactly what you want, which isn’t true for any public tracker I have ever been on. This site is about music for music fans.

    Your mom can’t get on it because she probably is still on aol

  • Frank Merton

    “Your mom can’t get on it because she probably is still on aol.”

    Thanks for proving my point: arrogant, elitist and selfish. That’s okay if that is the sort of person you want to be and if that is the sort of internet you want.

    Of course, others following the same sort of agenda may soon have all file sharing shut down.

  • whatdotcdfan

    how is that proving your point? my mom is on aol. she would never be able to torrent.

    being on a private site and being able to offer a ratio to others to go out and find cds/12″ ect for bounties could never happen on a public tracker. people aren’t going to work if their is no cake in the end.

    you pretend only people on what benefit from what, and that is entirely inaccurate.

    the elitist are providing not just for themselves but most if not all of the public trackers.

    elitist defiantly. its a privilege, not a right.

  • Ricardo

    private trackers admins can all suck my dick.

  • Anonymous

    I dunno ’bout private tracker admins but yemd from waffles can sure suck my dick. That guy seriously

    needs to get a personality, learn some people skills, stop being such a rude obnoxious jerk, and learn

    some god-damn manners instead of talking down to people all the time like they’re pieces of shit.

    What a jumped-up, self-important, sad little man he is. It’s idiots like him that give private trackers a bad

    name with their clear abuse of power… banning people for the slightest thing just because they can. I feel

    sorry for the admins at waffles… because they’re actually real cool guys… reasonable and fair, but that

    yemd idiot just always shows them up and makes them look bad day after day with his bad attitude, poor

    judgement, and serious lack of respect for his fellow man. Ultimately, it reflects on the admins of sites

    when they have bad mods on their staffing team.

    The best thing that ever happened to waffles was yemd being dropped from staff! but it’s just kinda

    unfortunate that he still likes to parade around the forums acting all important… pretending to be on the

    staff team… spreading his resentment and hate, and generally just being a smart-ass dick.

    Fuck you yemd you inbred little wanker! your nothing but a silly little boy! and by far the biggest asshole

    on waffles! If you could really see the way people see you then I doubt you’d act like you do. Everyone I

    know on waffles hates you dude!

    Your nothing but a moaning old woman… stuck on replay saying the same old shit, repeating the same old

    lines day after day ‘yawn’

    The current mods on waffles do a good job tho, firm but fair… and have respect for their fellow man!

    Which is a good thing to see! I hope you guys can continue to move forward with all the good work you

    do… gaining even more respect along the way!

    ————————————————————————————

    As far as what.cd goes, it’s gotta be the best private tracker on the net… ever! what.cd has a good balance

    of having a huge catalog of all types of music (including the rarest of shit) and at the best of quality; as

    well as having admins and mods that all seem to have a good temperament to carry out their roles on the

    site without being self-important rude assholes. Which ultimately sets the standard, and injects a good

    vibe into the good community the site has become!

  • mmmbud

    for the people asking for invites get on irc and take the test!

  • Not Telling

    Wow lol no public trackers are remotely as good for music as what.cd is. Like fuck you will find FLAC rips including proof logs, cue sheets and then the many other supported formats (in my case, especially AAC and Ogg).

    What.cd is top notch, glad to be a 2 year member.

  • Anonymous

    @117

    Everything you say about yemd is true, that dumb clown don’t know when to shut up.
    He’s an embarrassment to himself and to the whole of waffles.
    If I was waffles admins I sure as hell wouldn’t want that corrupt moron representing me.

    No wonder his GF dumped the baldy bastard… i mean… lets face it, there’s not much going on in that little brain of his, is there lol.

    All that moaning, lack of personality, and sheer rude arrogance is enough to put any woman off lol.

    The jerk seriously needs to lighten up!

  • shutup

    People bitching about how private trackers are “elitist” because they arent open to everyone…you just dont get it.

    What are the speeds like on those public trackers? Quality? How often are torrrents dead?

    Private trackers provide an INCENTIVE TO SEED. That is the most important thing you need to take away from this. Thats why they have to be private. The rate of death for torrents on public trackers doesnt even compare to the rate of private trackers.

    Its not elitist to want incentive to seed torrents so you can also leech torrents that are well-seeded. It is from this that the private tracker system is based. The quality and diversity of torrents is an offshoot of this.

  • Anonymous

    lol @ all the yemd hate

    He banned my friends account for asking a question on the forum that had already been asked before, even though he had donated to the site only a few days before.

    Ok, my friend should have done a forum search before asking, but c’mon, banning someone from the site for something so minor is just down right nasty. Clearly an abuse of power!

    The thread got trashed, then mysteriously disappeared from the trash a couple of hrs later.

    But yeah, the general consensus on waffles seems to be that yemd is just a self important little jerk that’s widely hated amongst the forum dwellers (i wonder why lol)

    That kid is thick as shit, and needs to learn some social skills.

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  • What.cd Sucks

    I’ve been a member of that site a few times. I usually go back when I have a few dozen tracks that I can’t find in FLAC. Basically, sign up, leech until you get banned, repeat. It’s a simple matter of changing your MAC and you’re back in. At least that’s what I read and it’s worked for me every time.

    The whole “interview” thing is ridiculous. The mods and members there are pompous assholes. On top of that it’s impossible to upload anything new because it’s already there. Someone said to go get rare stuff at yard sales and thrift stores to upload. YEAH RIGHT. You can’t seed what you’ve downloaded either because nobody downloads anything. They’re too afraid of hurting their ratio. What a joke.

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