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Who Needs LimeWire? Open Source Groovejaar’s In Town

Just as quickly as one file-sharing solution bites the dust, another steps in to take its place. In the wake of LimeWire’s demise we take a look at Groovejaar, a downloading software client which takes the only real weakness of streaming music service Grooveshark and turns it into its strength – fully downloadable high-quality MP3s in an instant.

The RIAA have been killing file-sharing services for more than a decade, but despite spending a fortune closing Napster, Grokster and LimeWire, music is even more widely available online than ever before, just from different sources.

BitTorrent aside, some file-sharers have turned to so-called YouTube-downloaders – software and services that rip music from YouTube videos and convert them to carry-anywhere MP3s. Needless to say, the recording labels don’t like these either.

Unfortunately YouTube videos carry low-bitrate audio and for many the quality just doesn’t come up to scratch, but there is another YouTube-like service that doesn’t have that problem. Grooveshark carries a huge range of high-quality user-uploaded music ready for web-based streaming. However, in common with its video-focused counterpart, Grooveshark doesn’t permit downloading of MP3s. Not as standard at least.

Enter Groovejaar, a brand new piece of open source music downloading software that essentially takes Grooveshark and turns it into LimeWire, but with super-fast downloads, great quality MP3s – and absolutely no malware.

The software itself is small at just 1.4mb and requires Java to run. A few seconds later and Groovejaar is downloaded, installed and ready to go.

As can be seen from the screenshot below, we immediately searched for music by file-sharing favorite Dan Bull, but the other feature illustrated is “Get Top Songs” which shows Grooveshark’s most-popular tracks of the day or month.

Groovejaar

Groovejaar is very easy to use and has just a few user settings to contend with. The most important initially is to set a hard drive location where music can be downloaded to. After that users can entertain themselves with different skins and an option for multiple simultaneous downloads. Users can also pull in their own playlists from external sites.

But perhaps the burning question is this – is it legal?

To discover that we should perhaps consider Grooveshark’s legal status first. Generally the RIAA has a problem with Grooveshark – they say that the service is unlicensed and the implication is that this means it’s illegal. Grooveshark disagree.

“So let’s set the record straight: there is nothing illegal about what Grooveshark offers to consumers,” said Senior VP of Information Products at Grooveshark, Paul Geller, earlier this year.

“Laws come from Congress. Licenses come from businesses,” he explained. “Grooveshark is completely legal because we comply with the laws passed by Congress, but we are not licensed by every label (yet).”

Geller noted that as long as Grooveshark is DMCA-compliant and responds appropriately to takedown requests, the service is legal under US law. In effect, Grooveshark is just like YouTube, only without the videos. Someone complains about user-uploaded content on either site, it gets taken down.

Groovejaar doesn’t carry any of its own content, it’s all carried by Grooveshark, so its creator is physically unable to comply with any takedown requests. The ‘Get Top Songs’ feature may indeed pull up a lot of unlicensed content, but those lists are maintained by Grooveshark. In this sense the Groovejaar client is ‘dumb’ and content agnostic.

Some might argue that because it provides downloads rather than streaming then somehow the legalities change. This is often a controversial point but really it shouldn’t be. Whether it’s a video ‘streamed’ from YouTube or a track ‘streamed’ from Grooveshark, it still gets downloaded to the user’s computer. The only difference is the length of time it stays there.

The situation can be summed up as follows. Watching infringing content on YouTube is comparable to doing the same on Grooveshark. It might still be illegal, but people are never sued for watching or listening to unauthorized content on YouTube and they won’t be sued for doing the same with Grooveshark or Groovejaar. Not least because they’re impossible to track legally.

If the copyright holders don’t want their stuff on either service, it is their responsibility to take it down. That’s the way it works.

Finally, for Firefox fans there is another way of downloading MP3s from Grooveshark. The Groove Shredder plugin works nicely but rather than being a stand-alone app it embeds itself in the Grooveshark website.

Groovejaar can be downloaded here and Groove Shredder here.

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  • Bla

    awesome piece of software!!! hail to the coder!

    • puddipuddi

      It is interesting and creative, I’ll give em that. But I’d still rather download an entire flac discography from a bittorent site. It’s just easier.

      • puddipuddi

        I take it back. There is so much hard to find music on here. I’ve been searching for “murphy’s law” albums for ever, only a couple of em on torrent sites…

        • Mitch1423

          Damn, your right. Time to rip some from Grooveshark and start the upload fest.

    • http://www.facebook.com/newton.antony Newton Antony

      GREAT SOFTWARE…but i wonder how many ppl download mp3 on google now
      “artists – song ” media fire
      “artist- song” hulkshare
      artist – song mp3
      artist -song rar

    • http://www.facebook.com/newton.antony Newton Antony

      GREAT SOFTWARE…but i wonder how many ppl download mp3 on google now
      “artists – song ” media fire
      “artist- song” hulkshare
      artist – song mp3
      artist -song rar

  • BillyB

    Now we getting somewhere. You in the Groove, man!

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    Ah the lulz.. I think they are now wishing they hadn’t killed Napster.

    So uh… Good luck in your war against file sharing MAFIAA =D

    • Anonymous

      I wonder if the RIAA/MPAA realize that they only fuel the hydra. Every time they sue one person for illegal downloads, they introduce 100 people to the idea of free music & movies online. hah!

      • BillyB

        They know…just no comprehendo.

        Its like the sign ‘Wet Paint: Do Not Touch’.

        Hmmm…some people just got to do it…then try to sue for new clothes, Cadillacs, whatever.

      • BillyB

        They know…just no comprehendo.

        Its like the sign ‘Wet Paint: Do Not Touch’.

        Hmmm…some people just got to do it…then try to sue for new clothes, Cadillacs, whatever.

  • https://bit.ly/r9hLxa w3ts1ut

    Great intentions, fights the trolls, forward thinking, and an awesome pirate logo —> Immediate support and love. Cheers, Groovejaar!

  • Anonymous

    Is it safe for users ? The user’s IP adresses can be identified or no ? I dont want the ICE and the others “breakfast friends” bullshits to come at my door !

    • BillyB

      “It might still be illegal, but people are never sued for watching or listening to unauthorized content on YouTube and they won’t be sued for doing the same with Grooveshark or Groovejaar. Not least because they’re impossible to track legally.”

      It’s a stream ripper…They don’t know if you captured the track…just that you listened to it. And it’s not like torrents…they can’t get your IP without a warrent.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      If you live in the UK downloading (copyrighted content) is legal.

      • rorope

        this isn’t downloading …. this is streaming

        • Guest

          Streaming is the exact same thing as downloading. Did you even read the article?

  • djnforce9

    Works well! I have normally used tubemaster++ to grab music from Grooveshark. This handy little app makes the process so much more convenient.

  • http://twitter.com/ntheknoinfo nthekno

    excellent article enigmax +1

  • Scott Garrett

    “[...] people are never sued for watching or listening to unauthorized content on YouTube [...]”

    Remember Sony?

  • Scott Garrett

    “[...] people are never sued for watching or listening to unauthorized content on YouTube [...]”

    Remember Sony?

    • BillyB

      Yeah, I think so.
      Wasn’t that the elitist company that got hacked and lost millions because of their anal retentive attitude to OS protectionism? Not dealt with them for years. Never will again after the Playstation fiasco.

    • BillyB

      Yeah, I think so.
      Wasn’t that the elitist company that got hacked and lost millions because of their anal retentive attitude to OS protectionism? Not dealt with them for years. Never will again after the Playstation fiasco.

  • Dan

    i LOVE the old school interface.

  • Dan

    i LOVE the old school interface.

  • Jaz

    Sorry to say this, but I am a supporter of Grooveshark! If you allow people to use it for downloading, as you said it in your blog, people view it differently. They see it as an illegal website rather than a promotional tool which they claim it is at the moment. Making software such as this will only make MAFIAA etc have more of an excuse to take Grooveshark to court :( I love Grooveshark, I don’t want it to go down.

    • Jaz

      P.S. I do believe that copyright is bullsh*t, I’m just saying that doing this will have bad results for Grooveshark. As this is a .mp3, not a .flv video on YouTube which makes it even more a threat to the music industry (in their eyes) :-

      • Pi

        Universal Music Group, the largest label in the world has been suing Grooveshark since Jan. 2010: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/01/08/UMGvPirate.pdf . This will likely determine the fate of the serivce, as will the Senate’s decision in September on Bill S9.78, which categorizes streaming of copyrighted content into the same felony category as downloading. Grooveshark is a great service, however it faces serious consequences for its business model which promote unfair competition due to competing with other music streaming services that actually pay the licenses. Grooveshark does pay EMI royalties, but the majority of their library is unlicensed and they make profit from it.

        YouTube is also being sued by Viacom, and won the initial round: an appeal is in process: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_International_Inc._v._YouTube,_Inc. These two cases are very similar and their results will significantly shape the future of copyright law.

    • BillyB

      But, they (MPAA) don’t know people ARE capturing, they can only ever SUSPECT it.

      Even if they have a warrent to demand Grooveshark’s IP list and are given every IP that has ever visited…they will only get a list of people who LISTENED to music, NOT people who downloaded from them.

      Grooveshark doesn’t have a download facility.

      • tb

        The problem with this is that it will result in legal action against Grooveshark (More than they are already trying to hold up against). Then no-body will be able to enjoy the fantastic service that Grooveshark offers.

        • Rororp

          bullsh*t,

          youtube doesn’t get complaints or legal action for converters, the people hosting and making them do.

          grooveshark plays no part in the process apart from doign what it already does which is stream music

  • http://twitter.com/YabbaDabbaTru YabbaDabbaTru

    no work for me

  • DuArg

    When I try to go to http://code.google.com/p/groovejaar/ to download I just get: “500. That’s an error.”

    Have Google taken it down?

    • Anonymous

      No it is still online. Try using a web proxy like fetch4.me when that may help.

      The download part can be seen in the left panel.

  • Guest

    Streaming = Downloading, but not according to the law

    There’s something wrong with that…

    • Jaz

      Yeah thanks for telling us that, we know, the more people who say this, the more chance of them banning streaming as well. Don’t think for even a minute that the USA would uplift the download law rather than streaming to the ‘nono list’

    • BillyB

      It’s in process. The lobbyists are trying to force through a new precedent.

    • BillyB

      It’s in process. The lobbyists are trying to force through a new precedent.

    • Pi

      The Senate will vote this month on Bill S9.78: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_S.978
      which categorizes streaming of copyrighted content into the same felony category as downloading.

  • Anonymous

    Sweet. More free (as in infringing) music for our laptops, phones and MP3 & MP4 players.

    Goes to show that any streamed media can be ripped and saved. At least ripping a lawful music stream falls on the lighter end of infringement.

    A nice easy search application but it does need Java.

    • BillyB

      Probably what the programmer does best, but it also maybe avoids a lot of registry entries; makes for ease of cross-platform compatibility…

      Just a guess.

      • Ale46

        You’re right.. Just for support different OS.. But also because I mainly develop in JAVA :P

  • Ou812

    It needs work. I d/led 5 songs now it quit working. When it was working it was great!

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Uhhm for some reason I have never liked Java apps. They have this very antiquated look. This particular one reminds me of linux for some reason. Plus, I doubt anything will ever be able to fill the void left by limewire. This particular app looks like it was made by a couple of people in their bedroom so +1 for all the hardwork, but from what I know you need a lot of server infrastructure to support a filesharing network with millions of users. Just look at what The Pirate Bay uses. Obviously new apps don’t accquire 10 million users overnight, but the company behind limewire had lot of infrastructure and money to allow limewire to do what it did.

    And I mean, just looking at the screenshots, this app can’t do half of what limewire could do before it closed down.

    • Joey

      limewire was garbage before it shut down. it was bloated and had un necessary options .this app is functional and has no bells and whistles holding it down. this app gets a 10 from me.

    • Getaclue

      It doesn’t need to look amazing. It does the job. As for limited search, it basically mimics the grooveshark web search so it can’t do anything fancy. Server infrastructure has nothing to do with it because groovejaar is just using the grooveshark backend.

    • Ale46

      It was made just by one people (the part about bedroom is correct). The antiquated look is because I suck developing UI. And in the end this app is not a limewire or other peer to peer replacement (and it won’t favorite piracy), is just an utility to improve the GrooveShark service. GrooveJaar don’t own servers or other things, it uses GrooveShark resources..

      • Ryzzo

        Cheers for an outstanding contribution to the online music experience! Thanx!

        • Ale46

          Nothing special.. Thumbs up also for who developed jgroove and other lib involved on the project ;)

      • Dang_Nabbit

        Nice but needs work. I got 3 apps that do it better.
        Thanx for the contribution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

        Don’t get me wrong. It’s very nice! Always been a supporter of indie developers.

        Still, the legal part is a little sketchy. I mean, obviously anyone can use this to download legal things, but the screenshot shows content that is presumably unlicensed.

        Which labels are you licensed by?

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          Never heard of the grooveshark network, but it sounds kind of like youtube. The app I guess is kind of like those download managers for one click hosters, with the except that it has built in search.

        • Jctennis

          Who are you and what did you do with Jack? You have actually been rather amiable lately.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          He got a girlfriend.

    • Anonymous

      if it reminds me of linux, that’s good. and for ubuntu users, once you have unzipped (the download), this command comes in handy to run groovjaar: sudo java -jar GrooveJaar.jar

      • etr

        cut the sudo off. Why would you run this as a root?? It runs perfectly as a user too

    • Anonymous

      That’s the thing about this app; it doesn’t need any users to work. It comes straight from Grooveshark, which means no malware, fast speeds, and safe IPs. It’s a brilliant little app; it’s been successful for me so far. It’s similar to stripping content from youtube; as long as its hosted, you can download it.

  • Lol

    Finally found an album I’ve been wanting, but could never find anywhere, not even Waffles. Awesome stuff.

  • Lol

    Finally found an album I’ve been wanting, but could never find anywhere, not even Waffles. Awesome stuff.

  • Anon

    Sweet app but what.cd owns all.

  • Anonymous

    I got banned from grooveshark after downloading 7 songs. I only had max 2 going at once.

    • Anonymous

      Yes I found the same. Try downloading like 20 in a row and they soon block your IP. For how long is a good question.

      My favourite MP3 search engine has always been Google. There is no end of media people leave on their HDDs available to the Internet. I recently obtained Lady Gaga’s The Fame Monster (Deluxe Edition) that way.

      • Anonymous

        About 3 hours.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    Not to be negative, but that isn’t very fun with screen reading software.
    Anyone know of an alternative for Safari, or just for the mac, or a way to just easily run this through command line?
    Mehh, I know I sound like a geek but…
    This doesn’t sound bad.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Ouch. Applications that are executed over other applications (java) tend to be catchy when you need to interact with other software. Hope you can solve your problem.

      • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

        Thanks. I have actually decided to continue using what I have been using; this inaccessibility is not worth my time and effort.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Ouch. Applications that are executed over other applications (java) tend to be catchy when you need to interact with other software. Hope you can solve your problem.

    • Anonymous

      dual boot with ubuntu

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    MPAA sues Groovejaars in 3…2…

  • Validemail

    Banned. So much for this app. TorrentFreak should rescind this article.

  • Ou812

    I thought it was a problem with my network, so I was using it again and was blocked a second time. Who knows if I’ll get my GS access back. Next time I’ll let you all test something for a week before I trust an article on TF.

  • Annono

    grooveshark ripper’s have been around for ages. this is not new at all…

  • Lulz

    >2011
    >not using Pirate 1006
    >still using JAVA
    i seriously hope you guys don’t do this

  • Anon

    GrooveShark is one of many music alternatives that seeks to bring entertainment to the masses at the highest possible convenience and the lowest possible price, even while dealing with licensing issues brought by the rightsholders. And even then, pirates hijack them too. Nice.

  • markie

    What was that other one similar to this that Torrentfreak posted on. I forget now but i did not last long.

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  • Anonymous

    awesome! And now the RIAA will run in and cry…

  • Dude

    Fuck this, I want a spotify downloader.

  • Foff

    HA ha ho he har. The RIAA has been butt f”ed again. You lose lose lose lose RIAA give up the fight. Can’t you learn from Khadafi at some point you lose for good. That has already happened. I have terabytes of music and shyt downloaded like millions of others that are into file sharing and you can’t do jack shyt about it. Get a clue dumb a$$es tons of music is all over the net for anyone with half a brain to download and you are powerless as piss in the wind to stop it. No matter what legal efforts you do there will always be away to share it and given that we all have more music on hard drives then most libraries ever had you are totally totally screwed.

    • DaddyFoff

      Is that you, son? I think you forgot your tablets again, boy.

      • Anon

        Revelations like this are just windows into how deeply impotent some people are IRL, Dad. There’s no tablet to fix that.

      • Foff

        I think there was too much caffeine in my coffee. But plug one hole in the leaky dike and another one springs open. Like it or not at some point the RIAA is going to have to live with file sharing or they can be like the stubborn US that will continue to fight an lose the drug war for the next millenium.

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  • Someguy

    is it working for anyone right now,because it keep on working then stopping

    • ANonymous

      Have been having similar problems, I think its a temp ban from grooveshark. After about 5 albums, it cuts out. Can’t access through grooveshark.com either.

      SUGGESTION: Proxy option? Some way to counter the ban.

  • Anonymous

    lnk.co/HLPWB

  • Ben

    just worked for me without any problems

  • Joeytanker

    I’m a 54 year old mac user.. work on pc’s and macs all day, every day since 82, I’m not a geek but it is my life, and they (grooveshredder) should have a more refined installer link. I’m used to click here and install, i know i’m an idiot by the standards of most visitors here today, just saying it should be a cleaner install.. (grooveshredder), now having said that, I did all of that before reading the comments.. after reading all of them, I think I will pass on this for the disconnect experiences reported with downloading two songs at a time. (gotta uninstall now). I too have “terror-bytes” of everything, and I didn’t get that with two at a time, and 3 hour bans. I’ll use one of the suggestions posted in the comments.. Lastly, I love torrentfreak.com, and visit it daily for over 4 years now… If more did, they would understand so much more about what is going on… Thanks to everyone who takes the time to post here. I love learning from you guys!

  • shumway

    Scilor’s Grooveshark Downloader is Much Better
    http://www.scilor.com/grooveshark-downloader.html

  • what’s in a name

    Ok i get this program now you can download 1 song ever 3 hours lol what joke!

  • Amando

    “Added methods to avoid bans from GrooveShark”

    Hahahaha!

  • JerryLawless

    OK, so in summary, we have Groovejaar to download high quality MP3 froom Grooveshark. We have YoutubeDownloader for downloading 10 minutes of video from Youtube.

    is there something like the above for software? I need Adobe CS5.5 (and don’t tell me to buy because I afford it nor do I want to risk downloading from torrent).

  • JerryLawless

    OK, so in summary, we have Groovejaar to download high quality MP3 froom Grooveshark. We have YoutubeDownloader for downloading 10 minutes of video from Youtube.

    is there something like the above for software? I need Adobe CS5.5 (and don’t tell me to buy because I afford it nor do I want to risk downloading from torrent).

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  • Anonymous

    sounds like myTunes from way back when iTunes had an unfettered LAN streaming option. myTunes would let you download rather than stream. way back when i was still in college dorms everyone had that and was downloading from each others hd’s and since it wasn’t over the internet no one knew nor cared.

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