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Who Protects Freedom Of Speech When It Isn’t Profitable To Do So?

Over the past years, we have seen an all-out assault on the messenger immunity, forcing liability onto commercial distribution services for merely carrying a message. The net effect of this is a drastic and catastrophic abolition of the freedom of speech in the Internet.

copyright-brandedBarely a week passes without yet another website being taken down because somebody objected to its existence. This would have been conceptually unthinkable two decades ago, but the copyright monopoly has encroached on civil liberties to a degree many haven’t realized.

Let’s return to the idea of the analog letter. It embodies much of what we cherish about freedoms of speech and expression. A key aspect of the letter is the concept of the messenger immunity – the idea that the mailman is never responsible for the contents of a carried message.

To illustrate how throughly fundamental this principle is, consider that the largest distributor of narcotics in pretty much every country is that country’s postal services. Yet, nobody would dream of holding the postal services as such responsible for the fact that some people use it to transport contraband – the responsibility for this rests solely with those who send narcotics through the mail, not with the mail system itself.

If a random director of a country’s postal service were called on this fact in a discussion panel, they would respond, “Well, that is indeed a problem. But it’s not our problem, nor should it be.” And they would be right.

For some reason, this fundamental principle of law doesn’t apply online, which is yet another sign the policymakers don’t seem to believe the Internet is for real, a lack of understanding that the net is actually a part of the real world.

This is a result of skilled lobbying from copyright monopoly extremists who have been talking to policymakers – policymakers who are at such a level of digital literacy that they get their e-mails printed for them by secretaries. (I wish I was making this up, but I’m not.) The result is a mishmash of laws with so-called Safe Harbors – implying that they would protect the messenger immunity – but where these laws are actually the exact opposite of Safe Harbors, as they introduce conditions for the immunity.

More specifically, the messenger is only immune as long as nobody has objected to their carrying the message. Most infamously, this is the case in the United States’ disastrous DMCA law, a mechanism that has gradually and partially crept into EU courts as well through a number of precedents.

When so-called Safe Harbors are conditional, and you risk liability for not killing the message, the correct business decision is almost always to drop the message and not risk liability – it is not the messenger’s responsibility to safeguard freedom of speech as such: it is their responsibility to run a business, and this is as it should be.

This is part of a deliberate conflation between business interests and civil liberties, and gradually letting business interests supersede civil liberties just because they are exercised online. That is not acceptable. Freedoms of speech were never safeguarded as a business interest. They were always safeguarded as an overriding political and civil liberties interest; it was never a particular entrepreneur’s responsibility to shoulder the responsibility of protecting freedom of speech for an entire nation.

Unfortunately, this has left us without anybody who takes responsibility for freedom of speech. The feeling that this was somebody’s intended result subtly creeps under your skin.

The very purpose of freedom of speech is to give everybody the ability to say things that aren’t popular. You never needed a constitutional protection to say that unicorns, kittens, and rainbows are pretty.

Freedom of speech is the freedom to state anything for any reason with the intent of conveying a message, either to a specific recipient or to the public at large. Successful political speech (which doesn’t have to include spoken words just to be called “speech”) more often than not points at somebody else’s expression and puts it in a new light.

At this point, copyright monopoly extremists are never late to claim that freedom of expression only is the freedom to state your own expressions, not a freedom to broadcast other people’s expressions. To put it in technical terms, this argument is utter bullshit.

When I sing “Happy Birthday” to somebody, it is trivial to observe that I do so to express a message of my own at the recipient, despite the fact that the song is under copyright monopoly, which is what is implied by the garbage of “somebody else’s expression”.

We are currently without a functioning legal protection of freedom of speech online, as Internet Service Providers get threatened the instant something is communicated that somebody else doesn’t like. If this had been the case when postal services were created, we would not have postal services today – nor the telephone, nor the Internet.

Messenger immunity is fundamental, and we need to fix this. It must be unconditional.

About The Author

Rick Falkvinge is a regular columnist on TorrentFreak, sharing his thoughts every other week. He is the founder of the Swedish and first Pirate Party, a whisky aficionado, and a low-altitude motorcycle pilot. His blog at falkvinge.net focuses on information policy.

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  • NewClear

    I will support your freedom of speech until the end. (as long as you don’t say anything I don’t like)

    • DoobyDoo

      ‘(as long as you don’t say anything I don’t like)’

      Which in turn invalidates freedom of speech

      • One-Eyed Willie

        That was the point of the statement I am sure. Freedom as far as I am concerned is unconditional.

      • Guest

        thanks for setting an example of stupid thought

      • Robert

        I think that was the joke.

    • http://twitter.com/CreightFrazee Creight Frazee

      In US, at least, this is the result of a lax judiciary allowing legislature and executive to intrude upon the power of the judiciary as well as make laws which violate constitution as well as previous case law.
      You’re seeing the judiciary slowly starting to wake up, but what they need to do is to scrap the DMCA and demand that a much better law is passed……. http://www.youtube.com.qr.net/kfZm/watch?v=QZEpDqP3IrQ

    • NafN

      That’s always been the definition of freedom by the bourgeoisie and the aristocracy, the only “freedom” they recognize is the “freedom” for them to reduce the rest of humanity to slavery for their continued high profit.

    • Funny

      Here’s your rightt to be free at it’s finest moment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
      You have no rights, they’re imaginary, they can be taken away as the more powerful see fit.

      • Paul

        True, sad but true…

  • JohnGaspardo

    I’m more worried about martial law and getting the shit kicked out of me for expressing my constitutional rights. Brooklyn Anyone ? I’m so sick of the generalization of feelings.You shouldn’t get mad you should debate and debate and debate and debate and all the while you are debating the shit out of whatever it may be in a “politically correct way” the governments and corporations steal something else from us. I’m done debating! There is no legal solution to this and every other problem. The only way to stop tyrants is to KILL THEM. 100% Dead is the only way to win.

    • One-Eyed Willie

      Sadly, I have to agree with you. But who will be the first to get blood on their hands in the name of freedom? Our forefathers did it to create a Republic which is no more that a playground for rich businessmen now? /cries They care about their freedom because they can buy it but don’t give a shit about yours. They are the new terrorist and we all know what to do to terrorists.

      • JohnGaspardo

        The first revolution started when the British tried to take the guns at concord and they fired first. Tyrants can’t stand for people to be free. They will make the first move and from there on out let the killing begin.

        • One-Eyed Willie

          All is not what is seems when you see all this hoopla about trying to ban guns. They are trying to scare the public so that they can take away our rights to defend ourselves so we can’t fight a war effectively. It all starts with disarming the dissenting public. The school shooting, the killing on the news it is all used towards this purpose. Don’t let the news media dupe you into giving up your freedom and your guns. You will need them when the war begins and they know that.

        • Drop

          So you need guns to overthrow tyrannical rulers, then your first reaction is: “I have money, I’m going to get a VPN, see you later”.

          Now, how many people in you country must die, because you need to protect yourselves? Other reasons why you need guns, it’s because your forefathers just wanted their citizens can train to easily create militias when your country would be invaded (in the meantime, all of you just kill yourselves for decades to train for an invasion that probably never happens).

          “They are the new terrorist and we all know what to do to terrorists”.

          More and more irony, so you have the ideas your “new terrorists” have used to indoctrinate you all these decades? G.I. Joe.

          Being that you just have the same mentality of these (conveniently called) new “terrorists”, probably won’t have any change in your country, just new faces with the same ideology.

        • One-Eyed Willie

          After they signed the Declaration of Independence someone ask Ben Franklin what we had and he said, A Republic if you can keep it!” We no longer have a Republic and we have been duped into giving it up.” It is time to make it a Republic again. The ones who have taken our county hostage won’t just give it up without a fight it makes to much money. Blood will have to be spilled. Also, on a side note much easier to fight people that have 10 round clips instead of 30 or 100 round clips. lol

    • Sorshja

      You have allowed your government to become too strong.

      Unfortunately, so have we all.

      • JohnGaspardo

        I didn’t allow anything. I was born into this debt slavery and have been fighting it ever since. I’m just one person. I’ve been warning people about the domestic drones for over 5 years now and people laughed at me and called me paranoid. Its the rest of humanity that was too stupid or too busy with their own pathetic lives to give 2 shits.

    • Colin Carr

      Be sure that if you progress your very valid ideas beyond a few comments on bulletin boards into any serious intent to bring about change that you go off the grid. Think bitcoin, no phone registered to you etc etc etc.

      • JohnGaspardo

        It’s to late for that and besides I’m not going to enjoy my freedom from a hole in the ground. The fascists are going to have to ship me to Guantanamo and till then I do what I want and the consequences be damned.

  • anonymous

    when the EUCHR puts entertainment industries profits above freedom to share and freedom of speech, we might just as well give up. when the courts have been ‘encouraged’ to find that there is nothing more important or valuable than a product from the (in particular USA) entertainment industries, we are in deep shit! when unjust laws and bills like SOPA and ACTA are defeated but keep being brought back bit by bit by people like de Gucht and voted in, all we do is delay those industries getting and maintaining exactly what they want, total control!! it doesn’t matter what we as ordinary people win, what we achieve, we lose in the end because no one of power takes any notice of us. they certainly dont work for us and certainly do nothing to protect us. lining pockets and self-enrichment is all any politician thinks about once voted into office. our forefathers fought and died to get and keep freedom from tyrants and dictators but we in the democratic world are having so much taken away from us, usually in secret, by our governments, those people may just as well not have fought. we cannot fight money and we definitely cannot fight bought governments!!

    • Colin Carr

      All you say is true.
      When the law & the judiciary donot support justice, the people are left with only two options, knuckle under or rebel.
      As we saw in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya, the people rebelled and the governments fell. Sadly the new governments are well short of what their citizens want or deserve.
      So, while the option of rebellion looks good on the surface, the rebellion needs to be kept under the control of the people, not a clique of leaders. That could prove more than a little difficult.

  • beauxq

    It should be obvious that profit isn’t going to take care of us in any way.

    • UraPhake

      The copyright monopoly are like squirrels.

      You can feed a squirrel every day of your life but they will never be your friend. Once you stop feeding them they simply go elsewhere or in the case of some — they become aggressive! Just like the copyright monopoly does.

      The rabid Hollywood/Recording Industry rodents should be exterminated.

      Chris Dodd and Joe Biden both have fleas and ticks. They carry disease wherever they go.

      • fishsquad

        I love your analogy!

  • highboi

    This is why I don’t pay tax and I don’t give a shit about the punishments

    • DoobyDoo

      Until you drop the soap

    • Shreyas

      Nice…where do you live by the way?

      • highboi

        Coperate america

    • Guest

      bold :D

    • Jan Hansen

      I hear Somalia is a very exiting place where you can pursue your way of life,

      • highboi

        Is that a sims reference?

      • Austin Williamson

        Yay, Piracy!

  • joexxx

    In US, at least, this is the result of a lax judiciary allowing legislature and executive to intrude upon the power of the judiciary as well as make laws which violate constitution as well as previous case law.
    You’re seeing the judiciary slowly starting to wake, but what they need to do is to scrap the DMCA and demand that a much better law is passed.

    • One-Eyed Willie

      If the judiciary does not start to wake up faster there is bound to be a real war.

  • Foff

    So I live in a supposedly free country yet let’s say I don’t like certain people and I don’t like the way things are being are run. If I make a site to express my views all someone has to do is call my speech racist or hateful or terroristic and it will be taken down by my provider even though all I do is pay them to host the site. Yet in this twisted copyright insane world my hoster seems to feel they are somehow responsible for whatever message I want to share.

    Even though the comments on this site are only lightly censored there are still limits to what you can and cannot say. People who complain about being offended should not to go to places where they might be offended. If you can handle a little racism or hate speech then don’t fucking read comments or go to sites that don’t agree with your point of view.

    Mr F is right. We are being painted in a corner. The US needs a revolution. Debt is high, our government does not function, the government has become way to large and oppressive. The problem is with all the terrorism laws, copyright/censorship laws the government is set to easily squash any attempt at rebellion. Freedom of real speech is practically dead.

    • One-Eyed Willie

      “The US needs a revolution. Debt is high, our government does not
      function, the government has become way to large and oppressive. The
      problem is with all the terrorism laws, copyright/censorship laws the
      government is set to easily squash any attempt at rebellion. Freedom of
      real speech is practically dead.”

      I have been saying this for a long time. They can’t fight all the people at once.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed with everything except that the government has become ‘way too large’. If anything, some parts of the government (the regulation parts that make sure that we are not being fed contaminated products being the most obvious) are way too small.

      That said, other parts like the military have gotten too big.

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  • mc007

    i still speak and download and always doo

    • UraPhake

      Just be sure you don’t doo on my front step!

  • Freedom

    Events, as of late, are quite tragic. As delineated in this article, this is a sheer example of a concept that has been demonstrated in history time and time again: “might is right”; in this case, “might” in the form of extreme and corrupt wealth supersedes any established right of the masses. Even though Its unfortunate to experience such things, however, we must remember that everything and anything you seek as a liberty must be actively pursued or will perish. Our ancestors centuries past fought for their liberties, and were repeatedly censored and even paid with their blood (many a times), which many of us take for granted, as of today. Excessive laws punishing honesty and innocence, as well as, effective brainwashing by the mass media have conditioned the human norm into an effeminate entity, which probably is much to blame for this development.
    Despite all these atrocities, there are always bright and unimaginably gifted individuals that come to light. From history, several upon several names come to mind that retaliate the oppressive: from warriors such as William Wallace and Spartacus to thinkers/philosophers such as Karl Marx, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr., to name a few; there are numerous means to establishing and maintaining liberties. In fact, although I do not fully agree with Marxism, there are some interesting points to be noted (which depicts current events, perhaps?):
    “Marxism—hold that human societies progress through the dialectic of class struggle: a conflict between an ownership class that controls production and a proletariat that provides the labour for production. He [Marx] called capitalism the “dictatorship of the bourgeoisie”, believing it to be run by the wealthy classes purely for their own benefit; and he predicted that, like previous socioeconomic systems, capitalism would inevitably produce internal tensions which would lead to its self-destruction and replacement by a new system: socialism.[9] He argued that under socialism society would be governed by the working class in what he called the “dictatorship of the proletariat”, the “workers’ state” or “workers’ democracy”.[10][11] ” (Credit: Wikipedia)
    So even in the age of the Internet, it is important to strive for securing our liberties. If you dont, despite harsh conditions, you may forsake even which you may have as of yet. This is a universal problem, so it affects us all!

  • Zinkqink

    In America? No one, because its always about the dollar in America!

    Goto-Anon.tk

    • One-Eyed Willie

      It is the 1%ers not most of the people.

    • Guest321

      “because its always about the dollar in America!”

      Says the spam whore who only sees this site and its users as a source for $$$.

  • Jim

    The Simpsons movie put this perfectly when the McBane “President” character is given 5 choices as to how to deal with Springfield and he says “I was elected to lead, not to read.” This perfectly sums up every politician of the modern age, not willing to have an actual thought themselves but to have someone else present them with their thoughts and ideas to randomly pick which one will decide our fates in this digital time.

  • Violated0

    The UK block of TPB and others sure blocked much free speech.

    Copyright is a monopoly aimed to control society, while society permits, but the Internet has now connected everyone and a massive percentage of the global population believe that freely sharing is reasonable, which is in direct violation of copyright as it stands.

    So now the RIAA/MPAA along with versions in other counties are now exerting Government-like power to try and enforce their monopoly. Clearly it is just not a good idea for commercial organization to be able to censor away anything and everything they don’t like, as current DMCA take-down abuse highlights.

    Whole sites get censored away causing the loss of the good along with the bad where many independent artists see their distribution bases like TPB and like MegaUpload being harmed.

    Then we have this six strikes scheme where never before in all of history has a commercial entity, working under a Government granted monopoly, exerted so much power over the population.

    The day has yet to grow darker before the light of change rises. With power comes abuse and that abuse will mount up into the largest shit ball this world has ever seen.

    • One-Eyed Willie

      How much darker before people will see the light?

      • Violated0

        Much of the population already does namely a sharing culture that promotes and not harms creation.

        We only await politicians to catch up and yes here and there are lone voices wanting real copyright reform, Even that is a day I never thought I would see but we of course need more.

        Congress is filled with people with the average age old enough to be grandparents, with some I expect great grandparents, meaning real old school class largely lobbied by the entertainment industry via the MPAA and RIAA.

        To convince them to undertake major copyright reform will take a lot of public protests and demonstrations. Big enough indeed to make them fear that their jobs are at risk.

        Beyond that them many of our requested reforms are very understandable and not done for any greed reason only to promote freedom and to reel in this copyright monster. So when that hits the floor it should obtain a lot of understanding.

        • One-Eyed Willie

          I will gladly protest and go to demonstrations. I have done it before.

  • dondilly

    I don’t know about anywhere else in the EU but in the UK the state held the monopoly on the postal service, though this has since been loosened for parcels and bulk mail. The Royal Mail was created and given the monopoly so the state could intercept mail.

    There has also over the years been copyright extremists threatening shop workers for whistling or singing copyrighted songs as they work.

  • The_Strawbear

    “Who Protects Freedom Of Speech When It Isn’t Profitable To Do So?”

    Technically in a liberal democracy (or a functioning communist state)

    • Liam JH

      “I think as long as a state has robust laws (ha!) to deal with hate crimes” – I think Southpark covered this a few years back.
      There is no hate crime – all crime is hateful. What is in question is what is considered a criminal.

  • josh1073

    We need someone like that Breivik guy to kill the RIAA, DMCA trolls. No tears will be shed.

  • Andrew Lee

    Freedom of speech means everything is okay even if their opinion is fucked up to the max.

    KKK – I don’t like it but it’s their right to hate many races as they choose.

    Westboro Baptist Church – Those mother fuckers are out of their goddamn minds, but still it’s their right.

    Fellowship of God’s Covenant People – Refer to Westboro

    There are so many hate groups out there that push the limits of what free speech means. There is some good that comes out of these groups because of their actions. It shows us that there can be no limits because with limits it’s not very free at all.

    Now back to WBBC I had a chance to use my freedom of speech back at them a few years ago. Being that I’m an atheist they got pretty fired up when I called the bible a fairytale book while wearing my cradle of filth Jesus is a cunt t-shirt. I don’t normally shit on a persons religion but I will make a exception for those fuckers any day.

    The point is I forced them to tolerate speech that make them blind with rage.

    That’s how freedom of speech works even in it’s most fucked up form.

  • bobmail

    Rick, I have tto congratulate you once again on trying to create another Us v. Them situation where one does not exist.

    Free speech isn’t about profit. When you find someone with a profit motivation harping about free speech, what they are usually saying is that they want to use free speech as a way to hide their otherwise illegal activities, or to excuse them. Listening to TPB guys or Fat Kim from Mega go on about free speech is really amusing. However, they do the concept of free speech way more harm than good, because their motivations (fat profits) are pretty obvious.

    The biggest problem with your whole discussion is that it is absolutely one sided. You are looking at free speech from your own rights to say whatever, without considering how that speech inpacts the rights and freedoms of others. Free speech isn’t absolute (I have already shown that here repeatedly, much to the chagrin of the local zealots), it is more a question of what to do in the zones where it overlaps with the rights and freedoms of others. There is a balance in law between each of the players, and as a result, you don’t always get absolute, utter, and complete free speech.

    Let’s be fair here. The free speech you are arguing for in general (mr Pirate Party) is the freedom to distribute copyright works, other people’s speech, with impunity. You are not arguing about the unicorns or “North Korean Leader sucks” sort of things, you are very specifically looking at an overlap area and claiming that your free speech right trumps everyone else’s legal rights in the area.

    Thankfully, the EU court disagreed with you, in the same manner that the US courts have hammered Lessig’s weak 1st amendment arguments. At the end of the day, the courts can see where the free speech rights could actually harm others rights, and that the benefit of that free speech is outweighed by the other benefits to society.

    Simply put, for all your fussing and farting around, you have an incredibly amount of free speech, to a level that most people in the less than free world would envy, and like a spoiled child, you still want more. Does that really seem fair?

    If people are only supporting free speech for benefit (such as “free movies!”) then they aren’t really about free speech at all, just the free lunch.

    • Bob again, learn bob

      Strange. I didn’t see anything about movies in the article. Jumping to your guilty conscience again? or just trying to force your point? tsk tsk. Well done on not bringing up strawmen or your favourite – kiddy porn.

      • bobmail

        Perhaps you should pay attention, because the last time I looked people are heavily pirating movies (and music), and that any discussion of “free speech” that involves Rick involves piracy.

        I know, it’s hard for you (and mary) to follow along. Maybe you can find someone to explain it to you better at school tomorrow.

        • Anyone

          free speech is more than just actual speech

          it also means I am free to transmit whatever information I want to whoever I want. if I want to send a movie or music to a friend who are you to tell me I can’t do that?

        • IDIOCRACY

          Hi there bobby, you made my day again by making an @ss out of yourself.

          You apparently lack the skill of reading or what pills did you get today from the nurse?

          Rick says: “protection of freedom of speech is not profitable” it might actually hurt your business if you do so, in other words this can be interpreted as those who defend free speech will lose money.

          You say: “Free speech isn’t about profit” which is true but your conclusion after that is like I say my car can drive 250m/h and you answer yes but a car has 6 wheels. Both true! but then the conclusion …
          Like TPB is not about profit… you are so right… but then you state that they actually are???? to use the same analogy: yes and therefore the car has 4 wheels???

          And this was even not what was said, there is no mentioning or talk about what freedom of speech is in the opening, mentioned is defending it. You however seem to like to read something else or twist on purpose the words written…. you are so long so full of lies that you start to believe your own ones now.

          just saying it makes you look stupid hehe..

          oh you wonder still about the 6 wheels?? hehe 4 on the road, one spare in the trunk or on the back and one steering wheel hehe. (oh and I am still not mary)

        • Typhoid Mary

          I love it when you sweet talk us Bob, especially when it has that Semi-Stroke, incoherent, slobber gurgling feeling to it.

          I’m sure you are just adorable sitting in the Activities Room in your worn-out Spider-Man underwear and half-eaten animal cookies all around you, trying to figure out what Free-Speech means.

    • Typhoid Mary

      Bob, I have to congratulate you once again for trying to create another endless blabbering fairytale. Talk about fussing and farting Jesus Christ, of that you are the King Shit of all time. Your meds must have been kicking in Bob because you’re on fire with that gigantic mound of shit.

      But the biggest problem with your whole discussion is that your involved in it.

      Simply put, Unicorns are pretty and North Korea sucks and bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla..

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Rick, I have tto congratulate you once again on trying to create another Us v. Them situation where one does not exist.

      One which he shares with everyone who knows information technology.

      Now, the rest of your wordwalling seems to be based on the assumption that we live in a world where you can monitor only everyone who is guilty. That is, obviously, not the case.

      And so your arguments are, at best, deceptive. Free speech certainly isn’t absolute, but you’d have to be a copyright zealot indeed not to realize that in order to actively find speech not covered by human rights you have to monitor everyone, abolishing the UN/constitutional right of free speech as an unavoidable side effect.

      There is no “balance in law” when what you call for is in essence that no one is supposed to able to communicate anonymously and confidentially.

      • bobmail

        As soon as you deny the concept of balance in law, then you deny that there is any limit to your free speech. We have already been over this again and again, you even admit it yourself: You free speech does have limits.

        if you can’t deal with the basics, then you will always find yourself wrong. Rick loves people like you, zealots who reject what they know is fundementally true, that there is no such thing as absolute free speech.

        “when what you call for”

        I didn’t call for anything, except perhaps another coffee. Where did you get me calling for anything?

        • Guest

          Balance in law?

          Copyright enforcement hasn’t known balance in law in forever. Their burden of proof is laughable. Their accuracy in nabbing infringers is horrible. Their methodology to do so has never been verified. Their damages have never been proven or quantified. Their demanded penalties are beyond what the average person can pay up, especially in comparison to shoplifting fines.

          You’re a joke if you think you can make demands based on “balance in law”.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          As soon as you deny the concept of balance in law, then you deny that there is any limit to your free speech.

          There is only one person here denying balance in law and that would be you. See, depriving everyone of the option to have the concept called “free speech” at all is not balanced.

          And unfortunately that is what your argument assumes. If people can communicate freely at all, then you are unable to enforce copyright. Because you cannot monitor only guilty parties.

          if you can’t deal with the basics, then you will always find yourself wrong…

          The problem being that from your arguments, even China has a too “laissez-faire” approach to “free speech”. Of course, if by “dealing with the basics” you presume that everyone must be considered guilty until proven innocent, then yes, those particular basics aren’t worth dealing with in any way other than rejection.

          “Rick loves people like you, zealots liberals who reject what they know is fundementally true abhorrent, that there is no such thing as absolute free speech…”

          Fixed that for you.

          The problem is still that you keep assuming ANY form of free communication is an evil to be curbed because if it exists, people can pass one another copies of media in private.

          I didn’t call for anything, except perhaps another coffee. Where did you get me calling for anything?

          You really want me to go and prove you a liar by quoting one of your own comments back at you yet again?

        • joexxx

          Great, there is a limit to free speech, but copyright isn’t it. Copyright isn’t needed for culture to survive. On the contrary it slows innovation and cultural growth by imposing a completely artificial monopoly.
          If you notice, copyright is relatively new idea and human culture was doing fine before it.

      • Liam JH

        ” Free speech certainly isn’t absolute”
        It should be otherwise it is not free speech, anyone should be able to say anything they like, at the same time they must stand by their words and accept every criticism thrown at them.
        If you silence your critics, they ‘conspire’ in private.

        • Anyone

          there are some common sense limitations, such as yelling “fire” in a crowded space

          otherwise you are right, freedom of speech should be absolute

        • IDIOCRACY

          Yes but you CAN do it and it is not forbidden, the result is maybe that you get sued by someone that got physically hurt because of your yelling “fire”.

          There is no-one standing next to you with a gag-ball ready to put in your mouth so freedom of speech is absolute… who else decides where the boundaries are… you?? me?? the majority?? remember the majority of Germany voted Hitler into the government before WW2 So everything he did was ok????

          NO!!!! freedom of speech is absolute without limitations… Bobby tried a while ago to counter that statement with how I would feel if he started to spread rumors in my neighborhood that I would be having a preference for young boys. Also here… yes he can do that, I cannot stop him from doing that, that is called freedom of speech, however I can sue him for slander because it is untrue, and hence it is untrue, there is nothing to backup his rumors so he will be convicted for this… but… he is allowed to say what he wants…to everyone he wants…like you too.

          I do still wonder where bobby got that thought, there is a saying that says: the innkeeper is like his trust his guests, or the wish is the father of the thought….. …

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Well, not quite.

          Free speech is a human right. One point of which is that no human right can be used to override another.

          Hence free speech is as limited as any of the other UN articles, circumscribed by their common framework.

          Case in point, everyone has a right to a fair trial. Hence bearing false witness, although an expression of free speech, is in direct conflict with other people’s right to a fair trial. To name one demonstration of the principle.

          However, it is noteworthy that copyright is in direct conflict with quite a lot of human right articles while being backed by none of them.

        • SoundnuoS

          Article 27 clause 2

        • 7th_Guest

          Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 27:

          (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.

          (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

          Good start, chum. Now prove that non-profit file sharing of a culturally relevant scientific or artistic intellectual work removes the protection of any moral or material interest from an author of said production and you’ll be on your way to a solid argument. Hell knows, better men than you have stayed mum on that one for quite a while now, so it’ll certainly be an fascinating effort to behold.

        • SoundnuoS

          The filesharing might be done without financial compensation between the two parties sharing but that does not remove the material interest the author has in that transaction.

          The author is offering the same material for sale and when someone gets the material by filesharing instead of buying it from the author they are hurting his material interests.

          Should be pretty obvious, so I doubt better men than me have failed in showing this.The ECHR court just took a stand on this, if you remember.

        • 7th_Guest

          [...]The author is offering the same material for sale and when someone gets the material by filesharing instead of buying it from the author they are hurting his material interests.[...]

          Even if we were to overlook the fact that 99% of the time the ones “offering the same material for sale” aren’t the author(s), but corporate rightsholders, are you going to, you know, actually prove this claim or simply assert it to be true and expect everyone to take your word for it because it’s “obvious”? Do you have any kind of reliable evidence or research to support the thesis that non-profit filesharing provably hurts an author’s material interests?

          Also, from what I’ve read, the ECHR did neither recognize that copyright infringement related statutory damages are justified in their scope or even principle (because that wasn’t related to the case), nor that the Copyright privilege avoids conflict with any other part of the UNHR declaration – Article 10, specifically; in fact, it pretty much outright affirmed that notion, stating that even for-profit sharing activity was covered by the right to ‘receive and impart information.

        • SoundnuoS

          Here’s a paper comparing the various research done on piracy:

          http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2132153

          Most of them find piracy removes sales. If sales are removed it directly affects an author through loss of royalties or directly as a loss of sales income if they’re an independent publisher. Not to mention various indirect effects caused by the 50% drop in revenue the music industry has had this past decade.
          What the ECHR confirmed is that copyright can conflict with article 10, but in the cases where copyrighted art is the information being received and imparted the limitation is acceptable because it protects the authors rights, as prescribed by article 27.

    • Liam JH

      Because of the right to free speech you are allowed to post this wall of shite, I may not agree with you but it is your right. It allows the world to see bigots as they are when they let their guard slip, instead of hiding behind pseudo political messages/agendas.
      Fuck off bob.
      Free Speech, free speech,
      For the Dumb, for the dumb

  • Dave

    Stealing something you do not own is not a freedom or violating your free speech you douchebag, God damn you fucking Swedes are dumb as fuck. It goes back to the stone age and the punishment for it should as well.

    • Violated0

      So the copyright shills come out to play, Infringement is not stealing as you well know and better seen as an unauthorised copy.

      Not understanding the freedom of speech aspect does indeed make you clueless. Rights holders are welcomed to profit from the market and indeed most people believe in a temporary restriction to prevent others doing so. However right holders are not allowed to control the market with their restrictive practices like zoning, delays, exclusive agreements and more,

      The public control the market and demand the when and how their media is to be served and sure if your performance is not to their satisfaction then they will find a better source.

      Freedom of expression. Freedom of sharing. Freedom of choice.

    • joexxx

      Might be wise to improve reading comprehension before posting garbage on here.

    • eee

      so cursing the Holy Spirit which is worse is ok in your book, seems ur ways are twisted…. And how is downloading = stealing? Its equavalent to printing press… It seems thatu do not read tf or would have searched back coments to find your answer (does seeding = stealing). Learn how to use internet before saying such nonsense….

    • Anyone

      you still need to learn that copyright doesn’t give you (I’m assuming you are a copyright “owner”) any property, but it takes away some of my property rights

      a movie or music file cannot be stolen

    • IDIOCRACY

      I guess davie, you need to be educated as well, are you residing in the same ward as Bobby??

      Let me explain it to you in an easy way:

      stealing is illegal, downloading is legal (in a lot of countries) even when the source is offering it illegal. So what you actually wanted to say is that offering a file for download (publishing) is illegal… get your words straight next time you say something, people might (don’t think so but maybe) listen to you. Besides offering something you posses to a friend to loan or share is in a lot of counties allowed and can be labeled as fair use policy. So again even uploading copyrighted material where you do not own the rights to publish from, might be considered as legal in certain cases.

      The measures that they entertainment industry wants to take to prevent this use of the INTERNET, THOSE measures are violating our free speech rights. The fact that without (or with for that matter) those measures the industry cannot stop the “unauthorized sharing of copyrighted files” (/= stealing) is a symptom of a free world. So ask yourself: do I allow my rights to be violated in favor of a few big corporations that actually profit from filesharing but it is not in their control, or do I stand up for my right and say no to these violations of free speech and censorship and will I fight for a true free society.

      Remember that the law is there in the very FIRST place to protect the rights of the citizens, and in the SECOND place to punish the perpetrators,THAT is what our forefathers fought for…. remember the “Magna Carta”.

      Now if rule 1 must be violated to enforce rule 2, than it cannot be done in a civilized community because it would render rule 1 useless. This is the basics where it all starts and ends; if rule 1 is broken, the free community will move to a dictatorial one like before Magna Carta. This is actually happening with most countries right now… some slow some fast but it is happening.
      And THAT is what we True pirates stand for to prevent.

      Do you understand now that your post was inappropriate and misguiding and offensive to your own forefathers, like all the posts of Bobby (bobmail) or are you like bobby willingly trying to entertain us with more stupid and dumb posts that make you look like Bobby = Dumbass with no braincells left… hehe

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  • utuxia

    let’s face it. nobody is going to shell out the legal fees to protect their right to say what they want online, or transfer digital content. Its far more economical to just keep your mouth shut, and not download questionable content. Blame the government for not doing their job and letting corporate lobbyists pass laws benefiting them instead of the citizens. Until people start voting these people out of office en masse, nothing will change. Open your eyes.

  • Chris Clawson

    The letter analogy doesn’t quite hold up. It would require that the Post Office not only open every letter, but have the manpower (or Carnivore-like computing power) to read them all.

  • Nunki

    Very nice article Rick.
    I enjoy reading them every time. You sometimes go into the abstract, but i know you mean well, and sometimes it is the only way to get the message across.
    In this case however, i draw my hat. You put into words, what i was thinking for a long time. And i too feel a need to protect what is left of the internet.
    You have my full support.
    Nunki

  • RisingPhoenix

    So we should just bring back the twilight discs?

  • NafN

    DMCA is raping freedom of speech in the ass beside raping the 1st amendment, but have you seen ANYBODY fighting to abolish DMCA?
    Nope, most people don’t care about freedom of speech anymore, only those who have strong different views (like myself) still care.

    And never forget that there are only two countries in the world that are supposed to have constitutional freedom of speech (U$A & Denmark), all the others just do not have any freedom of speech at all – and those two countries already have made enough laws to limit this freedom of speech .

    Anarchy now!

  • Filino Rupro

    We must a system to bypass the need for ISP!

  • Traveller

    That’s the actual purpose of laws such as the DMCA, SOPA, PIPA, etc; to kill freedom of speech of the Net disguising it as “copyright protection”.

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  • SCP-682

    Those who think freedom of speech should be limited should take a vow of silence to see what it’s like not being able to say what they want.

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  • Anon

    Freedom of speech is crucial in an open and free society. What is it exactly that you wish to say, Rick, and are being blocked to say it? Here’s your chance. Stop bitching about the truth in human nature and your inability to accept reality and just say it.

    • bimbobob

      Said, after Rick has only just exercised his right to free speech

      What pray tell is your position, you know, exercise your right brother, put on “paper” for everyone to see, instead of that cross target you paint yourself in, when you attack the person instead of the subject

  • chillinfart

    An example about how business are stuck due to copyright conflicts, paranoid bills or any stupidity can be a good intro about this post. Your post is not bad Rick, but is too centered on “freedom” but not about how freedom is important to business.

    And we know cases about that situation. However, i quote your words to try to give that message: “Freedoms of speech were never safeguarded as a business interest”.

  • Fidelio

    That’s a lame argument. Messenger immunity doesn’t apply to broadcasters, for example. And if a delivery service was informed that it was carrying drugs and delivered them anyway, then of course they would be prosecuted. In fact the whole anti SOPA brigade leave a very bad taste in ones mouth. Crying’ freedom of speech’ and painting themselves as guardians of civil liberties, when actually they just don’t want to start paying for music, films and software again, and to continue parasitising those who do At the very best it is in extremely poor taste when compared with genuine freedom of speech struggles.

  • JustHonest

    Another twisted idiotic article from Rick Falkvinge – graphically illustrated by his crass analogy with the US postal system.

    He is being deliberately misleading when he says that the US Postal Service would say “not our problem” to narcotics being delivered in the mail.

    I have no doubt that the US postal system does unwittingly deliver narcotics, stolen goods etc. on a daily basis. However when it does intercept such items in its sorting centres the police are called and investigations take place. They will not transport such things knowingly. The responsibility of law abiding citizens when they become aware of law breaking is to report it, which the US Postal System does.

    Any business that engaged in illegal activities or breaking laws can be shut down and online business or websites etc are no different. Why should they be above the law? Freedom of Speech is not freedom to promote illegal and criminal activity.
    People should not believe this sick bastard!

    • joexxx

      Your post is even more idiotic since you’re can’t comprehend a simple concept.

      Let’s go over it one more time:
      #1 Postal Service does not make a judgement on whether something is illegal or not, even if it suspects it. It lets the proper authorities handle it.
      #2 Nobody, except legal authorities, can judge postal service to be guilty of knowingly delivering illegal material.
      #3 Postal can not inspect your mail. It can not let others inspect your mail. Doing so is a direct violation a Federal law unless there is court approved search order.

      Got it?

      • JustHonest

        This is a really stupid attempt to twist what I said into something else.
        #1 I never said that the Postal Service makes any judgments. I said that it calls the Police if it intercepts something in the mail.
        #2 I never claimed that anyone other than legal authorities can make judgements.
        #3 The Postal can indeed inspect mail in a variety of circumstances, for instance where it perceives a danger to its employees or to the public, or where a package, parcel or letter arouses reasonable suspicions, by virtue of weight or smell. There are written procedures in terms of the degree of inspection, and at a certain point the police will be called.
        Quite frankly inspection of post for the purpose of legitimate criminal investigation is something that few would argue against.

  • JustHonest

    When Rick Falkvinge talks about freedom of speech, he never talks about totalitarian Governments in places like Iran or Syria. He never mentions Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch or cases like Pussy Riot and the brave stance they took against the Putin and his unholy alliance with the Russian Orthodox Church. He never mentions the Great Firewall of China or North Korea. The answer of course is that he has no genuine interest in freedom of speech and human rights. This is just a distortion.

    Why movies, music and copyright? What is the crucial freedom of speech issue? Movies and music are readily available to anyone who wants them. Whatever message the filmmakers behind Jack Reacher or The Hobbit want to communicate has been communicated without hindrance. The issue isn’t of freedom of speech, it’s economics and a ruse to maintain his pirate friends freedom to commit crime.

    Freedom of Speech is guaranteed under the US constitution and why therefore is he not developing a case to take to the Supreme Court to challenge the “copyright monopoly”? The answer is that clearly there is no plausible case to pursue.
    Of course Rick Fallkvinge knows perfectly well that this is all a crass sham. Everybody on here should realise it too.

  • anonymous

    not only do the USA want to get these discussions going, as per uaual, they want to be the dictator on the procedures and who is included. Mexico has asked the USA (the EU hasn’t been asked by USA or Mexico for agreeing to inclusion) if they can join and i recently read where the USA has said it wants Turkey included. again, the EU hasn’t been consulted. my concern here is why do the USA want Turkey involved? Turkey must have something that the USA wants desperately enough to want them included, so what is it? has Turkey bothered to put in a request to be included and if so, who did the ask? surely, as they are part of Europe even if not in the EU, the EU would be the sensible place to ask, not the USA. something fishy going on here!

  • Wormlore

    Sadly, we are partially at fault too.

    We are periodically given a choice for our lawmakers and governments. We always choose the same ones. The ones who already proved they won’t defend public interest, but a collection of private interests. They promise they will do good, then do either bad or nothing significant. Over and over. And we just tell them “oh well, I’m sure next time you’ll do good”.

    In some countries, it went so far as to have two choices at most. Charybdis and Scylla. Plague and cholera… Black cats and White cats. (Not to mention countries where you have a “choice” between one party to vote for. ) The concept of “democracy” has been entirely corrupted at its source, leaving us with an illusion of choice that changes so little it’s not significant anymore.

    Moreover, they are responsible for nothing. Making bad laws? Wasting resources? Ruining whole countries? Whatever, they can’t be held responsible for poor or even deliberately bad choices (except for a short list of crimes like embezzlement). We are. Political responsibilities are diluted over their whole country, making us “accomplices” for anything, from the failures of banks to the real wars going on on foreign lands… or the simple erosion of our own freedom. And we pay for this every single day. Officially, we’re paying the price of our freedom. Officiously, we’re paying those that forge new shackles into our very culture.

    There is no easy answer, obviously. The system reduced choices to such a short list of either corrupt or just disempowered people, lacking will or courage to act against the many slow but constant attacks on our rights.
    Only difficult options remains. Refusing the wrong choices. Speaking against lawmaking abuses. Trying to fight our way back to actual democracy and responsible governments. Preferably before a violent revolution becomes the only option.

    • Wormlore

      Please note that I’m not pretending we’re under dictatorship. It’s more devious than other tyranny.

      Good part is that we’re mostly living comfortably enough.

      Bad part is that we’re paying more for things that we’re not responsible for.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RDKVSD4EX3DICUNW3QJC5KQRTE Koko

    As much as I might not agree with select personal views of certain people, groups, whatever, I do believe in protecting their freedoms and rights. I don’t care if they are racist and would prefer I be dead, or tricked into yet another “cruise”, I would fight for their rights. If I didn’t, as many people don’t, your placing your own rights and freedoms on the same chopping block as the individual, group, or whatever, that you disagree with. The rights and freedoms, that should just be a world-wide default realistically, are an all or nothing system. As soon as you take it away from one person, group, country, etc., you’ve fucked it up or everyone. This is very similar to our early school experiences where one class mate would ruin the day or everyone (unless you had
    a teacher that actually gave a shit about injustice). Regardless of your
    citizenship, nationality or ethnic beliefs (yes, crazies! I mean YOU!) you
    should have the same default rights and freedoms in ANY country. You should also fight for those who are struggling to finally have some of the freedoms you currently have.

    Falkvinge is completely correct in his surmising of ‘messenger immunity’. Not to spoil the eloquent articulation, but he’s really reinforcing the basic concept, “Don’t shoot the messenger!” which most if not all of us know. I do agree that something needs to be done that removes the power and pressure from the ISPs, however there isn’t a legit politician in this world that’ll go with Morals and Honesty instead of a bribe. I can’t help but be pessimistic due to history only repeating itself and governments being the only ones who never learn.

    None of this will ever change until the people unite, completely. Not just
    within their borders, but more so as a species. My opinion of how we should self label has never been [nationality],[province],[gender],[religion] or whatever the “norm” is supposed to be. First and foremost I find myself HUMAN! After that I tend to be residing on the planet EARTH. So far I already 2 things in common with (virtually, still can’t tell about politicians) everyone that everyone seems to overlook. I don’t care what your spirituality is, religious sect, sin color, country of origin, “baby-Daddy” status, sexual preference or any other damn bit of info that doesn’t concern me. The things we share (opinions, internet connection, ideals, ethics) are the only things I want to possibly burden you with in a conversation or exchange. Your view can enlighten me and mine and visa versa.

    I’m not going to wait for the day when some honest politician, which for
    some unexplainable reason is still breathing, finds the lack of freedoms and rights conflicting with basic civil liberties. I’d much rather die than wait around for possibilities or inevitabilities. Instead I will fight where I can, how I can and as well as I can. If people don’t actually fight, then no one is really going to listen. Just take 5% of the “Infringers” in the US alone and send them (on foot) to Washington DC. Can anyone extrapolate as to how many people that would be and how fast the whole city would shut down? I know the number is incredibly smaller than 1% of the population for the US, but anything higher than 500k would force street traffic to a halt and would also bring media coverage. It’s also incredibly hard to not notice that the front yard of
    the white house is covered in pissed of people who simply wanted to share what they had.

    I know we all want to maintain our lives as they are in the hopes of them never getting worse… The only problem is that our voices get muted this way. I think it might be time to put down our mice and start picking up rocks. Not only are OUR rights and freedoms being tampered with by proxy, but things that should NEVER have the power they do are refusing to evolve while others are going to extend their reign of monopolization. WE, the people of each of the countries imposing these injustices are just as responsible if we simply sit back
    and wait.

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  • nannasin smith

    this argument is utter bullshit.
    74HC595

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