i can see this working out nicely for fastcom =D

As for the general reaction… I'm not sure. Unfortunately most of the people I know personally who download music and such know how to get Kazaa-like programs and operate them, but don't understand them. Fewer still are aware that torrents exist. I think the implications of this decision by Eircom will go over a lot of average people's heads.

I would like to believe that this move by Eircom would cause an uproar (even though realistically Eircom has little option considering it was actively advertised it's services on the Pirate Bay and thus gave the record companies the leverage they needed to push this through) but I doubt that will be the case. We just don't have the same online social-networking culture here that many other countries have, and most people don't understand enough about what this all means to be worried about it.

Just goes to show, this will never work, there are some very good "back options" available that anti-p2p organizations will always be trying to play catch up with.

Stay safe people, and see you online ;)

The eircom SSID exploit has been around for quite some time now. Theres even little executables you can use from thumbdrives etc to give you the WEP key.

I'm Not an expert but think TPB was doing this.

Just my 2c

Personally, with all the PDFs and other documents i get every day I'm lucky if I keep 5-10Gb free, and 100KB/s upload is twice what my ISP offers at most. Such restrictions won't endear these sorts of networks to most people.

The best plan is actually to work for something like a large business or educational Institution, as they generally have self-controlled internet connections, or have special terms set down, as they are such big users.

I can, for example, use my university department as a proxy, or even VPN in securely and go about my business on there.

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Also it would be interesting to hear about what your perception is of public opinion generally regarding this deal.

The key figure you can use is the SLR or Seed to Leech ratio: this is obtained by dividing the number of seeds by the number of peers (or leeches). This is still highly unpredicatble but it's been shown that it's the best predictor of overall swarm speed.

As a general rule, anything over 1 is good.

If you have 500 seeds with 1000 peers, SLR = 500/1000 = 0.5. What this tells you is on average each seed will be uploading to 2 peers usually it's never that neatly organised though obviously.

(Add in the fact that not all bandwidth of each client is available due to multiple uploads and that peers who jumped in ahead get preferential treatment due to "tit-for-tat".)

If 500 seeds have 250 peers, SLR = 2, on average each seed can devote 2 upload slots to each peer.

Number of seeds is actually pretty meaningless: for example at one point I noticed GTA4 @ TPB had 1000 seeds with 75,000 peers. The swarm speed was not very fast as that is a terrible SLR and people waited days on end.

10 seeds with 2 peers, as illogical as it sounds, is, on average, going to be faster than the GTA example – given that they have the same speed connections & same upload settings – as the average of the 1000 seeds of GTA.<span class="idc-clear"></span>

The key figure you can use if the SLR or Seed to Leech ratio: this is obtained by dividing the number of seeds by the number of peers (or leeches). This is still highly unpredicatble but it's been shown that it's the best predictor of overall swarm speed.

As a general rule, anything over 1 is good.

If you have 500 seeds with 1000 peers, SLR = 500/1000 = 0.5. What this tells you is on average each seed will be uploading to 2 peers usually it's never that neatly organised though obviously.

(Add in the fact that not all bandwidth of each client is available due to multiple uploads and that peers who jumped in ahead get preferential treatment due to "tit-for-tat".)

If 500 seeds have 250 peers, SLR = 2, on average each seed can devote 2 upload slots to each peer.

Number of seeds is actually pretty meaningless: for example at one point I noticed GTA4 @ TPB had 1000 seeds with 75,000 peers. The swarm speed was not very fast as that is a terrible SLR and people waited days on end.

10 seeds with 2 peers, as illogical as it sounds, is, on average, going to be faster than the GTA example – given that they have the same speed connections & same upload settings – as the average of the 1000 seeds of GTA.

ISPs pay a data wholesaler for a certain amount of data at a fixed bandwidth: for example perhaps they pay for 40TB/month OR they pay for bandwidth with unlimited data.

Then they make this available for their customers. As data allowances go up, so does the price of the plan the customer pays, – BUT – the price per unit of data that the customer pays drops – until the "lowest" for uncapped plans.

So you might have this happening for example:

Mom & Pop pays $50 for 80GB/month
Heavy User pays $80 for 200GB/month

(this is the pricing of my ISP, http://www.tpg.com.au) They do not advertise the 200GB plan ever ;)

So from the ISP perspective: for a $50 plan they can have get $200 for 200GB
OR for the heavy user: $80 for 200GB.

Then you add in that heavy users are much more likely to be downloading large files in a constant stream: this means that less customers can be using the bandwidth concurrently with the same speed: or, in plain English, the network becomes congested faster.

ISP's make more money off casual users – most ISP's have the situation where a minority of users use 80% of network capacity. Many casual users in fact subsidise many fewer heavy users because they are paying (much) more per unit of data. Heavy users are (much) less profitable than casual users in greater numbers.

Now, I do agree that (in my estimation which is not from a very unformed point of view) ISPs would baulk at losing a huge swathe of heavy users all at once, however in a slow process where they could replace them with lighter users – it would be more profitable.

I pay 45$ plus the dry loop or 65$ with teksavvy

think bell canada as she is with and you would pay up to 100$ for what i pay for and you get capped at 100GB

So they are losing money all of these capitulating morons and there are way more downloaders then the above poster thinks

some stats from 2006 to 2005
Sept 2005 – 5.4 million using p2p
March 2006 – 9.8 million

go ahead and remove that form the money stream in a short period and poof goes the local economy OH wait that's india where there tech support is.
Be interesting when they start laying off call centers cause they dont have the cash to pay them what Indians think about down loaders then eh?

We have and always have footed the major chunk of hte bill.
GO ahead remove us …if you can.

It is impossible for them to say something along the lines of: X IP address was downloading/uploading file with Y hash.

The case of WiFi is different: they can say that X IP address was downloading/uploading file with Y hash.

Just goes to show, this will never work, there are some very good "back options" available that anti-p2p organizations will always be trying to play catch up with.

Stay safe people, and see you online ;)

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The problem with saying that boycotting ISP's works is that it doesn't – there are too many normal users out there, and they can easily hold the ISP's up even if every pirate disconnected for a day. Hell, it would probably be easier on their bandwidth too.

If the Irish Pirates want to get back at their ISP's, here's a thought – Utorrent + flash drives. Friends homes, family, enemies, cyber bars, hot spots, whatever. if it has a hookup to one of these guilt-before-accusation ISP's, set it up and start a download. They get a takedown, and get disconnected. Find ways to get lots and lots of people disconnected.

The collateral damage is what you are aiming for. Prove to the rest of Ireland, and the world, that these kinds of methods will only harm more than they help – its like using a nuke to take out a single target – how many other people will you drag down to catch one?

Its pathetic, one way or another.