Comments on: Why Are The IFPI and BPI Allowed To Hijack OiNK?

By: Haydar Dümen

Haydar Dümen — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:31:09 +0000

I wasn't aware that a private business is allowed to seize evidence in a criminal case, as seems to be the case with OiNK.cd. Under British law, it would be considered theft. If the record label is indeed controlling the domain, I believe that could also be considered tampering with evidence. www.haydardumen.us www.guzin-abla.com www.hardwareguidecenter.com www.geceleri.net

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By: TorrentValley Raided and Shut Down | CyberLaw Blog

TorrentValley Raided and Shut Down | CyberLaw Blog — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:17:24 +0000

[...] IFPI, an anti-piracy lobby group for the music industry has helped gathering evidence against OiNK as well, claiming it was a criminal operation where hundreds and thousands of dollars were made. [...]

By: TorrentValley Raided and Shut Down at IDTorrent Blog

TorrentValley Raided and Shut Down at IDTorrent Blog — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:12:36 +0000

[...] for the music industry has helped gathering evidence against OiNK as well, claiming it was a criminal operation where hundreds [...]

By: RIAA: Lobbyists or Law Enforcers? - Zwartbaard

RIAA: Lobbyists or Law Enforcers? - Zwartbaard — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:34:19 +0000

[...] the same. A raid is carried out, assisted by members of the local anti-piracy lobby group. From Oink, to The Pirate Bay, these raids are consistently getting assistance and ‘evidence’ from those [...]

By: RIAA: Lobbyists or Law Enforcers? | test

RIAA: Lobbyists or Law Enforcers? | test — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:38:09 +0000

By: RIAA: Lobbyists or Law Enforcers? at IDTorrent Blog

RIAA: Lobbyists or Law Enforcers? at IDTorrent Blog — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:43:36 +0000

By: RIAA: Lobbyists or Law Enforcers? | TorrentFreak

RIAA: Lobbyists or Law Enforcers? | TorrentFreak — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:54:22 +0000

By: IFPI Hijacks Pirate Bay Traffic | TorrentFreak

IFPI Hijacks Pirate Bay Traffic | TorrentFreak — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:34:29 +0000

[...] “hijacked” traffic from a torrent site. Last October they did the same thing with the OiNK domain. That instance was even worse, as they used the opportunity to threaten members of the BitTorrent [...]

By: OiNK's Bail Date Extended Yet Again by Police at IDTorrent Blog

OiNK's Bail Date Extended Yet Again by Police at IDTorrent Blog — Sun, 04 May 2008 08:31:53 +0000

[...] IFPI and BPI did not only feed the police “misleading” information, they also took over the OiNK.cd domain and displayed an ominous message indicating an investigation into the site’s [...]

By: OiNK's Bail Date Extended Yet Again by Police | ZB Weblog > Freedom!

OiNK's Bail Date Extended Yet Again by Police | ZB Weblog > Freedom! — Sat, 03 May 2008 01:36:05 +0000

By: IDTorrent Blog » Blog Archive » Police Extend OiNKâ„¢s Bail Date Once Again

Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:37:48 +0000

[...] IFPI and BPI did not only misinform the police, they also hijacked the OiNK.cd domain and displayed an ominous message indicating an investigation into the siteâ„¢s [...]

By: IDTorrent Blog » Blog Archive » Police Extend OiNKÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Bail Date Once Again

Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:13:49 +0000

[...] IFPI and BPI did not only misinform the police, they also hijacked the OiNK.cd domain and displayed an ominous message indicating an investigation into the [...]

By: Torrent God » Blog Archive » Police Extend OiNK's Bail Date and Returns Servers, Wiped!

Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:07:56 +0000

[...] IFPI and BPI did not only misinform the police, they also hijacked the OiNK.cd domain and displayed an ominous message indicating an investigation into the site’s [...]

By: Police Extend OiNK’s Bail Date and Returns Servers, Wiped! | TorrentFreak

Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:57:22 +0000

[...] IFPI and BPI did not only misinform the police, they also hijacked the OiNK.cd domain and displayed an ominous message indicating an investigation into the site’s [...]

By: Cringe

Cringe — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:05:25 +0000

It makes me cringe to read this pathetic joke supposedly meant to be journalism.

By: Reignman

Reignman — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:22:29 +0000

I always thought that stealing is when you take something and it’s no longer there in the original owners possession. How can making a copy of something be stealing, it’s like when you read a book at the library and you leave the book behind but carrying the story with you. The story is still in the book for anyone to share, but you have a copy of it in your head. It just can’t be stealing if the object is still there…

By: Pax Asiana » IFPI Controversially Shuts Down OiNK

Pax Asiana » IFPI Controversially Shuts Down OiNK — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:03:18 +0000

[...] As reported by TorrentFreak, people, including The Pirate Parties of the UK and the Netherlands, have condemned the IFPI’s actions in taking down OiNK as retaliatory since TPB is currently holding IFPI.com: [...]

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:59:35 +0000

[quote comment="195196"]As I said earlier, I’m sure nobody who downloads torrents would support legislation that protects the criminal who just broke into your house and stole 200 of the CDs that you bought with your own money. Because that is exactly what is happening with record companies; it’s just that the interests of record companies are protected under the law, and the interests of users who advocate free dessimination of intellectual property are not (currently) protected under the law.[/quote]
Show me a single person who no longer owns their music because I downloaded a _copy_ of it from OiNK. I might not notice if someone stole a copy of my 200 CDs, because I would still have the ones I bought.

By: The So-Called Brit Mk. II » Blog Archive » OiNK is dead. And OiNK is out of jail.

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:58:23 +0000

[...] the source of the leak, but it did distribute them very quickly and efficiently). More responsible/sensible sites reported these types of false information in the mainstream news and on the music industry [...]

By: fiction is lying. » Blog Archive » Bacon and how it’s (corn)fed to you.

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:33:49 +0000

[...] The law is the law…however, it still has yet to be broken. I’d explain this, but if you don’t believe me, you aren’t to be convinced anyway. They used to have these things in the world called revolutions. A huge mob of people would get together with farm tools and take back their land. These damned kids don’t feel entitled; they just know the system is outdated bullshit. And now, all they’ve lost is a significant number of .torrent files. That’s all. They could literally turn around right this second and put the data on another torrent site, and when that site is down tomorrow, another will replace it, ad infinitum. [...]

By: OiNK Domains Now Point To The Pirate Bay DNS | TorrentFreak

OiNK Domains Now Point To The Pirate Bay DNS | TorrentFreak — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:53:16 +0000

[...] this week we posted an article about the hijack of the OiNK domain by the police. To make things even worse, they did not just hijack it, but also [...]

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:06:37 +0000

So, I went to the “Cleveland Police” web site and see that the “report a crime online” link is down. Hmm, kinda makes me wonder why.

By: Oink??

Oink?? — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:29:18 +0000

I’m not an Oink user, to be honest I’ve never even heard of it and I doubt the majority of the population have heard of it either. Thanks to the RIAA I’m fully aware that file sharing is illegal and if I do it I will be fined and possibly sent to prison to share sunday dinner with the pedophiles and murderers. However I’m also aware that the RIAA & Co have recently been dealing some terrible hands, sending single mothers to court and suing them to till death, punishing the kids and now raiding homes and places of work… It appears that the RIAA is run just like the similarly named IRA via fear and aggression. I suspect that it’s only a matter of time before they start sending executive suicide bombers into the computer fairs.

This argument about Oink hosting content is also very dubious. I’m sure after a two year investigation it would be fairly obvious that it’s virtually impossible for a bloke to be hosting global severs with terabytes of data from his low-budget 1 bed flat in Middlesbrough??

If it were a proper operation, then it would be in a datacenter, run by teams of engineers, it would hold loads of hijacked music, and it would have a bus load of lawyers so you couldn’t get back your music and it would make hundreds of millions.

Oh wait a minute… that company’s called Myspace!

By: and yet another musician

and yet another musician — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:29:09 +0000

still another musician wrote:
“Let the products sell themselves / fuck advertising, commercial psychology / psychological methods to sell should be destroyed -d.boon”

Aw, c’mon, that’s just shit from an old notebook.

By: oinkybank.com?

oinkybank.com? — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:48:53 +0000

Domain name: oinkybank.com

Administrative Contact:

Mike Hall (email@oinkybank.com)
+1.5198903752
Fax:
635 Brenda Dr.
London, N5Y 4W7
US

Looks like an address from Ontario. Who is this scammer?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:05:24 +0000

[quote comment="195118"][quote comment="194808"][quote comment="194629"]

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:30:53 +0000

[quote comment="194920"]Now Alan (Oink) is being silent, which is expected in any sort of case like this.

I’ve been thinking about why the IFPI was allowed to hijack OiNK’s front-page, why he got out so quickly and why he hasn’t been charged with anything yet…..

Is there a possibility he just signed a piece of paper to allow them to do it?

LokiTorrent did it – now I know OiNK’s a good guy but if the police had my balls in a vice I’d soon sign anything they put in front of me.[/quote]

That is beacause you are LAME, and I am not talking about an encoder here.. Some peopel have balls, you have shown in the past with your actions that you don’t. Funny how many posts I see of yours in various forums and websites. You must be a real loser with nothing better to do. As you have said in other posts, you personally hacked Mr OINK’s server. Would not surprise me if you handed the information over to authorities, as I have heard that is the case. Why do you have to be such a schmuck? Nothing better to do with your useless life? I hope everyone in the P2P community sees you for what you are, a glory seeking LOSER.

By: still another musician

still another musician — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:34:21 +0000

Let the products sell themselves / fuck advertising, commercial psychology / psychological methods to sell should be destroyed -d.boon

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:04:36 +0000

[quote comment="194808"][quote comment="194629"]

The “law” applied to a website depends on the ground that the servers are on. And even in US there is no “clear violation of law” for torrent sites! there are plenty of US torrent sites, the only lawbreakers are the ones using the sites, not one hosting a site that does not contain copyrighted material. I do not know what lobby organisation you are from, but you clearly are brainwashed.

In the internet world, laws applied to users and websites depends on where they are located.
There are plenty of US torrent sites, it is not illigal to host a torrent site, and the servers do not contain copyrighted materials. Its the users of a site witch might be lawbreakers.

That does not give rights for private foreign influence to corrupt police and make them steal servers from them.
You have talked a great deal of stealing Mr. Lobby Dickhead, well your “heroes” just made the police steal servers in witch no copyrighted material is hosted on. Thats REAL stealing compared to the stealing you declare the world of doing without knowing anything about their laws.

Dont think noone knows who you are..[/quote]

I mean, no offense, but you really do not know who I am. I don’t post on other torrent sites. In fact I only started posting on this one today. There might be another Scott M, but trust me, I’m not him. I don’t represent any lobbies. If I represented a lobby, the last thing I would do is post on a torrent site with a bunch of people who have no influence over the law and no ability to change it as of yet. I download with torrents as much as the next guy actually. But that doesn’t mean that I am blinded to the fact that when I download copyrighted content, I am doing something illegal.

You’re right that I am from the U.S., but that really doesn’t change anything I have said. There are copyright laws in every developing country and they are quite similar to laws in the U.S. You’re completely right, and I agree, that it was wrong for the police to perform their investigations “on behalf” of the record industry, which is how I interpreted the story. But at the same time, it’s not wrong to shut down an operation if it is a violation of the law, regardless of if the laws protect record companies or protect citizens.

As I said earlier, I’m sure nobody who downloads torrents would support legislation that protects the criminal who just broke into your house and stole 200 of the CDs that you bought with your own money. Because that is exactly what is happening with record companies; it’s just that the interests of record companies are protected under the law, and the interests of users who advocate free dessimination of intellectual property are not (currently) protected under the law.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:10:33 +0000

When I first went to OiNK.cd and saw the frontpage I was just upset over the fact that my favorite site for the last year and a half was shut down. But the more I read this article and read some of the comments posted here, I am starting to slightly angry. I realized that I currently have 7 crates of vinyl records and in the past I owned about 200 cds. Countless times at parties while I was djaying or in my car a friend or an associate would ask me “who is that?” and the artist or group would have a new fan. Like someone said earlier, it IS art and it deserves to be shared, not marketed by some guy that doesn’t understand it. Maybe its just the music lover in me, but turning someone on to something new or watch their face light up is one of the bright spots of my day sometime. I went to OiNK several times to cop the single I heard on the radio or to find an artist I heard on an adult swim bump. I know record companies send out promos, but most of those things are garbage. Where do I go? I don’t download music because I’m trying to rip someone off, I download it because I love music. I’m upset that I’m going to miss out on my next favorite album because of this.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:19:41 +0000

just threw a few bones to oinkybank.com

By: Lyor Cohen Is A Cunt

Lyor Cohen Is A Cunt — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:53:40 +0000

I used to work in the music biz and it’s way moar ‘criminal’ than anything P2P is doing.

By: Ink

Ink — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:31:14 +0000

I don’t know doesn’t seem like a smart move to sign something that is practically a confession.
I wouldn’t do that – showing good will and all… but thats a bit much but then again I’m not a lawyer.

Imo he is still innocent he didn’t host anything and linking is not a crime for now so why let them harass my users?

By: FlacInHell

FlacInHell — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:29:14 +0000

Now Alan (Oink) is being silent, which is expected in any sort of case like this.

I’ve been thinking about why the IFPI was allowed to hijack OiNK’s front-page, why he got out so quickly and why he hasn’t been charged with anything yet…..

Is there a possibility he just signed a piece of paper to allow them to do it?

LokiTorrent did it – now I know OiNK’s a good guy but if the police had my balls in a vice I’d soon sign anything they put in front of me.

By: Strange Glue Music » Backlash Against File Sharers Continues

Strange Glue Music » Backlash Against File Sharers Continues — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:55:13 +0000

[...] TorrentFreak pointed out earlier today, the record label representatives IFPI and BPI, have changed tack, [...]

By: G.O.A.T.

G.O.A.T. — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:26:07 +0000

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:18:59 +0000

[quote comment="194629"]
There is a difference between net neutrality and net legality. The truth is that almost everything OINK was doing was a clear violation of the LAW, which is the social contract citizens make with the government in exchange for goods and services.
[/quote]
The “law” applied to a website depends on the ground that the servers are on. And even in US there is no “clear violation of law” for torrent sites! there are plenty of US torrent sites, the only lawbreakers are the ones using the sites, not one hosting a site that does not contain copyrighted material. I do not know what lobby organisation you are from, but you clearly are brainwashed.

[quote comment="194629"]
It seems you are suggesting “net neutrality” to mean that illegal actions should be defined as legal when they occur online.
[quote]
There are no illigal actions from what you speak of, the only illigal actions is taken by the sites users if they are on soil that forbids sutch actions. In the internet world, laws applied to users and websites depends on where they are located.
There are plenty of US torrent sites, it is not illigal to host a torrent site, and the servers do not contain copyrighted materials. Its the users of a site witch might be lawbreakers.

You are one of those idiots that think US laws apply to the whole world. You should stop posting on these sites, your idea of freedom is corrupted and you want to spread lies.
I would ban you in a second based on your posts on this and other sites.

Dont think noone knows who you are..

By: OiNK Bust Sparks Suspicion Of Crooked Cop Puppets - Global Grind: Culture

OiNK Bust Sparks Suspicion Of Crooked Cop Puppets - Global Grind: Culture — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:05:04 +0000

[...] or is OiNK in the same boat as T.I. where they simply just got caught doing something illegal?Read More at Torrent Freak Published Oct 24 2007, 05:53 PM by lhester Filed under: piracy, pirates, bittorrent, [...]

By: someone

someone — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:48:14 +0000

The Scene

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scene

By: guy

guy — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:32:38 +0000

what is “the scene”?

By: Onan

Onan — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:46:12 +0000

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:28:48 +0000

[quote comment="194618"]And about the upload amounts, I remember there were several users in the top ten with something like 20 terabytes uploaded and 5mb downloaded, I’d guess these would be the guys they’re going after. I don’t understand why users like that existed, seems a bit strange.[/quote]

I was happy to take the time to rip and share all of my OOP, rare albums with whomever would enjoy them. I don’t think it’s the amount that people uploaded so much as it is WHAT they uploaded. The pre-release leakers are no doubt in the crosshairs.

By: apekillape

apekillape — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:14:47 +0000

I agree with Mr Jones for the most part, in that the legal precedents and procedures on both sides need to be more closely examined and worked upon. Howsomever, it’s pretty shoddy work on both sides.

Every time something like this happens 3/4 (low-low estimate) of the filesharing community cries “ILLEGAL PIGS HAR HAR” when they have no idea what the hell they’re on about, really. The feds are no better, but they’re in power so who’s going to tell them otherwise?

The community needs some young Grisham-esque turk from within to step it up and defend people like Oink’s admin from a position of respectability, rather than just a lot of yelling and pouting as it’s been.

By: Scott M

Scott M — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:53:01 +0000

[quote comment="194675"]
Also wouldn’t the fact they waited until he was logged onto the site be intrapment too. The fact that they also had reporters and the “victims” along should be enough to get this case thrown out if criminal charges are brought.[/quote]

Wrong — police do this all the time by planting fake cars equipped with GPS and remote-locking doors where thieves steal them and then are caught a few minutes later. Entrapment would be if the police “forced” the thief to steal the car, in the same way that it would be entrapment if the police “forced” or “entrapped” him to sign onto the site, which they did not. He signed online at his own will.

Even so, in UK, entrapment cases are not required to be thrown out.

By: missing oink bad

missing oink bad — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:49:30 +0000

this sucks so hard. Oink was thee best website period. All you custys who couldn’t get in were never meant to. As for the people posting oink’s req. as being 1:1 get your head out of your ass and fuck off, no one wants to hear your uninformed, oblivious mouth flapping. Go back to your custy public trackers wankers!

By: Catfish

Catfish — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:47:58 +0000

>And about the upload amounts, I >remember there were several users in >the top ten with something like 20 >terabytes uploaded and 5mb >downloaded, I’d guess these would be >the guys they’re going after. I don’t >understand why users like that >existed, seems a bit strange.

I met a guy once through the internet who structured a good portion of his life around scanning in books and making free pdf versions of them available to people he met. I lost track of him regrettably, I would have liked to talk to him about OiNK now and see his thoughts…but the reason why he did all that, despite any legal issue, time issue, or whatnot, was that he felt it was his “dharma” to do so. I guess some people view things on a different level and see the dissemination of knowledge, arts and the like as a mission in life and worth the risks. Not to be corny, but sorta like robin hood stories…

By: Catfish

Catfish — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:42:26 +0000

I wish I knew how I could help.