Media companies buy politician’s votes, because they have money and influence.

They get money and influence from the people who consume their product.

Take away their market and they are no more. And how do we do this? Well stop supporting big labels and movie studios first of all. And if you know anyone else who does, introduce them to piracy.

Researchers from several Universities are currently working on a search technology that could make BitTorrent sites obsolete. While the idea of a completely decentralized filesharing network is not new, there are some downsides that are often overlooke…

http://tor.eff.org

http://www.i2p2.de/

It has always confounded me that the makers of the torrent lcients have some strange need to see ips like they from the outset are already too nosey.

then after making such a client tell everyone you have 2 days to update software and POOF banned all clients that read ips.

And Mininova shouldn’t be mentioned there since they don’t have a travker. Sumotorrents or Demonoid deserves mention more

The argument that private trackers are somehow safer falls flat anyway. What about Oink for one?

Assuming 1 AxxO movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:

5 years (2012) – We’ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!

10 years (2017) – We’ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies and 10.3 MILLION songs

15 years (2022) – We’ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! and 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)

20 years (2027) – We’ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES and 590 MILLION MP3s!

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By 2030, we’ll have every movie and song in the world stored on our freakin’ wrist watches!

For this to happen, it would require EVERY bittorent site to be running the SAME user interface, to share the SAME database, and to be operating as a PUBLIC tracker.

I somehow think this unlikely… even tho the software already exists.

The simple (as in “we already had it”) solution is this… create trackerless dht-enabled torrents, and have everyone switch to Azureus.
The distributed database therein will do the rest.

Actually, it’s possible to continue transfers while tracker are down since you get the complete ip list on the first request (announce).

DHT do a difference on many downtimes where some users have a more up to date client list.

Tracker are not interfering with the transfers (that’s why they can easily be spoof).

> Public sites are garbage anyways

Private trackers have ruined public sites because of ratio enforcement. Users upload to private trackers because they have to do, and public sites are left to deal with hit & runners.

So for example, let’s start thining of how to put this into practice. Let’s look at Demonoid and The Pirate Bay. Let’s also say we’re looking for a specific movie. As it is now, TPB may have 3 different torrents of that movie, and Demonoid may have 2. We consider this to be the hydra effect, since if Demonoid goes down, you can still find it on TPB. But that’s only good for torrents with many copies. What if it only exists on Demonoid and not TPB. What should happen in this example is when you search on TPB, you should find FIVE copies of this movie. The three it originally had, plus the two that were also on Demonoid. But all five are listed as being tracked on TPB’s tracker as well as Demonoid’s. At the same time, Demonoid will need to take in the three TPB torrents, adding them to its own. So on each site, instead of finding 3 or 2 results respectively, you find 5 on both.
Spread this concept across 10 trackers, and you’ve got yourself redundancy that can’t be crippled.

And shame on all you idiots who started this, by doing what you do here: Posting all the info anyone would ever need to learn everything about this technology, in, oh, about 3 minutes, on just about every public site in the world. Google: “keeping things underground and not opening your fat mouth”

You guys talk about laws? You really think the voters control anything? You won’t even know it when the Gestapo is knocking at your door. Sheep.

The corporations want to call you theives….. They’ve been stealing from you for decades, charging ridiculous amounts of money to justify their poor buisiness model, and the stupid industry it’s created. Actors getting paid 10′s of millions for movies that are horrible. “Artists” that make zillions off of complete garbage. They need to restructure their industry, not go after Johnny d/ling in his Mom’s basement.

I took my family to the movies this weekend. I spent $75. Fuck that. I have more fun at home anyway…. put a movie on the widescreen, turn up the surround… the kids, the old lady and I all get cozy on the couch, we really enjoy ourselves…. And the popcorn and soda doesn’t cost me $35.

Yep, BT will become obselete, eventually. But by then, we’ll be already on to the next phase. ;)
I don’t care, I’ll send burned copies in the mail if I have to, if I want to share, I will.

If a movie could be downloaded for free, but yet a copy at the store, would still be there? I think that people would STILL go for the copy of the movie at the store. This way you can watch it anytime on your DVD. Don’t stop the downloads. Work with them. Allow people to download the movie for free, with lets say 15min of commercials in one movie. I really don’t care about 15min that i get to go and do something else. Hell who cares if the commercials are towards the average BT user. You make money and yet save money with out the need for the big guns at the RIAA and the DMCA. Thats millions saved. And millions made in commercials that we can go and grab a cup of coffee at. Even if its advertising other movies. I think i would download the movie, with 15 min of ads, and 50 commercials on the website. Just not pop-ups. And the movie company’s would make bug bucks.

Sure, the speeds are great -if- you grab it within the first 24 hours of posting… but try that 6 months down the road and it’s a different story… even if that tracker is still around.

Do you know why most of the Demonoid torrents died when they went down? …it was because they were NOT dht-enabled… those that were survived.

Why do you think sites like TPB and Mininova are carrying the bulk of the index/tracking load? It sure isn’t because they’re private.

And as for clients… most of the ‘problems’ raised in this thread have already been addressed by Azureus…. dht (both native and mainline), ddb/magnet links and yes, torrent rating.

It’s time to wake up and smell the java.

If any one of you ‘lawyers’ actually invented something someone else profited from I’m sure your position would change quickly.

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Cheers!
Markos

http://www.ezee.se

If the people can’t get a grasp on the government and the lawmakers I think we should enact a worldwide civil war against everyone who is anti-p2p

That would be something like all of the american media companies and the anti p2p companies, the crooked cops and crooked lobbyists and judges that are ruling with iron fists against innocent taxpayers.

Call me radical I don’t care anymore, if there is a war I’m fighting in it, this is something worth dieing for, fuck terrorism I wanna fight for bittorrent!

Well, Gnutella is ok for one thing: downloading popular songs. The small files on 5mb or something. For movies, software etc. BT is best.

I think the filesharing community survives somehow.

i will never go back to unmoderated gnutella/FT/etc. network where there is no incentive to upload high quality files.

JJ
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

This is nonsense Ezzy.

Communities are the glue that bind the various file-sharing networks together but those communities are not blind or deaf, they are made up of like minded people who see key/important attributes in the file-sharing technology they operate.

Btw please stop the continual spamming or your application, I was going to look at it but since you have spammed it so heavily I feel your motives are in question and therefore your app is likewise suspect.

Protocol standards do not disappear so its simple to state bit torrent will still be here in 5, 10, or even 50 years, that’s not the point, evolution and mutation are the future.

Bit torrent has major privacy obstacles to overcome, those are the real obstacles to its progress, centralised or decentralised we see the same flaw throughout it architecture, as brahm stated its not designed for anonymity.

What I’m getting at is that while we need a new protocol its like holding on to a life raft on a sinking ship if you don’t recognise that its not going to be “bit torrent” per se, its likely to be a mash-up of other protocols best bits and that’s how it should be.

One such is used by Dargens http://www.Dargens.com .

It uses a tracker and BT type protocol but files are not linked to IP address and you can specify who you connect to. yet download from anyone on the network.

The fact is what make BT so efficient is not the technology but the community. Also, the fact you see what is available before you use the application.

In five years times BT will still be here.

I did not know this.

My thanks to these people.

there is no new protocol on the horizon

the changes to the protocol proposed by tribler are nothing more than a marketing move to create a protocol variant they can own and exploit for cash. unfortunate for them the give to get algorithm is flawed because in the most simple case it does not reflect asdl economics. the original tit for tat does

Ernesto is correct when he points to moderation as the glue that binds the communities to the sites, always the issue in p2p is moderation because the resource pool is so vast and chaotic

what the article misses is the LOUD fact bittorrent sites both private and public are COMMUNITIES. filesharing is an original social networking phenomenon, there lays the future

http://www.h33t.com

there is no new protocol on the horizon

the changes to the protocol proposed by tribler are nothing more than a marketing move to create a protocol variant they can own and exploit for cash. unfortunate for them the give to get algorithm is flawed because in the most simple case it does not reflect asdl economics. the original tit for tat does

Ernesto is correct when he points to moderation as the glue that binds the communities to the sites, always the issue in p2p is moderation because the resource pool is so vast and chaotic

what the article misses is the LOUD fact bittorrent sites both private and public are COMMUNITIES. filesharing is an original social networking phenomenon, there lays the future

Anyways, back on topic… I don’t think BT will bbecome absolete.. there is a reason why DHT is forbidden on some private trackers and there is a reason why people only go to private trackers. There are many reasons for this, some of them are the community feeling, less hit and runners and more possibility in getting what you want, better quality of that what you download, then there are also factors as a safer feeling, less change in your ip becoming public and there are many other reasons why I (and many others) wouldn’t easily go to a public BT site such as TPB or Mininova. That what the so-called researches are looking into is something from which I wonder if the people even want it coz something like that takes away a lot of things which many people like about BT.

Legislators favor the opinion of those that voted them in. They vote according to how they will get votes on their re-election campaign. If people care enough, the legislators will surely go against copyright as it is, or they will be voted out.

But in the end there are still other ways to circumvent such legislations, the important part is that we should start to ready ourselves for when that happens.