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Will ISP ‘Child Protection’ Website Filtering Hit File-Sharing Sites?

Today, UK media regulators launched ParentPort, a website which will allow parents to complain more easily about TV shows, adverts, products and Internet sites which they believe are inappropriate for their children. As part of the deal four leading ISPs will offer a porn-filtering service when new customers sign-up. But will file-sharing sites be censored too?

There can be little doubt that the architects of the ParentPort website have the best interests of children, the most important and vulnerable people in our society, at heart. That can only be a good thing – after all, we’ve all seen things online that we wished we could unsee. As adults, however, we hopefully have the experience to deal with the fallout.

But censorship is a thorny issue, especially when it is entrusted to faceless organizations who simply refuse to be held accountable.

As part of the ParentPort initiative, four leading UK ISPs – BT, Talk Talk, Virgin and Sky – have agreed to ask all new customers on sign-up whether they want explicit material viewable on their connections. Those who decline will face an “inappropriate image” blackout. This censorship, opted for by account holders and facilitated by the ISPs, will be carried out by systems already in place at the service providers.

Systems such as TalkTalk HomeSafe and Virgin Media Security Parental Control already offer subscribers the chance to block a range of sites, but the mandatory requirement to go through the process on sign-up is new. Since March 2011, BT has been offering its Family Protection filtering solution as part of its initial install process and has promised to remind its subscribers on a yearly basis that the service exists and can be activated.

But these systems don’t just censor adult content, they block a wide range of other sites including gambling and file-sharing sites, and its inevitable that some click happy parents will happily trust their ISP’s system to do a good job of blocking stuff they select.

Unfortunately, though, that faith will be completely blind. The blocklists used by the ISPs and other network operators (but not maintained by them) are unavailable for public scrutiny. We’ve asked for them on a number of occasions from numerous places and no one will hand them over. We don’t know for sure what the people behind them are so scared of, but we suspect it’s criticism.

So, considering the proprietary nature of these lists, how are we to know when mission creep sets in? How are we to know when someone, somewhere, decides that because a file-sharing search engine lists adult material, it should therefore be added not only to the file-sharing censorship list, but to the pornography list too?

Think that can’t happen? Think again.

As illustrated by our earlier article on the issue, if a customer decides to select the file-sharing category using TalkTalk’s system, they will no longer be able to access TorrentFreak, despite us being strictly a news source. The article you are reading now, which features the completely well-intended work of the ParentPort website, would be blocked, not because it carries pornography, but for a completely separate reason.

And consider this. According to the Daily Mail the ParentPort website and ISP filtering is just part of the overall initiative. Shops selling “overly-sexual clothes” such as “padded bikinis for seven-year-olds” and “billboards plastered with images of scantily-clad models” will also face restrictions

“There is growing concern about the impact on Britain’s children of adult images on the internet,” says the Mail.

Well let’s hope that future complainers to ParentPort concerned about their 8-year-olds on the Internet don’t take exception to selection of stories shown below taken from today’s Mail Online frontpage, or the faceless censors might get all click happy. Trust us, getting on these lists is easy, getting off is almost impossible.

DailyMail

Let’s protect our children and give them all the support in the world, but let’s do it in a transparent way that is open for discussion and improvement, devoid of the arbitrary decisions of the unaccountable. If parents are going to be encouraged to control what their kids do online, let them do it from an educated position.

When they choose to block a category of sites, show them the consequences of their decision. At least they won’t be surprised when the Daily Mail won’t load.

Or when their kids show them how to access it again.

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  • HiddenHigh

    I was just watching the news in the UK when a report about this came on… I think its stupid as hell “/ all its going to do is end up blocking websites that don’t need to be blocked.

    In schools when you have blocks on games and such… people don’t give up looking… they keep looking till they find one that works. How is this going to be any different?

    • jun2323

      Absolutely, filters are weak, and then when children get past them they get into trouble. It makes no sense to censor the world and pretend it doesn’t exist, then punish people who are smarter than you for calling your bullshit bluff. This is why our society sucks. We can’t handle the truth.

      • Anonymous

        Better still, when children get past them, they won’t get into trouble, unless their parents are as strict as the school at giving them a bollocking..

        • Jigsy

          >unless their parents are as strict as the school at giving them a bollocking..

          But that requires the parents to actually do their jobs as parents.

          Which is what they should be doing in the first place, instead of this “I don’t like my children seeing pornography because I’m a useless, lazy fucker who can’t watch my own kid for five minutes. Please ban these images. kthx~”

      • Anonymous

        Better still, when children get past them, they won’t get into trouble, unless their parents are as strict as the school at giving them a bollocking..

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      Censorship is always a bad idea.

      I grew up without it and my first PC game with the family PC was Unreal, I was 8 lol.

  • Twice Daily

    My tech savvy kid would just call up an online proxy and piss through this crap…
    They learn this much from their friends in school. It’s got to the point where she keylogs me for a laugh. Lol.

    • Josh C

      You have one cool kid XD

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I’ve already ‘phoned AND emailed my MP’s office today because I received this email from the UK’s Open Rights Group only a few hours ago (their timing sucks btw) – but note their PPS at very bottom of the email :)

    Dear Rob8urcakes

    Fantastic news: Julian Huppert MP has tabled amendments to the Freedom Bill to repeal the website blocking clauses of the Digital Economy Act.

    These amendments will be debated late this afternoon, and we need as many sympathetic MPs to be there as possible!
    Please phone your MP on 020 7219 3000 today, and ask for your local MP’s office, then tell them that:

    There is an important debate today to repeal section 17-18 of the Digital Economy Act’s and its dangerous website blocking powers through the Freedom Bill. Julian Huppert has tabled these amendments.
    The Digital Economy Act is a rushed mess. The powers are too broad and badly thought out. Even Ofcom says they aren’t practical to implement.

    Under the Act, sites would not need to infringe copyright – just be suspected that they will in the future. And even if a site removes all infringing content, then blocks may not be removed.

    New website blocking powers are not needed, as there are already powers in the Copyright Act (section 97a) to block sites that are proven, through the courts, to be infringing copyright.

    Remind them how important this debate is.
    This is a very important, simple action you can take to fight for your digital rights – please help us today!

    Thank you,
    Jim Killock
    Executive Director, Open Rights Group

    PS If you or your MP wants to know more, then read read this briefing

    PPS There have been dangerous suggestions this morning about inducing adults to live behind Internet censorware, in the guise of “child protection”. The devil is in the detail: read our blog for more details.

    • Anonymous

      I see you noticed this as well.

      The case is that last month those Lib-Dems decided to get serious on their electron promise and to repeal large parts of the Digital Economy Act. Now we come up to the first example of their actions.

      This one should pass easily seeing that disconnections are a human rights violation according to the United Nations and even the European Parliament/Commission have never approved of disconnections.

      Should this one pass as expected then we should see some following large charges. I am now happy after I moaned at the Lib Dems not too long ago for ignoring this election promise.

  • http://twitter.com/WillTovey Will Tovey

    The rumours going around are that this has been exaggerated by various parties involved, possibly as a way of pressuring the four ISPs into implementing this – which they don’t want to. The announcement also coincides with a meeting between Cameron and the Christian “Mothers’ Union” lobbying group this afternoon.

    http://www.slightlyrightofcentre.com/2011/10/industry-sources-isp-porn-filter-plans.html Has some more details on what may or may not be in this scheme, but for starters it doesn’t look like the system will be opt-out or opt-in; people will be given a free choice when they sign up – that’s all. The ISPs, quite rightly, recognise that this sort of thing is unlikely to be appropriate or effective anyway.

    On the plus side, if this does get implemented, we’ll just be giving children etc. even greater incentives to learn how to circumvent web-blocking and ISP-level censorship.

    • Anonymous

      As far as i have been able to figure out, blocking will be turned on unless you let your ISP know that you want to watch porn.

      Hello?
      Yes, hi female sounding person from my ISP.
      It’s me Mr. A. Non and i would like you to turn on the porn.
      Yes on the interwebs. Yes i understand that you will now have my name in a list of people that have their porn turned on. Sure i trust that you can keep this list safe from hackers.
      No, no kids yet. You?
      Yes, i will. Of course, lots of lotion, haha.
      You two!
      Bye

      • Danny

        You have been miss-informed. Most ISPs already offer this service and it is opt-in software. Also you can setup your ISP through the web now anyway so phoning up to get it turned off will be the stupid route.

  • Anonimoose

    I wonder how much the MAFFIA are going to be bribing these filtering companies.

  • Jeff Bekcer

    “kids” probably will be able to figure out the way around it is https.

    Protip: When “protecting the children” think about what the children will do in response.

    inb4 they take away that too.

  • Gargamel

    Long story short: You can’t stop the web so don’t try. People will find what they want to find.

    • Death

      Indeed, so, people, quit trying to censor! If anyone wants it, they will get it. Have we not learned this from our own experiences as younger people?

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    As long as there’s an opt-out.. I use OpenDNS anyways and I’ll just use their premium service if I need further protection. But kids ain’t idiots, they learn fast and DNS filtering can be circumvented. So in the end you just have to be a good parent and give proper care to your children by keeping an eye when they are online.

    It’s interesting, I’ve read Will’s comment and the Christian “Mothers’ Union” thing and it just amuses me that a group of ppl want to push laws and systems into me that I don’t agree with. Happens everywhere. For religious and/or economic reasons. Despicable.

    • Lynx

      Fully agree.. I also use OpenDNS because I’m to lazy (and my kids are still young enough) to rebuild my Dan’s Guardian machine.

      I believe it is up to the parents to protect their children from content on the internet, but at the same time, there are so many incompetent parents, that someone has to do something.

      As for the union thing.. Everyone always knows better than you. That is why the world is as screwed up as it is. Money is their king, and they don’t care who gets in the way.

    • Kr0nZ

      Soo true, if u really do care what your child does online you shouldn’t trust that responsibility to a corporation

      The best way is through education and just keeping an eye on what they do

      Also having torrentfreak censored as a filesharing site just proves how far this censorship scheme will go

      Reading this article makes me glad I no longer reside on the UK, I just hope Obamas puppet Harper, Canadas PM, doesn’t bend to the will of censorship

      • StevO

        well you they will. its just a matter of time

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  • http://twitter.com/DigitalJazz Allan Parker

    This is an opt-in service, its been widely reported as an opt-out service but this is incorrect. Users will have to sign up if they want porn blocked on their home connections. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15252128

  • Blah

    Filtering porn was also how China started their internet filtering…Just sayin!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      Yep. And it was super effective!

    • Jmorse43508

      China’s Great Firewall is easily circumvented by those who know how. Though I doubt you will hear much about it as it could get those that bypass the censorship possibly arrested and imprisoned.

  • guest

    What about proxies?

    • Lold

      What about VPNs and SSH tunnels?

      • Lold

        Almost forgot… what about TOR and I2P?

  • No one

    Now parents can continue being the good parents they are and trust their ISP will do the job of protecting their kids for them.

    Next on the block list: Facebook, because a child spends too much time there?

    • Kr0nZ

      No next on the list is a hot line that parents can call to see if their kids can do a certain thing or goto a certain place

      “hey mum can I go down to the chip shop?”
      “umm… One second, let me phone the ‘what my child can do’ hotline”

    • Ramon

      no hopefullly it will be blocked because of pornos

    • Mwhahahaha

      Actually you raise a good point with FB, I don’t go there much but I’d not be surprised to see a fair amount of close to the edge pictures of ladies (and men pretending to be ladies for their own odd reasons).

      Where does this filter draw a line? If we can’t see a naked bottom on there, or a partly naked bottom… are there any partly naked bottoms on FB? I’d bet there’s at least one (make your own “only arses go on FB joke here”).

      So now we’ll have a two tiered system? Sites that can threaten legal action against ISP blockages and those that can’t?

      Other thoughts.

      Will the filter stop you getting any results back from say a google image search for “Anne Hathaway + bikini”? Will google images be blocked just to be safe our children don’t see pictures of actual living flesh?

      I think my main view of it is that its utterly pointless, kids can and will work around it. Can they get their friends to email them torrent links to d/l mad crazy donkey sex? Can they log onto tor? Will anti porn sites be blocked cos they contain the word pornography every other sentence? Will most of news corpse be blocked?

      If not can be work hard to get most of news corpse blocked, and specifically the sun? I know seeing Page Three at an earlier age turned me into a homicidal maniac who keeps his victims breasts for trophies…

      As many people are pointing out, the responsibility lies with the parentsand there’s already things on the market to deal with this on a case by case basis. The generation who are having kids now are the first internet generation. They know what’s out there and what’s going on.

      Censorship is pointless and very rarely works. If you want to see something hard enough then you can see it.

      FInal point… as I’ve said before my formative fapping was often done to the shopping catalogues underwear sections, so by this logic will this blockage prevent you seeing any underwear selling sites what so ever?

      Its silly, its pointless, its a waste of time, money and resources, all to make the readers of the daily mail feel slightly happier with the world. Pornography doesn’t make you want to look at it, you want to look at it, so you go and find some.

  • a very concerned parent…not

    bbc ??
    mary whitehouse?? had a cock
    e i e i o
    you cannot stop the flow if shite
    e i e i o
    with a proxy here
    a proxy there
    here a new website there a new website
    go forth and censor at your peril
    and they’ll grab a mag downtown

    • Guest

      proxies sniffing your passwords and breaking SSL yo

  • Jimbo

    usual situation. the Mail condemns what happens on the ‘net, but wants to be able to continue to sell it’s own paper, as do others, that contain images similar to and often worse than what ‘kids’ would see there (unless specifically looking, that is). what restrictions are there to stop a 9 or 10 year old for example, from buying a so-called news paper? thought so, NONE! everything is about what can or cant happen, what should or shouldn’t happen, what should or shouldn’t be allowed via the Internet. nothing changes anywhere else. yet again, it’s a control thing and governments dont like what they cant control!

  • Anonymous

    And what if it auto-blocks a well-known file sharing site even if I explicitly allow my children to download songs & movies etc? …

  • Anonymous

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  • Kr0nZ

    Is The Sun newspaper page 2 girl still topless?

    If so are shop keepers going to ask if customers want it censored or not incase a child accidently opens your paper

    The shop keep is the service provider of thenewspaper, so it only makes sense that they have to abide by the same rules as internet service providers

  • Anonymous

    I would never approve of censorship on my connection for any reason. I have also seen such censorship before and I am well aware how it can be misplaced (sites wrongly blocked or valid sites not blocked), very incomplete (one site blocked but a dozen related other not) and how it can be easily bypassed.

    I think it is a generally bad idea for parents to be led into a false security that all bad things are now censored on their connection when they won’t be. Parents need to do their job and to keep an eye on what their kids are up to. I also do not believe that we should protect our kids from all the bad things in this world, when that is the nature of the world, but we should be on-hand on comfort them and to make sure that they correctly understand that it was bad people who did that.

    The Internet is just like real life and if they want to run about outside then you need to know where they are going. The only use such default censorship has would be for parents not doing their job, but then in that case their kids are going to get harmed anyway.

    Then at the end of all this we well know that such censorship will be misused to protect from copyright infringement and anything else some group or another disapproves of.

    • Anonymous

      If you want to protect your children, place your computer in the living room with the screen towards the couch so you can always see it. And most importantly, for the kids, be home, be there, for them.

  • Josh C

    When I have children, I’m not gonna trust some shady behind group who doesn’t even want to publish their block list for scrutiny to protecting my children. That has “stupid, lazy, incompetent” parent written *all* over it, and we don’t need anymore of those in this world -_-

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    We don’t need to protect children from sex and sexuality. I know that this will get me bashed upon, but the blunt fact is that children are sexual from birth and are interested in nude bodies in a sexual way quite early.

    I personally was interested in other children’s bodies in that way from 3, when my parents found me playing the doctor game with other children my own age, younger and old.

    Did they freak? No, they knew it was normal.

    • Guest

      Indeed, and censorship is never the solution for anything. It will solve no problems and create loads.

    • Anonymous

      I agree that if these small walking hormone explosions want to fap they should do so as much as they can. Wish i had interwebs at that age…

  • Me

    i also watched the news today which showed a kid of 8 on facebook.. thought that you had to be 13 at least to use that? think the parents should open their eyes and use the controls they already have not trust some ISP that does not really care as long as they get their money.

    parents get off your arses and sort out your own computers and use the parental controls dont just agree and let the government censor the internet!!

    bet these self same parents let their kids play 18+ games on their consoles too!!!

  • Guest

    Much better to teach the parents how to 1: Censor some parts of the web at router level 2: to keep an eye on there children while they are browsing.

    Just these two simple things will make things better and not cost the ISP’s anything

    • Guest

      If they need to resort to censorship to raise their kids they’re doing something wrong.

      • Mwhahahaha

        Like having kids in the first place?

        Soon ‘society’ will demand babies are blindfolded in the womb so they won’t get a glimpse of their mother’s vagina on exiting…

    • Guest

      If they need to resort to censorship to raise their kids they’re doing something wrong.

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  • Guesto

    “Getting on these lists is easy, getting off is almost impossible.” LMAO!!
    Instantly knew that enigmax was the author.

  • Guesto

    “Getting on these lists is easy, getting off is almost impossible.” LMAO!!
    Instantly knew that enigmax was the author.

  • Mwhahahaha

    Challenge: Can anyone thing of an historical precedent for censorship (or a prohibition) actually working?

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  • foff

    People who take this are s t u p i d s t u p i d s t u p i d. I have never worried about my kids and what they might see. I used to scour the car wash for playboys and there was no talk of carwash garbage can filtering devices. I grew up just fine. It is much better to educate then insulate your kids. Teach your kids self control give then a little moral guidance and they will be fine. I notice parents who rule like n a z i e s or ignore their kids have the most problems. My kids have sometimes made the wrong choices but I have tried to turn those times into teaching object lessons then pure punishment. Punishment combined with increased love will generate respect instead of hate and more bad behavior.

  • http://twitter.com/bbgameruk BBgamer

    This is another pointless waste of money by the UK gov. If parents really want their children not to see ‘inappropriate content’ on the internet, then they can go ahead and install some web filtering software, like ‘K9 web protection’ (Which is free, FYI) and/or just monitor them.

    This is just another lame excuse to install ISP web-filtering software so that the government can then begin censoring other websites, and since this is meant ‘to block inappropriate sites for children’, all the parents and adults will back the idea up.

  • http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

    Last pic:
    “Every single person is jealous of my body” LOL, better say “Not a single person is jealous of my body”, it’s so freaky for a woman to have muscles like that, it makes you ugly!

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  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    Hmmm. With something like this, I think that the ISP should put a control panel on, where you can choose which computers are censored, and so that you can enter a password to turn off the censorship.
    I understand why the ISP wouldn’t want to give out the block list; it’s because if they give out the sites, it may make parents want to go onto the bad sites with things like Child Porn and things like that. So I see why the lack of transparency here, but the lack of control panel, I don’t like. I think that it should be where there is a way for a parent to turn off the blocks. There should also be levels of blocking, like low, medium, and high, low only blocking porn sites, medium maybe blocking sites with porn and that may link to porn and such, and high blocking anything even with the vaguest links to porn sites, like links to filesharing sites where you might be able to get porn if you want. You know?
    Just a thought.
    I don’t like censorship, but if it’s optional, it’s okay I guess.

  • Jigsy

    So… how long until the list of blocked URLs gets leaked onto the Internets?

  • Anonymous

    anyone know the outcome of the debate on UK DEA repeal yesterday?

  • rocksoccer

    When I got contract from O2 UK, the mobile internet also had the so called adult filter. In fact many of the download linking websites are blocked for the reason of being related to adult websites.

  • Danny

    I can’t remember the last time I clicked on a link and accidentally got porn. The only time I get porn on the net is when I look for it and if the kids are looking they will find ways to get it.

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  • Jigsy

    Oh, I’ve just remembered.

    China called; they want their moral high ground back.

  • Lardilicious

    this is nothing more than posturing from a weak government trying to steer public eyes away from the sleaze going on and the highest levels of youth unemployment in 17 years, but as the great patronising one baroness varsi once said and i quote “unlike labour, the tories do god”
    bring it on b’yatch, god botherers are now the minority in the UK and gone are the good old bad old days where us peasants knew our place

    • Piers Fambely

      “god botherers are now the minority in the UK”

      This is one of the things that really annoys me, we all know that the majority of people in the UK are simply not religious. Sadly if you ask people what religion they are 75% (or whatever) say Christian, even though they simply are not.

      They don’t go to church ever, they don’t prey, they don’t have beliefs that would be in fitting with Christian beliefs…sure they give each other gifts Christmas and Easter but that has nothing at all to do with religion.

      If proper research was done I wouldn’t be that surprised if there were more Muslim people in the UK than actual Christians.

    • Piers Fambely

      “god botherers are now the minority in the UK”

      This is one of the things that really annoys me, we all know that the majority of people in the UK are simply not religious. Sadly if you ask people what religion they are 75% (or whatever) say Christian, even though they simply are not.

      They don’t go to church ever, they don’t prey, they don’t have beliefs that would be in fitting with Christian beliefs…sure they give each other gifts Christmas and Easter but that has nothing at all to do with religion.

      If proper research was done I wouldn’t be that surprised if there were more Muslim people in the UK than actual Christians.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

    a few years back I was a kid, if I was supposed to important, why would you deny me access to any possible information I might consider usable to answer whatever questions I might have?
    oh yeah because you don’t want me to know the truth, you want me corrupted into your way of thinking so I won’t ever learn the truth… luckily, I was smarter than that..

  • Piers Fambely

    Well I for one think this is a great idea, I’ve got a couple of kids & they keep doing things they shouldn’t be doing and this will certainly help.

    It’s not like you can control what your kids see after all. It would be completely unreasonable to expect parents to have to make sure their kids are not looking at inappropriate things on the internet. They have smartphones and computers in their bedrooms it would be impossible to do.

    Next you’ll say that parents should be responsible and look after their kids & take an interest in what they are doing…how dare you!!

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