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		<title>By: web design</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-519019</link>
		<dc:creator>web design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... lemme guess before reading the article... no?

I was right! It won&#039;t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; lemme guess before reading the article&#8230; no?</p>
<p>I was right! It won&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Usenet fails</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-518226</link>
		<dc:creator>Usenet fails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing against usenet, I just know that some ISP&#039;s throttle the NNTP bandwidth. Using charter you can only receive news at around 15KBps no matter what connection packagae you purchase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing against usenet, I just know that some ISP&#8217;s throttle the NNTP bandwidth. Using charter you can only receive news at around 15KBps no matter what connection packagae you purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: Using The New UDP BitTorrent To Dodge ISP Throttling - Looking more closely at works, and what won&#8217;t&#8230; &#124; Voip Blog</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-518097</link>
		<dc:creator>Using The New UDP BitTorrent To Dodge ISP Throttling - Looking more closely at works, and what won&#8217;t&#8230; &#124; Voip Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hyperbolic tirade by Richard Bennett that garnered the Register oodles of hits last week as outlet after outlet pointed out that Bennett was wrong. Bennett&#8217;s primary goal was to use the uTorrent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517824</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet crash and burn ?  someone has been watching south park lately :P</description>
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		<title>By: Krazi&#8230;. &#187; Will uTorrent Really Kill the Internet?</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517651</link>
		<dc:creator>Krazi&#8230;. &#187; Will uTorrent Really Kill the Internet?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517325</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least Richard Bennett has a point in so far that a massive roll-out of a flawed UDP-based protocol could cause severe congestion issues. Part of the problem is exactly that uTorrent has so many users, probably more than the largest botnet.

The only interesting feature of UDP I&#039;d care about is that UDP hole punching makes it possible to connect two peers behind routers (often mislabeled as &quot;firewalls&quot;) by help of a common third peer. This requires no relaying. LimeWire does it and it sure helps. It&#039;s one of the Gnutella features that still puts most other P2P protocols to shame because those support at best inefficient relaying.

For this reason alone, TCP over UDP would be an excellent idea because it&#039;s well-known and well-understood. At least it&#039;s much better than inventing your own TCP-like protocol unless you know exactly what you&#039;re doing. No sorry, BitTorrent isn&#039;t anywhere near as complex as to be an automatic qualification.

The internet wasn&#039;t designed to survive a nuclear war. That&#039;s urban legendary bullshit. It was designed to support alternative routes for redundancy and reliability. Nothing more, nothing less. In reality most routes are anything but redundant nowadays.

Most of the commenters here should do themselves a favour, drink a warm cup of STFU and read upon TCP/IP before they even dare to open their uneducated mouths in this context. Really, the level of retardedness in most comments here isn&#039;t funny anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least Richard Bennett has a point in so far that a massive roll-out of a flawed UDP-based protocol could cause severe congestion issues. Part of the problem is exactly that uTorrent has so many users, probably more than the largest botnet.</p>
<p>The only interesting feature of UDP I&#8217;d care about is that UDP hole punching makes it possible to connect two peers behind routers (often mislabeled as &#8220;firewalls&#8221;) by help of a common third peer. This requires no relaying. LimeWire does it and it sure helps. It&#8217;s one of the Gnutella features that still puts most other P2P protocols to shame because those support at best inefficient relaying.</p>
<p>For this reason alone, TCP over UDP would be an excellent idea because it&#8217;s well-known and well-understood. At least it&#8217;s much better than inventing your own TCP-like protocol unless you know exactly what you&#8217;re doing. No sorry, BitTorrent isn&#8217;t anywhere near as complex as to be an automatic qualification.</p>
<p>The internet wasn&#8217;t designed to survive a nuclear war. That&#8217;s urban legendary bullshit. It was designed to support alternative routes for redundancy and reliability. Nothing more, nothing less. In reality most routes are anything but redundant nowadays.</p>
<p>Most of the commenters here should do themselves a favour, drink a warm cup of STFU and read upon TCP/IP before they even dare to open their uneducated mouths in this context. Really, the level of retardedness in most comments here isn&#8217;t funny anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: zarathustra</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517302</link>
		<dc:creator>zarathustra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #29:

(i) I get full-throttle NNTP access completely &#039;free&#039; from my ISP, just for being a customer (how kind of them).
(ii) You&#039;re (probably) on a pay-to-leech private tracker.
Ergo, (iii) Who&#039;s the one violating the &#039;sharing is caring&#039; ethic then whining about piracy here (TINH)?



*COUGH* What Am I saying?!?1! Forget that, definitley_don&#039;t_ Google NNTP/Usenet/News Servers. There&#039;s &quot;NO SUCH THING&quot;(TM)

Stick to torrents - they&#039;re way cooler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #29:</p>
<p>(i) I get full-throttle NNTP access completely &#8216;free&#8217; from my ISP, just for being a customer (how kind of them).<br />
(ii) You&#8217;re (probably) on a pay-to-leech private tracker.<br />
Ergo, (iii) Who&#8217;s the one violating the &#8217;sharing is caring&#8217; ethic then whining about piracy here (TINH)?</p>
<p>*COUGH* What Am I saying?!?1! Forget that, definitley_don&#8217;t_ Google NNTP/Usenet/News Servers. There&#8217;s &#8220;NO SUCH THING&#8221;(TM)</p>
<p>Stick to torrents &#8211; they&#8217;re way cooler.</p>
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		<title>By: pfhmag &#187; links for 2008-12-02</title>
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		<dc:creator>pfhmag &#187; links for 2008-12-02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will uTorrent Really Kill the Internet? &#124; TorrentFreak (tags: uTorrent) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Broadband Politics &#124; Reaction to BitTorrent story</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517216</link>
		<dc:creator>Broadband Politics &#124; Reaction to BitTorrent story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Slyck, DSLreports, TorrentFreak, Ars Technica, Icrontic, Joho the Blog and TMCnet, GigaOM, Industry Standard, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517208</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$hit, I know torrent will kill every single site imagine if there were no torrent site!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://imageneva.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;upload bebo&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$hit, I know torrent will kill every single site imagine if there were no torrent site!</p>
<p><a href="http://imageneva.com" rel="nofollow">upload bebo</a></p>
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		<title>By: iwa</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517196</link>
		<dc:creator>iwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am actually very sceptic about how UDP will work better than TCP for BitTorrent. But I will love to see how it works out and I hope it works.

It does make some sense with stable connections, but stuff get lost and corrupted on the Internet, add wireless to that or maybe a slightly fault router/switch/modem/network adapter that a lot of people have but don’t know because TCP mostly takes care of it and it will likely be a lot slower and more wasteful. Maybe using TCP as a backup for connections that is problematic make it all good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am actually very sceptic about how UDP will work better than TCP for BitTorrent. But I will love to see how it works out and I hope it works.</p>
<p>It does make some sense with stable connections, but stuff get lost and corrupted on the Internet, add wireless to that or maybe a slightly fault router/switch/modem/network adapter that a lot of people have but don’t know because TCP mostly takes care of it and it will likely be a lot slower and more wasteful. Maybe using TCP as a backup for connections that is problematic make it all good.</p>
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		<title>By: Yatti</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517190</link>
		<dc:creator>Yatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely trying out the alpha version...</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517178</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TCP/IP suite is designed for communication ( Natural behaviour! ) capable of surviveing nuclear attacks.

I wish them luck destroying it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TCP/IP suite is designed for communication ( Natural behaviour! ) capable of surviveing nuclear attacks.</p>
<p>I wish them luck destroying it!</p>
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		<title>By: Pirate</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517176</link>
		<dc:creator>Pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These ISPs should increase their bandwidth to support our illegal activity!!!1 

What&#039;s the hold up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These ISPs should increase their bandwidth to support our illegal activity!!!1 </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the hold up?</p>
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		<title>By: banderas</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517174</link>
		<dc:creator>banderas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only way people are going to buy games is if the lower down the price!
c&#039;mon 60$ for a game? if it was 30$ i would buy more games, just like the dvd&#039;s should be 10$.
the publishers say that they won&#039;t lower down the price because of piracy, they should try to low the price for 6 months and see the results.

until then... ahoy! pirates!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only way people are going to buy games is if the lower down the price!<br />
c&#8217;mon 60$ for a game? if it was 30$ i would buy more games, just like the dvd&#8217;s should be 10$.<br />
the publishers say that they won&#8217;t lower down the price because of piracy, they should try to low the price for 6 months and see the results.</p>
<p>until then&#8230; ahoy! pirates!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@26

AFAIK, NNTP goes over a TCP connection as well, there&#039;s a difference between application protocols and transport protocols.

And it really isn&#039;t worth paying money just to get maybe a 10% faster download, if that. Save your money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@26</p>
<p>AFAIK, NNTP goes over a TCP connection as well, there&#8217;s a difference between application protocols and transport protocols.</p>
<p>And it really isn&#8217;t worth paying money just to get maybe a 10% faster download, if that. Save your money.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment: &quot;Some people shouldn’t be allowed to say what they think. They’re just plain stupid and does not contribute with anything constructive to this debate&quot; is the most stupid thing on here. 

I&#039;m actually glad that morons - such as this commenter - are able to let the world know how moronic they are. I don&#039;t want them to shut up. I want everyone to know their moronic thoughts. That way everyone else can know never to allow them to be in charge of anything outside of their basement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment: &#8220;Some people shouldn’t be allowed to say what they think. They’re just plain stupid and does not contribute with anything constructive to this debate&#8221; is the most stupid thing on here. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually glad that morons &#8211; such as this commenter &#8211; are able to let the world know how moronic they are. I don&#8217;t want them to shut up. I want everyone to know their moronic thoughts. That way everyone else can know never to allow them to be in charge of anything outside of their basement.</p>
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		<title>By: Major Wang</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517157</link>
		<dc:creator>Major Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Smith, lots of people read Slashdot: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046869&amp;cid=25944449

I like the sound of this.  Anything with the potential to limit the ability for 3rd parties to control, which invariably leads to abuse of power, is a good thing in my eyes.  If you allow for controls to form your freedoms are screwed unless in perfect alignment with the controlling powers.

Or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Smith, lots of people read Slashdot: <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046869&amp;cid=25944449" rel="nofollow">http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046869&amp;cid=25944449</a></p>
<p>I like the sound of this.  Anything with the potential to limit the ability for 3rd parties to control, which invariably leads to abuse of power, is a good thing in my eyes.  If you allow for controls to form your freedoms are screwed unless in perfect alignment with the controlling powers.</p>
<p>Or something.</p>
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		<title>By: piguglyness</title>
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		<dc:creator>piguglyness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A FUD war is Like a Jihad only with FUDS.

The hole world is full of nonsense and the internet just makes my brain hurt.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A FUD war is Like a Jihad only with FUDS.</p>
<p>The hole world is full of nonsense and the internet just makes my brain hurt&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Phishybongwaters</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill-the-internet-081201/#comment-517148</link>
		<dc:creator>Phishybongwaters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torrents have had the ability to use UDP for awhile now, piratebay is a good example supplying tcp and udp based torrents.

Reducing overhead will help congestion not cause it.  Bittorrent is taking the lions share of bandwidth, but that&#039;s not at the expense of other programs or protocols, it just shadows peoples habits, more users use bittorrent, simple as that.

This guy is indeed a joke and apparently doesn&#039;t have a basic grasp of the technology he&#039;s talking about let alone torrents.

UDP was NOT designed with voip in mind.  The protocol was designed in the late 70&#039;s early 80s for christ sake.

UDP is a perfect fit for torrents.  UDP does not provide reliability or integrity options, it merely chunks and sends data, assuming  the application using the protocol is handling error checking and sequencing.  Torrents use a built in hash check for error checking, and using TCP is a waste, as UDP seems to fit right into torrents.

To help this jackass get a grasp of this......

UDP would be smaller packets than the same transfer over TCP as UDP uses less bits, simple as that.

The traffic is going to change protocols, it&#039;s not going to shrink or grow by any large margin, it&#039;s merely going to use the most efficient method of delivery for torrented content.  

If IPS&#039;s would simply adopt the torrent model into some of their hosting services, we&#039;d see large increases of bandwidth across the board.

Then again, if these telcos used the money they earn selling their service to actually maintain and upgrade their network like the are supposed to, non of this would be a concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torrents have had the ability to use UDP for awhile now, piratebay is a good example supplying tcp and udp based torrents.</p>
<p>Reducing overhead will help congestion not cause it.  Bittorrent is taking the lions share of bandwidth, but that&#8217;s not at the expense of other programs or protocols, it just shadows peoples habits, more users use bittorrent, simple as that.</p>
<p>This guy is indeed a joke and apparently doesn&#8217;t have a basic grasp of the technology he&#8217;s talking about let alone torrents.</p>
<p>UDP was NOT designed with voip in mind.  The protocol was designed in the late 70&#8217;s early 80s for christ sake.</p>
<p>UDP is a perfect fit for torrents.  UDP does not provide reliability or integrity options, it merely chunks and sends data, assuming  the application using the protocol is handling error checking and sequencing.  Torrents use a built in hash check for error checking, and using TCP is a waste, as UDP seems to fit right into torrents.</p>
<p>To help this jackass get a grasp of this&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>UDP would be smaller packets than the same transfer over TCP as UDP uses less bits, simple as that.</p>
<p>The traffic is going to change protocols, it&#8217;s not going to shrink or grow by any large margin, it&#8217;s merely going to use the most efficient method of delivery for torrented content.  </p>
<p>If IPS&#8217;s would simply adopt the torrent model into some of their hosting services, we&#8217;d see large increases of bandwidth across the board.</p>
<p>Then again, if these telcos used the money they earn selling their service to actually maintain and upgrade their network like the are supposed to, non of this would be a concern.</p>
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