If so how did you aproach the letter as it states you have 21 days to sort it out.

musicman123

(2 weeks to read, almost there)

That’s disgusting…

I find piracy extremely interesting because it’s an anomaly in the economic system..

yea sure the handfull of greedy multimedia companies could be a little more alturistic and leverage digital mediums more efficiently and give the consumers what they want, but your looking at low margins no matter how you slice it…

and yea a download doesn’t equal a lost sell but somehow these companies need to make money… they of course are making plenty of $$$, but the argument is valid nonetheless…

it an anomaly that can NOT be solved in any ethical or reasonable manner given the way our outdated and inherently corrupt economic system has been designed and evolved over the years

it’s not an issue of who is right or who is wrong it’s an issue of freedom. it’s either a system of total control (economic, govt, religion, ect) or freedom.

being wage-slaves is not freedom…

you never question money, it’s purpose, or it’s power, and those who do are labeled as communists, fascist, conspiracy theorist, ect because what are the the alternatives?

I find it interesting that ppl on both sides of the argument for the future are so convinced
that humanity need some kind of complex system and all of these rules and regulations when the very nature of these systems are really about freedom vs control.

Yeah, follow through with threats is exactly what the world needs! Lawyers should be relocated to the bottom of the oceans.

“When you take something you should pay for, but don’t pay for it, you’re stealing. Full stop.”

You think you can turn bullshit into reality by adding “full stop” after it? Hmm. Let’s see..

All cats are green. Full stop.

…Nope. My cats didn’t just turn green. Sorry, it looks like it doesn’t work. Your definition of stealing is still completely ridiculous bullshit. Following it with “full stop” fails to make it true.

BTW I like the irony of a liar lecturing people on morality.

When you say something you know isn’t true, but say it anyway, you’re lying. Full stop. You can try to find clever ways of renaming what you’re doing as “misinforming”, “fibbing”, or “omitting the truth” if that makes you feel better about being a liar, but at the end of the day you’re deciding you are going to lie, despite the fact that the person you’re lying to doesn’t believe you and just wants you to tell the truth. And that’s not right. End of story.

If you’re going to lie, go right ahead, but understand that no one but other liars like you buy your self serving arguments for why it’s ok to lie to people.

A movie which exists as digital data has no physical property rights no ownership and cannot be stolen.

If you’re going to steal things, go right ahead, but understand that no one but other thieves like you buy your self serving arguments for why it’s ok to take things that don’t belong to you.

Where do we go to download the free Ferrari?

No, I wouldn’t steal a Ferrari but if someone was to make a perfect copy and deliver it to my home for free i’d gladly drive that!

“If copying isn’t stealing then copying money should work by the same standards right…”

This is the basic logical fallacy that is founding this entire debate. If you copy money you lessen the value of other money. If I steal your bike, you no longer have a bike and your net value, again is lessened. If I do not intend to buy a cd, but download it because its free, you lose absolutely nothing; even though I gain something. We look at lose/gain, lose/gain, and nothing/gain scenarios. The thing that pisses everyone off here is that these companies have lost nothing in most cases, but feel they are entitled to something. If you want to talk about people who used to buy cds but now don’t, thats another story, but as for me I wouldn’t buy shit for music or movies unless I’m exposed to them, and the radio just isn’t cutting it.

havee u not read the other 80 something posts? just because somethin is free doesnt make it stolen

by ur logic, dasani can sue me for drinking tap water, and not giving them money for copyrighted water

the word stealing means>
To steal; to deprive someone of something without permission. Must leave victim without item.

http://www.salon.com/technology/feature/2000/06/14/love/print.html

Carpooling is killing gas station profits.

Hybrid cars are killing gas station profits

Going green is killing the lumber industry

yeah! this story has entered the popular today section on popurls.com…

Home Sleeping is killing Hotels.

It seems that the industry is hurting not because of pirates, but because they can’t find a way to sell me something I don’t want.

If the RIAA, et al, wish to say WE are hurting artists… they’re just being hypocritical shitheads.

Maybe, Leanne, the fact that most artists make far more from merchandise and gigs is why we have little sympathy for the pathetic victim-mentality of the recording (duplication) industry.

Leanne, if I was to give 3 cents to every artist for every track of theirs that I have in my posession, thereby giving the artist more than iTunes would… how would you regard my actions of copying then?

or do you sympathize with record labels too for all their “hard work”? ;P

What is the difference in value of a bank account and intellectual property?

A bank account has direct value defined and guaranteed by the government.

Intellectual property value is the monopoly to copy or use defined and guaranteed by the government.

Intellectual property law creates monopolies. Monopolies are anti-competitive, benefit fewer people, restrict derivative products from production and are bad for society.

Interestingly enough, I went to an art institute this past weekend. People were there with cameras taking pictures. It seems reasonable enough to us that they should be able to do that, but they’re only allowed to do it because visual artists don’t have a 4 letter organization similar in dysfunction to the MPAA or the RIAA. Not yet anyway…

@Trollanne

Trolls are amusing only in as far as they are misinformed. The facts are that the industry likes to screw both ways, producers and consumers. As much as anti-piracy organizations and politicians like Biden want to make it so, piracy isn’t theft. It’s not depriving you of any physical assets that you once owned.

It’s merely looking at a file, a series of bytes, a stream of 0s and 1s, telling someone else that exact pattern, and having them write the order down to their hard drives. In the abstract, it is absurd to claim that it is illegal for you to tell a friend or anyone you know a certain arrangement of numbers. That’s all a file is, a sequence of numbers that represents a meaning, but still numbers no less. Let’s ban the exchange of numbers over the internet. That’ll solve the problem.

Digressing, the whole issue isn’t theft anyway, it’s the violation of copyrights. Copying ain’t stealing, but it can potentially infringe upon another’s copyrights. The copyright system, for all it’s worth, more or less deserves to be infringed upon. It’s an outrage to our culture and collective intelligence. 95 years on most work, and sometimes 120 years when corporations are involved, is several lifetimes too long (this is all for the US btw). Read up on how copyright has progressively grown past its original intention into something monstrous and awful. “securing for limited Times”, lol, if only the founders could see us now.

From an ethical point of view you can actually copy money as long as you don’t use them in exchange for goods, aka buying, maybe as a toilet paper instead that’s fine. The same logic goes to pirating for personal use but not for profit which seems unethical

See the similarity?

so, trollANNE, it has come to our attention that you arent aware of what the “industry’s” main argument against file-sharing is. i can help. the basis of their claim is that one shouldn’t GET to see their works without paying to see them. unfortunately for them, that is the
reason that their argument is invalid. because for several decades now it has been easy for people to lend books and things. people that didnt pay. by the industry’s logic, if you come to my place and watch a movie, then they should have got some money from me AND you. this doesnt happen because the concept is ridiculous.

if i take a picture of a painting, without buying it, am i stealing it? for you, because i know you are dense or stupid, i will tell you the answer: it is NO.

Sooner or later the media industries will realize that if they were to open sites that you pay a small fee for they can make millions if they offer their full collections.

until then you gotta stick with private sites.

check out

http://www.seed-bytes.com

for one of those smaller private ones with good stuff. They have tons of HD material and are currently free leech and open signup

“I get called a label or movie studio troll because I bring a different viewpoint?”

Hahaha, thanks for confirming that you’re MAFIAA troll.

They’re only ones who ever – and I do mean EVER – pull out the “you’re calling me a troll because I have a different opinion!” strawman when people start ripping apart their bogus logic on Torrentfreak.

Speaking of which, the reason you’re *correctly* being called record label/movie studio troll is because you’re repeating pro-industry fallacies and pretending they’re true. Even though they’ve been demonstrated to be false.

@Trollanne
“Illegal filesharers do profit from their theft ”

See? Filesharing isn’t theft, first of all, so that’s one major fallacy right there. Second, *not spending money* doesn’t count as making a profit by any definition of the word ‘profit’, ever. That’s another major fallacy right there, and also pretty hilarious one.

@Trollanne
“I am with Chris”

You probably *are* Chris.

@Trollanne
“artists and moviemakers don’t ask for their hard work to be stolen”

Umm… Yes. And since filesharing isn’t stealing, what exactly is your point here…?

Oh, right. Your point is to lie and hope somebody reading your comment is gullible enough to really believe it.

@Trollanne
“Isn’t illegal filesharing a deceptive practice”

No.

@Trollanne
“you are all worried about getting caught and go to such extremes to remain hidden”

*Some* paranoid filesharers are worried about being caught despite the odds being so absolutely, mindbogglingly low that they ever will be in their entire lifetime. So they pay somewhere around $5 a month for a VPN service.

Pretending a few bucks for VPN is “going to extremes” makes me laugh.

@Trollanne
“which says to me that you know it isn’t right to swipe an income from hardworking artists”

To prove that filesharing deprives income from hardworking artists, you first have to prove that filesharers would’ve *bought what they downloaded* if filesharing wasn’t available to them.

You, of course, have not proved this.

The whole concept of “downloads equal lost sales!” is perhaps the copyright cartel’s biggest fallacy of all, especially when you consider how the movie and music industries keep posting record profits year after year, all the while screaming like stuck pigs about how filesharing really “killing” them, which it obviously isn’t.

Now, are you going to apologize for lying through your teeth to all the nice people on Torrentfreak? I doubt it. MAFIAA trolls like you love to preach about morals and honesty and whatnot, while you obviously don’t actually have any yourself. That’s why you decided to become a MAFIAA troll to start with, amirite?

Consumables like a glass of beer or an icecream costs way more than 99 cents each – 99 cents a song is not a lot to ask but it cannot compete with free and that is the harm being done.

I am done expressing my different opinion or trolling as it is being labelled here. Leanne

Consumables like a glass of beer

Fuck ‘em, feed em fish heads. They deserve less…