BitTorrent Comic Tracker Re-Opens Despite Marvel and DC Threats

Written by enigmax on November 24, 2007 

The Z-Cult FM comic book tracker has re-opened despite threats from Marvel and DC comics. “Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America” they told TorrentFreak. As comic publisher SLG comes out in support of this torrent site, Z-Cult restarts its trackers.

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A few days ago we reported on the legal pressures being experienced by the Z-Cult FM comic tracker. At the time, site admin ‘Serj’ explained: “We got legal letters from both Marvel and DC Comics who have been working together to send us these legal threats. We are currently dealing with the legal issues and they have given us 3 days before they are forced to take anymore action.”

Since then, the Z-Cult FM trackers haven’t been operating as the admins try to sort out the legal issues. In the first instance, Marvel Comics demanded that Z-Cult FM respond to their demands within 3 days which they have been trying to do. However, the staff concerned at Marvel went off on their Thanksgiving break and were unavailable to discuss anything with the Z-Cult FM admins.

Additionally, Marvel has been demanding certain files from Z-Cult FM - files they don’t have, admin ‘Serj’ told TorrentFreak:

“Z-Cult pointed out that we do not in fact hold any of the files that Marvel have demanded we provide to them. If Marvel understood how BitTorrent works, they would realize this.”

Having been let down by Marvel’s lack of interest in meeting their own deadlines and their apparent refusal to recognize that US law isn’t valid worldwide, ‘Serj’ continues:

“Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America. In view of the pressure from Z-Cult’s 70 000+ members, all comic fans, and as Marvel have not been available to discuss the matter, Z-Cult has decided to restart the trackers.”

Z-Cult is very keen to point out how they try to work with copyright holders to help them protect their interests. Serj explains how the system works:

“Z-Cult has a clear posting on the site that says it will remove postings on request (with a modicum of proof of ownership), and in fact has already done so in a number of instances. Indeed, some companies, such as Slave Labor Graphics and Hack/Slash, having previously requested removal of their material later relented, acknowledging the role the site has in growing readership and fandom.”

Indeed, SLG Publishing seem very pleased with Z-Cult FM, and are giving Z-Cult support during these difficult times by giving permission for fans to upload and share their comics legally on the tracker.

A statement from SLG reads:

To the members of Z-Cult:

SLG publishing would like to thank the moderators and forumers of Z-Cult for the respect they have shown in regards to our ban request. Obviously, our preference is to have each comic legally paid for, and the efforts undertaken to honor this desire have clearly shown that Z-Cult is not a forum overrun by those expecting a free ride. In return, we have decided to lift the ban from our independently published titles being distributed on Z-Cult. Of course, this is not an entirely selfless act - we hope that exposure to our large library of titles will help encourage support of our legal download site, www.eyemelt.com. It is our belief that there is a market for legally downloadable comic books, and we hope that we can prove this to the comics industry by showing success through our our digital distribution system.

Unfortunately we cannot lift the ban on any SLG/Disney titles, for reasons that should be obvious. These titles are limited to: The Haunted Mansion, Tron, Gargoyles and Wonderland. Our apologies for being unable to allow sharing on these particular titles.

For those of you who took the time and effort to report and remove our material, and particularly to those who undertook the process of re-uploading your torrents over and over without complaint, thank you.

SLG Publishing

Serj finishes up with a big ‘thank you’ to SLG Publishing for their support:

“We would like to thank SLG for working with us rather than against us and hope this is the beginning of a new way for our users to enjoy the comic books of other publishers.”

Rest assured we’ll keep regular readers and comic fans updated on this story as it develops.

Previously: Movie Director Uses BitTorrent as Lawyers Chase Those Downloading His Movie

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70 Responses

1 Nov 24, 2007 at 17:19 by Kev!n

I’m not sure if the Marvel and DC excecs learned anything from the whole battle between music companies and their fans. In the end, music big corporates became the Anti-Christ to many people and, apparently, comic book companies plan to do the same. The big difference between comic book download and music download, that comic fans do indeed buy the books they like. These comic book companies should have considered this before striking a place that is “home” to many of us.

2 Nov 24, 2007 at 17:59 by Starwhite

When and if, thats a BIG IF, they figure out how P2P works, they will ask for the ‘offending links’ to be removed. Obviously they belive the actual files are being stored there, as the above article points out, not so! Listing the lin ks anyway does not violate the US laws, since they are not applicable outside of the US without cooperation from other countries…so its up in the air I guess.

3 Nov 24, 2007 at 18:03 by Spartacus

I download Digital Comics
I Read Digital Comics
I buy Real Comics
I buy Comics I discovered by reading Digital Comics.
I love Z-Cult
I Support Z-Cult
Z-Cult has a strong community of members from all over the world.
WE don’t like Marvel
We will like DC if they grow some balls and stop playing “monkey-see, monkey-do” with marvel and stand on their own two feet.
Marvel does not care about their fans
marvel cares about money
marvel still owes jack kirby much $
marvel will never get another dollar from me.
I love SLG
I will spend the money I am saving from not buying marvel and dc books with slg and other small companies.
SLG rocks.
Zcult rocks
Scanners rock
Our community rocks…..
But
Marvel SUCKS!!!

I, am spartacus !!!!

4 Nov 24, 2007 at 18:22 by heh

This is good news.

And good luck to SLG :)

5 Nov 24, 2007 at 18:32 by True Religion

Impressive!

6 Nov 24, 2007 at 18:41 by Free Pirate Allaince

good, i wish you luck

7 Nov 24, 2007 at 18:46 by 321

It’s good to see that they aren’t folding under the pressure and it’s nice to see that one comic company is at least supporting their efforts.

8 Nov 24, 2007 at 18:47 by TD123

[quote comment="222722"]good, i wish you luck[/quote]

QFT

9 Nov 24, 2007 at 19:46 by Trinity

I must admit; Z-Cult has 1 pair of hard rock bowling balls (pun intended). Marvel has 1 pair of ping pong balls (much pun intended.

10 Nov 24, 2007 at 19:53 by Tom Baker

I use to like you Marvel. You’ve gone to the dark side of the force. Marvel needs some wine and cheese and just take a nice vacation. Stop being greedy Marvel. Your getting plenty of royalties from all those comics to movies being released from the last few years. Now back to me jellybabies. Yummy for my tummy!

11 Nov 24, 2007 at 20:03 by loci

the comic industry was on the endangered list but thanks to careful breeding programs by the likes of z-cult, it is once again thriving.

don’t push it dc/marvel…you are biting the hand that feeds you

12 Nov 24, 2007 at 20:19 by Flooperman

Where is Superman when you need him?

13 Nov 24, 2007 at 20:22 by Carpet licker

[quote comment="222777"]the comic industry was on the endangered list but thanks to careful breeding programs by the likes of z-cult, it is once again thriving.

don’t push it dc/marvel…you are biting the hand that feeds you[/quote]
You tell em loci.

14 Nov 24, 2007 at 20:33 by Stranded on the toilet bowl :(

I’m in London now at the train station at gate 1: Men’s restroom. I’m writing this from my cellphone hoping someone can get me some paper or a roll of toilet paper. I’m stuck on this seat until I can properly get my arse cleaned. 20 euros to the first person to help me. If not thanks anyways for reading. My last resort will be scotland yard or interpol. Oh yeah Marvel and DC are a bunch of smegheads. Those non wicked bastards can’t wait five months to buy another new car. Hey Marvel/DC stop copying the anti pirate organizations you lousy greedy diarrea eating bastards. Come down here and clean my arse. Its starting to smell bad. :(

15 Nov 24, 2007 at 20:46 by bittrucker

I’m very disappointed in you Marvel/DC. You make me puke. A slow economy means that comic book sells will also slow down too. Man, these companies are getting greedy by the minute. And someone please help out “stranded on the toilet bowl”. I would hate being stuck on the toilet bowl. Especially in a public one. I’d help you man but I live in the US. Good luck dude.

16 Nov 24, 2007 at 20:52 by Zoness

I don’t think the big boys Marvel and DC will learn from the music/movie industry situation…asking for that is already asking too much.

Thumbs up to companies like SLG for wanting support from the bittorrent community. When you have a group of dedicated fans at places like Z-Cult FM good things can happen.

17 Nov 24, 2007 at 21:33 by Stranded on the toilet bowl

Never mind now. Some young man ended up going to the womens bathroom and got me some nice toilet paper. And he got 20 euros. It feels great having a clean arse again. Thank you bittrucker for your help.

18 Nov 24, 2007 at 21:41 by Puck

Kiss my black Frenchy azz Marvel and DC. Your revenues will definitly drop without the support of any Bit Torrents. SLG I’ll be showing you more of my hard earned money.

19 Nov 24, 2007 at 22:00 by bittrucker

[quote comment="222829"]Never mind now. Some young man ended up going to the womens bathroom and got me some nice toilet paper. And he got 20 euros. It feels great having a clean arse again. Thank you bittrucker for your help.[/quote]
No prob. Us men like having clean a$$es. Well at least most of us do anyways.

20 Nov 24, 2007 at 23:02 by David

Makes on sense for marvel or DC to protest. If you like a comic you have to buy it. Reading a good comic on a computer screen is just wrong. Why can’t they understand that?

21 Nov 25, 2007 at 01:11 by Marty

[quote comment="222889"]Makes on sense for marvel or DC to protest. If you like a comic you have to buy it. Reading a good comic on a computer screen is just wrong. Why can’t they understand that?[/quote]

ummmm..guess you haven’t read the above posts or anything else that’s going on….you’re entitled to your opinion, but you obviously have no idea as to why some of us do this and what the benefits of having done so have been….

i quit comics for 5 years until zcult. i started buying again, and increasing titles as i found more titles i liked that i NEVER would have looked at or bought. most of us buy the books we read online. reading books in this format has helped increase comic sales, if anything….

22 Nov 25, 2007 at 01:32 by Squeak

Besides, all you anti-pirates, haven’t you ever heard the words “out of print”? Piracy is keeping some sub-cultures alive!

23 Nov 25, 2007 at 02:00 by Dave (comic fan)

Digital comics are nothing like holding a real comic so I don’t know why these companies are so bothered. It just allows people to find out about new comics, kinda like reading them on the bookshelf in a store.

I thought they would be happy with the exposure especially with more interactive media such as tv and video games getting all the attention these days.

Attacking your fans never has a happy ending.

24 Nov 25, 2007 at 02:34 by David

Looks like I wasn’t clear. I will have to start proof reading:) My point was that most people who like a comic they downloaded, would probably buy it, because it’s no fun reading it on a screen. So the comic companies are shooting themselves it the leg.

25 Nov 25, 2007 at 06:16 by Reader

To Marvel:
Marvel comics purchased before discovering them on BitTorrent: 0
Marvel comics (to date) purchased after finding them on BitTorrent: 32 (and counting)

To DC:
DC comics bought before finding them on BT: 0
DC comics bought after: 1 (and counting)

26 Nov 25, 2007 at 07:12 by Al Koholic

[quote comment="223160"]To Marvel:
Marvel comics purchased before discovering them on BitTorrent: 0
Marvel comics (to date) purchased after finding them on BitTorrent: 32 (and counting)

To DC:
DC comics bought before finding them on BT: 0
DC comics bought after: 1 (and counting)[/quote]
The cost of this precious info: Priceless.

27 Nov 25, 2007 at 07:28 by Hangover my hammies

Thank you Z-Cult FM for standing up against Marvel/DC. Much props to ya’ll! They might try to sue you, but they won’t win. There case isn’t strong enough without some hefty evidence to which there isn’t any. Hey Marvel/DC my rectum is calling and it would like to give you a long brown Christmas present. Remember you can’t open til the 25th while it stinks up your mansions you greedy old pricks. Long live Z-Cult FM! There only guilt is to help promote Marvel/DC comics. Hey Marvel/DC there are fight club members near your homes too. They can’t wait to poisen your meals the next time you go out to eat. Also I’ll be adding my huge lugi spit too in your meals you money whores.

28 Nov 25, 2007 at 07:31 by hiro81

Good to hear. I’m not even sure if my membership is active anymore, but I read a few things thanks to the Z-Cult in my day. I always thought they had a good community over there, and it’s a shame to see the comic book company so blindly pursung “lost” profits instead of recognizing what a wonderful opportunity they have with this community to forge lasting bonds with customers and build their base in a rapidly shrinking marketplace (print media is all but dead and if these media dinosaurs want to survive they’ld better start embracing the technological changes as rapidly as their youngest customers do otherwise they will find themselves utterly destroyed by the new media, and there is no two ways about it). Big tip ‘o the hat to all the admin at Z-Cult for weathering the storm, thinking of their members rights, and fighting the good fight. :D

29 Nov 25, 2007 at 07:39 by hiro81

If you are a Marvel customer and would like to let them know just how far off-base they are here I’d suggest emailing jeff_klein@dkcnews.com …this is the only email address I found for media relations on their webpage, so that must be it. Let’s fill up that inbox folks!

30 Nov 25, 2007 at 07:47 by Al Koholic

[quote comment="223199"]If you are a Marvel customer and would like to let them know just how far off-base they are here I’d suggest emailing jeff_klein@dkcnews.com …this is the only email address I found for media relations on their webpage, so that must be it. Let’s fill up that inbox folks![/quote]
I with you hiro81. Let the spaming commence! >:)

31 Nov 25, 2007 at 07:49 by Anonymous

[quote comment="223199"]If you are a Marvel customer and would like to let them know just how far off-base they are here I’d suggest emailing jeff_klein@dkcnews.com …this is the only email address I found for media relations on their webpage, so that must be it. Let’s fill up that inbox folks![/quote]
LOL! Thanks hiro81. This poor dude is about to get lit up like the 4th of July.

32 Nov 25, 2007 at 07:54 by Puck

Mr. Jeff Klein I would like to introduce you to Mr. Spam. Say hello to my little friend.

33 Nov 25, 2007 at 08:01 by Darth Maul's half brother

At last we will reveal ourselves. At last we will have revenge.

34 Nov 25, 2007 at 08:06 by Darth Sidious

Wipe them out. All of them.

35 Nov 25, 2007 at 08:11 by Big Bird & Oscar the grouch

[quote comment="223199"]If you are a Marvel customer and would like to let them know just how far off-base they are here I’d suggest emailing jeff_klein@dkcnews.com …this is the only email address I found for media relations on their webpage, so that must be it. Let’s fill up that inbox folks![/quote]
Thx for the info hiro81. My troops are standing by. Will start our surprise attack shortly. Buwhhahahahah

36 Nov 25, 2007 at 08:16 by Cartman

Emailing jeff_klein@dkcnews.com will be hella sweet! My charged up BFG is ready to unload. Marvel and DC hella suks.

37 Nov 25, 2007 at 08:21 by Dou Key Schick

Did someone say spam? Hehehe

38 Nov 25, 2007 at 08:39 by bittrucker

Get your newspaper! Get your newspaper! Read all about it! jeff_klein@dkcnews.com having a spam party! All you can eat spam for free. All night through the early dawn. Bring lots of spam. Free and open to the public. Spam spam and more spam. Host of this party loves spam. Cooked, fried, bolied, grilled, raw are all welcome. Come one come all. >:)

39 Nov 25, 2007 at 10:01 by pwned

Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America.
Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America.Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America.Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America.Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America.Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America.

brilliant

40 Nov 25, 2007 at 10:11 by Carpet licker

I don’t like the regular spam. I prefer the reduced fat kind. So I’ll send DC and Marvel my regular spam.

41 Nov 25, 2007 at 10:14 by Need a straw for my Dew

I use to have a BFG gun. It was cool. I’ll just stick to the old Mp5 with the extended clips. Bye bye Marvel/DC. Bubuhuhuhahahaha

42 Nov 25, 2007 at 10:28 by Santa with a goa tee

No soup for you Marvel-DC. You’ve been a bit naughty lately haven’t you.

43 Nov 25, 2007 at 11:03 by roDENT

Hey Z-Cult FM comics,
good job, thanks for standing up. Honestly, I think you might have a chance. There have been people outside of the US prosecuted for file sharing, but I think they are mostly sceners.
And SLG: your market support is much appreciated. I myself do not read comics, at least not for now, but I can easily forsee myself collecting them on a small scale - exactly like books, and somewhat like music; those treasures, those gems of the genre which I love, I am more than proud to go out and buy.
I makes me feel all warm and tingly - no, wait … It makes me feel all cool and powerful! I OWN this (copy of this) book/comic; it is MINE (the copy is).

Anyway, thanks.

44 Nov 25, 2007 at 11:29 by Anonymous

Does anyone know of a Torrent tracker that replaces Oinks Audiobooks section. Oink had a thriving audiobook community as well as all the other genres. I’d love to find some kind of tracker that could rival that of Oink/audiobooks.

45 Nov 25, 2007 at 13:17 by Why Worry?

There is no way, and I mean no way people can stop ANYONE from scanning a damn comic book! I mean, C’mon its not like ripping a movie or an MP3, y’know what I mean? AmIRite people? Marvel and DC are now hated like the MPAA and RIAA. I gave up comics because of the high cost. I started reading them again online. However, if I read a title I really really like I might buy it, like an ongoing series. If i were these big companies i certainly would not want to piss off any people buying these, after all a three year old can scan a piece of paper…they have very little protection. They’re dinosaurs. I imagine they want to create an online site like Zcult with HUGE fees, like Itunes maybe, 99 cents a page, we take all major credit cards! bend over and we can get richer!

46 Nov 25, 2007 at 14:39 by Rad

Marvel just opened its own online comics archive service for like $5.99 per month, which is probably the primary motivator for this action.

While they probably cared before, now they have a competing service

http://www.marvel.com/digitalcomics/

[quote]
Instant access over the web (no need to download)
Highest-quality images available online
Discover new comics and old favorites
Tons of milestone events and long runs
New additions every week
Not ready to sign up for Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited?
[/quote]

47 Nov 25, 2007 at 15:08 by M

Marvel’s own digital comic store actually seems like a brilliant idea. If the rumours are true and Marvel is really going to put nearly all their production onto that store they’ll be earning my money for sure. The quality is excellent and the price isn’t too bad either. Only waiting for the first record company to follow on this right path…

48 Nov 25, 2007 at 15:08 by Anonymous

[quote comment="222843"][quote comment="222829"]Never mind now. Some young man ended up going to the womens bathroom and got me some nice toilet paper. And he got 20 euros. It feels great having a clean arse again. Thank you bittrucker for your help.[/quote]
No prob. Us men like having clean a$$es. Well at least most of us do anyways.[/quote]

49 Nov 25, 2007 at 15:22 by none

id never been intereasted in comics untill i downloaded a few, now a year later and im buying more than a couple a week, PROOF that file sharing does encourage sales if the product is worthy

50 Nov 25, 2007 at 15:23 by artbooks

can find artbooks an comics here http://random-stuff-08.blogspot.com/

51 Nov 25, 2007 at 18:43 by sean

You guys are idiots.
You’re breaking the law and costing Marvel/DC (and the smaller independent comic companies) money.
If they cant make money from comics, then they will stop making comics and then we all lose.

At least acknowledge that you’re doing wrong, dont try and justify it or demonize Marvel/DC for your crime.

52 Nov 25, 2007 at 19:46 by P2P fulfills people's perceived needs

[quote comment="222777"]the comic industry was on the endangered list but thanks to careful breeding programs by the likes of z-cult, it is once again thriving.

don’t push it dc/marvel…you are biting the hand that feeds you[/quote]

Sean:
If I bought the comic, its mine. If I choose to share it with my online friends it ought to be my decision. I resent you calling me and my frieds here ‘idiots’. And yes, some laws are wrong and meaunt to be changed. Ever hear of the boston tea party? Millions and millions of people globally use P2P. Why is that? The people have spoken. There is a need they are filling. No greedy corporate monster runs my life. I will often thesedays see a comic online, download a few issues, and go out and buy or subscribe to the title becuase of sites like Z-cult.

53 Nov 25, 2007 at 20:05 by Justin

[quote comment="223629"]You guys are idiots.
You’re breaking the law and costing Marvel/DC (and the smaller independent comic companies) money.
If they cant make money from comics, then they will stop making comics and then we all lose.

At least acknowledge that you’re doing wrong, dont try and justify it or demonize Marvel/DC for your crime.[/quote]

Without “pirating” things like music, movies or comics online, I wouldn’t have bought even half of the things I have. P2P lets me experiment and try out new things, without the risk of paying for something I otherwise wouldn’t want. As long as filesharing lives, I’ll be spending more of my $$ to companies that otherwise wouldn’t see a dime from me.

54 Nov 25, 2007 at 20:23 by nosurprise

Why do they care if people download scans of comics from the 70s/80s/90s that they don’t publish and are out of print!? Great for historical research. I have discovered comics I read in the late 70s/early 80s which I had to download a whole torrent and go thru issue-by-issue to figure out which ones I had read. I could understand if these comics were in print now and I didn’t buy them at Books-A-Million because I downloaded them, but even a lot of graphic novels from this period are out of print.

55 Nov 25, 2007 at 20:29 by sean

[quote comment="223672"]
Sean:
If I bought the comic, its mine. If I choose to share it with my online friends it ought to be my decision. I resent you calling me and my frieds here ‘idiots’. And yes, some laws are wrong and meaunt to be changed. Ever hear of the boston tea party? Millions and millions of people globally use P2P. Why is that? The people have spoken. There is a need they are filling. No greedy corporate monster runs my life. I will often thesedays see a comic online, download a few issues, and go out and buy or subscribe to the title becuase of sites like Z-cult.[/quote]

[quote comment="223686"]
Without “pirating” things like music, movies or comics online, I wouldn’t have bought even half of the things I have. P2P lets me experiment and try out new things, without the risk of paying for something I otherwise wouldn’t want. As long as filesharing lives, I’ll be spending more of my $$ to companies that otherwise wouldn’t see a dime from me.[/quote]

Whether laws need to be changed (in your opinion), they are still legally binding and you have to be aware that you’re doing wrong. There is no way you can argue out of that.

I’m not stupid and i know people will bend and break laws, but i really get annoyed when law breakers blame the companies their ripping off for trying to protect their products.

How would you like it if i came to your work place and stole whatever you manufactured. I bet you would take precautions to stop it happening. I think the word i’m looking for is hypocrisy.

56 Nov 25, 2007 at 20:42 by another one

dissapointment is very high

57 Nov 25, 2007 at 21:49 by Dark Planet

“Whether laws need to be changed (in your opinion), they are still legally binding and you have to be aware that you’re doing wrong. There is no way you can argue out of that.”

Tell that to the Woman in Saudi Arabia who is getting 200 whiplashes by court order after being gang-raped. It’s the applicable law over there for lascivious behaviour, so if we follow your line of thinking, this must be the right thing to do, because it’s legally binding and we can’t argue our way out of that, correct?

58 Nov 26, 2007 at 00:57 by P2P fulfills people's needs

Sean Wrote: Whether laws need to be changed (in your opinion), they are still legally binding and you have to be aware that you’re doing wrong. There is no way you can argue out of that.

I’m not stupid and i know people will bend and break laws, but i really get annoyed when law breakers blame the companies their ripping off for trying to protect their products.

How would you like it if i came to your work place and stole whatever you manufactured. I bet you would take precautions to stop it happening. I think the word i’m looking for is hypocrisy.

Sean: Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America.

Marvel & DC comics are nothing more than Souless, greedy, evil corporations sheltering their most precious in all the World, everyone else’s money. Their product is overpriced. If the charged a FAIR market value their product would not be pirated as much. Read this Sean: FACT: Prior to the advent of P2P the comic book industry was bottoming out in bankrupcy. P2P has given them FREE advertising, captivating a whole new generation. Marvel simply copied Z-cult in Flash 9, naively thinking this format cannot be copied. I have looked at their copy cat site. They stole the idea for their site from P2P or Z-cult. MAYBE we should sue them for their lameness? However, this generation is different. If we buy the comic, AGAIN, its ours…if WE the people choose to share it, we will. AGAIN Sean: Sharing is NOT STEALING. If I legally buy a product and share with my friends it should be my choice.

59 Nov 26, 2007 at 04:57 by Steve

Even tho Marvel & DC et all have the right to protect their material, They ripped me off 25 years ago on a piece of artwork that they used. I couldn’t do anything of course. Happily I was there when Phil Seuling was fighting for independant distribution and saw the hell he put up with to get us that freedom. Sadly I was there when Marvel pulled the plug on us. The only good thing was that my friend Steve Geppi got the remains. The first show I did was 40 years ago, I guess you can say I have retired now, never got a gold watch tho. I couldn’t afford to buy any comics now as it is. My thanks to Zcult for allowing me to keep my hand in it for just awhile longer.

60 Nov 26, 2007 at 05:35 by ZefnoK

[quote comment="223759"]“Whether laws need to be changed (in your opinion), they are still legally binding and you have to be aware that you’re doing wrong. There is no way you can argue out of that.”

Tell that to the Woman in Saudi Arabia who is getting 200 whiplashes by court order after being gang-raped. It’s the applicable law over there for lascivious behaviour, so if we follow your line of thinking, this must be the right thing to do, because it’s legally binding and we can’t argue our way out of that, correct?[/quote]

Fuckin’ A, bubba, Fuckin’ A.

61 Nov 26, 2007 at 06:13 by Capt. Picard

[quote comment="223759"]“Whether laws need to be changed (in your opinion), they are still legally binding and you have to be aware that you’re doing wrong. There is no way you can argue out of that.”

Tell that to the Woman in Saudi Arabia who is getting 200 whiplashes by court order after being gang-raped. It’s the applicable law over there for lascivious behaviour, so if we follow your line of thinking, this must be the right thing to do, because it’s legally binding and we can’t argue our way out of that, correct?[/quote]
[quote comment="223865"]Sean Wrote: Whether laws need to be changed (in your opinion), they are still legally binding and you have to be aware that you’re doing wrong. There is no way you can argue out of that.

I’m not stupid and i know people will bend and break laws, but i really get annoyed when law breakers blame the companies their ripping off for trying to protect their products.

How would you like it if i came to your work place and stole whatever you manufactured. I bet you would take precautions to stop it happening. I think the word i’m looking for is hypocrisy.

Sean: Contrary to popular belief, United States’ laws are not, in fact, applicable outside America.

Marvel & DC comics are nothing more than Souless, greedy, evil corporations sheltering their most precious in all the World, everyone else’s money. Their product is overpriced. If the charged a FAIR market value their product would not be pirated as much. Read this Sean: FACT: Prior to the advent of P2P the comic book industry was bottoming out in bankrupcy. P2P has given them FREE advertising, captivating a whole new generation. Marvel simply copied Z-cult in Flash 9, naively thinking this format cannot be copied. I have looked at their copy cat site. They stole the idea for their site from P2P or Z-cult. MAYBE we should sue them for their lameness?

However, this generation is different. If we buy the comic, AGAIN, its ours…if WE the people choose to share it, we will. AGAIN Sean: Sharing is NOT STEALING. If I legally buy a product and share with my friends it should be my choice.[/quote]
After viewing these comments I would have to agree.

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63 Nov 27, 2007 at 22:52 by Mitan

Personally I don’t read comics, but my boyfriend is a collector. What he does is he still buys, just not opening them, that’s the time when he would download to read. In the end, nothing lost right? He paid for them..

64 Nov 30, 2007 at 09:45 by Shingo

According to their forums Z-Cult has also removed Marvel and DC comics. By request of those publishers.

The site will stay up, but they arrent sure of their future.

65 Dec 04, 2007 at 19:23 by Anon

RIAA and MArvel/DC deserve to have their comics stolen right out from under them because of the complete CRAP storylines they force on their fans. Look, if I buy a 2.99 pamphlet, I expect a story worth that price, not some arbitrary bullshitadvertisement filled piece of soap-opera trash novella spinoff with sections that don’t apply to the characters which I’m trying to enjoy. The same with teh RIAA, if they didn’t put out CRAP they wouldn’t have this priacy issue. The problem in both industries is that there are no epic events happening, therefore their products cannot “sell themselves” in the eyes of the consumer. This leads to over advertising shitty products, piracy due to lack of enthusiasm… etc etc. I’m sure that the high prices in other ares of peoples lives contribute to the problems alos. In short, 2.99 is still 2.99 and when I buy something like say… CIVIL WAR (and tie-in), or SILENT WAR… or I don’t wanna look back on my purchase and say “What the hell did I spend my money on?? That was CRAP!!”

-Furthermore, how can someone sit and read comics on their computers for hours, especially something the length of a graphic novel, such as the Secret Wars saga?? Isn’t that were the comic companies make most of their money anyways, through the collections??

66 Feb 03, 2008 at 03:39 by DCnomore

I would like to let DC know you better do something. What about people that live in areas with right now NO bookstores and no comic purchase places available for several months. I have been an avid reader since 70s. Also hello what if you have no Credit Card. Not everyone believes in plastic

67 Jul 04, 2008 at 09:53 by DOR'G

I m a very big fan of dc and marvel comics n since i m have not been able to acquire a lot of comics through the regular supply here which is done through gotham comics … one of my friends suggested i should download comics from here .. as this gives a very wide range of comics to download from… i would b very glad if someone could tell me how … as most of us here r comic lovers plz consider my response as a SOS call ha ha ha .. later my e mail add is dorjieegem78@gmail.com

68 Jul 29, 2008 at 19:15 by Anonymous

I use comic downloads to see if book is worth buying. Zooming in and out of a cbr file is not my idea of an reading a series. Nothing beats lounging with a comic book for a relaxation but those bastards (esp. Marvel) are too greedy like all moguls out there.

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