I'm not against all the things you have stated, but the line about criminals sounds too much like "The law is always right" which is a great sore point for me and can get me raving mad, and cause me to over-react because I deal with too much crap in our "free" society.

And for movies? They want HD to catch on? How about $20 Bluray, $10 DVD. They seem to think they can get away with double that and they have stooped to influencing lawmakers to price fix their products.

Was Robin Hood a criminal? What about the Americans who revolted against England?
Weren't they "criminals"? What about the Jews in Nazi Germany? Weren't they "criminals"? The law can be mindless and sometimes the public needs to stand up to corruption.

Only one of the greatest sources of corruption, using legislation to protect a monopoly by illegalizing everything else and only allowing neutered versions of some medications to increase profits…

And while copywriting material in and of itself is fine, the DMCA is a violation to the whole public, and contradicts the Fair Use Act. There's no reason I should have to put in my disc when I want to watch this, or listen to that if I bought that material and the Fair Use act was at least a middle ground. The DMCA is nothing but Corporate fat-cats buying our Legislature.

Absolutely mindless.I'm sure some king in the past used the same argument but that kind of reasoning doesn't fly anymore. That's why the police are extremely unpopular as they run around enforcing laws that no voters ever approved and only serve to generate revenue for shady polititians and corporate campaign contributers while causing nothing but chaos for the public. Your line of reasoning is basically asking for corruption.

And I'm an American and NOT A LIBERAL. I'm simply a realist.

LAWS ARE THERE ONLY TO BE BROKEN SO LETS BRAKE THEM WHO CARES.

THIS ZIPPY CLIENT IS JUST A PAIN IN THE BACK SIDE BUT IT STILL DOESNT STOP WHAT WE ARE DOING, SO SCREW THEM!!

YES I KNOW IV USED CAPS BUT IV ONLY JUST NOTICED AND I CANT BE ASSS TO RE-TYPE THIS OUT

Thanks Peer Guardian!!!!

— 239.255.255.250 ping statistics —
4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

some extreme IPs like that can only be seen on internal networks (LAN) and thus if you block it, you block NOBODY in real life, while other IPs might belong to innocent people Media Defender wants taken down, so they fake the IPs.

you morons, didn’t you ever stop to think they would kill two birds with one stone?

The dumb fools can’t even see that piracy sells more games than the sales it prevents.

I own hundreds of legitimate CD’s, DVD’s and games. I know at least 60% of them, If I had not seen them first though “PIRACY”, I wouldn’t have ever payed money for them. And would be very bored, with a tiny DVD/CD collection.

That’s WELL OVER £1000 ($2000) worth of media that piracy actually helped to sell. Without it, the industry would be a grand down, cus I would never buy things based on the cover! There’s far too much crap for sale to do that!

Time to get real people.

Argh, your trollness is annoying. Piracy is illegal, there’s little doubt. But mayhaps we consider something here: There are plenty of people who download torrents, like the game/app, and subsequently buy it. The number is not very large, but note that those who don’t purchase the game/app probably never would anyway.

I’ll give you an example: There is a game that I wasnt’ sure about. It had wishy-washy reviews, and being a teenager with no job (and too busy to get one), my resources must be conserved and properly coordinated, as they are incredibly limited. So to test out said game, I download it on, say, the pirate bay for example. I like it, it’s a fantastic game. I want to play it against others online, and to do so, I need to buy the game. And thus, I do.

Without the service of the torrent download, the game would’ve never been purchased. The company would’ve made ~$50 less, and I’d be bored playing some other random game.

All in all, I suggest you stop being such a troll and find something else to do. Cry about it on Youtube, run around on some conservative warmonger website calling foul, yell at some liberals for being too intelligent for you. And when you’re done playing with the children, come back and have a meaningful discussion.

Liberal, by the way, does not infer criminality or general maliciousness. Liberal, generally that is, refers to a person that believes in less traditional ways of thought and less traditional ways of doing things. We’re talking about the people that ended the slave trade, the people that ended Jim Crow, the people that attempt to stop climate change, the people that think sexual orientation shouldn’t be a discriminating factor.

In short; I have a cool new idea that changes the traditional old crappy idea. I R LIBERAL. End of story. If you don’t like it, have a constructed, well thought out discussion of it. This is the marketplace of ideas; if you don’t like my idea, and you’d prefer to be an asshat troll rather than someone who wants to add a new perspective to the discussion, go back to preaching to the choir. Otherwise, welcome to the real world.

The moment you break the law, you are a criminal, liberal. And yes, you can put a copyright on a sequence of 1′s and 0′s, just as you can on a sequence of letters, words, etc.

You’re a typical anti-american liberal, and your ideology shows. Everything you’ve said is 100% incorrect. How about I steal your car? I mean, after all, you can’t put a copyright on an arrangement of atoms, can you?[/quote]

Sure, you can copyright an arangement of atoms, but i’m sure you wouldn’t mind so much if I made an exact copy of the atoms in your car, and left the original one exactly the same, afterall when you download something off the internet, you are not really taking anything, as the original copy of the game / software still exists, and has just been copied for your use. Basically downloading something off the internet is a large scale version of swapping game/software disks with a friend, or recording a film off the tv.

It’s because you all know I’m right.
You just want to download illegally, so you pretend that morals don’t come into play.[/quote]
Climb down of your horse and learn something.
Who said downloading anything via BitTorrent was illegal, where in the world does such a rulling exist.
Fact, it is not illegal to offer something for download, it must be proven that at least 1 complete download took place.
The tiny bit of each bit in a torrent is an unrecognisable number#, so until and only if an individual supplies all the bits to 1 other individual does it become illegal.
The above never occurs using the BitTorrent protocol.
Also it is not illegal to download a backup copy of something you already own.
So to throttle such is making one huge presumption, which I’ll refute by saying the majority are downloading as a backup to the original they already own.
OK prove me wrong, my argument is no more presumptuous and flawed as that of the MPAA and their overpaid cronies!
Now how about someone sues the media companies for illegally encrypting DVD’S CD’S etc, thereby trying to deny people their legal right to make a backup.
Bottom line is it’s all about $$$$$$$$ and greedy corporate inbreds wanting more, along with overpaid over-rated lawyers trying to justify their existence.

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1269374/7772348/

Holy shit, do you really believe such pretentious bullshit? Since your heart bleeds so much for the poor and downtrodden, why do you spend so much time in a fantasy land of movies and games? Why aren’t you in Africa feeding the hungry?

I’m going to go to Putt Putt Golf and protest the war by enjoying a good game of mini golf. Right….Then afterwards I’ll watch the new Simpsons movie and ‘protest’ something else.

Fucking morons.[/quote]

Mmhmm. Now out of all these posts, you find HOW many using the word “protest” in ANY context..? You might want to watch that blood pressure of yours, Mr. Apoplexy.

@ Jai: A couple of points come to mind:

1) If the price for CDs is set by the market, how come the music industry titans all settled a LARGE class-action lawsuit (initiated by Tower Records). To quote The Daily Texan, “Bertelsmann Music Group Inc., EMI Music Group Inc., Warner Elektra Atlantic Corp., Sony Music Entertainment Inc. and Universal Music Group Inc. were accused of preventing retail outlets, such as Best Buy, from selling discounted music.” They settled for over $67 million. So price-fixing is moral and legal, eh?

Here’s another way to look at the price of CDs and DVDs. Audio cassette and VHS video tapes are nearly always less expensive, no? Well, why? They have moving parts and must be ASSEMBLED by a person or robot (CDs/DVDs are stamped en masse by a press). In addition, they have a lower demand/circulation, which should drive prices HIGHER as production becomes more expensive (economies of scale).

Thing is, if I go buy an audio cassette, it’s generally 2/3 the price of the CD. Hmmmmmm… If all the cost overhead is in the licensing, as the RIAA/MPAA claim, how come the more-expensive-to-manufacture medium costs LESS?

- The “liberal media” is a fiction; it’s a boogeyman used to scare the conservative base and to explain why right-wing leaders’ peccadilloes and gaffes appear on every news outlet. Tell me how Fox News and MSNBC are sooo liberal, for example; I’ll laugh in your face.

Personally, I DO think piracy is illegal but I also DO NOT CARE. After getting burnt by EULAs that state that by opening the package (so I can READ the damn thing) I’ve accepted all of its terms and conditions, well, @%$&!

Oh, and the classic, “If you disagree with any of these terms or conditions, do not install/use this product but instead return it immediately to the point of purchase for a full refund.” The hell..?! There isn’t ONE retailer that will take opened software or movies as a return unless damaged physically, and then they’ll only exchange for the same title.

The RIAA and MPAA both need to learn that if you enrage your customer base for long enough, you WILL pay the price.

ziptorrent:75.160.0.0 – 75.175.255.255
ziptorrent:208.109.0.0 – 208.109.255.255
ziptorrent:78.129.136.0-78.129.136.255
ziptorrent:78.129.137.0-78.129.137.255
ziptorrent:83.142.224.0-83.142.224.255
ziptorrent:87.117.251.0-87.117.251.255

What we observe in all of this is the normal reaction of those who have reached the limit of endurance, wrought and imposed upon them by a corporate-capitalist society, by the state, and resulting in a counter-economic movement. It is not liberal, it is libertarian. That you don’t know or recognize the difference is not surprising.

Pirating may be illegal, but as others have suggested, illegality is an imposition of its own against the freedom of the marketplace to decide what it will and will not endure. As Thoreau put forth, “Law never made man a whit more just; and by means of their respect for it, even the well disposed are daily made agents of injustice.”

These corporations and the general media benefit by profiting off the backs of market producers. Off the artists who create. Off the average fellow who they employ and market their wares too. Off the imposition of an ever bloated and collusive bureaucracy whose interest is increasingly aligned with its corporate bedfellows. All to the demure, disgust, and disdain of the remainder of us who are compelled to become criminal, by the mere definition of statists like yourself, yet we bring about and establish a precedence that will affect your own personal freedoms into the future–as much as you seem vested in the opposite.

What we see here is the Agorist depiction of counter-economics at work. A revolution … a *market* revolution … that rejects unsound statism (as it views all such things as inherently unsound), undermining it to the benefit and freedom of everyone. It exists because, as H.L. Mencken explains, “Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.”

The market–the real free market–operates and will continue to do so for as long as the state exists. Samuel Konkin elaborates with, “… the more decadent (statist) the capitalism, the more virulent the reaction and the larger the Counter-Economy.”

Hence, the popularity of illegal torrents and pirating of movies, music, and games–among other things–are a natural and expected, even thankful reaction to the decadency of the corporate marriage to the state, both operating in the name of interfering with the freedom and plundering the pockets of the average person.

You should be cheering your fellows, not scolding them, because in irony, they are the ones bringing you freedom–if you are to rely on the state to pronounce as much for you, you will be waiting a very long time, indeed.

“Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found the exact amount of injustice and wrongdoing which will be imposed on them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” –Frederick Douglass

Media Defender is lame. Thanks for slightly annoying me

EPIC FAIL