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		<title>By: AFACT v iiNet: Tiny Bits of BitTorrent Transfers Aren’t Illegal @ blog.idtorrent.org</title>
		<link>/afact-v-iinet-barrister-tears-into-iinet-key-witnesses-091110/#comment-618198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AFACT v iiNet: Tiny Bits of BitTorrent Transfers Aren’t Illegal @ blog.idtorrent.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (multiple links to all our earlier coverage can be found here, here, here and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: AFACT v iiNet: Tiny Bits of BitTorrent Transfers Aren’t Illegal &#8211; FUCK THE RIAA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AFACT v iiNet: Tiny Bits of BitTorrent Transfers Aren’t Illegal &#8211; FUCK THE RIAA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (multiple links to all our earlier coverage can be found here, here, here and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: AFACT v iiNet: Tiny Bits of BitTorrent Transfers Aren’t Illegal - P2P Talk?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AFACT v iiNet: Tiny Bits of BitTorrent Transfers Aren’t Illegal - P2P Talk?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (multiple links to all our earlier coverage can be found here, here, here and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: AFACT v iiNet: Safe Harbor Protection Intact, Says iiNet @ blog.idtorrent.org</title>
		<link>/afact-v-iinet-barrister-tears-into-iinet-key-witnesses-091110/#comment-616712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AFACT v iiNet: Safe Harbor Protection Intact, Says iiNet @ blog.idtorrent.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (multiple links to all our earlier coverage can be found here and here and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: www.torrentkid.com</title>
		<link>/afact-v-iinet-barrister-tears-into-iinet-key-witnesses-091110/#comment-615912</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[www.torrentkid.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[forget this all piracy problem and Enjoy downloading torrentkid is better and new tracker]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forget this all piracy problem and Enjoy downloading torrentkid is better and new tracker</p>
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		<title>By: AFACT v iiNet: Safe Harbor Protection Intact, Says iiNet &#124; InstantIdiocy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AFACT v iiNet: Safe Harbor Protection Intact, Says iiNet &#124; InstantIdiocy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (multiple links to all our earlier coverage can be found here and here and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: AFACT v iiNet: Safe Harbor Protection Intact, Says iiNet &#124; We R Pirates</title>
		<link>/afact-v-iinet-barrister-tears-into-iinet-key-witnesses-091110/#comment-615453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AFACT v iiNet: Safe Harbor Protection Intact, Says iiNet &#124; We R Pirates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (multiple links to all our earlier coverage can be found here and here and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: United Hackers Association</title>
		<link>/afact-v-iinet-barrister-tears-into-iinet-key-witnesses-091110/#comment-615295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[United Hackers Association]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is all a sham
in the end Australia YOUR PWNED by the copyright industry cause your filtered and your controlled

are you not descendants of a prison colony YEA lets put them back in there cages 

thats what Hollystupid has done to Australians]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is all a sham<br />
in the end Australia YOUR PWNED by the copyright industry cause your filtered and your controlled</p>
<p>are you not descendants of a prison colony YEA lets put them back in there cages </p>
<p>thats what Hollystupid has done to Australians</p>
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		<title>By: AFACT v iiNet: Judge Asked To Disregard iiNet Evidence @ blog.idtorrent.org</title>
		<link>/afact-v-iinet-barrister-tears-into-iinet-key-witnesses-091110/#comment-615279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AFACT v iiNet: Judge Asked To Disregard iiNet Evidence @ blog.idtorrent.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The trial continues in the copyright infringement case of AFACT – representing several Hollywood studios – and Aussie ISP iiNet (links to our earlier coverage can be found here) and here. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: wf</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since we are missing reasoned-neo-beakz, I will play devil&#039;s advocate.

I have also used the &quot;Smith &amp; Wesson&quot; analogy and argued about highways full of get-away cars.  Unfortunately, such comparisons break down when companies like iiNet and TPB fail to act as common carriers.

A common carrier would not pry into the usage of their network at all so that they maintain plausible deniability.  However, in TPB case and now again in the iiNet case, the prosecutors simply show how the companies arbitrarily police their network as it suits their purpose.  For example, TPB would take down warez if users complained about viruses.  Now we hear how iiNet established ToS that allowed them to ban users without a court order.  It&#039;s like Kazaa claiming they couldn&#039;t control their network and then pushing a forced SW update to all their users.

Going back to the S&amp;W analogy, imagine if S&amp;W refused to sell guns to gang members but happily provided arms to postal workers.  Then suppose a clerk shoots up a post office.  S&amp;W gets hauled into court and tries to claim they can&#039;t control what customers do with their guns.  No.  Sorry.  S&amp;W lost the right to make that claim when they demonstrated they COULD and DID exercise judgment but chose not to in some cases.

Likewise, TPB and iiNet want to claim &quot;safe harbor&quot; as &quot;common carriers&quot; that are not responsible for the actions of their users.  At the same time TPB and iiNet actually do police their users except when it would benefit the RIAA/MPAA.

These companies tie their own noose if they do any policing at all and still try to claim &quot;safe harbor&quot;.  This is why iiNet will lose this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we are missing reasoned-neo-beakz, I will play devil&#8217;s advocate.</p>
<p>I have also used the &#8220;Smith &amp; Wesson&#8221; analogy and argued about highways full of get-away cars.  Unfortunately, such comparisons break down when companies like iiNet and TPB fail to act as common carriers.</p>
<p>A common carrier would not pry into the usage of their network at all so that they maintain plausible deniability.  However, in TPB case and now again in the iiNet case, the prosecutors simply show how the companies arbitrarily police their network as it suits their purpose.  For example, TPB would take down warez if users complained about viruses.  Now we hear how iiNet established ToS that allowed them to ban users without a court order.  It&#8217;s like Kazaa claiming they couldn&#8217;t control their network and then pushing a forced SW update to all their users.</p>
<p>Going back to the S&amp;W analogy, imagine if S&amp;W refused to sell guns to gang members but happily provided arms to postal workers.  Then suppose a clerk shoots up a post office.  S&amp;W gets hauled into court and tries to claim they can&#8217;t control what customers do with their guns.  No.  Sorry.  S&amp;W lost the right to make that claim when they demonstrated they COULD and DID exercise judgment but chose not to in some cases.</p>
<p>Likewise, TPB and iiNet want to claim &#8220;safe harbor&#8221; as &#8220;common carriers&#8221; that are not responsible for the actions of their users.  At the same time TPB and iiNet actually do police their users except when it would benefit the RIAA/MPAA.</p>
<p>These companies tie their own noose if they do any policing at all and still try to claim &#8220;safe harbor&#8221;.  This is why iiNet will lose this case.</p>
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