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	<title>Comments on: Anti-Piracy Group Issues Veiled Threats To ISPs</title>
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		<title>By: Crash</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How should the safe harbour thing be conditional on the ISP doing certain things?
&#039;We won&#039;t shoot you; the messenger, provided that you do X, Y and Z for us.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How should the safe harbour thing be conditional on the ISP doing certain things?<br />
&#8216;We won&#8217;t shoot you; the messenger, provided that you do X, Y and Z for us.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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AFACT refer to the Federal Court iiNet judgment which noted that ISPs should take steps when it is proven that a subscriber is infringing copyright,
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Proving that a subscriber is infringing means that the matter has been tried in court. Should that be a civil court, where proof is simply that something is more likely than not; or a criminal court, where proof must be &#039;beyond a reasonable doubt?

More likely though when AFACT talk of &#039;proof&#039;, they just mean an unsubstantiated allegation.

Oh yes, I don&#039;t remember when it became an &#039;obligation&#039; for ISPs to do AFACT&#039;s dirty work for them. That&#039;s what the iiNet case was all about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUOTE<br />
AFACT refer to the Federal Court iiNet judgment which noted that ISPs should take steps when it is proven that a subscriber is infringing copyright,<br />
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<p>Proving that a subscriber is infringing means that the matter has been tried in court. Should that be a civil court, where proof is simply that something is more likely than not; or a criminal court, where proof must be &#8216;beyond a reasonable doubt?</p>
<p>More likely though when AFACT talk of &#8216;proof&#8217;, they just mean an unsubstantiated allegation.</p>
<p>Oh yes, I don&#8217;t remember when it became an &#8216;obligation&#8217; for ISPs to do AFACT&#8217;s dirty work for them. That&#8217;s what the iiNet case was all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Dilly</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem AFACT has is that the government is now effectively siding with the ISPs after their largest ISP refused to implement blocks no matter how trivial they are to evade  and effectively put the blame onto AFACTs ;lobbying of the government in the first place.

Rightly in my book, by pointing out that net users are being radaicalised by such censorship attempts and is what has given rise to Anonymous and Lulzsec and the resultant attacks on Aus and worldwide govs and corporations and that the aussie ISPs are in fear of infrastructure attacks.

The letters to ISPs are a last roll of the dice by a discredited organisation (bearing in mind 2 of its global counterparts are already facing fraud charges).

AFACT has turned on the ISPs because the aussie government is no-longer listening to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem AFACT has is that the government is now effectively siding with the ISPs after their largest ISP refused to implement blocks no matter how trivial they are to evade  and effectively put the blame onto AFACTs ;lobbying of the government in the first place.</p>
<p>Rightly in my book, by pointing out that net users are being radaicalised by such censorship attempts and is what has given rise to Anonymous and Lulzsec and the resultant attacks on Aus and worldwide govs and corporations and that the aussie ISPs are in fear of infrastructure attacks.</p>
<p>The letters to ISPs are a last roll of the dice by a discredited organisation (bearing in mind 2 of its global counterparts are already facing fraud charges).</p>
<p>AFACT has turned on the ISPs because the aussie government is no-longer listening to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnnymac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ISPs Agree to Punish Suspected Copyright Infringement &#8211; International Business Times &#124; Headline News Room</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ninja</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ninja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reply: &quot;Or else what? You are gonna sue us and fail again like with iiNet? Bring it!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply: &#8220;Or else what? You are gonna sue us and fail again like with iiNet? Bring it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Flying Dutchman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flying Dutchman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;AFACT are giving the ISPs seven days to respond to their letter, while promising “unspecified action” should they chose not to.&quot;

In other words; Coöperate, OR ELSE...!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AFACT are giving the ISPs seven days to respond to their letter, while promising “unspecified action” should they chose not to.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words; Coöperate, OR ELSE&#8230;!</p>
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