Oh well, the song is s**t anyway. Hopefully the rest of the albums better

For brevity I’ll try to keep the following as simple as possible;

How is it that TF can call on bittorrent site insiders for information on users for the purposes of initiating a private investigation?

Which BitTorrent site is storing initial seed information and for what purpose?

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I’d be surprised if you didn’t recognise some concerning implications surrounding these questions.

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mate im referring to a mod at demonoid who abuse thier power
power corrupt all, corrupt obsolutely

shit mate im referring to a mod at demonoid who abuse thier power
power corrupt all, corrupt obsolutely

first of all since you state in your above mentioned reply “it’s about your users. ” let me restate the content of my usual disclaimer: I’m not a spokesperson for any website. All I say or do publicly under my handle kdsde I do in my capacity as an interested netizen that obviously infringes copyrights like many others too and NOT on behalf of TPB, its owners or any other website!

second, I find it insulting that you claim you know what I like to believe.

Unless you are the operator of the little marcian chip in my brain you certainly can not know anything about my believes.
You claiming otherwise is very arrogant I think.

Regarding the substance of your reply:

I can absolutely not see any insolence in the fact that I mention some basic design facts about the bittorrent system/protocol and what someone that want to use it to do stuff that is currently deemed illegal should observe as prerequesite before starting his “pirate career”.
If you were already aware of the “flaws” in BT and the stuff I mentioned, then excuse that I repeated something you alreay knew!

For one thing (other then you) do I know nothing about your believes or your knowledge regarding specific topics.
So If you are one of those strange people that consider it insulting or think it borders on insolence when someone repeatedly tells them something they already know, then your feelings are simply misplaced.
For another thing even if I had positive knowledge about your state of experience/knowledge regarding BT, I a) never consider the repeating of Information as a subtextual insult to the intelligence or learning capability of the persons I speak too (teachers have a habit to repeat stuff over and over again, so excuse me) and b) I wrote my answer not only with you as reciever in mind but every other guy that reads the comments here that might not be aware of the flaws of BT so far too.

You wrote:
“What happened here between TorrentFreak and [unnamed website] was an abuse of power made able by an unnecessary data retention policy.”
How do you come to that conclusion?
First of all, Ernesto wrote “With some help of a user in the community, we tracked down some of the initial seeders of the torrent. A BitTorrent site insider was kind enough to help us out, because BitTorrent is not supposed to be “abused” like this, and confirmed that the IP of one of the early seeders did indeed belong to the person who uploaded the torrent file.”

I don’t see any “abuse of power” here: I (in my capability as a pirate, not as MOD of a torrentsite using MODtools) can for example run an RSS feed on new uploads that my Client will automaticly fetch. Voila, I get the IP of the first seeder served on a silver plate from the tracker right the moment the torrent becomes public. Telling god and the world this infos would be “abuse of power” in what way? Btw, antip2p outfits operate exactly the same way. They call this fancy “early leak detection”.
You have any information that Ernesto got his data in any other way then described right now?

you further wrote:
“Authorities can do exactly the same thing with your data against anyone, why hand it to them on a plate?

This is just my opinion. Do what you want to do, of course. I just know that if I were in the position of operating an equivalent public service I like to think I would be taking seriously the privacy of the userbase, above and beyond that of my own desires.”

What I read in the first sentence framed as a question is that you imply that someone is handing authorities data on a plate.
Can you backup that “accusation” or do you just want to spread FUD?!
(Of course if you were refering to someones ISP here and not to “[unnamed website]” then you are right of course and not a FUD spreader. And I excuse myself for accusing you of being one!)

With your following sentences about your knowledge I read from them that you want to imply that someone that is operating a tracker does NOT take the privacy of the userbase seriously!

As said I’m not a spokesperson for any tracker, but what I know from publicly know stuff is that for example the biggest tracker TPB had all their servers stolen by police some time ago now, and NOT one of the users seems to have gotten in trouble with police as a result of that “server leak”. So I guess it is safe to beleive what the owners of TPB stated that they do not have logs of uploaders.
What I on the other hand know from a “semi private” Tracker named oink is that uploaders got in trouble after the server was leaked into police hands.
Now as pointed out earlier such an incident must NOT mean that they had logs and that there was something going on that you like to call “abuse of power”. It could simply mean that the BPI did exactly what everybody can do in the BT system namely grabbing the IP of the first uploader from the freely touted out swarm infos!

But given your other statements regarding “exploiting their ignorance”, “useful idiots” and the fact that you don’t particularly agree with one of the core advises that scorekeeper gave the readers of these comments, I guess it is safe to say you just wanted to spread FUD or just besmirch “[unnamed website]” with your posts.

You know some of what you’re talking about. Enough to make yourself dangerous, especially to yourself.

AS TO THIS NEXT COMMENT, HOWEVER YOUR HEAD IS SO FAR UP YOUR ASS, YOU ARE ABLE TO ENJOY AN UP CLOSE VIEW OF LAST NIGHT’S DINNER.

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@ #47 : Whether those logs are good as evidence or not is another matter, but with enough cash they can at least make you spend a whole lot of time on defending yourself and trying to get your lawyer costs back. Mission accomplished.

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KEEP FEEDING YOURSELF ALL THE FEEL GOOD PROPAGANDA YOU WANT.

I really get a chuckle over how many torrent users think the law, the facts, and the system will continue to protect them. Hahaaha.

First, as far as my own personal interests are concerned, since your lawyer wont be a public defender, and your legal trouble won’t be taken out of my taxes, that ends any reason I have to care about what you do.

Second, NO, IT IS NOT “ANOTHER MATTER”. Given your habits, you should take about 1 hour of your remaining time on earth to review what constitutes admissible evidence. Business records kept in the course of normal business affairs are used at trial every day. This is an evidentiary rule applied in any jurisdiction using US law.

All a half-ass trial lawyer needs to do is lay an evidentiary foundation. If you want an idea how that will happen, go review the court’s ruling against Google/
Yahoo, and see for yourself. Logs
are discoverable, and once they are turned over, bye bye to all privacy.
You’ll get to try to win the Jammie Thomas Sweepstakes yourself!

Third, you wont get your lawyer’s fees back. Do you actually expect to show, once your data is revealed by logs, that the case against you is in BAD FAITH? That’s the standard
you are up against. Harsh, but there it is.

Fourth, you aren’t any more secure than your weakest link, and the weak link you have, is you have to log on to use the internet. Never
mind the soon-to-be squealers who, begging for leniency, will turn over their own torrent evidence during plea negotiations. Or as soon as the court puts a contempt order in front of their face.

Fifth, in general, disruptive behavior gets about a decade of mostly FREE lunch on the law. It takes that much time for the law to catch up and weave itself into a position of trustworthy enforcement.
To date, primitive defenses have hung up content owners. Courts are hesitant to crack down on abuses of new technology, until the legal community feels that enough warning and notice has circulated. In the years ahead, 2008 will be viewed as the turning point in this framework.

You guys just don’t believe it, yet.
And really, why should you? One thing about getting away with something for so long. You become convinced you’ll never get caught.

Whether that’s a safe assumption going forward, you’ll have to decide for yourself.

Cut to the chase. The prosecutions being planned have a far different degree of accuracy than anything you’ve seen to date. If you think content owners are just going to let the copyright mayhem continue, well then, as I said before, KEEP FEEDING YOURSELF ALL THE FEEL GOOD PROPAGANDA YOU WANT.

I’ll be back at this site, same time next summer, and we’ll enjoy a little more bonding then. Or maybe not, as you may be court-barred from getting online ever again. The ISPs are not going to eat the costs of liabilities for infringement. Because of the stakes at play, the whole movement ahead has already been planned and plotted.

I guess to some, that makes me a manipulative idiot. By all means, enjoy that accusation. It wont help get you out of trouble, but it may provide some level of comfort as you carry on with illegal behavior.